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http://therightscoop.com/awesome-nfl-teams-to-be-fined-if-player-kneels-for-national-anthem/">http://therightscoop.com/awesome-nfl-te ... al-anthem/">http://therightscoop.com/awesome-nfl-teams-to-be-fined-if-player-kneels-for-national-anthem/


QuoteNFL owners have approved a new policy aimed at addressing the firestorm over national anthem protests, permitting players to stay in the locker room during the "The Star-Spangled Banner" but requiring them to stand if they come to the field.



The NFL owners have decided to impose fines on any team in which players kneel on the field or the sidelines during the National Anthem:


Sounds good, but they'll have to be serious fines. They have to get rid of this stuff or the boycott should go back on.

politics does not belong on the field.  players can do all the political stuff they want on their own time.



Naturally leftards are angry

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2018/05/23/liberal-media-outraged-after-racist-nfl-adopts-un-american-policy-to-combat-national-anthem-protests.html">http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/20 ... tests.html">http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2018/05/23/liberal-media-outraged-after-racist-nfl-adopts-un-american-policy-to-combat-national-anthem-protests.html



CNN's Marc Lamont Hill urged all players to remain in the locker room.

 https://twitter.com/marclamonthill/status/999330435866951680?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxnews.com%2Fentertainment%2F2018%2F05%2F23%2Fliberal-media-outraged-after-racist-nfl-adopts-un-american-policy-to-combat-national-anthem-protests.html&tfw_creator=foxnews&tfw_site=foxnews">https://twitter.com/marclamonthill/stat ... te=foxnews">https://twitter.com/marclamonthill/status/999330435866951680?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxnews.com%2Fentertainment%2F2018%2F05%2F23%2Fliberal-media-outraged-after-racist-nfl-adopts-un-american-policy-to-combat-national-anthem-protests.html&tfw_creator=foxnews&tfw_site=foxnews



chuck tard... er todd weighed in

https://twitter.com/chucktodd/status/999339757200134144?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxnews.com%2Fentertainment%2F2018%2F05%2F23%2Fliberal-media-outraged-after-racist-nfl-adopts-un-american-policy-to-combat-national-anthem-protests.html&tfw_creator=foxnews&tfw_site=foxnews">https://twitter.com/chucktodd/status/99 ... te=foxnews">https://twitter.com/chucktodd/status/999339757200134144?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxnews.com%2Fentertainment%2F2018%2F05%2F23%2Fliberal-media-outraged-after-racist-nfl-adopts-un-american-policy-to-combat-national-anthem-protests.html&tfw_creator=foxnews&tfw_site=foxnews



ESPN's Jemel Hill, who famously called President Trump a white supremacist last year, said,

https://twitter.com/jemelehill/status/999342282351529984?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxnews.com%2Fentertainment%2F2018%2F05%2F23%2Fliberal-media-outraged-after-racist-nfl-adopts-un-american-policy-to-combat-national-anthem-protests.html&tfw_creator=foxnews&tfw_site=foxnews">https://twitter.com/jemelehill/status/9 ... te=foxnews">https://twitter.com/jemelehill/status/999342282351529984?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxnews.com%2Fentertainment%2F2018%2F05%2F23%2Fliberal-media-outraged-after-racist-nfl-adopts-un-american-policy-to-combat-national-anthem-protests.html&tfw_creator=foxnews&tfw_site=foxnews



Radley Balko of the Washington Post chimed in,

https://twitter.com/radleybalko/status/999330570172862464?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxnews.com%2Fentertainment%2F2018%2F05%2F23%2Fliberal-media-outraged-after-racist-nfl-adopts-un-american-policy-to-combat-national-anthem-protests.html&tfw_creator=foxnews&tfw_site=foxnews">https://twitter.com/radleybalko/status/ ... te=foxnews">https://twitter.com/radleybalko/status/999330570172862464?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxnews.com%2Fentertainment%2F2018%2F05%2F23%2Fliberal-media-outraged-after-racist-nfl-adopts-un-american-policy-to-combat-national-anthem-protests.html&tfw_creator=foxnews&tfw_site=foxnews

The founders?  I thought they were all evil, racist, white slave owners.  Now suddenly the left care what they would have said?



Think Progress editor and founder Judd Legum asked,

https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/999325195331612672?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxnews.com%2Fentertainment%2F2018%2F05%2F23%2Fliberal-media-outraged-after-racist-nfl-adopts-un-american-policy-to-combat-national-anthem-protests.html&tfw_creator=foxnews&tfw_site=foxnews">https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/99 ... te=foxnews">https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/999325195331612672?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxnews.com%2Fentertainment%2F2018%2F05%2F23%2Fliberal-media-outraged-after-racist-nfl-adopts-un-american-policy-to-combat-national-anthem-protests.html&tfw_creator=foxnews&tfw_site=foxnews

Yeah? and what about the fans having a day off where they don't have to think about the world and all the mess going on and escape inside a game.  Why do you pushy libtards want to mess that up for them?

Rancidmilko

There\'s always a bigger fish.


Anonymous

Quote from: "Wazzzup"

http://therightscoop.com/awesome-nfl-teams-to-be-fined-if-player-kneels-for-national-anthem/">http://therightscoop.com/awesome-nfl-te ... al-anthem/">http://therightscoop.com/awesome-nfl-teams-to-be-fined-if-player-kneels-for-national-anthem/


QuoteNFL owners have approved a new policy aimed at addressing the firestorm over national anthem protests, permitting players to stay in the locker room during the "The Star-Spangled Banner" but requiring them to stand if they come to the field.



The NFL owners have decided to impose fines on any team in which players kneel on the field or the sidelines during the National Anthem:


Sounds good, but they'll have to be serious fines. They have to get rid of this stuff or the boycott should go back on.

politics does not belong on the field.  players can do all the political stuff they want on their own time.



Naturally leftards are angry

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2018/05/23/liberal-media-outraged-after-racist-nfl-adopts-un-american-policy-to-combat-national-anthem-protests.html">http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/20 ... tests.html">http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2018/05/23/liberal-media-outraged-after-racist-nfl-adopts-un-american-policy-to-combat-national-anthem-protests.html



CNN's Marc Lamont Hill urged all players to remain in the locker room.

 https://twitter.com/marclamonthill/status/999330435866951680?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxnews.com%2Fentertainment%2F2018%2F05%2F23%2Fliberal-media-outraged-after-racist-nfl-adopts-un-american-policy-to-combat-national-anthem-protests.html&tfw_creator=foxnews&tfw_site=foxnews">https://twitter.com/marclamonthill/stat ... te=foxnews">https://twitter.com/marclamonthill/status/999330435866951680?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxnews.com%2Fentertainment%2F2018%2F05%2F23%2Fliberal-media-outraged-after-racist-nfl-adopts-un-american-policy-to-combat-national-anthem-protests.html&tfw_creator=foxnews&tfw_site=foxnews



chuck tard... er todd weighed in

https://twitter.com/chucktodd/status/999339757200134144?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxnews.com%2Fentertainment%2F2018%2F05%2F23%2Fliberal-media-outraged-after-racist-nfl-adopts-un-american-policy-to-combat-national-anthem-protests.html&tfw_creator=foxnews&tfw_site=foxnews">https://twitter.com/chucktodd/status/99 ... te=foxnews">https://twitter.com/chucktodd/status/999339757200134144?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxnews.com%2Fentertainment%2F2018%2F05%2F23%2Fliberal-media-outraged-after-racist-nfl-adopts-un-american-policy-to-combat-national-anthem-protests.html&tfw_creator=foxnews&tfw_site=foxnews



ESPN's Jemel Hill, who famously called President Trump a white supremacist last year, said,

https://twitter.com/jemelehill/status/999342282351529984?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxnews.com%2Fentertainment%2F2018%2F05%2F23%2Fliberal-media-outraged-after-racist-nfl-adopts-un-american-policy-to-combat-national-anthem-protests.html&tfw_creator=foxnews&tfw_site=foxnews">https://twitter.com/jemelehill/status/9 ... te=foxnews">https://twitter.com/jemelehill/status/999342282351529984?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxnews.com%2Fentertainment%2F2018%2F05%2F23%2Fliberal-media-outraged-after-racist-nfl-adopts-un-american-policy-to-combat-national-anthem-protests.html&tfw_creator=foxnews&tfw_site=foxnews



Radley Balko of the Washington Post chimed in,

https://twitter.com/radleybalko/status/999330570172862464?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxnews.com%2Fentertainment%2F2018%2F05%2F23%2Fliberal-media-outraged-after-racist-nfl-adopts-un-american-policy-to-combat-national-anthem-protests.html&tfw_creator=foxnews&tfw_site=foxnews">https://twitter.com/radleybalko/status/ ... te=foxnews">https://twitter.com/radleybalko/status/999330570172862464?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxnews.com%2Fentertainment%2F2018%2F05%2F23%2Fliberal-media-outraged-after-racist-nfl-adopts-un-american-policy-to-combat-national-anthem-protests.html&tfw_creator=foxnews&tfw_site=foxnews

The founders?  I thought they were all evil, racist, white slave owners.  Now suddenly the left care what they would have said?



Think Progress editor and founder Judd Legum asked,

https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/999325195331612672?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxnews.com%2Fentertainment%2F2018%2F05%2F23%2Fliberal-media-outraged-after-racist-nfl-adopts-un-american-policy-to-combat-national-anthem-protests.html&tfw_creator=foxnews&tfw_site=foxnews">https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/99 ... te=foxnews">https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/999325195331612672?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxnews.com%2Fentertainment%2F2018%2F05%2F23%2Fliberal-media-outraged-after-racist-nfl-adopts-un-american-policy-to-combat-national-anthem-protests.html&tfw_creator=foxnews&tfw_site=foxnews

Yeah? and what about the fans having a day off where they don't have to think about the world and all the mess going on and escape inside a game.  Why do you pushy libtards want to mess that up for them?

About time.

Anonymous

LOL, what a clusterfuck.



~~ Owners reacting to decreased TV ratings last year (i.e., money)



~~ SFO owner abstained from the vote



~~ Jets owner says his players will not be penalized



..... oh, and let us not forget what happens to the "flag" itself AFTER the anthem...the "flag" that is NOT displayed properly on a staff...CANNOT physically be displayed properly and never HAS been... in compliance with US flag code.  Do you think there's a special room someplace where the 250 volunteers it takes to hold that thing up off the ground actually FOLD it according to code and place it reverently on a shelf?  



It is to laugh...at all the Joe Sixpacks and their phony patriotism, their conflation of football and patriotism and a phony flag.

Wazzzup

Quote from: "Peaches"LOL, what a clusterfuck.



~~ Owners reacting to decreased TV ratings last year (i.e., money)



~~ SFO owner abstained from the vote



~~ Jets owner says his players will not be penalized



..... oh, and let us not forget what happens to the "flag" itself AFTER the anthem...the "flag" that is NOT displayed properly on a staff...CANNOT physically be displayed properly and never HAS been... in compliance with US flag code.  Do you think there's a special room someplace where the 250 volunteers it takes to hold that thing up off the ground actually FOLD it according to code and place it reverently on a shelf?  



It is to laugh...at all the Joe Sixpacks and their phony patriotism, their conflation of football and patriotism and a phony flag.


Most people that I talked to, including non Americans don't like the knee takers because politics doesn't belong on the field in sports.  Many others don't agree the  message of the knee takers that America is a "waycist country" where every white cop wants to shoot a black person, that is a myth created by the media and other  SJWs.  And they don't feel like having it shoved in their face on Sundays when they want to relax and escape.  But these players are free to express that idea as long as they don't do it on the field (BTW the police aren't even allowed to express what they think of black lives matter, even when its off duty, as many have been fired for it).



the NFL has been around for a hundred years without being politicized. It seems to me it was working fine the way it was.  why do liberals want to politicize everything, especially things that should have nothing to do with politics?

Anonymous

Quote from: "Wazzzup"
the NFL has been around for a hundred years without being politicized.


I liked the NFL much better before it became politicized.  However, THAT was in my youth, even before the Vietnam war.  During the late sixties, the pro sports leagues (which already tended to lean "right") decided to weigh in decisively on the conservative side....despite the objections of many players.



During this period, Cardinals linebacker Dave Meggyesy, the Kaepernick of his time, staged his own resistance to the anthem and effectively saw his career end early.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/made-by-history/wp/2017/09/26/national-anthem-protests-arent-politicizing-the-nfl-it-was-already-political/?utm_term=.d35f24bd2b0d">//https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/made-by-history/wp/2017/09/26/national-anthem-protests-arent-politicizing-the-nfl-it-was-already-political/?utm_term=.d35f24bd2b0d



More recently (last one or two decades) we've seen an escalation in the "patriotism" aspect of sports games due in large part to millions of taxpayer dollars spent by the U.S. Department of Defense (DOD) to promote the armed forces and aid in recruiting.


QuoteA 2015 joint oversight report by Arizona Republican senators John Flake and John McCain, entitled Tackling Paid Patriotism, revealed that between 2012 and 2015, the DOD spent $53 million on professional sports contracts, which included in-stadium signage and other branded content.



Of that, the report found $6.8 million of the money given to professional sports leagues, including the NHL, was spent on "inappropriate" patriotic displays aimed at recruiting service members.


https://globalnews.ca/news/3766965/tradition-of-nfl-players-saluting-the-anthem-dates-back-all-the-way-to-2009/">//https://globalnews.ca/news/3766965/tradition-of-nfl-players-saluting-the-anthem-dates-back-all-the-way-to-2009/

Wazzzup

Quote from: "Peaches"
Quote from: "Wazzzup"
the NFL has been around for a hundred years without being politicized.


I liked the NFL much better before it became politicized.  However, THAT was in my youth, even before the Vietnam war.  During the late sixties, the pro sports leagues (which already tended to lean "right") decided to weigh in decisively on the conservative side....despite the objections of many players.



During this period, Cardinals linebacker Dave Meggyesy, the Kaepernick of his time, staged his own resistance to the anthem and effectively saw his career end early.


I'm pretty old.  But that was before my time.  I would just make a blanket statement, politics don't belong in sports.   BTW how would the left like it if during the game a bunch of NFL players carried around signs saying "abortion is murder" or "Blue lives matter?"  they would probably make the same argument as I am now, no?


Quote from: "Peaches"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/made-by-history/wp/2017/09/26/national-anthem-protests-arent-politicizing-the-nfl-it-was-already-political/?utm_term=.d35f24bd2b0d">//https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/made-by-history/wp/2017/09/26/national-anthem-protests-arent-politicizing-the-nfl-it-was-already-political/?utm_term=.d35f24bd2b0d



More recently (last one or two decades) we've seen an escalation in the "patriotism" aspect of sports games due in large part to millions of taxpayer dollars spent by the U.S. Department of Defense (DOD) to promote the armed forces and aid in recruiting.


QuoteA 2015 joint oversight report by Arizona Republican senators John Flake and John McCain, entitled Tackling Paid Patriotism, revealed that between 2012 and 2015, the DOD spent $53 million on professional sports contracts, which included in-stadium signage and other branded content.



Of that, the report found $6.8 million of the money given to professional sports leagues, including the NHL, was spent on "inappropriate" patriotic displays aimed at recruiting service members.


https://globalnews.ca/news/3766965/tradition-of-nfl-players-saluting-the-anthem-dates-back-all-the-way-to-2009/">//https://globalnews.ca/news/3766965/tradition-of-nfl-players-saluting-the-anthem-dates-back-all-the-way-to-2009/


I think the NFL makes more than enough money, they don't need taxpayer money whatever form it takes.



BTW While excessive patriotism can be bad, a little of it makes a country have a sense of self worth.  I don't agree with the new left idea that ALL patriotism is bad and must destroyed.  Just like a person, a country needs a sense of self worth and confidence.  Otherwise they will open themselves up to takeover as Europe is now doing with Islam.

Anonymous

Quote from: "Wazzzup"
I think the NFL makes more than enough money, they don't need taxpayer money whatever form it takes.



BTW While excessive patriotism can be bad, a little of it makes a country have a sense of self worth.  I don't agree with the new left idea that ALL patriotism is bad and must destroyed.  Just like a person, a country needs a sense of self worth and confidence.  Otherwise they will open themselves up to takeover as Europe is now doing with Islam.


I agree, they sure don't need taxpayer money although that's how they build their damn stadiums and rent those ridiculous oversize flags.  At any rate, regardless what they SHOULD do they are in the Paid Patriotism business.  



Besides that, if a country gets its sense of self worth from sitting on its ass drinking beer and watching professional jocks play sports...be it American football or the kind played most everywhere else...that's some bullshit too IMO.  Why can't a country get its sense of self worth by finding ways its people can live well, work in respectable jobs, not shoot each other, and stop fucking up the planet?

Anonymous

Quote from: "Wazzzup"


Most people that I talked to, including non Americans don't like the knee takers because politics doesn't belong on the field in sports.  

Most Calgarians would be uncomfortable to appalled if our Calgary Flames forced their negative politics on us after we spent hundreds of dollars to have a good time and not be depressed.

Wazzzup

Quote from: "Peaches"Besides that, if a country gets its sense of self worth from sitting on its ass drinking beer and watching professional jocks play sports...be it American football or the kind played most everywhere else...that's some bullshit too IMO.  Why can't a country get its sense of self worth by finding ways its people can live well, work in respectable jobs, not shoot each other, and stop fucking up the planet?


A sense of patriotism exists because America is one of the best places to live on the planet.  Much of it because of the western ideals it was built on.  That is the reason people take pride in it and should (Just as Canadians, Europeans, Australians should take pride in their countries as well [As should the japanese although they are eastern]    



These ideals led to a place where most people DO live well, many DO work respectable jobs and MOST don't shoot each other (BTW its mostly democrat constituents who shoot each other)   Most of those people "sitting on their ass drinking beer and watching professional jocks play sports" worked hard all week and would like to escape somewhere outside the troubles of the word.  But instead comes the politicized black lives matter myth shoved in their faces.   They don't like it, why should they?  They wanted to watch a game, not get preached to by overpaid liberal asshats who wouldn't even have their job if it weren't for the country they're knocking.

Anonymous

Political stands have no place at sporting events in my opinion..



Thankfully, there's not much of a tradition of that in Canada.

Wazzzup

Quote from: "Fashionista"Political stands have no place at sporting events in my opinion..



Thankfully, there's not much of a tradition of that in Canada.


Hear hear.  Although as you said before bad ideas south of the border have a way of finding their way north.  Hopefully this one won't.   it may die here as well if the NFL is finally serious about getting rid of this garbage.

Anonymous

Quote from: "Wazzzup"Most of those people "sitting on their ass drinking beer and watching professional jocks play sports" worked hard all week and would like to [size=150]escape[/size] somewhere outside the troubles of the word.  


I've heard this argument in other places today, also, and both you and Fash have used the E-word in this thread.  



I can't argue with that... personally I don't go to sporting events to Escape from anything, but... everybody to his own taste.

Bricktop

With a somewhat red face, I stand with Peaches on this...for different reasons.



It is vital in our society that we preserve the ever dwindling freedom to express our views, whether or not they are agreeable to the population at large. It is why, for example, I will stand by Scouse for him to speak plainly even though I don't always agree, and that I also lauded Romero for standing up for his beliefs, even though they contradicted my own most of the time.



If these guys wish to make a political stand, who cares? It is more important for us ALL to live in a society where they CAN, rather than get butt hurt because we disagree.



Stifling freedom of speech and expression damages a society far more than people expressing that freedom of speech will ever do. And how often does history provide examples of "patriotism" being a tool of repression of that right?



They have an issue. Let them raise that issue. Agree, or disagree. Then get on with the game.