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The Great Climate Change Swindle goes on...

Started by Bricktop, March 07, 2018, 10:43:08 PM

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Quote from: "Bricktop"I am still waiting for our politicans...ANY politicians...to tell me exactly how much the global temperature will reduce as a result of their low emissions target.



They are grasping at smoke. The whole notion of reducing global emissions rests on the US, China, India, the EU and Russia. Any country outside this group can do what they want.



It will make no difference.

We don't have any politicians here either who can give an answer to that question.

Bricktop

Because there isn't one.



They don't know. There is no method to determine the equation CO2 =  >Temp.

Anonymous

Quote from: "Bricktop"Because there isn't one.



They don't know. There is no method to determine the equation CO2 =  >Temp.

There is an answer though. Any sacrifices Canadians, Australians and New Zealanders make will not budge the climate needle. If you question it, you are a denier. Just like if you question the wisdom of Justine's budget that allocates money based on race(anything but white), you are a racist and have white privilege.

Bricktop

That is so true!!!



Much is made by our Green scum that Australia generates more CO2 than other countries with the same population, and so tries to shame us into implementing Green power generation madness.



What they fail to mention in their sermons of shame is that we create a lot less CO2 compared to countries of similar SIZE. Of course we generate more shit, when our citizens are 500 km apart, and air travel is utilised rather than rail, which is too slow and inefficient given our population. And our contribution to the total amount of global CO2? Less than 1%

Anonymous

Quote from: "Bricktop"That is so true!!!



Much is made by our Green scum that Australia generates more CO2 than other countries with the same population, and so tries to shame us into implementing Green power generation madness.



What they fail to mention in their sermons of shame is that we create a lot less CO2 compared to countries of similar SIZE. Of course we generate more shit, when our citizens are 500 km apart, and air travel is utilised rather than rail, which is too slow and inefficient given our population. And our contribution to the total amount of global CO2? Less than 1%

I think Canada's contribution is 1.6 per cent..



But, as has been posted here before, Canadian forests consume a lot more C02 than this country produces.

Bricktop

Exactly. They only count what goes out.



Not what is absorbed by our vast wildernesses.

Anonymous

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Anonymous

It's Kinder Morgan, nor Morgan Kinder Bill.

Anonymous

The fact the latest attack on Canada came from a G-list celebrity at the invitation of our fearless national leader is absolutely unacceptable. But invited, he was, and clearly his eco-worrier pals briefed him on the missive to deliver. "I've gotten a lot of messages from my colleagues in the environmental community, and I have been to Fort Mcmurray, Alberta, it really is an amazing place in the most troubling way," Nye said this week during his mind-boggling visit/photo op/pointless chat with Prime Minister Justin Trudeau at an Ottawa university. No, Nye, Fort Mcmurray is an amazing place where equally amazing scientific breakthroughs have allowed us to clean up one of God's biggest oil spills — and repurpose the land as natural wilderness. It's also an amazing place that has brought together Canadians from coast to-coast, both for their economic benefit and for the benefit of the country itself. And further, it's an amazing place that has almost miraculously rebuilt itself and its community after a devastating fire almost razed the city. So don't come into our country and tell us what we are doing wrong in Fort Mcmurray — or anywhere else, for that matter.

Anonymous

Scott Pruitt Will End EPA's Use Of 'Secret Science' To Justify Regulations


QuoteEnvironmental Protection Agency (EPA) Administrator Scott Pruitt will soon end his agency's use of "secret science" to craft regulations.



"We need to make sure their data and methodology are published as part of the record," Pruitt said in an exclusive interview with The Daily Caller News Foundation. "Otherwise, it's not transparent. It's not objectively measured, and that's important."



Pruitt will reverse long-standing EPA policy allowing regulators to rely on non-public scientific data in crafting rules. Such studies have been used to justify tens of billions of dollars worth of regulations.



EPA regulators would only be allowed to consider scientific studies that make their data available for public scrutiny under Pruitt's new policy. Also, EPA-funded studies would need to make all their data public.



"When we do contract that science out, sometimes the findings are published; we make that part of our rule-making processes, but then we don't publish the methodology and data that went into those findings because the third party who did the study won't give it to us," Pruitt added.



"And we've said that's fine — we're changing that as well," Pruitt told TheDCNF.



Conservatives have long criticized EPA for relying on scientific studies that published their findings but not the underlying data. However, Democrats and environmental activists have challenged past attempts to bring transparency to studies used in rule making.



Texas Republican Rep. Lamar Smith pushed legislation to end the use of what he calls "secret science" at EPA. Pruitt instituted another policy in 2017 backed by Smith against EPA-funded scientists serving on agency advisory boards.



"If we use a third party to engage in scientific review or inquiry, and that's the basis of rulemaking, you and every American citizen across the country deserve to know what's the data, what's the methodology that was used to reach that conclusion that was the underpinning of what — rules that were adopted by this agency," Pruitt explained.



Pruitt's pending science transparency policy mirrors Smith's HONEST Act, which passed the House in March 2017. Smith's office was pleased to hear Pruitt was adopting another policy the House Committee on Science, Space and Technology chairman championed.



"The chairman has long worked toward a more open and transparent rule-making process at EPA, and he looks forward to any announcement from Administrator Pruitt that would achieve that goal," committee spokeswoman Thea McDonald told TheDCNF.



Junk science crusader Steve Milloy also called on EPA to end its use of "secret science" in rule making, especially when it comes to studies on the toxicity of fine particulates in the air.



EPA has primarily relied on two 1990s studies linking fine particulate pollution to premature death. Neither studies have made their data public, but EPA used their findings to justify sweeping air quality regulations.



Reported benefits from EPA rules are "mostly attributable to the reduction in public exposure to fine particulate matter," according to the White House Office of Management and Budget report. That's equivalent to billions of dollars.



In fact, one of EPA's most expensive regulation on the books, called MATS, derived most of its estimated benefits from reducing particulates not from reducing mercury, which the rule was ostensibly crafted to address.



EPA estimated MATS would cost $8.2 billion but yield between $28 billion to $77 billion in public health benefits. It's a similar story for the Clean Power Plan, which EPA estimated would cost $8.4 billion and yield from $14 billion to $34 billion in health and climate benefits.



Democrats and environmentalists have largely opposed attempts to require EPA rely on transparent scientific data. Said data would restrict the amount of studies EPA can use, but a major objection is making data public would reveal confidential patient data, opponents argue.



"A lot of the data that EPA uses to protect public health and ensure that we have clean air and clean water relies on data that cannot be publicly released," Union of Concerned Scientists representative Yogin Kothari told E&E News.



"It really hamstrings the ability of the EPA to do anything, to fulfill its mission," Kothari said.



Milloy, however, countered and argued it's a "red herring" to claim that forcing regulators to use public science data would harm patient privacy.



"The availability of such data sets is nothing new," said Milloy, publisher of JunkScience.com and senior fellow at the Energy and Environmental Legal Institute.



"The state of California, for example, makes such data available under the moniker, 'Public Use Death Files,'" Milloy said. "We used such data in the form of over two million anonymized death certificates in our recent California study on particulates and death."



"Opponents of data transparency are just trying to hide the data from independent scrutiny," Milloy added. "But the studies that use this data are taxpayer-financed, and they are used to regulate the public."

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Bricktop

What a con.



"Secret science" is no science at all.

Anonymous

Quote from: "Bricktop"What a con.



"Secret science" is no science at all.

Good on Trump for reigning in the EPA. Taking tax dollars they don't need  to put Americans out of work.

Bricktop

Whilst China and India, the biggest polluters, can't get enough workers...



But climate change isn't a scame...noooooo....