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Quote from: Lokmar on August 23, 2024, 08:08:45 PMGovernment never excels in efficiency. They excel in spending money and fucking things up.It is even worse in Canada. Canadian provinces have health boards, that are made up of appointed leftist political hacks. They decide how the block grants are spent. And it is always what the union bosses want, not what the public needs.
Quote from: hard R on August 23, 2024, 03:14:57 PMAddendum: I should ask if you have considered just letting the Canadian system crumble. Not bothering to save it. Because it's clearly not working as it should, not that this should come to the surprise of anyone familiar with the inefficiencies inherent in government run infrastructure.Letting it crumble?? It's well on it's way there now.
And if you need to see a doctor, do it on the sly and remunerate him directly. Preferably in a form that doesn't result in money changing hands (so, bartering) and cut the government bullshittery out of the equation entirely.
Quote from: DKG on August 23, 2024, 06:47:02 AMOurs is just not efficient. You saw the post about the block grants. That is wasteful.
Quote from: DKG on August 22, 2024, 07:08:23 AMHow do they do that?Exactly as I said. The government enforces the rule that private practicioners contribute a portion of their working hours to the public healthcare sector by revoking their license to practice at all if they do not. Effectively it's a tax without the money component; those hours that the private carers are forced to invest in the publick healthcare model are hours they might otherwise be devoting to the private.
Quote from: Lokmar on August 22, 2024, 10:41:34 AMThats what caused the problem ITFP. Give government power and they ALWAYS expand and try to take over. Its the nature of government. Thats why our founders created the best form of government ever known to mankind when they broke the government into 3 or arguable 5 opposed branches. We fucked up when we allowed the government to better "do the will of the people". Fixing government so that it works leads to slavery.Ours is just not efficient. You saw the post about the block grants. That is wasteful.
Quote from: DKG on August 22, 2024, 07:06:44 AMI don't mind the government running a basic health delivery program, but mostn health care delivery should be in private hands to keepn costs lower and service better.
Quote from: hard R on August 22, 2024, 01:39:09 AMThey also require the private options to contribute to the government subsidized system under threat of practitioners losing their license to work,How do they do that?
Quote from: Oerdin on August 22, 2024, 04:34:53 AMPrivatize all of it. The government can run a basic insurance program but all actual healthcare providers should be privately run to make them more efficient. Competition between providers will also do the same.I don't mind the government running a basic health delivery program, but mostn health care delivery should be in private hands to keepn costs lower and service better.
Holland or Japan are good examples of this approach.
Quote from: Oerdin on August 22, 2024, 04:34:53 AMPrivatize all of it. The government can run a basic insurance program but all actual healthcare providers should be privately run to make them more efficient. Competition between providers will also do the same.Guarding against collusion between those organisations and the public service might also be something to keep an eye on too. We'd want to avoid the kinds of relationships that media outlets and various Silicon Valley companies have been known to enjoy with the government at the common man's expense. The revolving door that operates between pharma companies and regulatory bodies like the FDA and CDC does not serve us even remotely adequately.
Holland or Japan are good examples of this approach.
Quote from: Herman on August 21, 2024, 07:36:05 PMThey both allow more private options than Canaduh.That they do. They also require the private options to contribute to the government subsidized system under threat of practitioners losing their license to work, effectively rendering the private sector a thinly veneered public system, given that its workforce and its clients are subsidizing the openly public model.
Quote from: hard R on August 21, 2024, 06:58:01 PMTake a look at England's NHS sometime. Or Australia's Medicare for that matter.They both allow more private options than Canaduh.
Government mismanagement of socialized medicine is not a problem unique to Canada.
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