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Started by Anonymous, January 16, 2018, 06:59:23 PM

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Wazzzup

Ive seen stuff here like that--



Red light cameras, everybody loves safety how can anybody be against that?  then the cities shorten the yellow light and there are more accidents.  truth is they don't care, they just want the money



Soda pop tax, everybody's against obesity right? then they start taxing diet drinks too.  



Just like the carbon tax sceheme, these are all just ways to raise taxes without going out and saying they want to raise taxes.  that would be unpopular, so they use a gimmick to get it done.



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Anonymous

Quote from: "Wazzzup"Ive seen stuff here like that--



Red light cameras, everybody loves safety how can anybody be against that?  then the cities shorten the yellow light and there are more accidents.  truth is they don't care, they just want the money



Soda pop tax, everybody's against obesity right? then they start taxing diet drinks too.  



Just like the carbon tax sceheme, these are all just ways to raise taxes without going out and saying they want to raise taxes.  that would be unpopular, so they use a gimmick to get it done.



https://i.pinimg.com/736x/74/e8/ec/74e8ec939fbcd6b3eb758ea0d8b31b67--big-government-im-here.jpg">

As an old style socialist, I believe the government can help and should. But, in the examples you gave, they are only helping themselves.

Anonymous

Quote from: "Wazzzup"Ive seen stuff here like that--



Red light cameras, everybody loves safety how can anybody be against that?  then the cities shorten the yellow light and there are more accidents.  truth is they don't care, they just want the money



Soda pop tax, everybody's against obesity right? then they start taxing diet drinks too.  



Just like the carbon tax sceheme, these are all just ways to raise taxes without going out and saying they want to raise taxes.  that would be unpopular, so they use a gimmick to get it done.



https://i.pinimg.com/736x/74/e8/ec/74e8ec939fbcd6b3eb758ea0d8b31b67--big-government-im-here.jpg">

And sin taxes on booze and smokes.

Anonymous

Quote from: "cc"They ignore everything that does not suit their warped agendas

Cynical. Justin is charging us more for our own good. ac_toofunny

Anonymous

Quote from: "Velvet"
Quote from: "cc"They ignore everything that does not suit their warped agendas

Cynical. Justin is charging us more for our own good. ac_toofunny

Trump giveth back to the working people and Justine taketh it away. But, Justine is the saint.  Anyone, still wonder why North America and Western Europe are fucked.

Wazzzup

CORRECTION: NOW SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN SAYS THE EARTH IS GETTING COOLER

https://downtrend.com/correction-now-scientific-american-says-the-earth-is-getting-cooler/">https://downtrend.com/correction-now-sc ... ng-cooler/">https://downtrend.com/correction-now-scientific-american-says-the-earth-is-getting-cooler/



All the scientists models predict massive warming, and they're always wrong.  The fact is while the man made global warming theory isn't a bad one, there are way too many variables going on that cannot be controlled, sun temps, pollution, methane, sea temps versus air temps and so many more, when it comes down to it these guys really don't understand whats going on.



Either way though, a tax won't do squat except feed greedy government.



Tell lefties if they are REALLY for getting rid of global warming that they should all sell their cars and live in houses with no electricity.

Anonymous

Quote from: "Wazzzup"CORRECTION: NOW SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN SAYS THE EARTH IS GETTING COOLER

https://downtrend.com/correction-now-scientific-american-says-the-earth-is-getting-cooler/">https://downtrend.com/correction-now-sc ... ng-cooler/">https://downtrend.com/correction-now-scientific-american-says-the-earth-is-getting-cooler/



All the scientists models predict massive warming, and they're always wrong.  The fact is while the man made global warming theory isn't a bad one, there are way too many variables going on that cannot be controlled, sun temps, pollution, methane, sea temps versus air temps and so many more, when it comes down to it these guys really don't understand whats going on.



Either way though, a tax won't do squat except feed greedy government.



Tell lefties if they are REALLY for getting rid of global warming that they should all sell their cars and live in houses with no electricity.

I believe in the science behind global warming. But, there are other factors influencing climate that are being ignored. The sun is and has always been the biggest influence on the earth's climate.



There are solar scientists who believe we could be heading for a min ice age thanks to changing solar activity.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3156594/Is-mini-ICE-AGE-way-Scientists-warn-sun-sleep-2020-cause-temperatures-plummet.html">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... ummet.html">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3156594/Is-mini-ICE-AGE-way-Scientists-warn-sun-sleep-2020-cause-temperatures-plummet.html

Anonymous

I am glad our new premier is fighting against this punitive tax grab.





http://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/malcolm-the-fight-again-carbon-taxes-is-the-policy-fight-of-our-lives">http://torontosun.com/opinion/columnist ... -our-lives">http://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/malcolm-the-fight-again-carbon-taxes-is-the-policy-fight-of-our-lives

The fight against a national carbon tax is the policy fight of our lifetime. Every taxpayer in the country, and especially every conservative who believes in the principle of limited government, should do everything they can to stop this devastating tax grab.



Make no mistake, the carbon tax initiative is not about protecting the planet. It isn't designed to lower pollution levels, enable so-called green innovation or even to curb carbon emissions.



The carbon tax is designed to give the government more power, more money and more top-down control over the economy.



Carbon tax advocates, including a handful of misguided conservatives, typically rely on one core argument to promote this tax. They say that carbon taxes use free market principles to change consumer behaviour so that we consume less and produce fewer emissions.  



If carbon is more expensive, it will encourage you to drive less or to put on a sweater instead of turning up the heat. The problem with this line of reasoning is that it requires a tax rate drastically higher than anything being discussed or proposed today.





The EcoFiscal Commission, an Ottawa-based organization that supports a carbon tax, admits the carbon tax rate would need to be significantly higher to have a real impact.



Trudeau's carbon tax was introduced in 2018 at a rate of $10 per tonne, and yet, EcoFiscal economists project that even if carbon taxes were raised to $200 per tonne it still would not be enough to meet Trudeau's target of cutting emissions by 30% by 2030.



Even if Trudeau's tax was 2,000% higher, it still would not be enough.



[size=150]A $200-a-tonne carbon tax would, however, take more than $100 billion out of the private sector and into the coffers of the government.[/size]  



A massive transfer of wealth away from the innovative, creative and productive part of the economy, and towards a growing government bureaucracy will not help the planet. Instead, it will enable a massive tax grab designed to forever increase the size and scope of the government.



We've seen this movie before. In the 1980s and `90s, the GST was introduced and sold to Canadians as a "more efficient tax." Big government activists designed the tax intentionally to appeal to free market conservatives and economists.



They made the argument that people should be taxed on the things they consume rather than the income they earn. And yes, in theory, the optimal tax wouldn't punish people for working more, but rather, would tax people when they spend rather than save their money.



Of course, the big lie in all of this is that the federal government never planned to introduce a corresponding cut to income taxes. Instead, we're stuck with both a punitive consumption tax and a punitive income tax. [size=150]They take our money when we earn it and they take our money when we spend it.

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And now, the same brigade of [size=150]government-knows-best activists have schemed together to introduce another version of the GST, wrapped up as the green, eco-friendly, think-of-the-planet carbon tax.

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And worse, by selling this as a market-friendly measure they've managed to persuade some otherwise dedicated conservatives.



It doesn't matter who promotes this idea. Whether it's coming from Preston Manning, Patrick Brown, Justin Trudeau or Rachel Notley, a carbon tax is not what it seems, and it's not the right path for Canada.



Canadians from coast to coast should unite in fighting against it.

Anonymous