Opt Out of the Organ Harvest

[RW]

All French citizens are now organ donors unless they opt out



Every citizen in France has automatically become an organ donor unless they decide to opt out, due to a significant change in the law.



The new rules, which came into effect on 1 January, sees France's policy align with a number of European countries such as Spain and Austria, where "presumed consent" means anyone can become a donor of organs and tissues when they die unless they specifically choose not to.



In France, people will now need to sign up to a new National Rejection Register to ensure they do not become organ donors, which medical teams will check at the time of death before considering organ or tissue removal. A total of 150,000 people have already signed up to the register, according to the Guardian.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/french-citizens-organ-donors-france-opt-out-donation-hospital-healthcare-doctors-a7508576.html">http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 08576.html">http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/french-citizens-organ-donors-france-opt-out-donation-hospital-healthcare-doctors-a7508576.html

I think this is a great idea.  It would really solve the problem of lack of organ donation.

[Frood]

It could also be an underlying factor in a socialized medical system to offer less than optimal health care to those patients considered high cost and low chances of full recovery.



Legislated harvesting is fraught with dangers which I feel will inevitably increase with time.

[Anonymous]

There is a stigma in Chinese culture about organ donation..



On the mainland, they are doing it without the people's consent.

[Frood]

There is a stigma in Chinese culture about organ donation..



On the mainland, they are doing it without the people's consent.

There's also a scientific black cloud over it. Only now are researchers suggesting that life doesn't immediately cease after death. There may be many minutes, hours, or even days between the moment of noted death and detachment from the corpse. They're still looking into it.

[IRISH KAM]

What the french are doing is wrong .



A man should have the choice , whether they want to donate or not .

[RW]

There is a stigma in Chinese culture about organ donation..



On the mainland, they are doing it without the people's consent.

There's also a scientific black cloud over it. Only now are researchers suggesting that life doesn't immediately cease after death. There may be many minutes, hours, or even days between the moment of noted death and detachment from the corpse. They're still looking into it.

What does "detachment from the corpse" mean exactly?

[IRISH KAM]

All French citizens are now organ donors unless they opt out



Every citizen in France has automatically become an organ donor unless they decide to opt out, due to a significant change in the law.



The new rules, which came into effect on 1 January, sees France's policy align with a number of European countries such as Spain and Austria, where "presumed consent" means anyone can become a donor of organs and tissues when they die unless they specifically choose not to.



In France, people will now need to sign up to a new National Rejection Register to ensure they do not become organ donors, which medical teams will check at the time of death before considering organ or tissue removal. A total of 150,000 people have already signed up to the register, according to the Guardian.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/french-citizens-organ-donors-france-opt-out-donation-hospital-healthcare-doctors-a7508576.html">http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 08576.html">http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/french-citizens-organ-donors-france-opt-out-donation-hospital-healthcare-doctors-a7508576.html

I think this is a great idea.  It would really solve the problem of lack of organ donation.

Ya mean like the Chinese have done ?



just look on YT at the amount of Vids , of Chinese getting AIDS cos of their own GOVT .

[Frood]

There is a stigma in Chinese culture about organ donation..



On the mainland, they are doing it without the people's consent.

There's also a scientific black cloud over it. Only now are researchers suggesting that life doesn't immediately cease after death. There may be many minutes, hours, or even days between the moment of noted death and detachment from the corpse. They're still looking into it.

What does "detachment from the corpse" mean exactly?

When does the spirit, our soul, or whatever you want to call it actually leave?



http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/758635/LIFE-AFTER-DEATH-confirmed-gene-expression-afterlife">http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/7 ... -afterlife">http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/758635/LIFE-AFTER-DEATH-confirmed-gene-expression-afterlife



It's like the abortion debate. When does consciousness enter?

[Anonymous]

There is a stigma in Chinese culture about organ donation..



On the mainland, they are doing it without the people's consent.

China needs organs. Since Chinese won't donate, Beijing takes.

[Frood]

There is a stigma in Chinese culture about organ donation..



On the mainland, they are doing it without the people's consent.

China needs organs. Since Chinese won't donate, Beijing takes.

It's what they've done best.

[IRISH KAM]

There is a stigma in Chinese culture about organ donation..



On the mainland, they are doing it without the people's consent.

China needs organs. Since Chinese won't donate, Beijing takes.

They also take the AIDs with it .



Look it up on YT .

[RW]

There is a stigma in Chinese culture about organ donation..



On the mainland, they are doing it without the people's consent.

There's also a scientific black cloud over it. Only now are researchers suggesting that life doesn't immediately cease after death. There may be many minutes, hours, or even days between the moment of noted death and detachment from the corpse. They're still looking into it.

What does "detachment from the corpse" mean exactly?

When does the spirit, our soul, or whatever you want to call it actually leave?



http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/758635/LIFE-AFTER-DEATH-confirmed-gene-expression-afterlife">http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/7 ... -afterlife">http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/758635/LIFE-AFTER-DEATH-confirmed-gene-expression-afterlife



It's like the abortion debate. When does consciousness enter?

So we should base organ donation time on souls?  We don't need those parts any more regardless.

[Frood]

There is a stigma in Chinese culture about organ donation..



On the mainland, they are doing it without the people's consent.

There's also a scientific black cloud over it. Only now are researchers suggesting that life doesn't immediately cease after death. There may be many minutes, hours, or even days between the moment of noted death and detachment from the corpse. They're still looking into it.

What does "detachment from the corpse" mean exactly?

When does the spirit, our soul, or whatever you want to call it actually leave?



http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/758635/LIFE-AFTER-DEATH-confirmed-gene-expression-afterlife">http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/7 ... -afterlife">http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/758635/LIFE-AFTER-DEATH-confirmed-gene-expression-afterlife



It's like the abortion debate. When does consciousness enter?

So we should base organ donation time on souls?  We don't need those parts any more regardless.

There's no we unless people agree with you and 'opt in'.



Either or, death harvesting has straddled birth abortion in the perception stakes.



religious, spiritual, or not.



When does life begin or end? All still up in the air.  More so now even.



For governments to move in on people's organs without express prior consent is an act of animal husbandry and treachery.

[RW]

I'm pretty sure they have a concrete definition of dead.

[Frood]

The jury is still scientifically out.



Read the link and then read between the lines. The medical community still can't agree when life begins, and now, when life ends.