TITLE EDIT - Turkey is Now Cooked .... and Ready for Fundy Dinner

[RW]

It's too bad, Turkey was a great place to visit. Particularly before Erdogan started on a path of an Islamic society incrementally.

Note cc, my comment was in response to Herman's comment about Turkey being a great place to visit in past tense.  I simply stated that I have family who has been there recently and still found it enjoyable even after Erdogan being in power since 2003.  I know you don't like it when I challenge dumbass comments but you of all people should be used to it by now.  I mean you've been ducking and weaving them for years.

[RW]

http://abcnews.go.com/International/us-troops-turkish-air-base-highest-force-protection/story?id=40634670">ABC NEWS - U.S. Troops at Turkish Air Base on Highest Force Protection Level



U.S. troops at Turkey's Incirlik air base were at the highest force protection level, known as "condition Delta," after power was cut off at the base and the Turkish government closed the airspace around the site in the hours following a foiled military coup attempt, a U.S. official told ABC News today.



Turkish officials told ABC News they believe Turkish planes docked at Incirlik Air Base took part in Friday night's coup attempt, which is why the site is locked down.



Turkey allows the United States to use the air base for operations associated with its air campaign against ISIS in Iraq and Syria.



There are 2,200 U.S. personnel in Turkey, including 1,500 stationed at Incirlik.

Wouldn't be the first time the US military has been in the dark.

[cc]

Wouldn't be the first time you've missed / slid around the point like a Rohammed ( lately ONLY  that is)



There, that's it - You earned that, and  that is as far as I choose to go



Now for Important Stuff:



What gives with you of late? Spewing constant personal insults every time someone posts something you don't wish to hear.



 I will not stoop to issuing insults in return so it's a one-way fight of yours alone - don't expect me to play that game with you



What the hell is going on with you of late? The insults don't stick on me at all, but they are very unbecoming of you



Please just stop it. You are a lot better than that.

[RW]

Wouldn't be the first time you've missed / slid around the point like a Rohammed ( lately ONLY  that is)

You slide around damn near anything where the answer isn't "Islam is evil".  You've bee doing it for years.

There, that's it - You earned that, and  that is as far as I choose to go



Now for Important Stuff:



What gives with you of late? Spewing constant personal insults every time someone posts something you don't wish to hear.



 I will not stoop to issuing insults in return so it's a one-way fight of yours alone - don't expect me to play that game with you

You mean like calling me "Rohammed" repeatedly?  :001_rolleyes:

What the hell is going on with you of late? The insults don't stick on me at all, but they are very unbecoming of you.  Please just stop it. You are a lot better than that.

The stupidity gets to me after a while. You, et al, regurgitard media talking points and can't rise to any real challenge.  You just want to post nasty shit about Islam ad nauseum and think it will go without challenge.  I can't sit by and let this shit go uncontested.



You sit there while you and Herman insult the shit out of Romero but if I pipe up, I'm supposedly better than that?

[cc]

OK, OK. I'll say you are not better than that.



Happy now?

Fuck off

done





EDIT - OK. I'll bite. Where did that last post go to??? WTF is going on here?

[Anonymous]

On the serious side, I'm very sad for Turkey .... have been for the last several years as it  has gone progressively more and more fundy ... despite rather strange assurances from RW's family that it a great place.



Especially sad is that this has played right into the wannabe khaliph's hands. He is now "cleansing" secular minded opposition in military ... and worse in the judicial and legislative  systems at a greatly accelerated rate  .. using this as the convenient excuse "to secure the people from harm" .... end result being he is now rapidly guarantying a permanent hard core islamist run country



A majority of its people seem to be on board with that as they voted islamist in the last 2 elections

Meanwhile, the Welfare Party finished first in a close national election, and Erbakan became the country's first Islamist prime minister in 1996. With his rhetorical cannons firing away, he declared Turkish politics a pitiful imitation of the West and announced a campaign for worldwide Muslim solidarity. He overreached. After 12 months, the military forced him to resign.



There had long been differences between the younger party leaders, who came to be known as the modernists, and Erbakan and his men -- whom they called the Politburo. When Erbakan was ousted and subsequently banned from politics, the modernists had their opening. But first they had to withstand the legacy of Erbakan's radical provocations of the establishment, a crackdown that would pave the way for Erdogan's rise.



In December 1997, the Welfare Party sent Erdogan to a political rally in southeastern Siirt, an impoverished, religious district where his wife's family originated. On that day, as he had several times before, he recited a quatrain by Ziya Gokalp, an ideologue of Turkish nationalism:



 ''The mosques are our barracks,/the domes our helmets,/the minarets our bayonets,/ and the believers our soldiers.''

The guy who as mayor said "" ''Democracy is like a streetcar. When you come to your stop, you get off" ...  http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/11/magazine/the-erdogan-experiment.html?pagewanted=all">http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/11/magaz ... wanted=all">http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/11/magazine/the-erdogan-experiment.html?pagewanted=all  ...  now has the last obstacles out of the way to  change the constitution to protect fundamentalism instead of secularism



He's now able to step off the streetcar (democracy) - The Khaliph has arrived



Ataturk's 100 year old secular constitution with its built in military protection for secularism is gone, it is totally dead now .. in large part made easy because the population has steadily become much  more fundamentalist



One more step / win for islamic fundamentalism that has been markedly on the rise for a couple of decades now "everywhere" throughout the world ....



and yes, I said and meant "everywhere"

I have spent a lot of time in Turkey pre Erdogan and since he first became pm. Anyone that says there are no differences is blind or full of shit. If you are an Islamist, you like the changes. If you are modern secularist, you are deeply worried.

[Anonymous]

Some things I read this morning about Erdogan.



The government threat of further crackdowns raised concerns over the future of democracy in Turkey, which has long prided itself in its democratic and secular traditions despite being in a tumultuous region swept by con ict and extremism.



Before the weekend's chaos, Turkey — a NATO member and key Western ally in the fight against Islamic State — had been wracked by political turmoil that critics blamed on Erdogan's increasingly authoritarian rule.



He has shaken up the government, cracked down on dissidents, restricted the news media and renewed fighting with Kurdish rebels

[Anonymous]

I watched on the news that the Turkish president wants to bring back the death penalty for those involved with the coup attempt.

 

[Anonymous]

Some things I read this morning about Erdogan.



The government threat of further crackdowns raised concerns over the future of democracy in Turkey, which has long prided itself in its democratic and secular traditions despite being in a tumultuous region swept by con ict and extremism.



Before the weekend's chaos, Turkey — a NATO member and key Western ally in the fight against Islamic State — had been wracked by political turmoil that critics blamed on Erdogan's increasingly authoritarian rule.



He has shaken up the government, cracked down on dissidents, restricted the news media and renewed fighting with Kurdish rebels

That's just the tip of the iceberg. A failed coup is what every would be authoritarian wants to consolidate his grip on the nation.

[Anonymous]

The new British Foreign Secretary, Boris Johnson, is not your typical politician.

Boris Johnson has won a £1,000 prize for a rude poem about the Turkish president having sex with a goat.



The former mayor of London's limerick, published by the Spectator as a rebuff to Recep Tayyip Erdoğan's efforts to prosecute a German comedian's offensive poem, also calls the president a "wankerer".



Johnson, a former editor of the magazine, won the Spectator's "President Erdoğan offensive poetry competition", despite judge Douglas Murray saying the contest had received thousands of entries. The prize money has been donated by a reader.



The limerick was written off-the-cuff by the Conservative MP during an interview with the Swiss weekly magazine Die Weltwoche.



Johnson – whose great-grandfather was Turkish – called it "a scandal" that a German court had granted an injunction to prevent comedian Jan Böhmermann repeating his offensive skit about the Turkish president.



Johnson then offered the limerick: "There was a young fellow from Ankara, Who was a terrific wankerer.



"Till he sowed his wild oats, With the help of a goat, But he didn't even stop to thankera."



The former mayor is reported to be surprised that his efforts were officially entered into the competition.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/19/boris-johnson-wins-most-offensive-erdogan-poem-competition">http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... ompetition">http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/19/boris-johnson-wins-most-offensive-erdogan-poem-competition

[Twenty Dollars]

I remember the night of the so called coup. This is what I saw on CNN. I know nothing of that country, nor do I care to. A bunch of over weight Muslim men with shiny sweaty foreheads running around like they knew what was happening. Judging by their actions. No one had a clue. Then to hear Erdogon speak a few days later. Screaming, yelling, pointing the finger. Sounds like the guy has lung cancer. Turkey must be some cool place? The whole thing looked like more of a joke than the Republican Convention. Never really knew any Turks.  I do rember Solotso the Turk in the God Father. A sketchy  two faced character.

[Anonymous]

I remember the night of the so called coup. This is what I saw on CNN. I know nothing of that country, nor do I care to. A bunch of over weight Muslim men with shiny sweaty foreheads running around like they knew what was happening. Judging by their actions. No one had a clue. Then to hear Erdogon speak a few days later. Screaming, yelling, pointing the finger. Sounds like the guy has lung cancer. Turkey must be some cool place? The whole thing looked like more of a joke than the Republican Convention. Never really knew any Turks.  I do rember Solotso the Turk in the God Father. A sketchy  two faced character.

Turkey was a powerful empire. They are critically important to Western security. Islamists would like nothing better than to see this militarily powerful sunni majority nation lose all of it's secular character.



And so you know; the character from the Godfather that you mentioned was an Italian-American, not a Turk. :001_rolleyes:

[Anonymous]

I remember the night of the so called coup. This is what I saw on CNN. I know nothing of that country, nor do I care to. A bunch of over weight Muslim men with shiny sweaty foreheads running around like they knew what was happening. Judging by their actions. No one had a clue. Then to hear Erdogon speak a few days later. Screaming, yelling, pointing the finger. Sounds like the guy has lung cancer. Turkey must be some cool place? The whole thing looked like more of a joke than the Republican Convention. Never really knew any Turks.  I do rember Solotso the Turk in the God Father. A sketchy  two faced character.

That is a lot of stupidity packed in this post.

[Twenty Dollars]

I remember the night of the so called coup. This is what I saw on CNN. I know nothing of that country, nor do I care to. A bunch of over weight Muslim men with shiny sweaty foreheads running around like they knew what was happening. Judging by their actions. No one had a clue. Then to hear Erdogon speak a few days later. Screaming, yelling, pointing the finger. Sounds like the guy has lung cancer. Turkey must be some cool place? The whole thing looked like more of a joke than the Republican Convention. Never really knew any Turks.  I do rember Solotso the Turk in the God Father. A sketchy  two faced character.

Turkey was a powerful empire. They are critically important to Western security. Islamists would like nothing better than to see this militarily powerful sunni majority nation lose all of it's secular character.



And so you know; the character from the Godfather that you mentioned was an Italian-American, not a Turk. :001_rolleyes:

You're right. He immulated a Turk.

[Twenty Dollars]

I remember the night of the so called coup. This is what I saw on CNN. I know nothing of that country, nor do I care to. A bunch of over weight Muslim men with shiny sweaty foreheads running around like they knew what was happening. Judging by their actions. No one had a clue. Then to hear Erdogon speak a few days later. Screaming, yelling, pointing the finger. Sounds like the guy has lung cancer. Turkey must be some cool place? The whole thing looked like more of a joke than the Republican Convention. Never really knew any Turks.  I do rember Solotso the Turk in the God Father. A sketchy  two faced character.

That is a lot of stupidity packed in this post.

Hey you cheesy fool. Go cook your cheesy Kraft Macaroni and cheese. A real gourmet. I'll move on for now.