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- Today at 12:36:41 AMQuote from: Herman on April 30, 2025, 11:57:27 PMTrade Commiefornia for Alberta and Saskatchewan. That guarantees the presidency and congress never fall into democRAT hands again.Nah man, keep that hellhole in the 50...51 (52?) and lure all its productive workers north. They do exist, just ask Erica.
For Canada, it guarantees it's collapse.
That way you get to keep a warm water port on the west of the continent (useful for trade with East China (I'm sorry, "Taiwan") as well as a bigass turkeyshoot range for all the assholes who think they can hop the fence and start shitting out babies in return for a green card.
If you're gonna bail any states, fuck off hellholes like Oregon and Washington. Gets rid of most of the ANTIFA fags and Ottawa will sing their praises as new blood against the Nazis anyway.
THERE'S your "pure Win!"
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- Today at 12:24:03 AMQuote from: Shen Li on April 30, 2025, 08:28:57 PMI don't favour Alberta and Saskatchewan becoming a landlocked indie republic unless it is a stepping stone to statehood. Canada will not work with an indie Alberta out of spite.They aren't working with them now, so what's the difference?
...wait for it...waaait for it....
Ahh yeah, the blood money "equalization" payments become a thing of the past. w00t!
Quote from: Shen Li on April 30, 2025, 08:28:57 PMMaybe an Alberta and Saskatchewan free Canada can try to coax California, Oregon and Washington State to join Canada. Win win all around.Better idea. It costs less to live in AB and SK than it does on Commiefornia, and a newly minted state(s) with unbridled opportunity in the energy sector will provide extra incentive for the "can-do" types to relocate.
Less people living in Commiefornia means less representation for Commiefornia in DC. Potentially more representation for Alberta and/or Saskatchewan in DC... if you're prepared to welcome a population increase and put them to work.
I can hear the REEEEEEEEEEEE from the left already.
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- Today at 12:10:03 AMQuote from: Herman on April 30, 2025, 03:53:38 PMToo many damned words for my barrel wash soaked brain.Then I'll break it down into byte sized chunks for you. You deal with as much as you can in one sitting and come back for the rest at your leisure.
Quote from: Herman on April 30, 2025, 03:53:38 PMYou aint a prairie fella, so I do not expect you to understand.I don't need to be a prairie fella, I have an ability to look at a situation and reduce it to its constituent components, making observations along the way and seeing how it works. Often I can draw comparisons between other examples and draw conclusions when I see similarities in prior examples. Not to be an ass about it, but my concentration span is such that I can worry away at a problem, sometimes for years to this end.
Quote from: Herman on April 30, 2025, 03:53:38 PMThis is about raising living standards to what resource rich jusrisdictions ought to be.Agreed. And I do not dispute that for the longest time Ottawa has stood in the way of that happening for the prairies, nor do I anticipate them getting out of the way of progress towards that end. The solution (and I think we are both in agreement here) is that Ottawa needs to be removed from the equation.
I also believe you are well aware that such a solution is going to be a difficult undertaking. Your concentration span may not match mine, but you are certainly no dummy.
Quote from: Herman on April 30, 2025, 03:53:38 PMI live close to North Dakota and I go there a few times a year. They are a lot richer than Alberta and Saskatchewan. We want that shit. Hell, about seventy percent of folks in rural and small town Saskatchewan want out of Canada because they say it aint worth it anymore.
Some think we can go it alone with Alberta and others think the best way to get the wealthy life we deserve is by becoming a US state.
All of this I understand. I also understand that in order to become a US state, you must first secure your independence from Canada by referendum and that its outcome must necessarily be honoured by your elected officials, both at the provincial and federal levels.
Ottawa is unlikely to let its richest cash cows go easily. SK's and AB's mineral resources I imagine have been earmarked for China and at no profit for the citizenry. Ottawa (I lived there for 8 years) is corrupt as hell and very likely will buy off the necessary provincial politicians to stymie any referenda. You mention Wexit; I draw your attention to the UK's Brexit and the amount of bullshit the UK went through in the attempt to unshackle them from the EU.
I say "attempt" because effectively the UK's government is largely behaving at they were still part of the EU, especially in terms of immigration.
Quote from: Herman on April 30, 2025, 03:53:38 PMThis is different than anything I have ever seen in my fifty seven years. Alberta in only twenty four hours has enough signatures to trigger a referendum question. And that is without a frickin leader of the Wexit movement.You also have an even greater danger of moving too slowly. Part of the reason Ottawa is still treating you like shit is because they believe they can kick the can down the road long enough so that you run out of puff and/or they can undermine enough of your provincial executive so that your secession falls in a screaming heap as Quebec's did. Also, you have three and a half years before the loudest voice for your annexation (ie: Donald Trump) is no longer in office... and even less time for your annexation to take place in to give him ample bragging rights time. I hear you when you say you need time to get your own ducks in a row, but you are working against the clock.
The danger we have in both provinces is moving too fast. We have to get this organized in both provinces and find a leader to articulate our side. Build the movement, define what we wants and how we will get there. Define how the separation will take place. Present it all to members of Congress as well.
With all of this said, I don't think you can do it. I understand that you want it to happen, I agree that it ought to happen, but you need to act a lot more quickly than you are prepared to in order to become a US state.
I want you to prove me wrong. Not in word, but in deed. Get your secession done and dusted ASAP, with or without Alberta and get yourself into a position where you can then decide if the US offer to join is both valid and a going concern. It will be hard to do, but I will be one of the millions cheering for you when your success is assured.
Posted by Herman
- April 30, 2025, 11:57:27 PMQuote from: Shen Li on April 30, 2025, 08:28:57 PMI just want to say I wonn't live in Alberta again or anywhere else in North America.Trade Commiefornia for Alberta and Saskatchewan. That guarantees the presidency and congress never fall into democRAT hands again.
I want my investments in Alberta dollarized. I believe Prez Trump might make that part of his offer to Alberta.
Beyond that, becoming a US state just makes sense. Canada is a giant anchor tied to Alberta. Ottawa will not let my former province reach it's full potential the way Texas, Alaska and North Dakota are allowed to develop. A vote against becoming a US state is a vote against prosperity.
I don't favour Alberta and Saskatchewan becoming a landlocked indie republic unless it is a stepping stone to statehood. Canada will not work with an indie Alberta out of spite.
Maybe an Alberta and Saskatchewan free Canada can try to coax California, Oregon and Washington State to join Canada. Win win all around.
For Canada, it guarantees it's collapse.
Posted by Shen Li
- April 30, 2025, 08:28:57 PMI just want to say I wonn't live in Alberta again or anywhere else in North America.
I want my investments in Alberta dollarized. I believe Prez Trump might make that part of his offer to Alberta.
Beyond that, becoming a US state just makes sense. Canada is a giant anchor tied to Alberta. Ottawa will not let my former province reach it's full potential the way Texas, Alaska and North Dakota are allowed to develop. A vote against becoming a US state is a vote against prosperity.
I don't favour Alberta and Saskatchewan becoming a landlocked indie republic unless it is a stepping stone to statehood. Canada will not work with an indie Alberta out of spite.
Maybe an Alberta and Saskatchewan free Canada can try to coax California, Oregon and Washington State to join Canada. Win win all around.
I want my investments in Alberta dollarized. I believe Prez Trump might make that part of his offer to Alberta.
Beyond that, becoming a US state just makes sense. Canada is a giant anchor tied to Alberta. Ottawa will not let my former province reach it's full potential the way Texas, Alaska and North Dakota are allowed to develop. A vote against becoming a US state is a vote against prosperity.
I don't favour Alberta and Saskatchewan becoming a landlocked indie republic unless it is a stepping stone to statehood. Canada will not work with an indie Alberta out of spite.
Maybe an Alberta and Saskatchewan free Canada can try to coax California, Oregon and Washington State to join Canada. Win win all around.
Posted by Shen Li
- April 30, 2025, 08:17:20 PMQuote from: Oliver the Second on April 30, 2025, 06:22:36 PMBuy stock in flag manufacturers, we're gonna need a whole bunch of new ones with 51 stars!I hope so Ollie.
Posted by Oliver the Second
- April 30, 2025, 06:22:36 PMBuy stock in flag manufacturers, we're gonna need a whole bunch of new ones with 51 stars!
Posted by Eggward
- April 30, 2025, 04:20:46 PMOld Herman isn't very bright. Farmers in the USA are suffering. The tariffs are killing them. Herman is already struggling with his hobby farm. If his province became a part of USA he would go bankrupt.
Posted by Herman
- April 30, 2025, 04:09:51 PMI think old Oliver, Lokmar, the Professor, Dove, Biggie, Renegade and Stu would be happy to have a new combined Alberta/Saskatchewan state.
We could use it's historical name when they were one, North West Territory. If we get quick statehood, we could be called West Canada or Alberta since they have most of the population.
We could use it's historical name when they were one, North West Territory. If we get quick statehood, we could be called West Canada or Alberta since they have most of the population.
Posted by Herman
- April 30, 2025, 03:57:11 PMQuote from: DKG on April 30, 2025, 10:09:22 AMOf course not. A bride does not knowingly choose an abusive husband.
Posted by Herman
- April 30, 2025, 03:53:38 PMQuote from: . on April 30, 2025, 03:39:17 AMHeh, yeah a highly generous arrangement and one that's unlikely to happen now, isn't it? Why, with the exchange rate between the nations being like it is at present, a dollar for dollar exchange would be effectively increasing the worth of Albertans' wealth over one third. I imagine non Albertans would be scrambling to see how they might take advantage of such generosity, at the very least those with a passing understanding of economics... and the current 50 states would be almost universal in their condemnation of what is, on the face of it, a welfare handout for those residents of the former province. Shit, you'd likely see investors cashing out of US investment in droves, registering in Alberta and buying up big ahead of the exchange, leading to massive market instability and all that goes with.Too many damned words for my barrel wash soaked brain.
So no, the deal would fall through on that condition alone. Trump isn't your average democrat, he's not going to fuck with the worth of Alberta to that extent. It would rank as one of the more grossly irresponsible financial arrangements any president has authored if he did.
And that's before he sends in the troops to protect the United States newest investment... for which he would be receiving not a single penny of income tax. I don't doubt that Albertans would jump at such an arrangement, it is a sweetheart deal for them one third richer, no income tax and a military upgrade into the bargain! And (accordingly) one that is highly unlikely to be tabled by the US. Alberta simply isn't that important to them... but it doesn't hurt to give the leftie media something to scream about by pretending that it is.
Albertans ought to be thinking of this more along the lines of how one acts when looking to secure a financial loan from a bank; namely proving they don't need the contract in order to secure it. The best way I can see to do that is to prepare to "go it alone" as it were. Shutter the borders and declare independence - there goes the euqaliztion blood money for starters. You raise the spectre of the need for an armed force; a "well regulated armed militia" in the style of what the US's founding fathers envisaged would be a start and certainly earn the respect of diehard 2A supporters to the south. Especially once you start enforcing your sovereignty at your borders, which will be another thing they will cheer. Stockpiling freshly liberated crude and making it known you were prepared to sell it to US interests (in whatever currency the province is prepared to adopt) would also go a long ways towards commending your inclusion in the US pantheon, as a territory at least, if not a fully fledged state.
That sort of thinking will get you a lot further towards statehood I think you'll find. Simply saying "we have oil" and sticking out your hand for "gimmedats" isn't enough. The US has oil too and it can get at it with a lot less heartache and effort than arbitrarily annexing Canadian territory. But I can see a path towards the goal, if not a genuine willingness at the provincial level to undertake it. If Alberta were to cease being Canadian territory and become a nation in its own right, I can see a shift from someone like Trump from merely saying "we'll annex Alberta" to get a rise out of politicians hostile to his administration in favour of genuine negotiations to make it a reality.
Just the way I see it, mind you. You want statehood? Prepare to think more like an American and make it happen. They will welcome you with open arms then.
You aint a prairie fella, so I do not expect you to understand. This is about raising living standards to what resource rich jusrisdictions ought to be.
I live close to North Dakota and I go there a few times a year. They are a lot richer than Alberta and Saskatchewan. We want that shit. Hell, about seventy percent of folks in rural and small town Saskatchewan want out of Canada because they say it aint worth it anymore.
Some think we can go it alone with Alberta and others think the best way to get the wealthy life we deserve is by becoming a US state.
This is different than anything I have ever seen in my fifty seven years. Alberta in only twenty four hours has enough signatures to trigger a referendum question. And that is without a frickin leader of the Wexit movement.
The danger we have in both provinces is moving too fast. We have to get this organized in both provinces and find a leader to articulate our side. Build the movement, define what we wants and how we will get there. Define how the separation will take place. Present it all to members of Congress as well.
This is happening man. This is real.
Posted by Herman
- April 30, 2025, 03:44:21 PMQuote from: The Donald on April 30, 2025, 01:56:35 PMAccording to an Edison Research exit poll, 65 percent of your fellow American Indians voted for me.Eddie the Chug is one of them hand sanitizer addicted welfare Chugs. He don't care about prosperity the way some Chugs do.
Posted by The Donald
- April 30, 2025, 01:56:35 PMQuote from: Eggward on April 30, 2025, 10:26:38 AMYou were wrong about Poilievre winning the election and you are wrong about Alberta separating. You are wrong about a lot.According to an Edison Research exit poll, 65 percent of your fellow American Indians voted for me.
Posted by Eggward
- April 30, 2025, 01:08:30 PMI'll move to Alberta tomorrow just to vote no in the referendum and move back after it is over.
Posted by Thiel
- April 30, 2025, 12:47:10 PMQuote from: Brent on April 30, 2025, 11:53:42 AMThe PQ is favoured to win the next election in Quebec. They are promising another independence referendum in 2027.Quebec has never been serious about independence. The average Quebec independence supporter believes they will still get wealth transfers from Canada if they separate.
Quebec will not separate. They have a good deal in confederation at Western Canada's expense. The same cannot be said for Alberta and Saskatchewan. They are more likely to leave than Quebec is.
Either way, Mark Carney will be facing a unity crisis worse than Jean Chretien did in the 1990's.
Prairie separation supporters are dead serious about no links to Canada. And they have the economy to be very wealthy as a US territory or state.
Alberta has the highest GDP per capita in Canada at $71,564. North Dakota with much less oil and natural gas comes in at $94,021. On top of this North Dakota has no state income tax and a much larger sovereign wealth fund than Alberta.
https://brilliantmaps.com/us-vs-canada-gdp-per-capita/
There can be no doubt that Alberta and Saskatchewan too will be much better off as American states than they currently are as Canadian provinces. This is what will determine if they exit Canada.
I should add that two of Canada's oil producing provinces leaving will help Mr Carney achieve his coveted Net Zero at any cost goal.