Fully vaxxed U.S. citizens can enter Canada Aug. 9, rest of world Sept. 7

[cc]

I wish people would just let go of that Israel thingy until we see a LOT more stats to support or refute it



I'm amazed we are not getting more stats .. although in general terms Canada said the very opposite ... dramatically the opposite .. like almost no vaccinated getting infected ... but poorly sourced .. then nada since

[Anonymous]

I wish people would just let go of that Israel thingy until we see a LOT more stats to support or refute it

If it's proven wrong, I'll let go of it. I hope that happens.

[Anonymous]

Fully vaccinated makes it better, although I'm waiting on more stats of how vaxx is actually doing vs variants .. So far, not enough data to really know

Israeli data says it's not as effective as first thought. It'll be interesting to see if a third booster will change that.

But, data from Israel also shows it reduces the severity of symptoms.

Even their ability to prevent transmission against variants is not as good as first thought, they are still effective as treatments.

[Anonymous]

Fully vaccinated makes it better, although I'm waiting on more stats of how vaxx is actually doing vs variants .. So far, not enough data to really know

Israeli data says it's not as effective as first thought. It'll be interesting to see if a third booster will change that.

But, data from Israel also shows it reduces the severity of symptoms.

Even their ability to prevent transmission against variants is not as good as first thought, they are still effective as treatments.

I read that link from Israel. It still showed that Pfizer was 64% effective against variants.

[cc]

That's pretty crappy ... will never control an epidemic with that ... key is to reduce spreaders



I don't get it why we are not seeing regular stats - it's easy for govts to do it - they check each case for vaxx status



Dunno why there are none - till I see a few others, I'll not take the Israeli one seriously

[Anonymous]

That's pretty crappy ... will never control an epidemic with that ... key is to reduce spreaders



I don't get it why we are not seeing regular stats - it's easy for govts to do it - they check each case for vaxx status



Dunno why there are none - till I see a few others, I'll not take the Israeli one seriously

C'mon, assuming that number is correct, 64% is helpful.

[cc]

"Helpful" means we are a long way from normal



Again, until we get more stats from others that one is moot to me

[Anonymous]

"Helpful" means we are a long way from normal



Again, until we get more stats from others that one is moot to me

It means nothing to me either. I'm fully vaccinated. I know I got good fucking protection against the rona and the variants.

[Anonymous]

Vaccines are still the best defense we have against vartiants. But, they may need to be tweaked.

[Anonymous]

Vaccines are still the best defense we have against vartiants. But, they may need to be tweaked.

And they will be..



Like cc said, we need more data on vaccines and variants.

[cc]

Here's another flaw in that absurd Israel thingy



It's the only country I track that shows  exactly the same "death / case" rate for past 10 weeks vs. from the gitgo to today ... both rates stuck at 0.75%

That just doesn't wash  



ALL other heavily vaxxed places are way down for recent cases  .. for example:

Canada 1.86% Overall vs. 0.83% Last 10 weeks

BC 1.19%   vs. 0.72%

Alberta 1.00% vs.   0.44%

Quebec 2.98%   vs. 0.64%



So based on their published numbers, Israel is NOT showing better recovery after vs. before all the vaccinations ... everything in that report is horseshit

and in fact even their published official tabulations just don't wash



To assess vax vs. infection and severity, we desperately need some real numbers of "infection and severity" in recent cases in our own country and provinces .. or anywhere  .. . although the "Overall vs. Recent %s" above do tell a positive story in themselves

[Anonymous]

Here's another flaw in that absurd Israel thingy



It's the only country I track that shows  exactly the same "death / case" rate for past 10 weeks vs. from the gitgo to today ... both rates stuck at 0.75%

That just doesn't wash  



ALL other heavily vaxxed places are way down for recent cases  .. for example:

Canada 1.86% Overall vs. 0.83% Last 10 weeks

BC 1.19%   vs. 0.72%

Alberta 1.00% vs.   0.44%

Quebec 2.98%   vs. 0.64%



So based on their published numbers, Israel is NOT showing better recovery after vs. before all the vaccinations ... everything in that report is horseshit

and in fact even their published official tabulations just don't wash



To assess vax vs. infection and severity, we desperately need some real numbers of "infection and severity" in recent cases in our own country and provinces .. or anywhere

That does seem strange.