In talking with colleagues, relatives and friends there seems to be a sense of inevitability that divorce is the only way forward now..

We're just going to keep living our lives no matter what happens.

Quote from: DKG on Today at 10:01:45 AMCanada will not survive the loss of Alberta.

No shit. I imagine BC would get to shitting some pretty impressive bricks if Alberta's secession ever happened and the borders closed. The fuck are they gonna do? Reroute the Trans Canada Highway through the Northwest Territories?

Quote from: JOE on Today at 08:13:58 AMJoining Trump's America is like selling one's soul. With a 36 trillion national debt & $4.5 trillion in tax cuts promised over the next 10 years, it's little wonder Trump wants to swallow up Alberta & the resource rich areas of Canada. Without them how is America gonna pay for all its liabilities? And of course this Brave New World of AI/Robotics will require an abundance of natural resources that only a resource rich country such as  Canada can provide them with.

Bullshit. Feel free to get your hand off it for five minutes and explain to the class exactly what part of "net energy exporter" failed to process in your vacuum packed cranium.

The US's recoverable oil reserves are almost twice that of Alberta's, the US processes more crude through its refineries than it consumes and thanks to an arrangement with the Saudis (and in spite of Joe Biden's best efforts at torpedoing it), the "petrodollar" which supplanted the gold standard in the seventies effectively assures that all oil transactions be expressed in US dollars.

Alberta will always be the junior partner in any arrangement, they are landlocked and need the graces of either Canada or the US to get their oil to market. They may improve their standing by virtue of employing methods I have already furnished Shen Li with, but they will never eclipse the position the US enjoys, no matter how much pie-in-the-sky parochial wet dreams you wank yourself silly with.

The US is the one dealing from a position of strength, not Alberta. Get it right, mong.

Quote from: Shen Li on Today at 01:19:48 AMBecoming a state means they can use American currency, they do not need an armed forces and most of all NO EQUALIZATION MONEY for Quebec and the other freeloading provinces.

If they can get US dollar for CDN peso parity and no income tax like Alaska, I expect over 50% of voters in that province to say it was nice(not really) knowing you Canada.

You were wrong about Poilievre winning the election and you are wrong about Alberta separating. You are wrong about a lot.

Quote from: Shen Li on April 29, 2025, 11:05:38 PMIf Alberta was an independent country or even a US state and Canada made an offer to join, does anyone think the people of Alberta would give their assent knowing what they do now.

Of course not. A bride does not knowingly choose an abusive husband.

Alberta's GDP per capita would grow considerably if they joined the US. They would not need state income tax as the equalization money they send to other provinces would cover state operating expenses.

They would be free to develop their resources and grow their sovereign wealth fund like other oil rich US states, North Dakota and Alaska have. It would probably have a dividend for citizens over the age of eighteen.

Canada will not survive the loss of Alberta. Fitch Ratings has downgraded Canada's growth prospects since the election due to Carney's anti energy, and high debt agenda.

Many Americans are actually excited about the prospect of Alberta joining America.

Alberta would be much better off than in this current abusive, unproductive relationship with Canada. It didn't have to be this way, but it is looking like Canada is over.
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Joining Trump's America is like selling one's soul. With a 36 trillion national debt & $4.5 trillion in tax cuts promised over the next 10 years, it's little wonder Trump wants to swallow up Alberta & the resource rich areas of Canada. Without them how is America gonna pay for all its liabilities? And of course this Brave New World of AI/Robotics will require an abundance of natural resources that only a resource rich country such as  Canada can provide them with.

...but be prepared to kiss the ring...either the US's or unlikely, Canada's. Being landlocked is a problem, even if limites access to the Hudson Bay is secured.

Quote from: Shen Li on Today at 01:19:48 AMBecoming a state means they can use American currency, they do not need an armed forces and most of all NO EQUALIZATION MONEY for Quebec and the other freeloading provinces.

If they can get US dollar for CDN peso parity and no income tax like Alaska, I expect over 50% of voters in that province to say it was nice(not really) knowing you Canada.

Heh, yeah a highly generous arrangement and one that's unlikely to happen now, isn't it? Why, with the exchange rate between the nations being like it is at present, a dollar for dollar exchange would be effectively increasing the worth of Albertans' wealth over one third. I imagine non Albertans would be scrambling to see how they might take advantage of such generosity, at the very least those with a passing understanding of economics... and the current 50 states would be almost universal in their condemnation of what is, on the face of it, a welfare handout for those residents of the former province. Shit, you'd likely see investors cashing out of US investment in droves, registering in Alberta and buying up big ahead of the exchange, leading to massive market instability and all that goes with.

So no, the deal would fall through on that condition alone. Trump isn't your average democrat, he's not going to fuck with the worth of Alberta to that extent. It would rank as one of the more grossly irresponsible financial arrangements any president has authored if he did.

And that's before he sends in the troops to protect the United States newest investment... for which he would be receiving not a single penny of income tax. I don't doubt that Albertans would jump at such an arrangement, it is a sweetheart deal for them one third richer, no income tax and a military upgrade into the bargain! And (accordingly) one that is highly unlikely to be tabled by the US. Alberta simply isn't that important to them... but it doesn't hurt to give the leftie media something to scream about by pretending that it is.

Albertans ought to be thinking of this more along the lines of how one acts when looking to secure a financial loan from a bank; namely proving they don't need the contract in order to secure it. The best way I can see to do that is to prepare to "go it alone" as it were. Shutter the borders and declare independence - there goes the euqaliztion blood money for starters. You raise the spectre of the need for an armed force; a "well regulated armed militia" in the style of what the US's founding fathers envisaged would be a start and certainly earn the respect of diehard 2A supporters to the south. Especially once you start enforcing your sovereignty at your borders, which will be another thing they will cheer. Stockpiling freshly liberated crude and making it known you were prepared to sell it to US interests (in whatever currency the province is prepared to adopt) would also go a long ways towards commending your inclusion in the US pantheon, as a territory at least, if not a fully fledged state.

That sort of thinking will get you a lot further towards statehood I think you'll find. Simply saying "we have oil" and sticking out your hand for "gimmedats" isn't enough. The US has oil too and it can get at it with a lot less heartache and effort than arbitrarily annexing Canadian territory. But I can see a path towards the goal, if not a genuine willingness at the provincial level to undertake it. If Alberta were to cease being Canadian territory and become a nation in its own right, I can see a shift from someone like Trump from merely saying "we'll annex Alberta" to get a rise out of politicians hostile to his administration in favour of genuine negotiations to make it a reality.

Just the way I see it, mind you. You want statehood? Prepare to think more like an American and make it happen. They will welcome you with open arms then.

Quote from: . on Today at 01:09:25 AMHe's a businessman by trade, Alberta has fossil fuel locked up in the oil sands. So far, so good.

Understand this from Donald Trump's perspective though. The US has already been a net energy exporter under his last presidency and it isn't as though he strictly needs Alberta's resources to return to that paradigm. The US has its own resources it might exploit.

Yes, having Alberta in the bag increases that pool, that I do not deny. But there is nothing stopping Albert and America negotiation a deal for the sale and transportation of said resources once Ottawa has been excised from the equation. Becoming a state necessarily subjugates and assures Alberta's future, remaining independent requires a favourable trade agreement. Either way, the US gets its cut. Trump doesn't need to come a-calling, Alberta needs to go to him and hammer out a deal. If the ruling class genuinely want to talk turkey and not merely have a convenient fall guy in Ottawa to blame the provinces woes on.

Becoming a state means they can use American currency, they do not need an armed forces and most of all NO EQUALIZATION MONEY for Quebec and the other freeloading provinces.

If they can get US dollar for CDN peso parity and no income tax like Alaska, I expect over 50% of voters in that province to say it was nice(not really) knowing you Canada.

Quote from: Shen Li on Today at 12:49:07 AMThe status quo isn't an option anymore.

Now that they have a US prez sympathetic to their plight, let's see if he can sweeten the pot. Something even some of those libtards in Edmonton would yes to in a referendum that Danielle Smith just made a lot easier to achieve.

He's a businessman by trade, Alberta has fossil fuel locked up in the oil sands. So far, so good.

Understand this from Donald Trump's perspective though. The US has already been a net energy exporter under his last presidency and it isn't as though he strictly needs Alberta's resources to return to that paradigm. The US has its own resources it might exploit.

Yes, having Alberta in the bag increases that pool, that I do not deny. But there is nothing stopping Albert and America negotiation a deal for the sale and transportation of said resources once Ottawa has been excised from the equation. Becoming a state necessarily subjugates and assures Alberta's future, remaining independent requires a favourable trade agreement. Either way, the US gets its cut. Trump doesn't need to come a-calling, Alberta needs to go to him and hammer out a deal. If the ruling class genuinely want to talk turkey and not merely have a convenient fall guy in Ottawa to blame the provinces woes on.

Quote from: . on Today at 12:43:21 AMNot a chance. Then again I doubt the US would consider such an offer... and that ain't gonna happen unless it falls into globalist progtard hands again.

The status quo isn't an option anymore.

Now that they have a US prez sympathetic to their plight, let's see if he can sweeten the pot. Something even some of those libtards in Edmonton would vote yes to in a referendum that Danielle Smith just made a lot easier to achieve.

Quote from: Shen Li on April 29, 2025, 11:05:38 PMIf Alberta was an independent country or even a US state and Canada made an offer to join, does anyone think the people of Alberta would give their assent knowing what they do now.

Not a chance. Then again I doubt the US would consider such an offer... and that ain't gonna happen unless it falls into globalist progtard hands again.

If Alberta was an independent country or even a US state and Canada made an offer to join, does anyone think the people of Alberta would give their assent knowing what they do now.

Premier Smith fired a shot across the bow. She is making the province ready for the inevitable exit of Alberta from Canada.

Prez Trump, make Albertans an offer. I will go to the embassy and vote yes to statehood.

To white libtard Canadians, you will get your wish. Alberta and it's "dirty oil" will no longer shame you while paying your bills.