The NDP fell on it's own sword because of mismanagement & faulty party procedures. Its self evident that certain groups stacked the membership which allowed an unpopular leader to get elected.

They need massive reforms to ensure it doesn't happen again. Even their interim leader Don Davies would have been a better choice than Jagmeet Singh.

The NDP went from over 100 seats to less than 10 over the years. That's a 10 fold decrease in parliamentary representation.

ChatGPT estimates Albertans pay about $20 BILLION / year more to Ottawa than we get from Ottawa.   If Ottawa gave back that $20 Billion they take from us every year instead of transfers to Quebec, etc., then Alberta could cut personal tax rates to ZERO, with billions to spare!  This is like 9 US states (Texas, South Dakota, Wyoming, etc.) who do not have to subsidize the rest of a country.

Smith laid out exactly what Ottawa has done and why it can't continue.

✘ Pipelines blocked and major energy projects cancelled by Ottawa
✘ Carbon taxes and production caps driving investment out of Alberta
✘ Net-zero power mandates putting Alberta's grid at risk
✘ New federal rules and taxes punishing farmers and ranchers
✘ Interference in healthcare, child care, and other provincial services
✘ Courts ignored and the Constitution pushed aside

Premier Smith made one thing clear — Alberta didn't pick this fight, but we will finish it and come out of it stronger and more prosperous than ever.

Quote from: . on May 07, 2025, 04:37:38 AMThe NDP did lose a fair bit of support in the last election though. I assumed it was partly a function of NDP voters recognizing their party couldn't make the nut at the federal level and that they anticipated the liberals were about to be handed their asses too. That was certainly the sentiment in Ottawa around 2015, I know a few NDP supporters that dropped Angry Tommy to throw cast their vote for Trudeaup.

I'd be interested to see if buyers remorse shifts MB sentiment towards secession, particularly after Carnage's recent White House meeting with Trump. Guaranteed access to international waters would be teriffic, especially when it comes to oil exports, so having Manitoba on board would be ideal. But it's not a dealbreaker if you don't get it. I should think even in the absence of formal inclusion into the union you'd still be able to get some decent trade deals going with the US, far superior than the ones you currently enjoy with Canada at any rate... and being included in the US improves matters immeasurably.

The NDP collapsed across Canada. Their seven seats do not even give them official party status. The Green Party vote was down too.

That is terrible news for the Conservatives if Canada becomes a two party state with all the leftists under the Liberal tent. In a centre-left country like Canada, the corrupt Liberals are a permanent governing party.

Quote from: Herman on May 05, 2025, 07:07:19 PMThe Southern suburbs of Winnipeg down to the US border are prairie conservatives. There is widespread support for leaving Canada.

The rest of the province is NDP/Liberal. It's too bad because all of Manitoba would give us access to international waters.

The NDP did lose a fair bit of support in the last election though. I assumed it was partly a function of NDP voters recognizing their party couldn't make the nut at the federal level and that they anticipated the liberals were about to be handed their asses too. That was certainly the sentiment in Ottawa around 2015, I know a few NDP supporters that dropped Angry Tommy to throw cast their vote for Trudeaup.

I'd be interested to see if buyers remorse shifts MB sentiment towards secession, particularly after Carnage's recent White House meeting with Trump. Guaranteed access to international waters would be teriffic, especially when it comes to oil exports, so having Manitoba on board would be ideal. But it's not a dealbreaker if you don't get it. I should think even in the absence of formal inclusion into the union you'd still be able to get some decent trade deals going with the US, far superior than the ones you currently enjoy with Canada at any rate... and being included in the US improves matters immeasurably.

The US will soon be bordering 2 third world countries.

QuoteManitoba's distribution of numbers were the closest, however if they could be convinced to jump ship with Alberta and Saskatchewan, there would at the very least address the issue of the fledgeling nation being otherwise landlocked. @Herman could probably tell you how likely or unlikely such a flip would be; he's the closest geographically currently posting here and might be able to inform us on any public sentiment the Canadian media is letting go unreported.

The Southern suburbs of Winnipeg down to the US border are prairie conservatives. There is widespread support for leaving Canada.

The rest of the province is NDP/Liberal. It's too bad because all of Manitoba would give us access to international waters.

Quote from: Lokmar on May 04, 2025, 01:35:34 PMI hold out hope that cucks will eventually get fed up and elect a Trump type.

It was largely because of Trump that Canada found itself with a liberal government. You might be familiar with the parochial rivalries between the two nations; well Poilievre was actually enjoying popularity which all but assured the conservatives victory... right up until the tariffs were put in place to force revised trade agreements. That's when they started to flip on the back of a bunch of scaremongering from the liberals, most notably in the eastern provinces.

The conservatives did see an upward swing of support over 2021, but at the end of the day it wasn't enough; the libtards also garnered an upswing of support too, much of it at the expense of the NDP (progtards) who have suffered a massive drop in popularity. Canada employs a "first past the post" system (which Trudeaup ran on a platform of removing in 2015) and with 200 of Canada's 343 electoral districts being located in Ontario and Quebec, pretty much whatever happens there drags the rest of the country along for the ride. Only Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba came out in support of a conservative government. Manitoba's distribution of numbers were the closest, however if they could be convinced to jump ship with Alberta and Saskatchewan, there would at the very least address the issue of the fledgeling nation being otherwise landlocked. @Herman could probably tell you how likely or unlikely such a flip would be; he's the closest geographically currently posting here and might be able to inform us on any public sentiment the Canadian media is letting go unreported.

A side note, I notice Australia's recent election seems to have fallen to libtard interests too. I was surprised to learn that actually, but it seems their conservative coalition (the senior party of which is called the Liberal party, go figure) fell victim to what I can only describe as pants-wetting terror that they might have been considered white supreme pizzas. While the lesser represented of the coalition's two parties barely lost a seat, the Liberal party got decimated... meaning four more years of Labour and its clown prince Anal running things into the ground.

The coalition is weak as piss though, and the guy heading it (Peter Dutton) a complete nerd. In fact he reminds me of Devin Townshend's Ziltoid the Omniscient (also a nerd). And yet, just like his Canadian counterpart, he was crushing it... right up to the point when Trump said "fuck this tariff imbalance shit, the US is getting screwed". Hey, I'm not blaming the guy, the US has been paying for the rest of the world to have a good time for how long now? And it's not like Canada's or Australia's press is in the habit of giving The Don honest representations of his effectiveness as a world leader. This is the result.

I suspect the US would be best to seek out new friends. Strong friends, ones that show true grit and a willingness to stand on their own two feet instead of whining for handouts. Javier Milei springs to mind. It is increasingly apparent to me her traditional allies are being brainwashed into rampant libtardism, possibly in an attempt to cancel the world's premier superpower and its peoples for the heinous crime of Wrongthink... for demanding the kinds of autonomy and self determination that your average globalist is haram. "Just do as we tell you, helpless victim; your government will provide you all that it deems you need."

Quote from: Lokmar on May 04, 2025, 01:35:34 PMI hold out hope that cucks will eventually get fed up and elect a Trump type.

Don't hold your breath.

It would be like California electing a populist like Ron Desantis as governor. Neither will ever happen.

I hold out hope that cucks will eventually get fed up and elect a Trump type.

Quote from: Herman on May 04, 2025, 01:45:14 AMCanada's democracy is all bullshit. All we do is cast a vote affirming the elite's agenda.

Prairie separation might be good for the rest of Canada too. As the country turns into a third world hole after the two provinces leave, the people in the rest of Canada who are not rich and who do work for a living will inevitably turn on the prog elite establishment.

Canada's democracy is all bullshit. All we do is cast a vote affirming the elite's agenda.