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As Pot Prices Plunge, Growers Scramble To Cut Costs

Started by Anonymous, January 17, 2017, 04:32:52 PM

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Pot aint the cash crop it once was.
QuoteThe increasing supply of legal marijuana is turning into a major buzz kill for growers as prices plunge -- and an opportunity for companies that can help cut production costs.



Prices are tumbling as formerly illicit cultivators emerge from the shadows to invest millions of dollars in massive pot factories. In Colorado, the average price sought by wholesalers has fallen 48 percent to about $1,300 a pound since legal sales to all adults started in January 2014, according to Cannabase, operator of the state's largest market. Supply is surging as growers expand and install the latest agricultural technology.



"Anybody that is investing in this sector or starting a business in this sector needs to be doing so with the understanding that the price of cannabis is going to drop precipitously," said Troy Dayton, chief executive officer of Oakland, California-based Arcview Group, a marijuana investor consortium.



The focus on efficiency can cut production costs for some indoor growers to less than $300 a pound from more than $1,000, said John Chandler, vice president at Urban-Gro in Lafayette, Colorado. His company sells machinery originally developed for tomato greenhouses, such as automated feeding and watering systems from Israel's Netafim Ltd. and France's Dosatron International.



"If you want to compete on a price game, you have to use versions of our technology to do it," Chandler said. "Everybody is putting in irrigation systems, so that's good for us."



Urban-Gro also sells high-efficiency lights from Canada's PL Light Systems, which compete with Gavita, a Dutch company purchased this year by Scotts Miracle-Gro Co. Scotts has been on a buying frenzy over the past two years, gobbling up leading companies that provide specialty fertilizers, lighting and other supplies for hydroponics, the indoor method of growing crops favored by U.S. cannabis cultivators.



Retail prices also are dropping, though not as fast as in the wholesale market. Marijuana shops in Colorado collected an average $6.61 per gram in November, down 25 percent from the first quarter of 2014, according to BDS Analytics, a research firm.



The regulated market in North America could triple to more than $20 billion in five years, from $6.7 billion last year, after California, Maine, Massachusetts and Nevada legalized adult recreational pot use in November, according to Arcview. Canada's plan to legalize marijuana this year also will contribute to the growth, Arcview said.



One caveat surrounding the booming cannabis industry is President-elect Donald Trump's choice for attorney general, Senator Jeff Sessions of Alabama, an ardent marijuana foe. But it remains to be seen if Trump or the Republican-controlled Congress will attempt to challenge the states that have legalized the drug.



While more than half of U.S. states permit medical use, transporting cannabis across state lines remains a federal crime, making each state a market unto itself. That means growers in cloudy coastal Oregon or frigid Maine must use technology to create the warm, sunny conditions favored by pot plants, and they need to do it as efficiently as possible.



Seeking Sunlight



Decades of prohibition necessitated growing marijuana in clandestine basements, warehouses and garages, making growers comfortable with indoor production, said Leif Olsen, managing partner at Denver-based Good to Great Consulting. But with legalization comes an increasing need to compete on cost, and that will eventually shift the industry to efficient greenhouse production, he said.



"Growing inside is definitely an antiquated concept," Olsen said. "It's coming out of hiding."



A hybrid greenhouse featuring insulated walls and a glass ceiling may consume less than half the energy of a warehouse, said Brandy Keen, vice president at Boulder-based Surna Inc. And a well designed climate-control system can cut energy needs while also providing pure water for plants with reclaimed condensate, she said.



That's enough space to pump out 1,700 pounds of buds monthly from dozens of custom-bred strains such as Dirty Girl and Cinderella's Dream, up from 100 pounds (45 kilograms). He also can process 2,200 pounds of purchased marijuana into cannabis oil and other concentrates for vaping.



Automation Key



While Lade increased production by 16 times, his employee count is up only four-fold, to 100, thanks to economies of scale and automation, he said. A machine mixes soil ingredients, pours the dirt into containers and then digs holes for young plants. A conveyor belt carries the container to an employee who does the delicate job of planting. Rather than relying on people to trim away leaves and stems from harvested pot, he's trying out machines that automate the job.



"If you want to provide cannabis to your people, you've got to adapt or die," said Lade, 40. "We are basically just going way bigger and then adding efficiencies like the machines and computer software."



Energy-efficient Gavita lighting is installed in his old and new facilities. Computerized plumbing delivers custom-mixed nutrients to the plants. A climate-control system supplied by Surna not only maintains ideal pot-growing temperatures and humidity levels, but also helps eliminate mold problems, Lade said.



A hospital-clean environment with employees wearing uniforms washed on premises cuts down on plant pests.



"The cleaner you can be, the less chemicals you have to use," Lade said.



Yet Lade knows he can do more to cut costs, specifically by building a hybrid greenhouse to capture light from the sun. That's not a good option in perpetually overcast Washington, so he's exploring the possibility of setting up shop in sunny Nevada or California, states where recreational use was approved in November.

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RW

Thee should be no chemical use.



These mass growers are going to fuck it up.
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Anonymous

Quote from: "RW"Thee should be no chemical use.



These mass growers are going to fuck it up.

Nobody is forcing you to buy commercial pot.

RW

What does my purchasing habits have anything to do with mass production problems which will include the use of fertilizers and pesticides?
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Anonymous

Quote from: "RW"What does my purchasing habits have anything to do with mass production problems which will include the use of fertilizers and pesticides?

I use fertilizers and pesticides on my farm and I do not even grow weed[size=50] anymore.[/size]

RW

Quote from: "Herman"
Quote from: "RW"What does my purchasing habits have anything to do with mass production problems which will include the use of fertilizers and pesticides?

I use fertilizers and pesticides on my farm and I do not even grow weed[size=50] anymore.[/size]

Good on ya!  That's how it should be if you can manage it.



Also when you're talking about a product that you can't wash and it is incinerated in many cases, pesticides should be a huge no no.
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Anonymous

I hope all the profit is mass produced right out of marijuana production..



It's a crop we can do without.

RW

Quote from: "Fashionista"I hope all the profit is mass produced right out of marijuana production..



It's a crop we can do without.

It should be treated with the same standards and rules as any other medicine IMHO.
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@realAzhyaAryola

Nothing yet has happened to me that requires me to consider medical marijuana. I'm telling you, I've never ever tried that stuff yet...not yet...hehe. I hope I will never have a need but we all grow old eventually and some things will not work any more.
@realAzhyaAryola



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RW

It kind of bugs me when people shit on weed.  I have been on SOOOOO many drugs these past few years and it is not the worst of them by any stretch of the imagination.  I don't know why I would want to be taking addictive narcotics that aren't as effective over eating a brownie or vaping a bowl.  Weed has worked really well and it's not chemically addictive and doesn't have a host of NASTY side effects.



I make no apologies for using marijuana and I those who oppose my use of it can stuff it.
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@realAzhyaAryola

I used to post a lot that I want to try it. Haha! To be quite honest, I'm curious what it's like.
@realAzhyaAryola



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Anonymous

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Quote from: "RW"
Quote from: "Fashionista"I hope all the profit is mass produced right out of marijuana production..



It's a crop we can do without.

It should be treated with the same standards and rules as any other medicine IMHO.

The same medicine that every young blue collar worker takes in a one hitter between breaks.

kiebers

Quote from: "Shen Li"
Quote from: "RW"
Quote from: "Fashionista"I hope all the profit is mass produced right out of marijuana production..



It's a crop we can do without.

It should be treated with the same standards and rules as any other medicine IMHO.

The same medicine that every young blue collar takes in a one hitter between breaks.

And some white collars....just sayin  LOL
I've learned that if someone asks you a really stupid question and you reply by telling them what time it is, they'll leave you alone

Anonymous

Quote from: "kiebers"
Quote from: "Shen Li"
Quote from: "RW"
Quote from: "Fashionista"I hope all the profit is mass produced right out of marijuana production..



It's a crop we can do without.

It should be treated with the same standards and rules as any other medicine IMHO.

The same medicine that every young blue collar takes in a one hitter between breaks.

And some white collars....just sayin  LOL

They need their "medicine" too eh.

RW

Quote from: "Shen Li"
Quote from: "RW"
Quote from: "Fashionista"I hope all the profit is mass produced right out of marijuana production..



It's a crop we can do without.

It should be treated with the same standards and rules as any other medicine IMHO.

The same medicine that every young blue collar worker takes in a one hitter between breaks.

So if people use it for kicks we should lower the growing standards?
Beware of Gaslighters!