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Title: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on December 27, 2020, 02:10:27 PM

Electric cars will never fully replace internal combusion engines. Other things, like hydrogen, perhaps. But, we don't have the land, the time, the disposal space for old batteries, and the pollution that goes along with it. Finally, we'll run out of rare earth metals for e-vehicles long before we will fossil fuels.

"Fast" charging is a gift that keeps on taking up your time.

https://spectator.org/electric-vehicle-battery/?fbclid=IwAR0c9gDPOFtc2VuzbpuGvXJTnxng7T4Tbj-Ugm3kH3S5VBK27N3N6vwL9HQ

Would you wait 15 minutes to get a fast-food hamburger?

Electric cars will make you wait longer. This includes even those touted as being capable of receiving a "fast" charge in 15 minutes or so. Because you'll have to wait for the car plugged in ahead of you to "fast" charge.

This assumes you're second in line. If you're third ...

Well, they'll just install more places to plug in. It is not as easy as it sounds because of the problem in physics of two objects not being able to occupy the same space at the same time. To achieve the same capacity to charge as many electric cars as a gas station is capable of refueling in an hour, it would be necessary to at least quintuple the physical size of the charging station to compensate for the quintupling of the time it takes to recharge each electric vehicle (EV) versus the time it takes to refuel a non-electric car.

At a gas station, a car occupies its spot at the pump for about five minutes; thus, in 15 minutes it is possible for a single pump to refuel three cars. But if it takes 15 minutes to recharge a single EV, it would take two more places to plug in — and the space for those additional two cars — to equal the throughput capability of the gas station's single pump.

Well, they'll figure out a way to reduce recharging time so it's about the same as the time it takes to gas up a non-electric car. The problem there is that the faster you recharge a battery, the more you reduce its life — and increase the odds of a fire.

There is a reason why you trickle charge batteries — if possible.

This is usually not a problem — with lawn mower batteries, for example — because you have the time to wait. But it's a problem with electric car batteries, if you don't like to wait. Unless you don't mind risking a fire. Or reducing the useful life of the battery — which costs a great deal more to replace than a lawn mower battery.

These batteries — EV batteries — are also enormous, mainly because people expect an EV to duplicate (at least) the performance capabilities of a non-electric car. To do that requires about 1,000 pounds of batteries on average, which increases by several orders of magnitude the demand for the raw materials that go into batteries. More energy is also required to make the batteries, the materials for which are among the least renewable things on the market.

You have probably heard of "peak oil." We have been hearing about it for the past 60 years. You probably have not heard about "peak cobalt." Expect to hear about it — but probably not until after non-electric cars have been regulated off the market. The cost of electric cars is a function of the cost of cobalt — including the human cost of this unpleasant but necessary substance for EV batteries.

There's another problem, unique to things powered by electricity.

You cannot just pour in electricity, as you do with gasoline. Electricity doesn't sit ready to go in storage tanks, underneath the pumps. It has to be transmitted as demanded — via cables from the generating source — and this requires cables of much greater capacity than your household extension cord.

This is why it is not possible to "fast" charge an EV at most private homes. You can reduce the waiting time from eight or more hours but not to 15 minutes. Not without upgrading your house to commercial-grade electric capacity.

And then there's that increased risk of burning your house down.

And a word about "fast" charging — which even where feasible is only partial charging. You cannot fully "refill" a battery quickly — as you can fully refuel a non-electric car's tank.

Which means more frequent charging.

Which, in turn, compounds the throughput problem as well as the charge-capacity and fire-potential problems, when you have all those electric cars recharging in a hurry, more frequently.

And losing their capacity to be recharged more quickly — the more often they are "fast" charged.

These are basic EV facts, but most people aren't aware of them.

You are being sold on something you probably wouldn't buy, if you knew what you were buying. EV pushers want you to think you are buying something else — something that makes sense. But if that were the case, why don't they give you all the facts?

That they don't ought to give you a moment's pause.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Zetsu on December 27, 2020, 03:40:10 PM

I used to like EV, but the disadvantages just scared me away.

Another way most ppl ruin a EV battery's charge capacity is fully charging it and not driving it, the problem with lithium batteries is at under full charge they get stressed up under a heavy energy load and will deteriorate the chemical compound inside.

Another issue is during the winter heating the cabin takes up a lot of juice from the batteries, and can reduce the travel distance per full charge by 1/4 to 1/2, lol.

Not to mention they're so damn heavy for their size, which makes them horrible for off-road.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on December 27, 2020, 03:44:34 PM

~~Quote from: Zetsu post_id=395525 time=1609101610 user_id=61~~
I used to like EV, but the disadvantages just scared me away.

Another way most ppl ruin a EV battery is fully charging it and not driving it, the problem with lithium batteries is at under full charge they get stressed up under a heavy energy load and will deteriorate the chemical compound inside.

Another issue is during the winter heating the cabin takes up a lot of juice from the batteries, and can reduce the travel distance per full charge by 1/4 to 1/2, lol.

Not to mention they're so damn heavy for their size, which makes them horrible for off-road.

I didn't know that Zetsu..

I do know they're not really suited for our cold prairie climate.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Zetsu on December 27, 2020, 03:48:14 PM

Honestly the only good reason to purchase an EV is if people plan to use it for short travels to places like the local supermarket, due to ICEs don't do too well traveling less than 10km or turning off the engine before it reaches their optimal operating temperatures.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Zetsu on December 27, 2020, 03:55:24 PM

~~Quote from: Fashionista post_id=395528 time=1609101874 user_id=3254~~
~~Quote from: Zetsu post_id=395525 time=1609101610 user_id=61~~
I used to like EV, but the disadvantages just scared me away.

Another way most ppl ruin a EV battery is fully charging it and not driving it, the problem with lithium batteries is at under full charge they get stressed up under a heavy energy load and will deteriorate the chemical compound inside.

Another issue is during the winter heating the cabin takes up a lot of juice from the batteries, and can reduce the travel distance per full charge by 1/4 to 1/2, lol.

Not to mention they're so damn heavy for their size, which makes them horrible for off-road.

I didn't know that Zetsu..

I do know they're not really suited for our cold prairie climate.

If any one have expensive gadgets like phones and ultrabook laptop, it's best not to full charge if they'll be left in storage conditions, ideal charge level would be between 30% for storage, but better to be at 50% since charge/voltage levels can drop each month, and once it reaches zero charge or the voltage reverse to negative the battery will be ruined. This is the problem with lith batteries, can't full charge if they won't be used and never leave them fully depleted.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on December 27, 2020, 04:11:28 PM

~~Quote from: Zetsu post_id=395529 time=1609102094 user_id=61~~
Honestly the only good reason to purchase an EV is if people plan to use it for short travels to places like the local supermarket, due to ICEs don't do too well traveling less than 10km or turning off the engine before it reaches their optimal operating temperatures.

A hybrid makes more sense than an EV.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on December 27, 2020, 07:20:32 PM

~~Quote from: Fashionista post_id=395531 time=1609103488 user_id=3254~~
~~Quote from: Zetsu post_id=395529 time=1609102094 user_id=61~~
Honestly the only good reason to purchase an EV is if people plan to use it for short travels to places like the local supermarket, due to ICEs don't do too well traveling less than 10km or turning off the engine before it reaches their optimal operating temperatures.

A hybrid makes more sense than an EV.

There's a woman working out of my terminal that drives a Malibu hybrid. It makes no sound at low speeds.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on December 27, 2020, 07:39:14 PM

~~Quote from: "iron horse jockey" post_id=395555 time=1609114832 user_id=2015~~
~~Quote from: Fashionista post_id=395531 time=1609103488 user_id=3254~~
~~Quote from: Zetsu post_id=395529 time=1609102094 user_id=61~~
Honestly the only good reason to purchase an EV is if people plan to use it for short travels to places like the local supermarket, due to ICEs don't do too well traveling less than 10km or turning off the engine before it reaches their optimal operating temperatures.

A hybrid makes more sense than an EV.

There's a woman working out of my terminal that drives a Malibu hybrid. It makes no sound at low speeds.

I used to own a Chevrolet Malibu..

It was a gas engline, but it was a very reliable car.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Zetsu on December 27, 2020, 08:50:22 PM

~~Quote from: Fashionista post_id=395531 time=1609103488 user_id=3254~~
~~Quote from: Zetsu post_id=395529 time=1609102094 user_id=61~~
Honestly the only good reason to purchase an EV is if people plan to use it for short travels to places like the local supermarket, due to ICEs don't do too well traveling less than 10km or turning off the engine before it reaches their optimal operating temperatures.

A hybrid makes more sense than an EV.

Yea, how a hybrid works is most likely the best way to condition a lithium-ion battery. Small charges amount each time and never reaching zero or max charge level can extend it's life beyond the average numbers.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on December 28, 2020, 01:14:10 PM

~~Quote from: Zetsu post_id=395579 time=1609120222 user_id=61~~
~~Quote from: Fashionista post_id=395531 time=1609103488 user_id=3254~~
~~Quote from: Zetsu post_id=395529 time=1609102094 user_id=61~~
Honestly the only good reason to purchase an EV is if people plan to use it for short travels to places like the local supermarket, due to ICEs don't do too well traveling less than 10km or turning off the engine before it reaches their optimal operating temperatures.

A hybrid makes more sense than an EV.

Yea, how a hybrid works is most likely the best way to condition a lithium-ion battery. Small charges amount each time and never reaching zero or max charge level can extend it's life beyond the average numbers.

This is helpful information Zetsu.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on February 10, 2021, 07:48:29 PM

This comes from the hemp lobby. But, how is lithium mining to produce batteries superior to abundant natural gas.

The Spiraling Environmental Costs of Lithium Batteries Could Rival Fossil Fuel

https://returntonow.net/2021/02/09/the-spiraling-environmental-costs-of-lithium-batteries-could-rival-fossil-fuel/

As we move into the era of "renewable" electricity, let us remember that the minerals used to make the batteries, used to store that electricity, are not renewable... or recyclable.

And the number of batteries we are going to need to meet the electricity needs of 8 billion people (16 billion in 50 years or so at the current population doubling rate) is enormous.

Every electric car battery requires around 25 pounds of lithium. And renewable energy grid storage systems for our homes and workplaces will require much more. Every smartphone, tablet, laptop and other battery powered device is also reliant on the "white gold."

"Demand for lithium is increasing exponentially," Wired reports. It doubled between 2016 and 2018, and is expected to be 8 times higher by 2027.

And lithium "renews" itself just about as fast as fossil fuel.

Not only is lithium not an infinite resource, the process of extracting and "refining" it is wreaking havoc on the environment, not so unlike that caused by extracting and refining petroleum.

In Tibet, it is becoming commonplace to see masses of dead fish, yaks and cows floating downstream of a lithium mine on the Liqi River.

In Chile, a lithium mine in Salar de Atacama consumes 65% of the regional water supply in an area where many already had to get water driven in. Local quinoa and llama farmers are suffering.

And there's always the potential for toxic chemicals to leak from the lithium evaporation pools into the local drinking water supply.

Those chemicals include hydrochloric acid used to process lithium and heavy metals filtered out of the brine. Research in Nevada found impacts on fish as far as 150 miles downstream from a lithium processing operation.

And, although it's the most abundant, lithium isn't even the most problematic ingredient of lithium ion batteries.

Cobalt and nickel are quickly becoming the new "blood diamonds" of the Democratic Republic of Congo. Both are extremely toxic when pulled from the ground, often using child labor without protective equipment.

And, to top it all off, lithium-ion batteries are not recyclable, leaving their toxic contents to leach into landfills and ground water.

Sunshine, wind and water may be renewable resources, but without renewable materials to store the electricity they generate, we'll eventually run out of lithium, the same way we are running out fossil fuel.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Zetsu on February 10, 2021, 08:25:02 PM

I almost forgot another con about EVs is they weight like 40% more heavy than ICE based on the same size and are really bad for towing due to they can't make use of a transmission.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on February 10, 2021, 08:34:43 PM

~~Quote from: Zetsu post_id=401488 time=1613006702 user_id=61~~
I almost forgot another con about EVs is they weight like 40% more heavy than ICE based on the same size and are really bad for towing due to they can't make use of a transmission.

They have PRNDL, don't they?

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Zetsu on February 10, 2021, 08:39:16 PM

~~Quote from: Fashionista post_id=401491 time=1613007283 user_id=3254~~
~~Quote from: Zetsu post_id=401488 time=1613006702 user_id=61~~
I almost forgot another con about EVs is they weight like 40% more heavy than ICE based on the same size and are really bad for towing due to they can't make use of a transmission.

They have PRNDL, don't they?

I don't think they have such thing as a L gear since they have no transmission, the motor is just control electronically I assume like hobby RC cars, lol.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on February 10, 2021, 08:47:41 PM

~~Quote from: Zetsu post_id=401492 time=1613007556 user_id=61~~
~~Quote from: Fashionista post_id=401491 time=1613007283 user_id=3254~~
~~Quote from: Zetsu post_id=401488 time=1613006702 user_id=61~~
I almost forgot another con about EVs is they weight like 40% more heavy than ICE based on the same size and are really bad for towing due to they can't make use of a transmission.

They have PRNDL, don't they?

I don't think they have such thing as a L gear since they have no transmission, the motor is just control electronically I assume like hobby RC cars, lol.

:ohmy:

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on February 13, 2021, 08:11:03 PM

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Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on February 13, 2021, 09:27:56 PM

Did you read that Norway will be the first country to eliminate all gas-operating cars by 2025?

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on February 13, 2021, 09:30:58 PM

~~Quote from: @realAzhyaAryola post_id=402025 time=1613269676 user_id=73~~
Did you read that Norway will be the first country to eliminate all gas-operating cars by 2025?

It's actually low or no emissions.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on February 13, 2021, 09:33:33 PM

~~Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=402026 time=1613269858 user_id=56~~
~~Quote from: @realAzhyaAryola post_id=402025 time=1613269676 user_id=73~~
Did you read that Norway will be the first country to eliminate all gas-operating cars by 2025?

It's actually low or no emissions.

"From 2025, it will be illegal to sell new petrol or diesel cars in Norway. Various news outlets report that the country's four main political parties have reached an agreement on this radical measure. It would make Norway the first country in the world to completely ban the sale of cars powered by these fossil fuels."

https://www.fleeteurope.com/en/safety//article/norway-ban-new-fossil-fuel-cars-2025?a=FJA05&t%5B0%5D=Tesla&t%5B1%5D=CO2&t%5B2%5D=Fuel&curl=1#:~:text=From%202025%2C%20it%20will%20be,powered%20by%20these%20fossil%20fuels.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on February 13, 2021, 09:41:09 PM

I read something a little different than your source.

~~Quote~~By 2025 all new cars sold in Norway will be vehicles with low emissions or no emissions of greenhouse gases, as it says in the package with new climate regulation measures presented by Labor Party on Wednesday. By 2030 should almost all new cars be completely emission-free.

https://www.tnp.no/norway/panorama/5215-norway-to-get-rid-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2030

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on February 13, 2021, 09:46:37 PM

~~Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=402030 time=1613270469 user_id=56~~
I read something a little different than your source.

~~Quote~~By 2025 all new cars sold in Norway will be vehicles with low emissions or no emissions of greenhouse gases, as it says in the package with new climate regulation measures presented by Labor Party on Wednesday. By 2030 should almost all new cars be completely emission-free.

https://www.tnp.no/norway/panorama/5215-norway-to-get-rid-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2030

Whatever, Shen. So be it.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on February 13, 2021, 09:50:51 PM

Whether it is 2025 or 2030, I do not believe a cold country like Norway is going to only use electric vehicles. Even if they do quadruple or more power capabilities.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on February 13, 2021, 09:52:55 PM

~~Quote from: Herman post_id=402033 time=1613271051 user_id=1689~~
Whether it is 2025 or 2030, I do not believe a cold country like Norway is going to only use electric vehicles. Even if they do quadruple or more power capabilities.

I had my doubts too.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on February 13, 2021, 10:01:34 PM

~~Quote from: Herman post_id=402033 time=1613271051 user_id=1689~~
Whether it is 2025 or 2030, I do not believe a cold country like Norway is going to only use electric vehicles. Even if they do quadruple or more power capabilities.

Norway's whole C02 reduction plan is about using carbon credits, using their massive sovereign wealth fund. I expect that they'll still use gas and diesel and then invest in some tree planting scheme in the Amazon jungle and claim their car fleet is carbon neutral or some trickery like that.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on February 13, 2021, 10:09:35 PM

~~Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=402036 time=1613271694 user_id=56~~
~~Quote from: Herman post_id=402033 time=1613271051 user_id=1689~~
Whether it is 2025 or 2030, I do not believe a cold country like Norway is going to only use electric vehicles. Even if they do quadruple or more power capabilities.

Norway's whole C02 reduction plan is about using carbon credits, using their massive sovereign wealth fund. I expect that they'll still use gas and diesel and then invest in some tree planting scheme in the Amazon jungle and claim their car fleet is carbon neutral or some trickery like that.

Well then if there is trickery, there is fuckery. ac_toofunny

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on February 13, 2021, 10:21:00 PM

I find it hard to believe that if the old lady and I go to Norway in just nine short years, there will not be any internal combustion engine vehicles in that country. To quote AA, there will be "fuckery" with how they arrive at zero emissons.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on February 15, 2021, 02:29:11 PM

The dark red throughout this map of TX wholesale electricity prices means that electricity is selling for $9000 a MWH, which is $9 a KWH. If you had to pay these prices to fill up your 100 KWH Tesla battery, it would cost $900.

Remember this next time you hear "wind is cheap."

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: cc on February 15, 2021, 03:17:47 PM

I understand there are a great many problems in dealing with an electic powered auto, battery disposal, limits on materials to manufacture them etc.

Those are mainly user problems. You buy one, you own it and it's shortcomings

Herman's OP gives many reasons against the concept which add to the stupidity of the entire issue which I will pontificate on as follows

Vehicles Themselves:

What I find unethical & sickening is that govts subsidize them .. first they subsidized research and development or they never would have happened. Second cars themselves are subsidized even today, long after the high cost of startup of new technology.

Certainly anything cannot that pay its own way / support itself within a reasonable time period has no right to exist

Power Grids:

The more of them, the more upgrading of all power lines and related components is required = further public subsidy on top of the above 2 subsidies by people who gain zero benefit from it. (Subsidy #3)

Users:

As they are costly even for those silly mini death traps, Jore and Jane Public don't buy them .. yet are subsidizing others with high incomes

My Point Again:

Certainly anything that cannot pay its own way / support itself without public subsidy within a reasonable time period has no right to exist

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on February 15, 2021, 03:22:11 PM

We just aint got the land, or the natural resources to electrify all cars. It is a prog fantasy.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: cc on February 15, 2021, 03:23:50 PM

yes, fantasy it is .. and unethical that the public pays to support it

Ultimately, after trillions of $ peed away, the whole thing will come crashing down (for which you posted many further technical and practical reasons)

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on February 15, 2021, 03:33:50 PM

~~Quote from: cc post_id=402329 time=1613420630 user_id=88~~
yes, fantasy it is .. and unethical that the public pays to support it

Ultimately, after trillions of $ peed away, the whole thing will come crashing down (for which you posted many further technical and practical reasons)

Our solutions to the climate emergency mean making some people like Musk super rich at the expense of blue collar folks. I am pissed off too ceec.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on February 16, 2021, 05:14:38 PM

An electric car would be useless in this cold.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on February 22, 2021, 03:39:01 PM

~~Quote from: Velvet post_id=402425 time=1613513678 user_id=2021~~
An electric car would be useless in this cold.

Exactly. You nailed it.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on February 22, 2021, 03:39:30 PM

~~Quote from: Herman post_id=402047 time=1613272860 user_id=1689~~
I find it hard to believe that if the old lady and I go to Norway in just nine short years, there will not be any internal combustion engine vehicles in that country. To quote AA, there will be "fuckery" with how they arrive at zero emissons.

ac_toofunny

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on February 22, 2021, 06:22:30 PM

~~Quote from: Velvet post_id=402425 time=1613513678 user_id=2021~~
An electric car would be useless in this cold.

I wouldn't mind a hybrid.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Gaon on February 23, 2021, 12:40:10 AM

I feel sorry for anybody in Texas who owns an electric vehicle.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on February 23, 2021, 01:21:14 AM

~~Quote from: Gaon post_id=403221 time=1614058810 user_id=3170~~
I feel sorry for anybody in Texas who owns an electric vehicle.

I hadn't thought about that.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on July 03, 2021, 01:16:17 AM

When electric vehicles burn, they really burn.

Man buys top-of-line Tesla — and 3 days later becomes trapped as it catches fire during drive and burns to the ground

https://www.theblaze.com/news/man-trapped-tesla-catches-fire?utm_source=theblaze-dailyPM&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Daily-Newsletter__PM%202021-07-02&utm_term=ACTIVE%20LIST%20-%20TheBlaze%20Daily%20PM

A man's Tesla Model S Plaid electric car burst into flames on Tuesday while he was driving, Reuters reported — and the fire broke out just three days after the man took delivery of the top-of-the-line Tesla.

Mark Geragos, an attorney for the driver — identified only as an "executive entrepreneur" — said his client was driving when he noticed smoke, and soon, fire.

Geragos told the news agency that his client was initially unable to free himself from the vehicle as the flames shot across the vehicle because its electronic door system failed.

The man instead had to "use force to push it open" and was eventually able to extricate himself from the vehicle, which quickly erupted in a "fireball."

"The car continued to move for about 35 feet to 40 feet ... before turning into a 'fireball' in a residential area near the owner's Pennsylvania home," Reuters reported.

"It was a harrowing and horrifying experience," Geragos said in a statement. "This is a brand-new model. ... We are doing an investigation. We are calling for the S Plaid to be grounded, not to be on the road until we get to the bottom of this."

Insider reported that in a since-deleted post, Pennsylvania's Gladwyne Volunteer Fire Company took to Facebook where it stated that first responders "kept water flowing to the battery pack for close to 90 minutes to cool it down."

According to CNBC, two crews of firefighters worked at the scene for over three hours dealing with the fire.

A pattern seems to be emerging in recent years with regard to Teslas catching fire, as its lithium ion battery pack — which is on the underside of the vehicle — can easily overheat following collisions. Teslas, unfortunately, have also spontaneously burst into flames on occasion even when the vehicle isn't being driven.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on July 03, 2021, 12:53:40 PM

I heard it was hard to extinguish a battery fire.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on July 03, 2021, 03:00:26 PM

~~Quote from: Herman post_id=415045 time=1625289377 user_id=1689~~
When electric vehicles burn, they really burn.

Man buys top-of-line Tesla — and 3 days later becomes trapped as it catches fire during drive and burns to the ground

https://www.theblaze.com/news/man-trapped-tesla-catches-fire?utm_source=theblaze-dailyPM&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Daily-Newsletter__PM%202021-07-02&utm_term=ACTIVE%20LIST%20-%20TheBlaze%20Daily%20PM

A man's Tesla Model S Plaid electric car burst into flames on Tuesday while he was driving, Reuters reported — and the fire broke out just three days after the man took delivery of the top-of-the-line Tesla.

Mark Geragos, an attorney for the driver — identified only as an "executive entrepreneur" — said his client was driving when he noticed smoke, and soon, fire.

Geragos told the news agency that his client was initially unable to free himself from the vehicle as the flames shot across the vehicle because its electronic door system failed.

The man instead had to "use force to push it open" and was eventually able to extricate himself from the vehicle, which quickly erupted in a "fireball."

"The car continued to move for about 35 feet to 40 feet ... before turning into a 'fireball' in a residential area near the owner's Pennsylvania home," Reuters reported.

"It was a harrowing and horrifying experience," Geragos said in a statement. "This is a brand-new model. ... We are doing an investigation. We are calling for the S Plaid to be grounded, not to be on the road until we get to the bottom of this."

Insider reported that in a since-deleted post, Pennsylvania's Gladwyne Volunteer Fire Company took to Facebook where it stated that first responders "kept water flowing to the battery pack for close to 90 minutes to cool it down."

According to CNBC, two crews of firefighters worked at the scene for over three hours dealing with the fire.

A pattern seems to be emerging in recent years with regard to Teslas catching fire, as its lithium ion battery pack — which is on the underside of the vehicle — can easily overheat following collisions. Teslas, unfortunately, have also spontaneously burst into flames on occasion even when the vehicle isn't being driven.

These fires are not isolated incidents.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: cc on July 03, 2021, 03:05:04 PM

~~Quote from: Fashionista post_id=415062 time=1625331220 user_id=3254~~
I heard it was hard to extinguish a battery fire.

From several incidents in the news I have seen it takes several hours of high volume water flow to cool them so they will not burn

I'm guessin many areas cannot drain off that kind of flow ... a condo or office building underground could be a catastrophe .. not to mention the deadly fumes and waste of water

Newer ones are 800 volts and rescuers need to know if ignition is off and it is not shorted to body to rescue people, as they could be electrocuted by touching vehicle with their feet of course on the ground

Electric vehicles mean first responders have to deal with battery fires (//https)

Electric vehicle batteries can reignite even after the fire is put out - They don't just burn paint and interior, they can eat the car itself

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Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on July 03, 2021, 03:39:05 PM

Look at that.

E-cars present all kinds of new challenges for the environment, our ability to produce enough power, resource depletion, and now safety.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Frood on July 04, 2021, 08:57:42 AM

Electric cars are a misnomer about efficiency and reliability... until they can self charge by PV cells, and quickly, there's absolutely no reason to have them.

They're dirty, limited, and unreliable...

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Gaon on July 04, 2021, 01:37:39 PM

There are a lot of myths about electric cars. The first one is that have a small environmental impact.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: cc on July 05, 2021, 09:25:53 PM

Economical and pollution free

https://twitter.com/RobertELBowman/status/1412033285232934915

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on July 05, 2021, 09:44:12 PM

~~Quote from: cc post_id=415177 time=1625534753 user_id=88~~
Economical and pollution free

https://twitter.com/RobertELBowman/status/1412033285232934915

Libtards suck at math.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on July 06, 2021, 04:02:36 PM

~~Quote from: cc post_id=415177 time=1625534753 user_id=88~~
Economical and pollution free

https://twitter.com/RobertELBowman/status/1412033285232934915

Aint that frickin nuts.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on July 07, 2021, 12:38:44 AM

~~[media]~~https://www.facebook.com/PierrePoilievreMP/videos/231074202195670[/media]

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Thiel on July 07, 2021, 01:42:41 AM

~~Quote from: Herman post_id=415289 time=1625632724 user_id=1689~~
~~[media]~~https://www.facebook.com/PierrePoilievreMP/videos/231074202195670[/media]

A good interview from someone who should be the leader of his party.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: cc on July 07, 2021, 12:51:49 PM

~~Quote from: Thiel post_id=415295 time=1625636561 user_id=1688~~
~~Quote from: Herman post_id=415289 time=1625632724 user_id=1689~~
~~[media]~~https://www.facebook.com/PierrePoilievreMP/videos/231074202195670[/media]

A good interview from someone who should be the leader of his party.

I was greatly disappointed when he chose to not run for leader

Having heard him speak before, I had thought he would run for sure

He is what is needed

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on July 07, 2021, 01:02:24 PM

~~Quote from: cc post_id=415324 time=1625676709 user_id=88~~
~~Quote from: Thiel post_id=415295 time=1625636561 user_id=1688~~
~~Quote from: Herman post_id=415289 time=1625632724 user_id=1689~~
~~[media]~~https://www.facebook.com/PierrePoilievreMP/videos/231074202195670[/media]

A good interview from someone who should be the leader of his party.

I was greatly disappointed when he chose to not run for leader

Having heard him speak before, I had thought he would run for sure

He is what is needed

He would have defeated McKay and O'Toole too. It is so strange the way he dropped out of the leadership race.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on July 13, 2021, 03:52:36 PM

As China's new energy vehicle production grows rapidly, with half of global production now coming from China, the huge amount of retired batteries could bring "disastrous" environmental problems and "explosive pollution," says state-owned media Xinhua.

According to Xinhua, the cumulative retired batteries in China will had reached 200,000 tons (about 25 GWh) in 2020 and will grow to 780,000 tons (about 116 GWh) by 2025.

However, more than half of the retired batteries are not recycled via proper channels, but are "snapped up" by unqualified small factories that don't invest much in environmental protection, the report says.

Generally speaking, the service life of new energy vehicle batteries is about 5-8 years. If the retired batteries are not properly disposed of, they will bring disastrous pollution to the environment, despite the fact that these new energy vehicles were designed to be "clean" and environmentally friendly.

Professor Wu Feng at Beijing Institute of Technology told Chinese media, "A 20-gram cell phone battery can pollute three standard swimming pools of water, and if abandoned on the land, it can pollute 1 square kilometer of land for about 50 years."

Compared to cell phone batteries, the pollution caused by the batteries of large new energy vehicles is more serious.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on July 13, 2021, 04:49:48 PM

Electric car batteries are already creating a toxic mess in China, not to mention the mining for rare earth metals.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: cc on July 18, 2021, 11:09:32 PM

Philadelphia's Electric Bus Fleet In Complete Shambles (//https)

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More than two dozen electric Proterra buses first unveiled by the city of Philadelphia in 2016 are already out of operation, according to a WHYY investigation.

The entire fleet of Proterra buses was removed from the roads by SEPTA, the city's transit authority, in February 2020 due to both structural and logistical problems—the weight of the powerful battery was cracking the vehicles' chassis, and the battery life was insufficient for the city's bus routes. The city raised the issues with Proterra, which failed to adequately address the city's concerns.

Philadelphia placed the Proterra buses in areas where it thought they could succeed but quickly learned it was mistaken. Two pilot routes selected in South Philadelphia that were relatively short and flat compared with others in the city were too much for the electric buses.

"Even those routes needed buses to pull around 100 miles each day, while the Proterras were averaging just 30 to 50 miles per charge," WHYY reporter Ryan Briggs wrote. "Officials also quickly realized there wasn't room at the ends of either route for charging stations."

Similar problems have been found in other cities that partnered with Proterra. Duluth, Minn., which, like Philadelphia, waited three years for its Proterra buses to be delivered, ultimately pulled its seven buses from service "because their braking systems were struggling on Duluth's hills, and a software problem was causing them to roll back when accelerating uphill from a standstill," according to the Duluth Monitor.

[Wotta disaster]

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on July 19, 2021, 12:49:25 AM

No problem, just raise property taxes.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Thiel on July 19, 2021, 12:53:20 PM

~~Quote from: seoulbro post_id=415785 time=1626209388 user_id=114~~
Electric car batteries are already creating a toxic mess in China, not to mention the mining for rare earth metals.

We are being too hasty in our push for an electric fleet.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on July 19, 2021, 05:05:32 PM

~~Quote from: Thiel post_id=416134 time=1626713600 user_id=1688~~
~~Quote from: seoulbro post_id=415785 time=1626209388 user_id=114~~
Electric car batteries are already creating a toxic mess in China, not to mention the mining for rare earth metals.

We are being too hasty in our push for an electric fleet.

That''s probably true Thiel.....but I'm still interested in hybrids.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: cc on July 19, 2021, 05:30:01 PM

~~Quote from: Fashionista post_id=416149 time=1626728732 user_id=3254~~
~~Quote from: Thiel post_id=416134 time=1626713600 user_id=1688~~
~~Quote from: seoulbro post_id=415785 time=1626209388 user_id=114~~
Electric car batteries are already creating a toxic mess in China, not to mention the mining for rare earth metals.

We are being too hasty in our push for an electric fleet.

That''s probably true Thiel.....but I'm still interested in hybrids.

The concept is good in that they generate some electrical power (as against just suck our undersized grids dry)

I like that part.

The down side is more components, 2 complete and separate power systems to maintain in effect

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on July 19, 2021, 06:33:56 PM

I have heard catalytic converters are a problem with hybrids.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on July 19, 2021, 07:50:54 PM

~~Quote from: cc post_id=416151 time=1626730201 user_id=88~~
~~Quote from: Fashionista post_id=416149 time=1626728732 user_id=3254~~
~~Quote from: Thiel post_id=416134 time=1626713600 user_id=1688~~
~~Quote from: seoulbro post_id=415785 time=1626209388 user_id=114~~
Electric car batteries are already creating a toxic mess in China, not to mention the mining for rare earth metals.

We are being too hasty in our push for an electric fleet.

That''s probably true Thiel.....but I'm still interested in hybrids.

The concept is good in that they generate some electrical power (as against just suck our undersized grids dry)

I like that part.

The down side is more components, 2 complete and separate power systems to maintain in effect

Hmm

ac_umm

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on August 11, 2021, 04:51:17 PM

Searching Greenland for rare earth metal to use in electric vehicles because oil and gas are finite resources. :crazy:

Billionaire-Backed Mining Firm to Seek Electric Vehicle Metals in Greenland

COPENHAGEN (Reuters) -Mineral exploration company KoBold Metals, backed by billionaires including Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates, has signed an agreement with London-listed Bluejay Mining to search in Greenland for critical materials used in electric vehicles.

https://money.usnews.com/investing/news/articles/2021-08-09/billionaire-backed-mining-firm-to-seek-electric-vehicle-metals-in-greenland#:~:text=COPENHAGEN%20(Reuters)%20%2D%20Mineral%20exploration,materials%20used%20in%20electric%20vehicles.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: cc on August 16, 2021, 07:26:58 PM

Feds Open Formal Investigation Following Tesla 'Autopilot' Crashes (//https)

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The United States government said Monday it's opened a formal investigation into Tesla's "Autopilot," or partially automated driving system, after a series of crashes with parked emergency vehicles.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said it has identified 11 crashes since 2018 in which Teslas on Autopilot or Traffic Aware Cruise Control have hit vehicles with flashing lights, flares, an illuminated arrow board or cones warning of hazards.

The investigation covers 765,000 vehicles — or nearly every car that Tesla, the Elon Musk-led electric car company, has sold in the US since the start of the 2014 model year, including the Models Y, X, S and 3, the agency said.

"The investigation will assess the technologies and methods used to monitor, assist and enforce the driver's engagement with the dynamic driving task during Autopilot operation," the NHTSA said in its investigation documents.

The investigation by the NHTSA could lead to a recall or other enforcement action.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on August 16, 2021, 07:29:53 PM

I don't trust any vehicle with autopilot, ICE or electric.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: cc on August 16, 2021, 08:38:25 PM

Agreed, but my impression is that they are being used mainly for electric powered

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on August 16, 2021, 08:42:41 PM

Remember a woman was struck and killed by a driverless car. I believe it was in California.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on August 17, 2021, 09:11:01 AM

I wouldn't feel comfortable driving if I saw a lot of cars without drivers on the road.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: cc on August 26, 2021, 11:16:56 AM

Total Recall] (//The%20Chevy%20Bolt%20recall%20could%20scare%20off%20a%20lot%20of%20EV%20shoppers)

If you've been paying attention to the EV industry, you'll know that Chevrolet has just issued a recall of the Bolt EV. It's the third Bolt recall that's taken place over the past several months, and they're all related to a string of battery fires.

The big thing is that this recall is far more encompassing than the last two. The earlier events focussed on a handful of Bolt models, but this time Chevrolet has issued a recall of every single Bolt and Bolt EUV. And that's arguably the absolute worst thing to happen to the electric car industry right now.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: kiebers on August 26, 2021, 01:16:07 PM

~~Quote from: cc post_id=419326 time=1629991016 user_id=88~~
Total Recall] (//The%20Chevy%20Bolt%20recall%20could%20scare%20off%20a%20lot%20of%20EV%20shoppers)

If you've been paying attention to the EV industry, you'll know that Chevrolet has just issued a recall of the Bolt EV. It's the third Bolt recall that's taken place over the past several months, and they're all related to a string of battery fires.

The big thing is that this recall is far more encompassing than the last two. The earlier events focussed on a handful of Bolt models, but this time Chevrolet has issued a recall of every single Bolt and Bolt EUV. And that's arguably the absolute worst thing to happen to the electric car industry right now.

And GM is going after the battery company for a billion in damages.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-ttMnctVyU&t=170s

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: cc on August 26, 2021, 01:27:56 PM

That makes sense. It is a battery problem.

At the same time, will anyone ever be able to make a trustworthy & safe battery?

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on August 26, 2021, 03:11:46 PM

~~Quote from: cc post_id=419326 time=1629991016 user_id=88~~
Total Recall] (//The%20Chevy%20Bolt%20recall%20could%20scare%20off%20a%20lot%20of%20EV%20shoppers)

If you've been paying attention to the EV industry, you'll know that Chevrolet has just issued a recall of the Bolt EV. It's the third Bolt recall that's taken place over the past several months, and they're all related to a string of battery fires.

The big thing is that this recall is far more encompassing than the last two. The earlier events focussed on a handful of Bolt models, but this time Chevrolet has issued a recall of every single Bolt and Bolt EUV. And that's arguably the absolute worst thing to happen to the electric car industry right now.

:shock:

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: cc on August 29, 2021, 05:18:58 PM

Tesla On 'Autopilot' Mode Strikes FHP Cruiser, Narrowly Misses Trooper, Officials Say (//https)

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A Tesla driving on "autopilot" mode hit a Florida Highway Patrol cruiser on Interstate 4 early Saturday morning and nearly hit an FHP trooper who was standing outside the cruiser, an FHP spokeswoman said.

FHP Lt. Kim Montes said the trooper had stopped shortly before 5 a.m. to help a disabled vehicle in the westbound lanes of I-4 near downtown Orlando. The trooper activated his emergency lights and got out to help the driver when the Tesla hit the left side of his cruiser and then hit the disabled vehicle, Montes said. The Tesla "narrowly missed" the trooper, Montes said.

{Tesla's have taken depolicing upon themselves???}

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on August 29, 2021, 05:22:58 PM

~~Quote from: cc post_id=419563 time=1630271938 user_id=88~~
Tesla On 'Autopilot' Mode Strikes FHP Cruiser, Narrowly Misses Trooper, Officials Say (//https)

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A Tesla driving on "autopilot" mode hit a Florida Highway Patrol cruiser on Interstate 4 early Saturday morning and nearly hit an FHP trooper who was standing outside the cruiser, an FHP spokeswoman said.

FHP Lt. Kim Montes said the trooper had stopped shortly before 5 a.m. to help a disabled vehicle in the westbound lanes of I-4 near downtown Orlando. The trooper activated his emergency lights and got out to help the driver when the Tesla hit the left side of his cruiser and then hit the disabled vehicle, Montes said. The Tesla "narrowly missed" the trooper, Montes said.

{Tesla's have taken depolicing upon themselves???}

~~No wonder progs like Tesla. :laugh3:~~

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: cc on August 29, 2021, 06:25:38 PM

LOL

I posted an article recently about these monsters becoming confused with police/ fire flashers & ramming them quite a lot

All such incidents were potentially dangerous & luckily never hurt anyone, this one almost killed an Officer

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on August 29, 2021, 06:27:04 PM

~~Quote from: cc post_id=419570 time=1630275938 user_id=88~~
LOL

I posted an article recently about these monsters becoming confused with police/ fire flashers & ramming them quite a lot

All such incidents were potentially dangerous & likely never hurt anyone, but this one almost killed an Officer

Doesn't old AOC own a Tesla. :laugh3:

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: cc on August 29, 2021, 06:29:00 PM

Dunno, but she's the type

I agree progs are drawn to them trying to prove something is always their priority

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on August 29, 2021, 06:36:45 PM

~~Quote from: cc post_id=419573 time=1630276140 user_id=88~~
Dunno, but she's the type

I agree progs are drawn to them trying to prove something is always their priority

I think she does own one. It's a virtue signalling status symbol.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: cc on September 13, 2021, 11:03:48 AM

Honda and Toyota, which have the combined capacity to build over 3.5 million cars in the U.S., have come out against a Democrat-backed electric car subsidy proposal that favors union-made vehicles. (//https)

The plan, introduced Friday as part of the House Ways and Means Committee's $3.5 trillion spending bill, would increase the current maximum $7,500 credit available for battery-powered vehicles by $4,500 for those built at plants that use union workers.

It would also add $500 for vehicles that use battery packs produced with at least 50% U.S. manufacturing for a total possible credit of $12,500. The plan would be in place for five years, followed by a flat $7,500 credit for American-made electric vehicles.

[While I'm in favor of the concept of "briefly" assisting new technology .. keyword = "briefly" ...NOT long-term

1. The way I see it is if something cannot compete, it has no place

2. Worse, it is the well off who mainly buy these clunkers .. so how can one justify subsidizing the well off vs Joe & Jane regular people?

3. It is not ethically right for a government to assist unions .. not their job .. it's just a left vote buyer]

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on September 13, 2021, 11:12:29 AM

~~Quote from: cc post_id=420341 time=1631545428 user_id=88~~

1. The way I see it is if something cannot compete, it has no place

2. Worse, it is the well off who mainly buy these clunkers .. so how can one justify subsidizing the well off vs Joe & Jane regular people?

3. It is not ethically right for a government to assist unions or not unions .. not their job[/i]

You are one hundred percent correct. Somebody working at Home Depot should not be subsidizing vehicles for lawyers.

As for unionized plants. I live close to the Honda plant in Allistion, Ontario. It's a non union shop. Before this pandemic, they had never laid off a single production employee in the thirty five years since the palnt opened. Can the Chrysler plant in Windsor say that? The Ford plant in Oakville? No, they can't. And Honda has comparable wages, benefits and a defined benefit pension plan.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on September 13, 2021, 07:32:54 PM

~~Quote from: seoulbro post_id=420342 time=1631545949 user_id=114~~
~~Quote from: cc post_id=420341 time=1631545428 user_id=88~~

1. The way I see it is if something cannot compete, it has no place

2. Worse, it is the well off who mainly buy these clunkers .. so how can one justify subsidizing the well off vs Joe & Jane regular people?

3. It is not ethically right for a government to assist unions or not unions .. not their job[/i]

You are one hundred percent correct. Somebody working at Home Depot should not be subsidizing vehicles for lawyers.

As for unionized plants. I live close to the Honda plant in Allistion, Ontario. It's a non union shop. Before this pandemic, they had never laid off a single production employee in the thirty five years since the palnt opened. Can the Chrysler plant in Windsor say that? The Ford plant in Oakville? No, they can't. And Honda has comparable wages, benefits and a defined benefit pension plan.

Blue collar workers once again subsidizing rich progs.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: cc on September 15, 2021, 01:41:37 PM

//Two%20People%20Killed%20After%20Tesla%20Crashes%20Into%20A%20Tree%20And%20Becomes%20"Engulfed%20In%20Flames"%20In%20Florida

Two people were killed on Monday night this week after a Tesla crashed into a tree in Coral Gables, Florida.

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The "fiery wreck" took place at the intersection of Alhambra Circle and Coral Way, according to Local 10. Local police said the driver crashed the car into a tree, but no further details about the accident have been determined yet.

Cellphone video of the wreck shows the vehicle "engulfed in flames" and both occupants of the vehicle were killed. "That's a Tesla," the person taking the video of the wreck can be heard saying.

Authorities spent Tuesday collecting evidence at the scene of the accident and an investigation is ongoing. The driver was a 20 year old male and the passenger was a 19 year old woman, the report says.

{Sounds like battery fire killed them .. or at least made sure they were dead}

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on September 15, 2021, 02:10:00 PM

~~Quote from: cc post_id=420455 time=1631727697 user_id=88~~
//Two%20People%20Killed%20After%20Tesla%20Crashes%20Into%20A%20Tree%20And%20Becomes%20"Engulfed%20In%20Flames"%20In%20Florida

Two people were killed on Monday night this week after a Tesla crashed into a tree in Coral Gables, Florida.

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The "fiery wreck" took place at the intersection of Alhambra Circle and Coral Way, according to Local 10. Local police said the driver crashed the car into a tree, but no further details about the accident have been determined yet.

Cellphone video of the wreck shows the vehicle "engulfed in flames" and both occupants of the vehicle were killed. "That's a Tesla," the person taking the video of the wreck can be heard saying.

Authorities spent Tuesday collecting evidence at the scene of the accident and an investigation is ongoing. The driver was a 20 year old male and the passenger was a 19 year old woman, the report says.

{Sounds like battery fire killed them .. or at least made sure they were dead}

~~It aint easy putting out battrery fires.~~

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: cc on October 16, 2021, 06:11:49 PM

~~Quote from: seoulbro post_id=420342 time=1631545949 user_id=114~~
~~Quote from: cc post_id=420341 time=1631545428 user_id=88~~

1. The way I see it is if something cannot compete, it has no place

2. Worse, it is the well off who mainly buy these clunkers .. so how can one justify subsidizing the well off vs Joe & Jane regular people?

3. It is not ethically right for a government to assist unions or not unions .. not their job[/i]

You are one hundred percent correct. Somebody working at Home Depot should not be subsidizing vehicles for lawyers.

Exactly - It is ethically wrong

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: cc on October 16, 2021, 06:13:29 PM

Self-Driving Waymo Cars Clog Up Dead-End San Francisco Street (//https)

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Residents in a "dead-end" street in San Francisco say they are being plagued by an influx of self-driving vehicles.

Autonomous-driving firm Waymo's cars have been going up and down the cul-de-sac at all hours "for weeks", according to local news station KPIX.

Residents say vehicles sometimes have to queue before making multi-point turns to leave the way they came.

Waymo says the vehicles are just "obeying road rules" designed to limit traffic in certain residential streets.

:roll:

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on October 17, 2021, 12:35:17 PM

~~Quote from: cc post_id=423931 time=1634422409 user_id=88~~
Self-Driving Waymo Cars Clog Up Dead-End San Francisco Street (//news/technology-58928706)

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Residents in a "dead-end" street in San Francisco say they are being plagued by an influx of self-driving vehicles.

Autonomous-driving firm Waymo's cars have been going up and down the cul-de-sac at all hours "for weeks", according to local news station KPIX.

Residents say vehicles sometimes have to queue before making multi-point turns to leave the way they came.

Waymo says the vehicles are just "obeying road rules" designed to limit traffic in certain residential streets.

:roll:

It's not like SF didn't have enough problems created by leftist loons.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: cc on October 19, 2021, 05:22:05 PM

This dumbfk actually thinks jobs in other countries is a selling point tor Americans

Duhhhh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4-b-dFWw6Q

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Odinson on October 19, 2021, 05:29:33 PM

They ARE stealing American jobs.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on October 20, 2021, 12:47:46 AM

~~Quote from: cc post_id=424317 time=1634678525 user_id=88~~
This dumbfk actually thinks jobs in other countries is a selling point tor Americans

Duhhhh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4-b-dFWw6Q

Facories are ugly and he believes the US owes it to it's billionaires to provide them with beautiful scenery. Fuck blue collar Americans.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: cc on November 08, 2021, 03:56:03 PM

'Like slave and master': DRC miners toil for 30p an hour to fuel electric cars (//https)

Congolese workers describe a system of abuse, precarious employment and paltry wages – all to power the green vehicle revolution

The names Tesla, Renault and Volvo mean nothing to Pierre*. He has never heard of an electric car. But as he heads out to work each morning in the bustling, dusty town of Fungurume, in the Democratic Republic of Congo's southern mining belt, he is the first link in a supply chain that is fuelling the electric vehicle revolution and its promise of a decarbonised future.

Pierre is mining for cobalt, one of the world's most sought-after minerals, and a key ingredient in the batteries that power most electric vehicles (EVs).

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Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on November 08, 2021, 04:58:57 PM

~~Quote from: cc post_id=426521 time=1636404963 user_id=88~~
'Like slave and master'] (//global-development/2021/nov/08/cobalt-drc-miners-toil-for-30p-an-hour-to-fuel-electric-cars)

Congolese workers describe a system of abuse, precarious employment and paltry wages – all to power the green vehicle revolution

The names Tesla, Renault and Volvo mean nothing to Pierre*. He has never heard of an electric car. But as he heads out to work each morning in the bustling, dusty town of Fungurume, in the Democratic Republic of Congo's southern mining belt, he is the first link in a supply chain that is fuelling the electric vehicle revolution and its promise of a decarbonised future.

Pierre is mining for cobalt, one of the world's most sought-after minerals, and a key ingredient in the batteries that power most electric vehicles (EVs).

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~~All so climate alarmists in developed countries can feel smug.~~

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: cc on November 11, 2021, 06:26:27 PM

Doug Ford Bad Man

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Premier Doug Ford is dismissing the idea of bringing back a rebate to encourage Ontarians to buy more electric vehicles, even though the province is lagging behind much of the country in sales.

"I'm not going to give rebates to guys that are buying $100,000 cars — millionaires," he said Wednesday, even though his own government says it's counting on rising sales of those electric vehicles (EVs) to help bring down greenhouse gas emissions.

In 2018, Ford's government cancelled the Electric and Hydrogen Vehicle Incentive Program, brought in by the Liberals under Kathleen Wynne.

at least one advocate says the province can't get there without offering incentives - Well Tough Titty!!! - if any item cannot support itself / carry its own weight economically, it has earned and deserves no place in society

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on November 11, 2021, 06:30:52 PM

~~Quote from: cc post_id=426856 time=1636673187 user_id=88~~
Doug Ford Bad Man

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Premier Doug Ford is dismissing the idea of bringing back a rebate to encourage Ontarians to buy more electric vehicles, even though the province is lagging behind much of the country in sales.

"I'm not going to give rebates to guys that are buying $100,000 cars — millionaires," he said Wednesday, even though his own government says it's counting on rising sales of those electric vehicles (EVs) to help bring down greenhouse gas emissions.

In 2018, Ford's government cancelled the Electric and Hydrogen Vehicle Incentive Program, brought in by the Liberals under Kathleen Wynne.

at least one advocate says the province can't get there without offering incentives - Well Tough Titty!!! - if any item cannot support itself / carry its own weight economically, it deserves no place in society

Rebates for electric vehicles are a subsidy for wealthier Canadians.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on November 12, 2021, 03:29:28 PM

Electric cars have been greenwashed.

~~[media]~~https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17xh_VRrnMU&list=FLz6IDmTsSGhIFYaIVHrGFYQ[/media]

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: cc on November 12, 2021, 05:30:50 PM

~~Quote from: Fashionista post_id=426858 time=1636673452 user_id=3254~~
~~Quote from: cc post_id=426856 time=1636673187 user_id=88~~
Doug Ford Bad Man

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Premier Doug Ford is dismissing the idea of bringing back a rebate to encourage Ontarians to buy more electric vehicles, even though the province is lagging behind much of the country in sales.

"I'm not going to give rebates to guys that are buying $100,000 cars — millionaires," he said Wednesday, even though his own government says it's counting on rising sales of those electric vehicles (EVs) to help bring down greenhouse gas emissions.

In 2018, Ford's government cancelled the Electric and Hydrogen Vehicle Incentive Program, brought in by the Liberals under Kathleen Wynne.

at least one advocate says the province can't get there without offering incentives - Well Tough Titty!!! - if any item cannot support itself / carry its own weight economically, it deserves no place in society

Rebates for electric vehicles are a subsidy for wealthier Canadians.

Yup. Wage earners supporting the wealthy .. Seems all of society is going that way now

I find it unthinkable that these so-called autos are subsidized ... this is how far our leaders have gone to pervert their climate change agenda

And it's ingrained everywhere now with power being used to enrich those with power already

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on November 12, 2021, 07:15:45 PM

~~Quote from: cc post_id=427000 time=1636756250 user_id=88~~
~~Quote from: Fashionista post_id=426858 time=1636673452 user_id=3254~~
~~Quote from: cc post_id=426856 time=1636673187 user_id=88~~
Doug Ford Bad Man

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Premier Doug Ford is dismissing the idea of bringing back a rebate to encourage Ontarians to buy more electric vehicles, even though the province is lagging behind much of the country in sales.

"I'm not going to give rebates to guys that are buying $100,000 cars — millionaires," he said Wednesday, even though his own government says it's counting on rising sales of those electric vehicles (EVs) to help bring down greenhouse gas emissions.

In 2018, Ford's government cancelled the Electric and Hydrogen Vehicle Incentive Program, brought in by the Liberals under Kathleen Wynne.

at least one advocate says the province can't get there without offering incentives - Well Tough Titty!!! - if any item cannot support itself / carry its own weight economically, it deserves no place in society

Rebates for electric vehicles are a subsidy for wealthier Canadians.

Yup. Wage earners supporting the wealthy .. Seems all of society is going that way now

I find it unthinkable that these so-called autos are subsidized ... this is how far our leaders have gone to pervert their climate change agenda

And it's ingrained everywhere now with power being used to enrich those with power already

I remember when the NDP were the government in Alberta they implemented a carbon tax and gave some of the proceeds to big corporations they pretend to want to pay their fair share.

:001_rolleyes:

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on November 24, 2021, 09:34:45 PM

Israel is going to impose a tax on Chinese electric cars to offset loss in gas tax revenue.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Gaon on November 24, 2021, 10:48:12 PM

~~Quote from: "iron horse jockey" post_id=428176 time=1637807685 user_id=2015~~
Israel is going to impose a tax on Chinese electric cars to offset loss in gas tax revenue.

In Norway, battery-powered electric vehicles account for 77.5% of all new cars sold. Norwegian officials are stripping electric cars of their special status in a hurry, to compensate for a huge loss of tax income.

The state of Victoria, Australia, became the first in the world to impose a travel tax on Evs, at the rate of ¢2.5 per kilometer, ¢2 for hybrids. The owner brings his car in for an inspection of its speedometer at the end of the year and gets charged an annual fee. Watch a cottage industry of speedometer-reversals sprouting in Israel should this method become the law of the land.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on November 25, 2021, 09:03:36 AM

~~Quote from: "iron horse jockey" post_id=428176 time=1637807685 user_id=2015~~
Israel is going to impose a tax on Chinese electric cars to offset loss in gas tax revenue.

Suibsidies are getting more generous in Canada.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on November 25, 2021, 03:12:15 PM

Electric cars are not new.

~~[media]~~https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzu2EuaLOCY[/media]

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on November 28, 2021, 06:54:06 PM

The switch to electric aint cheap.

https://c2cjournal.ca/2021/11/the-future-with-zero-emission-electric-vehicles/?fbclid=IwAR0iTV3E0jkCwuf6hxZ1oUIr7g7qBLgezsQQz9MjnSmgwhz4Uc0hF7WAg0o

Battery-operated cars are more expensive to manufacture than gasoline-powered automobiles. Although the individual difference varies greatly, purchasing an EV costs at least 50 percent more than an equivalent gasoline-powered one – in some cases up to 300 percent more. The multiplicity of available vehicles – along with the dizzying array of trim levels, options and engines – complicates precise comparison, but some examples make the overall picture clear.

The gasoline-powered version of the Ford Mustang, according to the Ford Canada website, starts at $31,895. The electric version starts at $50,495. According to Chevrolet Canada, the diminutive entry-level (and gas-powered) Chevrolet Spark starts at $10,398 – less than the price of a very fancy e-mountain bike. The electric Chevrolet Bolt – Chevy's "cheapest" electric car – will set you back nearly four times as much: $38,198. The ubiquitous Ford F-150 light truck lists for as little as $34,079. The electric version, when it comes out as the world's first electric pickup, will start at $92,025 – well into European luxury-car pricing territory. The price differences among Japanese and European cars are similar. As for the world's leading all-electric-car manufacturer, Tesla, its least expensive offering, the Model 3, starts at $64,900 – comparable to a well-equipped, mid-sized European sports sedan like the Audi A6. Tesla's Model S, meanwhile, ranges up to $169,990.

In short: EVs are vastly more expensive than gasoline-powered cars and, if they don't come down significantly in price, will put car ownership out of reach of many Canadians. And some carmakers still haven't even developed a fully electric vehicle; others offer only hybrids. No manufacturer has yet produced an electric truck, although the Ford F-150 seems closest to roll-out. Larger electric trucks and RVs are a long way off and may never be feasible.

There are about 25 million cars and light trucks in Canada – less than 1 percent of them electric. EVs still make up only 3.5 percent of new vehicle sales – about 55,000 units last year. The average price of a new car in Canada is now over $40,000. If EVs are conservatively estimated as being 50 percent more expensive, this means that the incremental cost of replacing Canada's entire car and light truck fleet will be at least $500 billion. The gross expenditure would be a hard-to-imagine $1.5 trillion – 75 percent of Canada's entire annual GDP. Clearly, something will have to give.

The costs do not stop there. Not even close. EVs are useless unless they can be recharged. The most basic "Level 1" chargers cost a seemingly modest US$80-US$180 and can be plugged into a standard 120-volt household outlet. But they require eight to 25 hours to fully charge a car, making them impractical for most car owners. Level 2 charging stations can also be installed in a private home with 240-volt service and reduce the charging time to about four to 10 hours. They range in price from US$750 to US$2,600, plus potentially US$1,000-US$3,000 if electrical upgrading is needed.

Level 3 fast-charging stations are for public and commercial networks and can charge an EV's battery bank in 30-60 minutes. They cost US$10,000-US$40,000 plus US$4,000-US$50,000 for installation, reflecting the frequent need for upgraded transmission lines and transformers. By comparison, it costs US$16,000-US$21,000 to purchase a dual-outlet gas pump, plus US$2,500-US$3,000 for installation. And one such pump can service 12-24 times as many vehicles as a single-outlet electric charging station, since it takes no more than five minutes to fuel a gasoline-powered car.

According to Natural Resources Canada, there are barely 6,000 publicly available charging stations across Canada. During the recent federal election, the Liberals promised to spend $700 million to add 50,000 more. But that is still only a small fraction of the number that will be needed. Taking all the factors discussed above into account, powering a nationwide fleet of 25 million EVs might require a couple of million non-residential charging stations, unless charging times drop substantially, vehicle ranges improve sharply and/or people habitually charge their vehicles at home. Taking the mid-range of the costs discussed above, this would require capital investment of $100 billion, not including costs to upgrade or augment major electrical transmission lines to service the increased electrical load (more on that below).

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All of the costs discussed so far come before you "put in the juice." Doing so certainly won't remain "free" for long. Costless charging proved a great way to create buzz for EVs and to soften up the public for the coming transition. City governments and large organizations could afford to offer this as long as EVs remained a novelty, but the practice is obviously unsustainable. Perhaps not surprisingly, it is difficult to obtain clear data on what it actually costs to charge an EV. Electricity rates vary greatly from province to province, from region to region within some provinces, and according to time of day. It costs more to charge a vehicle at a fast-charging commercial station that is trying to recover its investment costs and make a profit on the electricity it sells than it does at a slower, home-based station.

Taking all of this into account, a recent study by the Anderson Economic Group concluded that refuelling in the U.S. costs US$8.58-US$12.60 per 100 miles driven for a range of gasoline-powered vehicles, while recharging costs US$12.95-US$15.52 per 100 miles driven for comparable EVs. Going by these data, driving a typical 10,000 miles per year would increase the annual cost of motoring by about US$350. While noticeable, most car owners would probably consider this bearable. But this assumes stable electricity prices for the long term. More likely, power costs will climb significantly in response to increased demand associated with a burgeoning EV fleet and the ongoing government-driven shift to less efficient and more expensive "green" energy sources.

The shift to EVs will clearly entail significant new costs for car owners and those who depend on them. Assuming that a typical EV will last 10-12 years, the changeover will cost the average Canadian car buyer at least $2,000 per year more than they would spend to replace a normal car. A home charging station will come on top of that. As will the added cost of charging their EV – already at least Cdn$500 more per year than gasoline or diesel, and set to climb.

All-in, the additional costs are likely to be $4,000 or more per year. (For a family that needs two vehicles, that would be $8,000+ annually.) That will materially reduce the standard of living of all but the wealthiest Canadian families, and will certainly price some families out of vehicle ownership altogether. These extra costs are the primary reason why Canadians have been reluctant to buy EVs.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on November 28, 2021, 06:58:35 PM

Lithium production requires large amounts of water (500,000 gallons per tonne of lithium) and releases a variety of toxic chemicals into the environment.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on December 15, 2021, 11:40:44 AM

By Lorne Gunter of Sun News Media

Long trips not practical

Despite what federal environment minister says, electric vehicles can't go across Canada easily

"Did you know that you can now drive coast-to-coast from Victoria, B.C. to St. John's, Nfld. in an electric vehicle?" That's what radical environmentalist turned radical Environment Minister Steven Guilbeault tweeted in July.

Yeah. Maybe.

For instance, once you leave Thunder Bay headed for Winnipeg, you'd better turn right at Shabaqua Corners rather than head straight west, because the only charging stations before you get to Kenora are in Dryden.

There's nothing in International Falls (unless you cross over onto the American side), so about two-thirds of the way to Lake of the Woods your motor is going to stop whirring and you're going to find yourself waiting for a flatbed tow truck to haul your expensive paperweight to the nearest charging station over 200 kms away.

That's an $800 tab and a one-day delay (add the cost of a motel) just because you followed the fanciful advice of Ottawa's greenie-in-chief.

Let's say you do take the right route and end up at one of Dryden's nine charging stations. You'd better hope you get to one of the fast ones, first. There it will only take you about an hour to get enough juice to make it to a station in Kenora.

If the only plug-in left when you arrive is a level 2 ... well, you may as well get a motel. It's going to take about 10 hours for a 400-km charge.

So, yes, it's technically possible to drive coast-to-coast in an e-car, provided you plan each charge as though it was the highlight of your trip and take only designated routes. Don't detour to interesting historical sights or the trailheads to spectacular lookouts.

And what if your get stranded in a blizzard between Moose Jaw and Swift Current, Sask.? Cold weather is extra draining on e-car batteries. You'll soon find yourself on the side of the road in a shelter that is rapidly losing light and heat.

People sometimes drive across Canada stopping only at Tims. That's easier to do than taking Guilbeault's trip.

Nonetheless, the fantasy that "green" politicians have that it's a snap to switch from a gasoline or diesel fleet to an electric one is behind the federal Liberals' announcement late last week that by 2030, half of all passenger vehicles sold in Canada must be electric.

Dealers are expected only to be able to sell one gasoline or diesel vehicle for every electric one they sell.

What happens if customers don't want them? Currently under three per cent of new vehicles sold in Canada are electric or hybrid.

What makes the Trudeau government think it can force a 19-fold increase in just nine years simply with flick of a wrist?

Who says carmakers can even produce the number of e-vehicles we're talking about? That would be 700,000 electrics a year.

Even other parts of the Liberal government recognize that switching to electrics will be difficult and rocky. More difficult and rocky, the harder Guibeault and the prime minister push.

A federal Department of Industry briefing, obtained by Blacklocks's Reporter last week, says e-cars are impractical in Canada. They can't reliably handle our climate and distances.

Besides, the infrastructure (like charging stations) does not exist (and will not exist for years) to make them practical outside major cities.

Also, a study released earlier this month by the "green" energy think tank, Clean Energy Canada, estimates that to produce all the power needed to reach net-zero in 28 years, Canada would either have to build over 100 new hydro dams or a dozen new nuclear plants (or some combination) by 2050.

Does anyone realistically expect that to happen? The same environmentalists who demand an end to fossil fuels would be first in line to protest each dam or atomic powerplants.

E-cars just aren't practical under the Liberal's short timeline.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: cc on December 15, 2021, 05:37:09 PM

The fact that Govts never had to build a single station when petro powered vehicles came out .. nor since .. is lost on them

There's a message in that, but those in power don't want to know or hear that

(Petrocan doesn't count as it was not at all needed)

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on December 15, 2021, 06:20:19 PM

~~Quote from: cc post_id=430934 time=1639607829 user_id=88~~
The fact that Govts never had to build a single station when petro powered vehicles came out .. nor since .. is lost on them

There's a message in that, but those in power don't want to know or hear that

(Petrocan doesn't count as it was not at all needed)

The infrastucture to power internal combustion vehicles did not require billions of dollars of taxpayer money to be built. All the jobs alarmists say will be created with the forced transition(as opposed to market transition) will be artificial. There is not a market demand driving it.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Odinson on December 15, 2021, 10:08:30 PM

One of the best things about a car or a motorcycle, is the sound of the engine.

I like hearing the engine power.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on December 15, 2021, 10:12:00 PM

~~Quote from: Odinson post_id=430981 time=1639624110 user_id=136~~
One of the best things about a car or a motorcycle, is the sound of the engine.

I like hearing the engine power.

White libtards don't like that sound, but they like the noise pollution from wind turbines.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on December 15, 2021, 10:29:52 PM

~~Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=430982 time=1639624320 user_id=56~~
~~Quote from: Odinson post_id=430981 time=1639624110 user_id=136~~
One of the best things about a car or a motorcycle, is the sound of the engine.

I like hearing the engine power.

White libtards don't like that sound, but they like the noise pollution from wind turbines.

I wouldn't want to live near one of those massive wind farms.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: cc on December 15, 2021, 10:53:35 PM

^^ Yes, The sound is awful

~~Quote from: Odinson post_id=430981 time=1639624110 user_id=136~~
One of the best things about a car or a motorcycle, is the sound of the engine.

I like hearing the engine power.

We put a Borla muffler system on ours because it was so quiet we could hear nothing and didn't do justice to the car .. It's not loud but rumbles at idle and snorts deeply not loudly when one hits the throttle

Maybe if one put an electronic exhaust sound on these electric toys, regular folk (and not just poopy prog profs) might buy them without the Govt having to bribe them to buy it

vrooom vrooom

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Gaon on December 16, 2021, 12:22:32 AM

I would consider buying an electric truck. But, I think should be able to decide for themselves if they want a traditional or electric vehicle. The government should not make that decision.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on December 16, 2021, 11:08:23 AM

~~Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=430982 time=1639624320 user_id=56~~
~~Quote from: Odinson post_id=430981 time=1639624110 user_id=136~~
One of the best things about a car or a motorcycle, is the sound of the engine.

I like hearing the engine power.

White libtards don't like that sound, but they like the noise pollution from wind turbines.

Unless a wind farm was built next to them.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: cc on December 16, 2021, 12:11:35 PM

~~Quote from: seoulbro post_id=431043 time=1639670903 user_id=114~~
~~Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=430982 time=1639624320 user_id=56~~
~~Quote from: Odinson post_id=430981 time=1639624110 user_id=136~~
One of the best things about a car or a motorcycle, is the sound of the engine.

I like hearing the engine power.

White libtards don't like that sound, but they like the noise pollution from wind turbines.

Unless a wind farm was built next to them.

Exactly. "Must have them .... just not near my place"

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on December 16, 2021, 02:26:21 PM

~~Quote from: cc post_id=431047 time=1639674695 user_id=88~~
~~Quote from: seoulbro post_id=431043 time=1639670903 user_id=114~~
~~Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=430982 time=1639624320 user_id=56~~
~~Quote from: Odinson post_id=430981 time=1639624110 user_id=136~~
One of the best things about a car or a motorcycle, is the sound of the engine.

I like hearing the engine power.

White libtards don't like that sound, but they like the noise pollution from wind turbines.

Unless a wind farm was built next to them.

Exactly. "Must have them .... just not near my place"

I've been to Picher Creek.....the constant wind is nothing compared to the wind farms that make it an undesirable place to live.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: cc on December 16, 2021, 02:30:16 PM

~~Quote from: Fashionista post_id=431049 time=1639682781 user_id=3254~~
~~Quote from: cc post_id=431047 time=1639674695 user_id=88~~
~~Quote from: seoulbro post_id=431043 time=1639670903 user_id=114~~
~~Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=430982 time=1639624320 user_id=56~~
~~Quote from: Odinson post_id=430981 time=1639624110 user_id=136~~
One of the best things about a car or a motorcycle, is the sound of the engine.

I like hearing the engine power.

White libtards don't like that sound, but they like the noise pollution from wind turbines.

Unless a wind farm was built next to them.

Exactly. "Must have them .... just not near my place"

I've been to Picher Creek.....the constant wind is nothing compared to the wind farms that make it an undesirable place to live.

I knew windy Picher Creek .. not been there recently which is maybe a good thing

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on December 16, 2021, 02:32:51 PM

~~Quote from: cc post_id=431050 time=1639683016 user_id=88~~
~~Quote from: Fashionista post_id=431049 time=1639682781 user_id=3254~~
~~Quote from: cc post_id=431047 time=1639674695 user_id=88~~
~~Quote from: seoulbro post_id=431043 time=1639670903 user_id=114~~
~~Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=430982 time=1639624320 user_id=56~~

White libtards don't like that sound, but they like the noise pollution from wind turbines.

Unless a wind farm was built next to them.

Exactly. "Must have them .... just not near my place"

I've been to Picher Creek.....the constant wind is nothing compared to the wind farms that make it an undesirable place to live.

I knew windy Picher Creek .. not been there recently which is maybe a good thing

It's saving grace used to be nice scenery, but now all you see in every direction are eneormous steel and concrete structures imported from China.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: cc on December 16, 2021, 06:09:33 PM

~~Quote from: Fashionista post_id=431051 time=1639683171 user_id=3254~~

It's saving grace used to be nice scenery, but now all you see in every direction are eneormous steel and concrete structures imported from China.
That's sad. It used to be nice there as the gateway to the mountains

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Odinson on December 16, 2021, 06:16:42 PM

~~Quote from: cc post_id=430996 time=1639626815 user_id=88~~
^^ Yes, The sound is awful

~~Quote from: Odinson post_id=430981 time=1639624110 user_id=136~~
One of the best things about a car or a motorcycle, is the sound of the engine.

I like hearing the engine power.

We put a Borla muffler system on ours because it was so quiet we could hear nothing and didn't do justice to the car .. It's not loud but rumbles at idle and snorts deeply not loudly when one hits the throttle

Maybe if one put an electronic exhaust sound on these electric toys, regular folk (and not just poopy prog profs) might buy them without the Govt having to bribe them to buy it

vrooom vrooom

The stock option usually doesnt have the sound you expect.

Apparently some of the electric cars do come with a "sound simulator".

And it is as lame as it sounds.

The sound of the engine is a big deal for a lot of folks.

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Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: cc on December 16, 2021, 06:35:05 PM

Sound?^^ ??

Current car, is the second Jaguar engine I have had in an American car - Previous was a very high performance 6 cyl Jaguar in a special "Sprint" model of 67 Firebird that made a really sweet sound .. and accelerated like a scared cat

Hmmmm just realized. Seems my favorites were cars with "bird" in them

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Odinson on December 16, 2021, 09:31:54 PM

~~Quote from: cc post_id=431078 time=1639697705 user_id=88~~
Sound?^^ ??

Current car, is the second Jaguar engine I have had in an American car - Previous was a very high performance 6 cyl Jaguar in a special "Sprint" model of 67 Firebird that made a really sweet sound .. and accelerated like a scared cat

Hmmmm just realized. Seems my favorites were cars with "bird" in them

You get the point... Its the scene from Das Boot where they start the U-boat engine. ac_biggrin

Thunderbird and firebird are good names for cars.

Anyhow about the incentives we are being offered.

Car-tax free... Its couple to few hundreds bucks per year.

As if thats gonna make one decide to spend many tens of thousands on a new car.

Its ridiculous.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on December 17, 2021, 05:36:40 AM

~~Quote from: Odinson post_id=431152 time=1639708314 user_id=136~~
~~Quote from: cc post_id=431078 time=1639697705 user_id=88~~
Sound?^^ ??

Current car, is the second Jaguar engine I have had in an American car - Previous was a very high performance 6 cyl Jaguar in a special "Sprint" model of 67 Firebird that made a really sweet sound .. and accelerated like a scared cat

Hmmmm just realized. Seems my favorites were cars with "bird" in them

You get the point... Its the scene from Das Boot where they start the U-boat engine. ac_biggrin

Thunderbird and firebird are good names for cars.

Anyhow about the incentives we are being offered.

Car-tax free... Its couple to few hundreds bucks per year.

As if thats gonna make one decide to spend many tens of thousands on a new car.

Its ridiculous.

I don't know what incentives are offered here for electric cars.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on December 18, 2021, 03:31:08 AM

~~Quote from: Fashionista post_id=431171 time=1639737400 user_id=3254~~
~~Quote from: Odinson post_id=431152 time=1639708314 user_id=136~~
~~Quote from: cc post_id=431078 time=1639697705 user_id=88~~
Sound?^^ ??

Current car, is the second Jaguar engine I have had in an American car - Previous was a very high performance 6 cyl Jaguar in a special "Sprint" model of 67 Firebird that made a really sweet sound .. and accelerated like a scared cat

Hmmmm just realized. Seems my favorites were cars with "bird" in them

You get the point... Its the scene from Das Boot where they start the U-boat engine. ac_biggrin

Thunderbird and firebird are good names for cars.

Anyhow about the incentives we are being offered.

Car-tax free... Its couple to few hundreds bucks per year.

As if thats gonna make one decide to spend many tens of thousands on a new car.

Its ridiculous.

I don't know what incentives are offered here for electric cars.

Even with tax breaks, they are still cmore expensive.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Odinson on December 19, 2021, 10:02:12 PM

Hydrogen fuel-cell cars might be better than electric battery cars.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on December 19, 2021, 10:07:02 PM

~~Quote from: Odinson post_id=431469 time=1639969332 user_id=136~~
Hydrogen fuel-cell cars might be better than electric battery cars.

That's what Thiel was saying.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on December 29, 2021, 07:39:40 AM

A man in Finland has blown up his Tesla vehicle with 66 pounds of dynamite in defiance over the cost of a new battery after he claimed to face a $22,000 repair bill.

Tuomas Katainen, who lives in Jaala village in south Finland's Kymenlaakso, exploded his 2012 Tesla Model S at a former quarry in a video uploaded to YouTube.

The Tesla S model 2012 cost around $57,400 to $77,400 when it was released.

Tesla's warranty covers battery replacements if the capacity drops below 70 percent within 150,000 miles or eight years of purchase, leaving some owners of the older models facing large repair bills.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: cc on December 29, 2021, 12:13:51 PM

Another item that "climate goody-goody" owners don't talk about is that over 80% have a gas powered vehicle also

It's not hard to figure which vehicle gets used for which purpose

Whata scam the whole thing is. I'll see if I can find that link

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on December 29, 2021, 09:13:32 PM

~~Quote from: cc post_id=432426 time=1640798031 user_id=88~~
Another item that "climate goody-goody" owners don't talk about is that over 80% have a gas powered vehicle also

It's not hard to figure which vehicle gets used for which purpose

Whata scam the whole thing is. I'll see if I can find that link

EV's are a rich man's hobby. They do nothing to improve the environment and they consume extremely scarce resources. Good for China, bad for the planet.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on February 09, 2022, 10:20:18 PM

Electric cars are looking more like a phase. Something like propane vehicles were but with a lot more taxpayer subsidies.

Are electric cars the new 'diesel scandal' waiting to happen? They generate polluting particles just like petrol vehicles, are not even that cost-effective and, as one expert finds, will not save the planet

While diesel cars tend to be more fuel-efficient with lower emissions, they also emit greater quantities of other pollutants that damage air quality and health

What didn't emerge until much later — although it was no secret in the motor industry or among government officials — was that diesel cars also emitted greater quantities of other pollutants, nitrogen oxides and particulates that damage air quality and human health.

Such particulates, which have been linked to respiratory problems, heart disease and lung cancer, have been responsible for thousands of premature deaths. Britain wasn't alone, of course. In their desire to be seen as ever greener, governments of richer countries were all pursuing the same policies on car tax, or cutting duty on diesel fuel.

I was reminded of this by the recent warning from the Environment Secretary, George Eustice, on the 'polluting particles' produced by battery-powered vehicles. Not from exhaust emissions, but from brake linings, tyres and road surfaces, because such vehicles are much heavier owing to the presence of the battery.

No doubt others experienced a similar sense of deja vu. For in an effort to signal climate leadership, No 10 is racing to end the dominance of petrol and diesel-powered cars. Indeed, it is banning the sale of new fossil-fuel vehicles from 2030. Just as it once extolled the benefits of diesel, we are told now that electric cars are the future — and a crucial fix for climate change.

What it fails to tell us, however, is that electric cars are not the answer for many people, for a host of practical reasons. These include their upfront cost, limited range, the time it takes to charge batteries, the new infrastructure needed for charging points and the extra power required to supply them.

Even more alarmingly, a report in the journal Nature suggests that because electric cars are heavier than other vehicles, they will likely kill more occupants of other vehicles in traffic accidents.

As for climate change, electric cars will do little to arrest it. So for now, at least, they are one of the least effective and most expensive ways to cut carbon — and economically they are a bad bet.

Just last week, a report by the Commons Transport Committee found that taxpayers face an eye-watering £35 billion bill to plug the gap created by the switch to electric cars. At present, owners of such cars pay neither fuel duty, which nets £28 billion every year, nor vehicle exercise duty, which brings in £7 billion. The revenue is spent on schools, hospitals and other priorities such as the police, as well as fixing roads.

And not only do they reduce government revenue, they also demand costly subsidies. In Germany, the subsidy is above ¤10,000 (£8,460) for a fully electric car, but that still drives only one sale in eight.

Norway leads the global race, with electric cars accounting for 65 per cent of new sales, but it takes a ludicrous amount of government cash to achieve this. It includes savings of $29,000 (£21,400) on average per car in sales and registration tax, and $11,000 (£8,100) on road tolls.

Who is buying the cars is another concern. A study by the U.S. National Bureau of Economic Research suggests that almost all electric car subsidies go to the wealthiest 20 per cent, for whom the purchase of an extra car is no great sacrifice. In addition, 90 per cent of electric car owners also have a fossil-fuel vehicle they use for longer journeys.

As for charging, for many owners this is simply a question of fitting a point in their driveway. But 40 per cent of UK households don't have access to off-street parking. According to some estimates, the global cost of building the infrastructure needed is $6 trillion (£4.4 trillion).

And what of the huge increase in power production needed to charge millions of electric cars? Climate policy is already adding more than £10 billion annually to Britain's electricity costs, as inefficient renewables continue to need support. If the extra power required for charging the cars is generated from fossil fuels to keep electricity costs down, much of the environmental gain would be lost.

In time, better technology will make batteries cheaper and electric cars will become more economical. But concerns over range and recharging will be much more difficult to rectify.

The truth is that most people invest in cars because they give them mobility. They don't want to be stuck with a flat battery or endure forced stops to top it up. All of the above is why many people are reluctant to embrace electric vehicles, even with huge bribes.

According to one authoritative study, even by 2050 electric cars will make up just 20 per cent of global car travel.

But perhaps none of that matters if electric cars will save the planet? And they will, won't they? Er, no.

The International Energy Agency (IEA) estimates that if every nation achieves their ambitious targets on increasing electric car ownership, it will reduce CO2 emissions in this decade by 235 million tons.

That, according to the UN Climate Panel's standard model, will reduce global temperatures by about one ten-thousandth of a degree Celsius (0.0001c) by the end of the century.

Such modest climate benefits don't make up for the additional downsides of electric vehicles, which include the harsh environmental and social costs that come with mining rare metals needed for batteries.

So what should politicians be doing? For a start, they could stop showering subsidies on electric cars and focus on smarter solutions. The IEA found that hybrid cars save about the same amount of CO2 as electric cars over their lifetime. Moreover, they are already competitive with petrol cars price-wise — even without subsidies — and, crucially, they don't have most of the electric car downsides outlined above.

It is also possible there will be a place for hydrogen-powered vehicles in a greener future, too.

Finally, we need to realise that climate change doesn't care about where the emissions come from. Personal cars account for just 7 per cent of global emissions.

We should be targeting bigger emitters of CO2 such as industry, agriculture and electricity production, and specifically we should fund much greater investment into green energy innovation.

If science could make green energy cheaper than fossil fuels in these areas, that would be a game-changer. Then everyone, not only virtue-signalling elites, would be able to reduce their carbon footprint substantially.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10483317/Are-electric-cars-new-diesel-scandal-Expert-looks-future-road-travel.html?fbclid=IwAR2Hq4IJep6DukbM9Wz10pICfrELSjo91tC8jOp361_mkVWHDIeo4SPKJ9A

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Bricktop on February 09, 2022, 11:46:42 PM

I cannot see a future for hydrogen powered vehicles.

Creating liquid hydrogen requires enormous amounts of energy, and transporting it around countries is incredibly dangerous. If a fuel tanker filled with liquid hydrogen is involved in a collision that causes fire, the consequent explosion would devastate whole city blocks. Ditto if hydrogen powered vehicles are involved in a crash that results in emitting flames.

Liquid hydrogen is far more volatile than liquid petroleum gas, and that is already highly dangerous.

Another dead end.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on February 10, 2022, 12:24:11 AM

~~Quote from: Bricktop post_id=438498 time=1644468402 user_id=1560~~
I cannot see a future for hydrogen powered vehicles.

Creating liquid hydrogen requires enormous amounts of energy, and transporting it around countries is incredibly dangerous. If a fuel tanker filled with liquid hydrogen is involved in a collision that causes fire, the consequent explosion would devastate whole city blocks. Ditto if hydrogen powered vehicles are involved in a crash that results in emitting flames.

Liquid hydrogen is far more volatile than liquid petroleum gas, and that is already highly dangerous.

Another dead end.

It takes about four times more energy to move hydrogen through pipelines than natural gas.

A hydrogen economy idea does not work for multiple reasons. They point out that there is no practical source of hydrogen, no good way to store hydrogen, and no good way to distribute hydrogen. Many of the problems of hydrogen stem from the physical and chemical properties of hydrogen. Technology cannot change these facts.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Bricktop on February 10, 2022, 12:36:53 AM

You can break the laws of Man, but the laws of physics are incontrovertible.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: cc on February 10, 2022, 12:37:31 AM

That's a good article overall, Seoul.

That said, hydrogen is scary stuff with many pitfalls

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on February 10, 2022, 11:01:37 AM

We don't have the land or the rare earth resources for e-cars to replace internal combustion engines. Not to mention they would turn the planet into one giant tailings pond.

Unless there are major technological breakthroughs with fuel cells that will not be a replacement either. More likely we will be using gasoline powered cars with much lower emissions and better fuel mileage in thirty years.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Zetsu on February 10, 2022, 07:28:49 PM

~~Quote from: seoulbro post_id=432381 time=1640781580 user_id=114~~
A man in Finland has blown up his Tesla vehicle with 66 pounds of dynamite in defiance over the cost of a new battery after he claimed to face a $22,000 repair bill.

Tuomas Katainen, who lives in Jaala village in south Finland's Kymenlaakso, exploded his 2012 Tesla Model S at a former quarry in a video uploaded to YouTube.

The Tesla S model 2012 cost around $57,400 to $77,400 when it was released.

Tesla's warranty covers battery replacements if the capacity drops below 70 percent within 150,000 miles or eight years of purchase, leaving some owners of the older models facing large repair bills.

Looks like you've already beat me to it, this is already Finland were cold weather should help preserve the lithium-ion battery's life span by double, yet it died in 10 years, which points to the obvious issue, EVs have no resale value.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on February 10, 2022, 07:37:19 PM

~~Quote from: Zetsu post_id=438588 time=1644539329 user_id=61~~
~~Quote from: seoulbro post_id=432381 time=1640781580 user_id=114~~
A man in Finland has blown up his Tesla vehicle with 66 pounds of dynamite in defiance over the cost of a new battery after he claimed to face a $22,000 repair bill.

Tuomas Katainen, who lives in Jaala village in south Finland's Kymenlaakso, exploded his 2012 Tesla Model S at a former quarry in a video uploaded to YouTube.

The Tesla S model 2012 cost around $57,400 to $77,400 when it was released.

Tesla's warranty covers battery replacements if the capacity drops below 70 percent within 150,000 miles or eight years of purchase, leaving some owners of the older models facing large repair bills.

Looks like you've already beat me to it, this is already Finland were cold weather should help preserve the lithium-ion battery's life span by double, yet it died in 10 years, which points to the obvious issue, EVs have no resale value.

Cold weather extends ev battery life?

I know cold weather reduces the time between charges.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Zetsu on February 10, 2022, 08:11:02 PM

~~Quote from: Fashionista post_id=438591 time=1644539839 user_id=3254~~
~~Quote from: Zetsu post_id=438588 time=1644539329 user_id=61~~
~~Quote from: seoulbro post_id=432381 time=1640781580 user_id=114~~
A man in Finland has blown up his Tesla vehicle with 66 pounds of dynamite in defiance over the cost of a new battery after he claimed to face a $22,000 repair bill.

Tuomas Katainen, who lives in Jaala village in south Finland's Kymenlaakso, exploded his 2012 Tesla Model S at a former quarry in a video uploaded to YouTube.

The Tesla S model 2012 cost around $57,400 to $77,400 when it was released.

Tesla's warranty covers battery replacements if the capacity drops below 70 percent within 150,000 miles or eight years of purchase, leaving some owners of the older models facing large repair bills.

Looks like you've already beat me to it, this is already Finland were cold weather should help preserve the lithium-ion battery's life span by double, yet it died in 10 years, which points to the obvious issue, EVs have no resale value.

Cold weather extends ev battery life?

I know cold weather reduces the time between charges.

From batteryuniversity.com 's research, they say lithium-ion batteries left at 0 degrees Celsius temperature deteriorates at half the speed compared to at room temp / 25 degrees C. Unless the sub zero temperature of Finland might have ruined the battery's chemical compound, this is something I'm not too familiar with.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on February 10, 2022, 08:27:45 PM

~~Quote from: Zetsu post_id=438594 time=1644541862 user_id=61~~
~~Quote from: Fashionista post_id=438591 time=1644539839 user_id=3254~~
~~Quote from: Zetsu post_id=438588 time=1644539329 user_id=61~~
~~Quote from: seoulbro post_id=432381 time=1640781580 user_id=114~~
A man in Finland has blown up his Tesla vehicle with 66 pounds of dynamite in defiance over the cost of a new battery after he claimed to face a $22,000 repair bill.

Tuomas Katainen, who lives in Jaala village in south Finland's Kymenlaakso, exploded his 2012 Tesla Model S at a former quarry in a video uploaded to YouTube.

The Tesla S model 2012 cost around $57,400 to $77,400 when it was released.

Tesla's warranty covers battery replacements if the capacity drops below 70 percent within 150,000 miles or eight years of purchase, leaving some owners of the older models facing large repair bills.

Looks like you've already beat me to it, this is already Finland were cold weather should help preserve the lithium-ion battery's life span by double, yet it died in 10 years, which points to the obvious issue, EVs have no resale value.

Cold weather extends ev battery life?

I know cold weather reduces the time between charges.

From batteryuniversity.com 's research, they say lithium-ion batteries left at 0 degrees Celsius temperature deteriorates at half the speed compared to at room temp / 25 degrees C. Unless the sub zero temperature of Finland might have ruined the battery's chemical compound, this is something I'm not too familiar with.

By deteriorate you mean they need recharging sooner?

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Zetsu on February 10, 2022, 10:01:23 PM

~~Quote from: Fashionista post_id=438595 time=1644542865 user_id=3254~~
~~Quote from: Zetsu post_id=438594 time=1644541862 user_id=61~~
~~Quote from: Fashionista post_id=438591 time=1644539839 user_id=3254~~
~~Quote from: Zetsu post_id=438588 time=1644539329 user_id=61~~
~~Quote from: seoulbro post_id=432381 time=1640781580 user_id=114~~
A man in Finland has blown up his Tesla vehicle with 66 pounds of dynamite in defiance over the cost of a new battery after he claimed to face a $22,000 repair bill.

Tuomas Katainen, who lives in Jaala village in south Finland's Kymenlaakso, exploded his 2012 Tesla Model S at a former quarry in a video uploaded to YouTube.

The Tesla S model 2012 cost around $57,400 to $77,400 when it was released.

Tesla's warranty covers battery replacements if the capacity drops below 70 percent within 150,000 miles or eight years of purchase, leaving some owners of the older models facing large repair bills.

Looks like you've already beat me to it, this is already Finland were cold weather should help preserve the lithium-ion battery's life span by double, yet it died in 10 years, which points to the obvious issue, EVs have no resale value.

Cold weather extends ev battery life?

I know cold weather reduces the time between charges.

From batteryuniversity.com 's research, they say lithium-ion batteries left at 0 degrees Celsius temperature deteriorates at half the speed compared to at room temp / 25 degrees C. Unless the sub zero temperature of Finland might have ruined the battery's chemical compound, this is something I'm not too familiar with.

By deteriorate you mean they need recharging sooner?

Exactly, simply charge or energy holding capacity has been downsized.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on February 10, 2022, 10:24:09 PM

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Looks like you've already beat me to it, this is already Finland were cold weather should help preserve the lithium-ion battery's life span by double, yet it died in 10 years, which points to the obvious issue, EVs have no resale value.

Cold weather extends ev battery life?

I know cold weather reduces the time between charges.

From batteryuniversity.com 's research, they say lithium-ion batteries left at 0 degrees Celsius temperature deteriorates at half the speed compared to at room temp / 25 degrees C. Unless the sub zero temperature of Finland might have ruined the battery's chemical compound, this is something I'm not too familiar with.

By deteriorate you mean they need recharging sooner?

Exactly, simply charge or energy holding capacity has been downsized.

I thought they worked the same as regular car battery or even a flashlight battery..

They get worn down faster in extreme cold.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Frood on February 10, 2022, 10:29:25 PM

Lithium ion or LIPO4 batteries degrade if you discharge them in freezing temperatures and the btu's required to keep them warm would tax the rated capacity.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Zetsu on February 10, 2022, 10:49:23 PM

Out of all these years digging up info on batteries, this is the first time knowing this. ac_drinks

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on February 12, 2022, 12:23:30 PM

Electric vehicles are an expensive(for taxpayers) toy for the most affluent.

Price Shock: Mercedes Hybrid Driver Stunned After Learning New Battery Costs More Than Value Of Car!

Leicester resident Ranjit Singh had bought the 8-year old hybrid car from a Mercedes-Benz dealership 4 years ago, paying some £27,000. At the time it had 80,000 km on it.

Four years later, last month, the pensioner took it in for repair work and was "horrified" after learning the replacement battery would come with the hefty price tag of £15,000 plus the hourly wage of £200! To make matters worse, the pensioner researched to check the vehicle's value: the Mercedes hybrid was only worth £12,850 according to Auto Trader .

Singh told LeicestershireLive: "I'm horrified by what has happened. I feel I now have just two options – scrap the eight-year-old car or spend more than it is worth."

Singh is not alone with this unpleasant experience. A search in Internet forums revealed many customers had the same problem. After 8 years the batteries are spent, and it makes little economic sense to replace them. When equipped with conventional fossil fuel engines, running a Mercedes 20 years is not uncommon. Hybrid and e-cars are no match at all when it comes to vehicle lifetime economy.

Subsidies for the wealthiest 20 per cent

Danish economist Björn Lomborg noted on Facebook e-cars are not cost-effective and are turning out to be second vehicles for the rich.

According to the UK's online Daily Mail here, citing a study by the U.S. National Bureau of Economic Research, "almost all electric car subsidies go to the wealthiest 20 per cent, for whom the purchase of an extra car is no great sacrifice. In addition, 90 per cent of electric car owners also have a fossil-fuel vehicle they use for longer journeys."

More dangerous

Another drawback: the journal Nature suggests electric cars "will likely kill more occupants of other vehicles in traffic accidents" because of their higher weight.

https://notrickszone.com/2022/02/11/price-shock-mercedes-hybrid-driver-stunned-after-learning-new-battery-costs-more-than-value-of-car/?fbclid=IwAR0eyELUaKIG2k7iekwrNLg4BR5CZgkoEenKCws6XHJ2fOn08zPz9qpapNs

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Odinson on February 20, 2022, 02:31:29 AM

Electric car insurance payments are double the amount than that of a gas car.

Electric cars are in more accidents... The leftist sissies cant drive.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on February 20, 2022, 11:46:52 AM

~~Quote from: Odinson post_id=440396 time=1645342289 user_id=136~~
Electric car insurance payments are double the amount than that of a gas car.

Electric cars are in more accidents... The leftist sissies cant drive.

That I did not know.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: cc on February 20, 2022, 11:50:51 AM

~~Quote from: seoulbro post_id=440410 time=1645375612 user_id=114~~
~~Quote from: Odinson post_id=440396 time=1645342289 user_id=136~~
Electric car insurance payments are double the amount than that of a gas car.

Electric cars are in more accidents... The leftist sissies cant drive.

That I did not know.

Does make sense. Leftist sissies supposed males didn't get the "things mechanical" genes at birth

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on February 20, 2022, 03:11:56 PM

Look at this.

:ohmy:
~~Quote~~
EV batteries could complicate recovery of burning cargo ship with thousands of cars

The ship contains thousands of Audis, Porsches, Lamborghinis, and Bentleys

A bunch of burning lithium-ion batteries could complicate the recovery of the massive, abandoned cargo ship in the Atlantic Ocean containing thousands of Porsches, Volkswagens, Bentleys, and Lamborghinis.

The batteries of an unknown number of electric vehicles have caught fire aboard the ship, captain Joao Mendes Cabecas of the port of Hortas, which is the nearest port to the ship's location, told Reuters. It's unclear at this time whether the batteries are what sparked the fire. Experts in putting out battery fires will be needed to extinguish the blaze.

"The ship is burning from one end to the other... everything is on fire about five meters above the water line," Reuters quotes Cabeças saying.

"The ship is burning from one end to the other... everything is on fire about five meters above the water line," Reuters quotes Cabeças saying.

The Felicity Ace was heading from Germany to a port in Rhode Island when it issued distress signals Wednesday morning, reporting a fire in one of its cargo decks. All 22 crew members were successfully evacuated and did not need medical attention, according to a statement by the Portuguese Navy.

The owner of the vessel is now developing a plan to recover the abandoned ship. Towing boats are en route from Gibraltar and the Netherlands and are expected to arrive at the ship's location next week.

https://www.theverge.com/2022/2/18/22940790/cargo-ship-fire-vw-porsche-lamborghini-ev-battery

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: cc on February 20, 2022, 03:17:42 PM

Oh, WOW!!

Huge environmental mess

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on February 20, 2022, 03:26:46 PM

~~Quote from: cc post_id=440430 time=1645388262 user_id=88~~
Oh, WOW!!

Huge environmental mess

It's been posted before on this forum what serious fire hazard ev's are......this accident on the Atlantic is proof of that.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: cc on February 20, 2022, 03:35:08 PM

Yes, have posted some myself on fire & unable to put out .. as have others

Further:

"The fire spread further down," he said, explaining that teams could only tackle the fire from outside by cooling down the ship's structure as it was too dangerous to go on board.

They also cannot use water because adding weight to the ship could make it more unstable, and traditional water extinguishers do not stop lithium-ion batteries from burning, Cabeças said.

https://www.reuters.com/article/volkswagen-cargo-portugal-idUSL8N2UV08I

Lithium +++ Pollution Personified

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on February 20, 2022, 03:37:53 PM

~~Quote from: cc post_id=440432 time=1645389308 user_id=88~~
Yes, have posted some myself on fire & unable to put out .. as have others

Further:

"The fire spread further down," he said, explaining that teams could only tackle the fire from outside by cooling down the ship's structure as it was too dangerous to go on board.

They also cannot use water because adding weight to the ship could make it more unstable, and traditional water extinguishers do not stop lithium-ion batteries from burning, Cabeças said.

Electric vehicle fires seem very difficult to extringuish.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: cc on February 20, 2022, 03:51:40 PM

This ship may eventually go down and batteries keep burning. Even if it doesn't the deadly pollution is extreme

Electric Cars .. Saving the world from pollution .... uh hu

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on February 20, 2022, 07:33:11 PM

I don't know anybody that owns an electric car. I would never own one as long as I live in Winnipeg.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Bricktop on February 20, 2022, 07:53:45 PM

A point well made, above.

If fossil fuels are bad for the environment, wait til the find out what the excess lithium will do.

"It is expected that lithium will be recycled from end-of-life lithium-ion batteries in the future[154] but as of 2020, batteries are not designed for recycling, the technology is not well developed, and recycling rates are 5% or lower.[155] In any case, the most valuable component is likely to remain the NCM cathode material, and the recovery of this material is expected to be the driver.[156]"

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on February 20, 2022, 07:59:59 PM

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I don't know anybody that owns an electric car. I would never own one as long as I live in Winnipeg.

We're not interested in electric vehicles.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: cc on February 20, 2022, 08:12:29 PM

If that burning ship full of electric cars goes down (with crew removed and watching) the environmental sea damage will be humongous

I "think" the burning will continue till complete even underwater .. open to being contradicted on that

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on February 20, 2022, 08:42:41 PM

~~Quote from: cc post_id=440483 time=1645405949 user_id=88~~
If that burning ship full of electric cars goes down (with crew removed and watching) the environmental sea damage will be humongous

I "think" the burning will continue till complete even underwater .. open to being contradicted on that

Yes, it will.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on February 20, 2022, 08:57:42 PM

~~Quote from: cc post_id=440483 time=1645405949 user_id=88~~
If that burning ship full of electric cars goes down (with crew removed and watching) the environmental sea damage will be humongous

I "think" the burning will continue till complete even underwater .. open to being contradicted on that

Prog media will barely cover it even though it is a hell of a lot worse environmentally than an offshore rig's BOP stack not being shut in on time and causing a pressurized blowout.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: cc on February 20, 2022, 09:04:24 PM

True. They are spinning their wheels off at this moment

UPDATE 1 Hour ago

Currently is is still burning top toward bottom with flames getting lower and lower in the ship

There is talk firefighting ships are on the way, but look at the pic - What can they do to slow it down? No amount of water will put out burning batteries .. best it can do is cool the outsides of the ship a bit in a fight to keep it afloat

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Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on February 20, 2022, 09:18:06 PM

~~Quote from: cc post_id=440492 time=1645409064 user_id=88~~
True. They are spinning their wheels off at this moment

UPDATE 1 Hour ago

Currently is is still burning top toward bottom with flames getting lower and lower in the ship

There is talk firefighting ships are on the way, but look at the pic - What can they do to slow it down? No amount of water will put out burning batteries .. best it can do is cool the outsides of the ship a bit in a fight to keep it afloat

(//%3C/s%3E%3CURL%20url=%22https://www.maritime-executive.com/media/images/article/Photos/Wreckage_Salvage/felicity-ace-20-feb-portuguese-navy.6eb5b4.jpg%22%3E%3CLINK_TEXT%20text=%22https://www.maritime-executive.com/medi%20...%206eb5b4.jpg%22%3Ehttps://www.maritime-executive.com/media/images/article/Photos/Wreckage_Salvage/felicity-ace-20-feb-portuguese-navy.6eb5b4.jpg%3C/LINK_TEXT%3E%3C/URL%3E%3Ce%3E)

~~cc, Global Calgary didn't even mention this.~~

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: cc on February 20, 2022, 09:25:20 PM

Ya. It's not what PC wants .. Bad stuff about electric they just want to go away

I forgot to link above https://www.maritime-executive.com/article/car-carrier-felicity-ace-continues-to-burn

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on February 20, 2022, 09:49:02 PM

~~Quote from: cc post_id=440503 time=1645410320 user_id=88~~
Ya. It's not what PC wants .. Bad stuff about electric they just want to go away

I forgot to link above https://www.maritime-executive.com/article/car-carrier-felicity-ace-continues-to-burn

Thank you for the link cc.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Zetsu on February 20, 2022, 10:05:53 PM

~~Quote from: Fashionista post_id=440428 time=1645387916 user_id=3254~~
Look at this.

:ohmy:
~~Quote~~
EV batteries could complicate recovery of burning cargo ship with thousands of cars

The ship contains thousands of Audis, Porsches, Lamborghinis, and Bentleys

A bunch of burning lithium-ion batteries could complicate the recovery of the massive, abandoned cargo ship in the Atlantic Ocean containing thousands of Porsches, Volkswagens, Bentleys, and Lamborghinis.

The batteries of an unknown number of electric vehicles have caught fire aboard the ship, captain Joao Mendes Cabecas of the port of Hortas, which is the nearest port to the ship's location, told Reuters. It's unclear at this time whether the batteries are what sparked the fire. Experts in putting out battery fires will be needed to extinguish the blaze.

"The ship is burning from one end to the other... everything is on fire about five meters above the water line," Reuters quotes Cabeças saying.

"The ship is burning from one end to the other... everything is on fire about five meters above the water line," Reuters quotes Cabeças saying.

The Felicity Ace was heading from Germany to a port in Rhode Island when it issued distress signals Wednesday morning, reporting a fire in one of its cargo decks. All 22 crew members were successfully evacuated and did not need medical attention, according to a statement by the Portuguese Navy.

The owner of the vessel is now developing a plan to recover the abandoned ship. Towing boats are en route from Gibraltar and the Netherlands and are expected to arrive at the ship's location next week.

https://www.theverge.com/2022/2/18/22940790/cargo-ship-fire-vw-porsche-lamborghini-ev-battery

It makes me wonder is this caused by VW's new EVs.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on February 20, 2022, 10:08:51 PM

~~Quote from: Zetsu post_id=440513 time=1645412753 user_id=61~~
~~Quote from: Fashionista post_id=440428 time=1645387916 user_id=3254~~
Look at this.

:ohmy:
~~Quote~~
EV batteries could complicate recovery of burning cargo ship with thousands of cars

The ship contains thousands of Audis, Porsches, Lamborghinis, and Bentleys

A bunch of burning lithium-ion batteries could complicate the recovery of the massive, abandoned cargo ship in the Atlantic Ocean containing thousands of Porsches, Volkswagens, Bentleys, and Lamborghinis.

The batteries of an unknown number of electric vehicles have caught fire aboard the ship, captain Joao Mendes Cabecas of the port of Hortas, which is the nearest port to the ship's location, told Reuters. It's unclear at this time whether the batteries are what sparked the fire. Experts in putting out battery fires will be needed to extinguish the blaze.

"The ship is burning from one end to the other... everything is on fire about five meters above the water line," Reuters quotes Cabeças saying.

"The ship is burning from one end to the other... everything is on fire about five meters above the water line," Reuters quotes Cabeças saying.

The Felicity Ace was heading from Germany to a port in Rhode Island when it issued distress signals Wednesday morning, reporting a fire in one of its cargo decks. All 22 crew members were successfully evacuated and did not need medical attention, according to a statement by the Portuguese Navy.

The owner of the vessel is now developing a plan to recover the abandoned ship. Towing boats are en route from Gibraltar and the Netherlands and are expected to arrive at the ship's location next week.

https://www.theverge.com/2022/2/18/22940790/cargo-ship-fire-vw-porsche-lamborghini-ev-battery

It makes me wonder is this caused by VW's new EVs.

It's all EVs. All I got to say about that is ac_toofunny ac_lmfao :roll:

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Frood on February 20, 2022, 10:44:22 PM

~~Quote from: Fashionista post_id=440433 time=1645389473 user_id=3254~~
~~Quote from: cc post_id=440432 time=1645389308 user_id=88~~
Yes, have posted some myself on fire & unable to put out .. as have others

Further:

"The fire spread further down," he said, explaining that teams could only tackle the fire from outside by cooling down the ship's structure as it was too dangerous to go on board.

They also cannot use water because adding weight to the ship could make it more unstable, and traditional water extinguishers do not stop lithium-ion batteries from burning, Cabeças said.

Electric vehicle fires seem very difficult to extringuish.

A forklift I saw in a warehouse shorted out and went up in flames. Took 45 minutes to stop the burn.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Bricktop on February 20, 2022, 11:04:45 PM

~~Quote from: Fashionista post_id=440433 time=1645389473 user_id=3254~~

Electric vehicle fires seem very difficult to extringuish.

Can't use water, for obvious reasons. Have to use a dry powder extinguisher.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Frood on February 20, 2022, 11:17:02 PM

In the instance I pointed out, about a dozen of them.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on February 20, 2022, 11:40:23 PM

~~Quote from: Bricktop post_id=440521 time=1645416285 user_id=1560~~
~~Quote from: Fashionista post_id=440433 time=1645389473 user_id=3254~~

Electric vehicle fires seem very difficult to extringuish.

Can't use water, for obvious reasons. Have to use a dry powder extinguisher.

And even with that it seems to take longer to extinguish battery fires.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Zetsu on February 21, 2022, 07:42:25 AM

~~Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=440514 time=1645412931 user_id=56~~
~~Quote from: Zetsu post_id=440513 time=1645412753 user_id=61~~
~~Quote from: Fashionista post_id=440428 time=1645387916 user_id=3254~~
Look at this.

:ohmy:
~~Quote~~
EV batteries could complicate recovery of burning cargo ship with thousands of cars

The ship contains thousands of Audis, Porsches, Lamborghinis, and Bentleys

A bunch of burning lithium-ion batteries could complicate the recovery of the massive, abandoned cargo ship in the Atlantic Ocean containing thousands of Porsches, Volkswagens, Bentleys, and Lamborghinis.

The batteries of an unknown number of electric vehicles have caught fire aboard the ship, captain Joao Mendes Cabecas of the port of Hortas, which is the nearest port to the ship's location, told Reuters. It's unclear at this time whether the batteries are what sparked the fire. Experts in putting out battery fires will be needed to extinguish the blaze.

"The ship is burning from one end to the other... everything is on fire about five meters above the water line," Reuters quotes Cabeças saying.

"The ship is burning from one end to the other... everything is on fire about five meters above the water line," Reuters quotes Cabeças saying.

The Felicity Ace was heading from Germany to a port in Rhode Island when it issued distress signals Wednesday morning, reporting a fire in one of its cargo decks. All 22 crew members were successfully evacuated and did not need medical attention, according to a statement by the Portuguese Navy.

The owner of the vessel is now developing a plan to recover the abandoned ship. Towing boats are en route from Gibraltar and the Netherlands and are expected to arrive at the ship's location next week.

https://www.theverge.com/2022/2/18/22940790/cargo-ship-fire-vw-porsche-lamborghini-ev-battery

It makes me wonder is this caused by VW's new EVs.

It's all EVs. All I got to say about that is ac_toofunny ac_lmfao :roll:

Lol I have to agree when even a $100,000 Tesla can engulf in flames.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on February 21, 2022, 10:14:47 AM

~~Quote from: Zetsu post_id=440561 time=1645447345 user_id=61~~
~~Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=440514 time=1645412931 user_id=56~~
~~Quote from: Zetsu post_id=440513 time=1645412753 user_id=61~~
~~Quote from: Fashionista post_id=440428 time=1645387916 user_id=3254~~
Look at this.

:ohmy:
~~Quote~~
EV batteries could complicate recovery of burning cargo ship with thousands of cars

The ship contains thousands of Audis, Porsches, Lamborghinis, and Bentleys

A bunch of burning lithium-ion batteries could complicate the recovery of the massive, abandoned cargo ship in the Atlantic Ocean containing thousands of Porsches, Volkswagens, Bentleys, and Lamborghinis.

The batteries of an unknown number of electric vehicles have caught fire aboard the ship, captain Joao Mendes Cabecas of the port of Hortas, which is the nearest port to the ship's location, told Reuters. It's unclear at this time whether the batteries are what sparked the fire. Experts in putting out battery fires will be needed to extinguish the blaze.

"The ship is burning from one end to the other... everything is on fire about five meters above the water line," Reuters quotes Cabeças saying.

"The ship is burning from one end to the other... everything is on fire about five meters above the water line," Reuters quotes Cabeças saying.

The Felicity Ace was heading from Germany to a port in Rhode Island when it issued distress signals Wednesday morning, reporting a fire in one of its cargo decks. All 22 crew members were successfully evacuated and did not need medical attention, according to a statement by the Portuguese Navy.

The owner of the vessel is now developing a plan to recover the abandoned ship. Towing boats are en route from Gibraltar and the Netherlands and are expected to arrive at the ship's location next week.

https://www.theverge.com/2022/2/18/22940790/cargo-ship-fire-vw-porsche-lamborghini-ev-battery

It makes me wonder is this caused by VW's new EVs.

It's all EVs. All I got to say about that is ac_toofunny ac_lmfao :roll:

Lol I have to agree when even a $100,000 Tesla can engulf in flames.

That's not something Elon Musk wants people to know.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Zetsu on February 21, 2022, 10:54:04 AM

~~Quote from: Fashionista post_id=440564 time=1645456487 user_id=3254~~
~~Quote from: Zetsu post_id=440561 time=1645447345 user_id=61~~
~~Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=440514 time=1645412931 user_id=56~~
~~Quote from: Zetsu post_id=440513 time=1645412753 user_id=61~~
~~Quote from: Fashionista post_id=440428 time=1645387916 user_id=3254~~
Look at this.

:ohmy:

https://www.theverge.com/2022/2/18/22940790/cargo-ship-fire-vw-porsche-lamborghini-ev-battery

It makes me wonder is this caused by VW's new EVs.

It's all EVs. All I got to say about that is ac_toofunny ac_lmfao :roll:

Lol I have to agree when even a $100,000 Tesla can engulf in flames.

That's mot something Elon Musk wants people to know.

Lol not to mention if it catches on fire while inside a garage, I couldn't imagine the damage it will cause.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: cc on March 02, 2022, 03:17:22 PM

As was always was to be the end result on this one ....

Ship Carrying Luxury Cars Sinks Near Azores Islands After Burning For Weeks ... Guardian - Suspicion Has Fallen On Lithium Batteries Used In Electric Vehicles (//https)

BURNED OUT HULK

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An abandoned ship carrying an estimated $401m (£295m) worth of cars, including Porsche, Audi, Bentley and Lamborghini models, has sunk nearly two weeks after a fire broke out onboard.

The Felicity Ace sank on Tuesday about 400 kilometers (250 miles) off Portugal's Azores Islands as it was being towed, MOL Ship Management in Singapore said in a statement. A salvage team had put out the fire which had burned for days, fueled by lithium-ion batteries in electric vehicles onboard.

Guardian Sub Headline - " Authorities fear that thousands of tons of fuel carried onboard could leak and pollute the ocean"

["Fuel" eh?? .. ummm . .errr .. what about the 1000s of car batteries & the lithium etc. etc. :wink: ]

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on March 02, 2022, 03:31:07 PM

The Guardian sub headline is laughable. But, the Guradian itself is a laughable prog rag.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on March 03, 2022, 01:09:30 AM

This article goes on and there is a forty two minute video attached to it. You get the point though. Electric cars, wind and solar suck up a lot of resources we don't have enough of and produce real pollution. Not just plant food C02.

The Price of Green Energy Will Destroy Us.

The Illusion of Eco Cars

https://rclutz.com/2022/02/26/the-illusion-of-eco-cars/?fbclid=IwAR1ixZUgMxp8Q6Aklgn71nqhZoif77XC5bV6LyVWf_75NyrL-tLCWBD6gdc

The message is not about the exorbitant expense so much as the destruction of the world's environment in order to save it.

What if these supposedly clean energies are nothing of the sort, if they ultimately inflict even more damage on the environment than fossil fuels?

"Everything surrounding us in society is made up of minerals. Basically electric cars are made of metals and minerals, and they need to be mined somewhere."

" There's no such thing as clean energy. As long as we've got this kind of human behavior, there will also be pollution."

By 2023 it's hoped that 225 billion euros will have been invested in e-cars worldwide. That's the price of a ticket to tomorrow's world.

CEO VW France: ' It's a future market that so far makes up just a few percent of the overall market but this market will explode. We're gearing ourselves up for a completely different ballpark. "The electric car will grow from niche product to mass-produced one, and we'll be offering it at prices everyone can afford."

They no longer run on petrol or diesel. But other raw materials are essential in the manufacture of their batteries. Rare metals for example. These metals are already present in many components of our combustion vehicles. For example cerium ensures that windshields can filter UV rays. And we owe the colors and touch sensitivity of dashboard screens to europium and indium.

hey're crucial for the vehicle's operation. Without neodymium for example, an e-car wouldn't even be able to start. Neodymium is used to make magnets; they convert electric energy into mechanical energy, thereby powering the car.

The battery is the heart of an electric car. It constitutes up to 50 percent of the vehicle's weight and contains cobalt and graphite among other elements. But that's not all. A battery contains many rare metals, especially lithium, that's the lightest one. It allows an exchange of electrons which in turn charges or discharges energy.

The auto industry is reliant on these little known raw materials and they're also present in most other green technologies. It's not just the e-car that needs rare metals they're used everywhere for the magnets and wind turbine motors, for example. Rare metals are also crucial for the manufacture of solar cells, for photovoltaic systems. Without them we couldn't generate any green renewable energies.

So where do these vital resources come from? Cobalt is chiefly mined in the Democratic Republic of the Congo. Australia Chile and Bolivia all have huge lithium reserves, and Indonesia is a key producer of nickel, zirconium and tin. Today nations on all continents produce many hundred million tons of these raw materials. One country in particular owns vast reserves of strategic resources. China is the dominant producer of these sought after metals. In particular it produces two-thirds of the world's supply of a mineral that's especially important to green tech companies: Graphite.

We're in the far north of the country, in the province of Heilongjiang. Almost unnoticed excavators have carried away an entire mountain right down to the ground water level to secure our green future. Graphite is often produced in ramshackle factories. These men work day and night without adequate clothing or respiratory protection. They're the miners of the 21st century.

Miner: "We know our job exposes us to a health risk but we wear a mask for protection. Breathing this air over a long period of time can give you silicosis, where the lung becomes as hard as stone."

The fine black dust floating in the air contains hydrofluoric acid. Inhaling large amounts of this caustic contact poison can potentially cause death.

"Do you know what this graphite's used for?"

Miner: "For lots of things. For example, these days it's used in all types of e-cars mainly for electric car batteries."

The graphite residues are dispersed over many kilometers throughout the surrounding area. Before their very eyes farmers are witnessing a huge toxic carpet of dust building up on the region's fields. Here the plants no longer sprout any leaves and the soil is losing its fertility.

The paradox is that greenhouse gas emissions continue to exacerbate climate change all around our planet.

Engineer: To make something clean you always have to pollute something else. There's no such thing as a co2 free and 100 % ecological product, regardless of what we might sometimes read on the label. It's impossible, there's always going to be a knock-on effect. If we want to see what pollution looks like, the environmental damage caused by our ever so clean products which we like to believe are made by workers in white coats, then we only need to look at industrial zones in China or elsewhere."

A wind turbine consists of an average 20 tons of aluminum and up to 500 tons of steel. An e-car contains up to 80 kilos of copper, four times more than in some combustion vehicles. This reddish-brown metal is especially important for green tech companies.

Jean-Marc Sauser: "The energy transition is consuming huge amounts of copper, not just in the construction of wind turbines, but also in the connector cables that link the turbines to each other and the grid. The electricity has to reach its target destination after all. If you want electric cars, then you need charging points everywhere. For that you have to lay copper cables, and that's what's happening at the moment.

Olivier Vidal: "If you take copper for example, it gives us a clear illustration of what's going on. Since the beginning of time humanity has produced between 800 million and a billion tons of copper. If we continue on this current growth trajectory will produce the same amount in the next 30 years. We'll have to produce as much copper in three decades as we've consumed since the beginning of time. The demand is huge."

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: cc on March 03, 2022, 12:14:01 PM

^^^ Our elite are taking us down the road to ruin

We are being led through a long tunnel that slowly becomes more narrow as we move through it with no end to ever get out

Meanwhile, they let China do what it wants

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on March 03, 2022, 03:36:39 PM

~~Quote from: cc post_id=442229 time=1646327641 user_id=88~~
^^^ Our elite are taking us down the road to ruin

We are being led through a long tunnel that slowly becomes more narrow as we move through it with no end to ever get out

Meanwhile, they let China do what it wants

China sells us the solar panels that they tell us we must buy to save the planet......while they build coal fired power plants.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Bricktop on March 03, 2022, 04:23:03 PM

Electric vehicles will be a hard sell in a vast land like ours. They might take you to the local supermarket, but they won't get you to the nearest town, which can be hundreds of kilometres away.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: cc on March 03, 2022, 04:37:42 PM

~~Quote from: Fashionista post_id=442243 time=1646339799 user_id=3254~~
~~Quote from: cc post_id=442229 time=1646327641 user_id=88~~
^^^ Our elite are taking us down the road to ruin

We are being led through a long tunnel that slowly becomes more narrow as we move through it with no end to ever get out

Meanwhile, they let China do what it wants

China sells us the solar panels that they tell us we must buy to save the planet......while they build coal fired power plants.

Yes, not just use coal, but also no plans to ever close them + plans to build many more

We are being lead astray by the left .. in fact, being lead to ruin

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on March 09, 2022, 12:35:54 PM

Does Justin Trudeau know the price of nickel increased the cost of an EV battery by over $1,000 overnight? Even Elon musk says we need increased O&G output immediately.

Nickel price surge could add $1,000 to production of an electric vehicle: Morgan Stanley

https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/nickel-price-surge-added-1000-to-cost-of-an-electric-vehicle-morgan-stanley-175726024.html

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: cc on March 09, 2022, 02:54:58 PM

The very recent increase in the price of Nickel has gone up so fast and high that it has added another $1,000 to the price of each electric so-called car

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on March 09, 2022, 03:04:39 PM

~~Quote from: seoulbro post_id=442977 time=1646847354 user_id=114~~
Does Justin Trudeau know the price of nickel increased the cost of an EV battery by over $1,000 overnight? Even Elon musk says we need increased O&G output immediately.

Nickel price surge could add $1,000 to production of an electric vehicle: Morgan Stanley

https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/nickel-price-surge-added-1000-to-cost-of-an-electric-vehicle-morgan-stanley-175726024.html

We are subsidizing electric cars for rich people and forcing the price of fuel and heating our homes higher for working class people. Progtards have screwed up priorities.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Bricktop on March 09, 2022, 04:36:32 PM

A lot of Australians like to tour this vast country with caravans. In remote areas, that is the only accommodation you will get.

How long will an electric vehicle last towing heavy loads?

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on March 09, 2022, 06:36:57 PM

~~Quote from: Bricktop post_id=443007 time=1646861792 user_id=1560~~
A lot of Australians like to tour this vast country with caravans. In remote areas, that is the only accommodation you will get.

How long will an electric vehicle last towing heavy loads?

Any type of heavy vehicle in hot or cold climates.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Bricktop on March 16, 2022, 06:47:40 PM

If you're considering buying an electric vehicle, here's an interesting test of a Skoda (Volkswagen) EV.

If you want the short version, it amply demonstrates how adding load to an electric vehicle can severely curtail range. The car used in this test is much closer to a consumer level model that the average customer would buy.

Adding roof racks and other airflow obstructions drop the range by a considerable amount. Even additional passengers will drop the range, as will turning on accessories and lights.

And for caravan towing, the range is more than halved.

To achieve a rapid recharge rate you need to upgrade the charger (at a price) to allow you to recharge in 34 minutes. That's right folks...for 34 minutes (minimum) you'll be sitting in your car listening to Barry Manilow while the kids bicker and fight. And that might be required every 100 miles or 160 kilometres. In Australia, recharging at the FASTEST rate will add 90 minutes to your journey...assuming a charge port is available on your journey, and there's no queue.

Without a rapid charger, using your home power resources, recharge will take 13 hours.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmQJUW-VyRY

And where does the electricity for these junk piles come from??

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on March 16, 2022, 07:58:07 PM

But, wouldn't adding weight reduce mileage in a gasoline car?

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on March 16, 2022, 08:37:45 PM

Video shows enormous line of Teslas waiting to charge in Louisiana.

~~[media]~~https://www.facebook.com/candace.l.metz/posts/10219714762729658[/media]

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Bricktop on March 16, 2022, 08:46:59 PM

~~Quote from: Fashionista post_id=443755 time=1647475087 user_id=3254~~
But, wouldn't adding weight reduce mileage in a gasoline car?

There is no free energy. Of course petrol powered vehicles use more fuel when load on the engine increases.

But battery drain is a different phenomenon than a fuel tank depleting. As I understand it, oil based fuels provide much more energy per unit than electricity, so they cope better with greater demand on their output. I believe that when batteries start to drain, they lose efficiency and so have to direct more of their power to keep the machine functioning. Petrol engines do not lose power as their petrol depletes. A car with half a tank of petrol continues to function normally. A half charged battery loses power.

Electric vehicles have another serious design flaw; by definition they must carry far more weight unloaded than petrol vehicles because of the batteries they carry.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on March 16, 2022, 09:04:18 PM

~~Quote from: Bricktop post_id=443766 time=1647478019 user_id=1560~~
~~Quote from: Fashionista post_id=443755 time=1647475087 user_id=3254~~
But, wouldn't adding weight reduce mileage in a gasoline car?

There is no free energy. Of course petrol powered vehicles use more fuel when load on the engine increases.

But battery drain is a different phenomenon than a fuel tank depleting. As I understand it, oil based fuels provide much more energy per unit than electricity, so they cope better with greater demand on their output. I believe that when batteries start to drain, they lose efficiency and so have to direct more of their power to keep the machine functioning. Petrol engines do not lose power as their petrol depletes. A car with half a tank of petrol continues to function normally. A half charged battery loses power.

Electric vehicles have another serious design flaw; by definition they must carry far more weight unloaded than petrol vehicles because of the batteries they carry.

True.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Zetsu on March 16, 2022, 10:23:54 PM

~~Quote from: Herman post_id=443763 time=1647477465 user_id=1689~~
Video shows enormous line of Teslas waiting to charge in Louisiana.

~~[media]~~https://www.facebook.com/candace.l.metz/posts/10219714762729658[/media]

Lol makes me remember I was almost once those people in the line waiting to charge up their cars, but I'm glad I got a diesel instead and got the best of 3 worlds of energy efficiency of a hybrid, convenience of fueling up and high torque of a SUV.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on March 16, 2022, 10:27:00 PM

It takes five minutes to fill my tank.....I couldn't imagine waiting hours to charge a car.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Zetsu on March 16, 2022, 10:31:24 PM

~~Quote from: Bricktop post_id=443766 time=1647478019 user_id=1560~~
~~Quote from: Fashionista post_id=443755 time=1647475087 user_id=3254~~
But, wouldn't adding weight reduce mileage in a gasoline car?

There is no free energy. Of course petrol powered vehicles use more fuel when load on the engine increases.

But battery drain is a different phenomenon than a fuel tank depleting. As I understand it, oil based fuels provide much more energy per unit than electricity, so they cope better with greater demand on their output. I believe that when batteries start to drain, they lose efficiency and so have to direct more of their power to keep the machine functioning. Petrol engines do not lose power as their petrol depletes. A car with half a tank of petrol continues to function normally. A half charged battery loses power.

Electric vehicles have another serious design flaw; by definition they must carry far more weight unloaded than petrol vehicles because of the batteries they carry.

The scary part of owning a Tesla model S or X is their batteries cost at least $50 grand but only last at most 10 years. Pretty much every day the battery loses about $15 of it's value, after 10 years the car can't be resold and the battery isn't recyclable.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Zetsu on March 16, 2022, 10:38:24 PM

~~Quote from: Fashionista post_id=443789 time=1647484020 user_id=3254~~
It takes five minutes to fill my tank.....I couldn't imagine waiting hours to charge a car.

It's pretty crazy how many bottle necks EVs have, and I almost fell for it too. The energy might be cheap, but wasting hours every day just to charge up in order to get home would drive me insane.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on March 16, 2022, 10:47:21 PM

~~Quote from: Zetsu post_id=443793 time=1647484704 user_id=61~~
~~Quote from: Fashionista post_id=443789 time=1647484020 user_id=3254~~
It takes five minutes to fill my tank.....I couldn't imagine waiting hours to charge a car.

It's pretty crazy how many bottle necks EVs have, and I almost fell for it too. The energy might be cheap, but wasting hours every day just to charge up in order to get home would drive me insane.

I remember when you were all hot and horny for ev's.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Zetsu on March 16, 2022, 10:55:30 PM

~~Quote from: Herman post_id=443794 time=1647485241 user_id=1689~~
~~Quote from: Zetsu post_id=443793 time=1647484704 user_id=61~~
~~Quote from: Fashionista post_id=443789 time=1647484020 user_id=3254~~
It takes five minutes to fill my tank.....I couldn't imagine waiting hours to charge a car.

It's pretty crazy how many bottle necks EVs have, and I almost fell for it too. The energy might be cheap, but wasting hours every day just to charge up in order to get home would drive me insane.

I remember when you were all hot and horny for ev's.

I'm just so glad I got over my EV fever, lol, and it'll suck if I ever got all the houses around me burned to the ground all just for a EV.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Bricktop on March 16, 2022, 11:01:52 PM

Most power grids struggle to meet demand as it is.

Imagine if every vehicle on the road will need charging.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on March 16, 2022, 11:05:25 PM

~~Quote from: Bricktop post_id=443802 time=1647486112 user_id=1560~~
Most power grids struggle to meet demand as it is.

Imagine if every vehicle on the road will need charging.

And they want the electricity to come from wind and solar which can't produce anything close to what we need now.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on March 17, 2022, 07:32:06 AM

~~Quote from: Herman post_id=443804 time=1647486325 user_id=1689~~
~~Quote from: Bricktop post_id=443802 time=1647486112 user_id=1560~~
Most power grids struggle to meet demand as it is.

Imagine if every vehicle on the road will need charging.

And they want the electricity to come from wind and solar which can't produce anything close to what we need now.

More demand for electricity and less ability to produce it.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on March 17, 2022, 08:45:52 AM

~~Quote from: Fashionista post_id=443817 time=1647516726 user_id=3254~~
~~Quote from: Herman post_id=443804 time=1647486325 user_id=1689~~
~~Quote from: Bricktop post_id=443802 time=1647486112 user_id=1560~~
Most power grids struggle to meet demand as it is.

Imagine if every vehicle on the road will need charging.

And they want the electricity to come from wind and solar which can't produce anything close to what we need now.

More demand for electricity and less ability to produce it.

Equals higher costs and reduced living standards.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on March 17, 2022, 11:07:47 AM

~~Quote from: seoulbro post_id=443823 time=1647521152 user_id=114~~
~~Quote from: Fashionista post_id=443817 time=1647516726 user_id=3254~~
~~Quote from: Herman post_id=443804 time=1647486325 user_id=1689~~
~~Quote from: Bricktop post_id=443802 time=1647486112 user_id=1560~~
Most power grids struggle to meet demand as it is.

Imagine if every vehicle on the road will need charging.

And they want the electricity to come from wind and solar which can't produce anything close to what we need now.

More demand for electricity and less ability to produce it.

Equals higher costs and reduced living standards.

:sad:

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on March 17, 2022, 06:04:09 PM

~~Quote from: seoulbro post_id=443823 time=1647521152 user_id=114~~
~~Quote from: Fashionista post_id=443817 time=1647516726 user_id=3254~~
~~Quote from: Herman post_id=443804 time=1647486325 user_id=1689~~
~~Quote from: Bricktop post_id=443802 time=1647486112 user_id=1560~~
Most power grids struggle to meet demand as it is.

Imagine if every vehicle on the road will need charging.

And they want the electricity to come from wind and solar which can't produce anything close to what we need now.

More demand for electricity and less ability to produce it.

Equals higher costs and reduced living standards.

Just what rich prog pricks want.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: cc on March 18, 2022, 09:55:24 PM

The myth of the $10 EV recharge

Fake prices in the involuntary auto economy (//https)

n the magic world of the electric vehicle, nothing is priced at cost plus profit. Since there are no honest profits yet to be made in the Canadian EV market, the business of developing, producing, marketing and selling electric vehicles operates under a centrally planned command-and-control economic system. Nothing is real in the EV market, from the price of new Chevy Bolts to the cost of manufacture to the cost of filling up an EV at a charging station.

" In a centrally planned command economy, decision-making is centralized. "The government controls all of the supply and sets all of the demand. Prices cannot arise naturally like in a market economy, so prices in the economy must be set by government officials."

That pretty much defines the EV market today and as it will exist in the future under government mandates that will force the auto industry to stop selling internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles by 2035. Consumers will have no choice in the matter. As Environment Minister Steven Guilbeault said the other day, "it will not be voluntary." Governments plan to control prices, investment and consumer decisions, regardless of the reality of costs.

Governments also charge taxes on gasoline, revenue that is at least nominally collected to pay for roads and other infrastructure needed to support transport. Road spending will still be needed with EVs on the road. At current gas prices of $1.45 a litre, Ontario drivers currently pay 25 cents a litre in federal/provincial taxes (excluding carbon and sales taxes), which means that an EV driver should also be paying the equivalent amount to cover the same road cost. The tax-cost of filling up a gas engine at current prices, about $20, should be added to the price of an EV charge.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on March 18, 2022, 09:58:30 PM

~~Quote from: cc post_id=443990 time=1647654924 user_id=88~~
The myth of the $10 EV recharge

Fake prices in the involuntary auto economy (//https)

n the magic world of the electric vehicle, nothing is priced at cost plus profit. Since there are no honest profits yet to be made in the Canadian EV market, the business of developing, producing, marketing and selling electric vehicles operates under a centrally planned command-and-control economic system. Nothing is real in the EV market, from the price of new Chevy Bolts to the cost of manufacture to the cost of filling up an EV at a charging station.

" In a centrally planned command economy, decision-making is centralized. "The government controls all of the supply and sets all of the demand. Prices cannot arise naturally like in a market economy, so prices in the economy must be set by government officials."

That pretty much defines the EV market today and as it will exist in the future under government mandates that will force the auto industry to stop selling internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles by 2035. Consumers will have no choice in the matter. As Environment Minister Steven Guilbeault said the other day, "it will not be voluntary." Governments plan to control prices, investment and consumer decisions, regardless of the reality of costs.

Governments also charge taxes on gasoline, revenue that is at least nominally collected to pay for roads and other infrastructure needed to support transport. Road spending will still be needed with EVs on the road. At current gas prices of $1.45 a litre, Ontario drivers currently pay 25 cents a litre in federal/provincial taxes (excluding carbon and sales taxes), which means that an EV driver should also be paying the equivalent amount to cover the same road cost. The tax-cost of filling up a gas engine at current prices, about $20, should be added to the price of an EV charge.

The tax free status of ev's will not last long.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on March 20, 2022, 07:36:36 PM

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Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Thiel on March 21, 2022, 06:08:11 AM

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Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Frood on March 21, 2022, 06:19:25 AM

~~Quote from: Herman post_id=443992 time=1647655110 user_id=1689~~
~~Quote from: cc post_id=443990 time=1647654924 user_id=88~~
The myth of the $10 EV recharge

Fake prices in the involuntary auto economy (//https)

n the magic world of the electric vehicle, nothing is priced at cost plus profit. Since there are no honest profits yet to be made in the Canadian EV market, the business of developing, producing, marketing and selling electric vehicles operates under a centrally planned command-and-control economic system. Nothing is real in the EV market, from the price of new Chevy Bolts to the cost of manufacture to the cost of filling up an EV at a charging station.

" In a centrally planned command economy, decision-making is centralized. "The government controls all of the supply and sets all of the demand. Prices cannot arise naturally like in a market economy, so prices in the economy must be set by government officials."

That pretty much defines the EV market today and as it will exist in the future under government mandates that will force the auto industry to stop selling internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles by 2035. Consumers will have no choice in the matter. As Environment Minister Steven Guilbeault said the other day, "it will not be voluntary." Governments plan to control prices, investment and consumer decisions, regardless of the reality of costs.

Governments also charge taxes on gasoline, revenue that is at least nominally collected to pay for roads and other infrastructure needed to support transport. Road spending will still be needed with EVs on the road. At current gas prices of $1.45 a litre, Ontario drivers currently pay 25 cents a litre in federal/provincial taxes (excluding carbon and sales taxes), which means that an EV driver should also be paying the equivalent amount to cover the same road cost. The tax-cost of filling up a gas engine at current prices, about $20, should be added to the price of an EV charge.

The tax free status of ev's will not last long.

The roll-out of pv on household's are hitting Australians hard these days. The credits they were promised on their bills are disappearing.

In some cases, they have lost all benefit of getting solar on their roofs (because they were jacked in solely to the grid.... not because others bought into battery banks).

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on March 21, 2022, 08:58:32 AM

~~Quote from: Herman post_id=443992 time=1647655110 user_id=1689~~
~~Quote from: cc post_id=443990 time=1647654924 user_id=88~~
The myth of the $10 EV recharge

Fake prices in the involuntary auto economy (//opinion/terence-corcoran-the-myth-of-the-10-ev-recharge)

n the magic world of the electric vehicle, nothing is priced at cost plus profit. Since there are no honest profits yet to be made in the Canadian EV market, the business of developing, producing, marketing and selling electric vehicles operates under a centrally planned command-and-control economic system. Nothing is real in the EV market, from the price of new Chevy Bolts to the cost of manufacture to the cost of filling up an EV at a charging station.

" In a centrally planned command economy, decision-making is centralized. "The government controls all of the supply and sets all of the demand. Prices cannot arise naturally like in a market economy, so prices in the economy must be set by government officials."

That pretty much defines the EV market today and as it will exist in the future under government mandates that will force the auto industry to stop selling internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles by 2035. Consumers will have no choice in the matter. As Environment Minister Steven Guilbeault said the other day, "it will not be voluntary." Governments plan to control prices, investment and consumer decisions, regardless of the reality of costs.

Governments also charge taxes on gasoline, revenue that is at least nominally collected to pay for roads and other infrastructure needed to support transport. Road spending will still be needed with EVs on the road. At current gas prices of $1.45 a litre, Ontario drivers currently pay 25 cents a litre in federal/provincial taxes (excluding carbon and sales taxes), which means that an EV driver should also be paying the equivalent amount to cover the same road cost. The tax-cost of filling up a gas engine at current prices, about $20, should be added to the price of an EV charge.

The tax free status of ev's will not last long.

Do you mean a way of taxing charging to cover the loss in gasoline revenue?

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on March 22, 2022, 08:32:56 PM

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Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on March 22, 2022, 08:53:18 PM

~~Quote from: Herman post_id=444323 time=1647995576 user_id=1689~~
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~~:laugh:~~

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: cc on March 22, 2022, 09:19:33 PM

~~Quote from: Herman post_id=444323 time=1647995576 user_id=1689~~
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I hope they have some blankets for night

This will take a while

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on March 22, 2022, 09:40:08 PM

~~Quote from: cc post_id=444333 time=1647998373 user_id=88~~
~~Quote from: Herman post_id=444323 time=1647995576 user_id=1689~~
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I hope they have some blankets for night

This will take a while

~~They can get where they want to go faster by walking.~~

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on March 29, 2022, 07:38:10 PM

Washington State Democrats have enacted a plan that would aim to ban most non-electric vehicles in the state by 2030.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Thiel on March 29, 2022, 08:20:15 PM

~~Quote from: Herman post_id=444997 time=1648597090 user_id=1689~~
Washington State Democrats have enacted a plan that would aim to ban most non-electric vehicles in the state by 2030.

Totally expected from Washington state.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on March 31, 2022, 07:43:56 PM

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Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on April 01, 2022, 09:40:08 PM

Get an electric car they said. It''s safer they said.

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Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: cc on April 01, 2022, 10:48:49 PM

[Here's a ew concept climate nuts are using ]

Sky News > Environmental activists claim to have 'disarmed' nearly 2,000 SUVs in one month (//https)

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In a statement, the Tyre Extinguishers said its supporters had "disarmed" SUVs in Brighton, London, Manchester, Birmingham, Sheffield, Bristol, and Edinburgh.

The Tyre Extinguishers said action has been taken in cities across the country in a bid to "make it impossible" to own an SUV in urban areas.

The "leaderless group" describes the vehicles as a "climate disaster", "unnecessary" and "dangerous" and says it wants the government to introduce "pollution levies to tax SUVs out of existence".

SUVs feature elements of standard cars but are larger, have off-road capabilities and tend to be less fuel-efficient than other vehicles.

[ When one thinks about it, on a very large scale it could make for a very large problem - Could also be used on regular cars if they get enough people .. .which they prolly can]

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on April 01, 2022, 10:54:40 PM

What are they doing cc....slashing tires?

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: cc on April 01, 2022, 10:58:04 PM

~~Quote from: Fashionista post_id=445335 time=1648868080 user_id=3254~~
What are they doing cc....slashing tires?

Yes - or just unscrewing the filler plug

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on April 01, 2022, 11:04:26 PM

~~Quote from: cc post_id=445336 time=1648868284 user_id=88~~
~~Quote from: Fashionista post_id=445335 time=1648868080 user_id=3254~~
What are they doing cc....slashing tires?

Yes - or just unscrewing the filler plug

I might have known such vigilante madness like this would happen.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on April 02, 2022, 07:57:11 AM

~~Quote from: cc post_id=445334 time=1648867729 user_id=88~~
[Here's a ew concept climate nuts are using ]

Sky News > Environmental activists claim to have 'disarmed' nearly 2,000 SUVs in one month (//story/environmental-activists-claim-to-have-disarmed-nearly-2-000-suvs-in-one-month-12579597)

https://e3.365dm.com/22/04/1600x900/skynews-flat-tyre-car-istock_5725469.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20220401145736[/img]

In a statement, the Tyre Extinguishers said its supporters had "disarmed" SUVs in Brighton, London, Manchester, Birmingham, Sheffield, Bristol, and Edinburgh.

The Tyre Extinguishers said action has been taken in cities across the country in a bid to "make it impossible" to own an SUV in urban areas.

The "leaderless group" describes the vehicles as a "climate disaster", "unnecessary" and "dangerous" and says it wants the government to introduce "pollution levies to tax SUVs out of existence".

SUVs feature elements of standard cars but are larger, have off-road capabilities and tend to be less fuel-efficient than other vehicles.

[ When one thinks about it, on a very large scale it could make for a very large problem - Could also be used on regular cars if they get enough people .. .which they prolly can]

Extinction Rebellion and Just Stop Oil have been hinting at Antifa style random attacks, but on property. They don't care. It's not like Extinction Rebellion supporters have jobs to go to and families to support.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on April 02, 2022, 11:54:16 AM

~~Quote from: cc post_id=445334 time=1648867729 user_id=88~~
[Here's a ew concept climate nuts are using ]

Sky News > Environmental activists claim to have 'disarmed' nearly 2,000 SUVs in one month (//https)

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In a statement, the Tyre Extinguishers said its supporters had "disarmed" SUVs in Brighton, London, Manchester, Birmingham, Sheffield, Bristol, and Edinburgh.

The Tyre Extinguishers said action has been taken in cities across the country in a bid to "make it impossible" to own an SUV in urban areas.

The "leaderless group" describes the vehicles as a "climate disaster", "unnecessary" and "dangerous" and says it wants the government to introduce "pollution levies to tax SUVs out of existence".

SUVs feature elements of standard cars but are larger, have off-road capabilities and tend to be less fuel-efficient than other vehicles.

[ When one thinks about it, on a very large scale it could make for a very large problem - Could also be used on regular cars if they get enough people .. .which they prolly can]

~~Just another prog money on the lives of the working class.~~

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on April 02, 2022, 09:35:43 PM

The cost of replacing a battery pack on a 2013 Nissan Leaf. Estimates ranged from $8,000 to an eye-watering $30,953.28 plus $1,200 in labour.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on April 02, 2022, 09:45:01 PM

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Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on April 02, 2022, 09:45:52 PM

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Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on April 06, 2022, 08:52:34 PM

I saw this on Facebook.

REALITY CHECK -

In case you were thinking of buying hybrid or an electric car...

Ever since the advent of electric cars, the REAL cost per mile of those things has never been discussed. All you ever heard was the mpg in terms of gasoline, with nary a mention of the cost of electricity to run it.

At a neighborhood BBQ I was talking to a neighbor, a BC Hydro Executive. I asked him how that renewable thing was doing. He laughed, then got serious.

If you really intend to adopt electric vehicles, he pointed out, you had to face certain realities. For example, a home charging system for a Tesla requires 75 amp service. The average house is equipped with 100 amp service. On our small street (approximately 25 homes), the electrical infrastructure would be unable to carry more than three houses with a single Tesla each. For even half the homes to have electric vehicles, the system would be wildly over-loaded.

This is the elephant in the room with electric vehicles. Our residential infrastructure cannot bear the load. So, as our genius elected officials promote this nonsense, not only are we being urged to buy these things and replace our reliable, cheap generating systems with expensive new windmills and solar cells, but we will also have to renovate our entire delivery system! This later "investment" will not be revealed until we're so far down this dead end road that it will be presented with an 'OOPS...!' and a shrug.

If you want to argue with a green person over cars that are eco-friendly, just read the following. Note: If you ARE a green person, read it anyway. It's enlightening.

Eric test drove the Chevy Volt at the invitation of General Motors and he writes, "For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine." Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the battery. So, the range including the 9-gallon gas tank and the 16 kwh battery is approximately 270 miles.

It will take you 4.5 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph. Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of 14.5 hours. In a typical road trip your average speed (including charging time) would be 20 mph.

According to General Motors, the Volt battery holds 16 kwh of electricity. It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery. The cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned, so I looked up what I pay for electricity.

I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the seasons) $1.16 per kwh. 16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the battery. $18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to operate the Volt using the battery. Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline engine that gets only 32 mpg. $3.19 per gallon divided by 32 Mpg = $0.10 per mile.

The gasoline powered car costs about $25,000 while the Volt costs $46,000 plus. So the Government wants us to pay twice as much for a car, that costs more than seven times as much to run, and takes three times longer to drive across the country.

WAKE UP NORTH AMERICA!!!!!!!....copied from John Koth

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: cc on April 14, 2022, 02:51:42 PM

Vancouver Proposes $10,000 Annual Fee For Gas Stations Without EV Charging (//https)

A policy proposed by Vancouver city hall would charge gas stations and parking lots $10,000 per year for failing to provide charging stations for electric vehicles at their facilities.

The proposal is aimed at speeding up the rollout of EV charging stations across the city in the hopes of encouraging more people to buy electric vehicles.

Currently only two of the Vancouver's 66 gas stations offer electric vehicle charging stations.

The proposal is aimed at speeding up the rollout of EV charging stations across the city in the hopes of encouraging more people to buy electric vehicles.

"There would be an incentive to invest in EV charging to avoid the higher annual license fee," staff wrote in the report.

Businesses would have to make charging stations available in 2025 to avoid the increased license fee. Currently, the cost of a business license is $263 for a gas station and $163 for parking lots.

Gas stations would be required to provide 50 kilowatts of charging power — enough for one DC fast charger. Parking lots would have to provide at least 26.6 kilowatts, which would be enough for four Level 2 chargers, which typically provide 20-50 kilometres per hour of charging. Parking lots with less than 60 stalls would be exempt.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on April 14, 2022, 03:03:01 PM

That will speed up the working class exodus from Vancouver.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: cc on April 14, 2022, 03:57:03 PM

This is outright extortion in the name of serving their purposes .. a total power play

It'd ethically wrong to force a business to carry any specific thing except only if it's a safety issue relative to other produces carried

Problem is, everything is ethically right if it involves phony climate issues

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on April 14, 2022, 04:03:53 PM

~~Quote from: cc post_id=446857 time=1649966223 user_id=88~~
This is outright extortion in the name of serving their purposes .. a total power play

It'd ethically wrong to force a business to carry any specific thing except only if it's a safety issue relative to other produces carried

Problem is, everything is ethically right if it involves phony climate issues

I was going to ask if they have the legal right to enforce this. But, it doesn't matter. It's BC and the excuse is saving the planet.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: cc on April 14, 2022, 04:06:18 PM

~~Quote from: "iron horse jockey" post_id=446860 time=1649966633 user_id=2015~~
~~Quote from: cc post_id=446857 time=1649966223 user_id=88~~
This is outright extortion in the name of serving their purposes .. a total power play

It'd ethically wrong to force a business to carry any specific thing except only if it's a safety issue relative to other produces carried

Problem is, everything is ethically right if it involves phony climate issues

I was going to ask if they have the legal right to enforce this. But, it doesn't matter. It's BC and the excuse is saving the planet.

With our Feds, it's no different in any province .. Look for Feds to follow up on this everywhere, jurisdiction not an issue for them if they employ they "C" word

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on April 14, 2022, 04:08:31 PM

~~Quote from: cc post_id=446862 time=1649966778 user_id=88~~
~~Quote from: "iron horse jockey" post_id=446860 time=1649966633 user_id=2015~~
~~Quote from: cc post_id=446857 time=1649966223 user_id=88~~
This is outright extortion in the name of serving their purposes .. a total power play

It'd ethically wrong to force a business to carry any specific thing except only if it's a safety issue relative to other produces carried

Problem is, everything is ethically right if it involves phony climate issues

I was going to ask if they have the legal right to enforce this. But, it doesn't matter. It's BC and the excuse is saving the planet.

With our Feds, it's no different in any province .. Look for Feds to follow up on this everywhere, jurisdiction not an issue in this area

Trudeau has been stepping on provincial toes for seven years. The prog stacked Supreme Court sides with him.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: cc on April 14, 2022, 04:10:21 PM

~~Quote from: "iron horse jockey" post_id=446863 time=1649966911 user_id=2015~~
Trudeau has been stepping on provincial toes for seven years. The prog stacked Supreme Court sides with him.

Exactly.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on April 14, 2022, 04:20:08 PM

I heard Trudeau is planning on putting a $4000 "green" tax on the sale of new pickup trucks.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on April 14, 2022, 05:04:31 PM

~~Quote from: "iron horse jockey" post_id=446865 time=1649967608 user_id=2015~~
I heard Trudeau is planning on putting a $4000 "green" tax on the sale of new pickup trucks.

In a big cold country where most families live in detached houses..

Does he believe Canadians get their lawn mowers, snow blowers, snowmobiles, ice fishing huts and things for their yards delivered by their butlers..

He doesn't even try to understand working families.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on April 14, 2022, 05:27:38 PM

~~Quote from: Fashionista post_id=446868 time=1649970271 user_id=3254~~
~~Quote from: "iron horse jockey" post_id=446865 time=1649967608 user_id=2015~~
I heard Trudeau is planning on putting a $4000 "green" tax on the sale of new pickup trucks.

In a big cold country where most families live in detached houses..

Does he believe Canadians get their lawn mowers, snow blowers, snowmobiles, ice fishing huts and things for their yards delivered by their butlers..

He doesn't even try to understand working families.

He thinks we are all misogynists and racists. Earth rapers too.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on April 14, 2022, 09:06:04 PM

~~Quote from: "iron horse jockey" post_id=446865 time=1649967608 user_id=2015~~
I heard Trudeau is planning on putting a $4000 "green" tax on the sale of new pickup trucks.

Jesus H, this is making life more affordable for Canadians. :2r4ml1j_th:

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on April 14, 2022, 09:48:24 PM

This is just the latest example of how out of touch the Liberals are with working Canadians.

An F-150 will cost an extra $1000.

A Ram 3500 will cost an extra $4000.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on April 14, 2022, 10:08:45 PM

~~Quote from: Herman post_id=446895 time=1649987304 user_id=1689~~
This is just the latest example of how out of touch the Liberals are with working Canadians.

An F-150 will cost an extra $1000.

A Ram 3500 will cost an extra $4000.

And these taxes will rise.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on April 15, 2022, 07:39:37 AM

~~Quote from: "iron horse jockey" post_id=446865 time=1649967608 user_id=2015~~
I heard Trudeau is planning on putting a $4000 "green" tax on the sale of new pickup trucks.

The recommendation to whack trucks with a big tax is buried deep in a new 271-page report from the Ministry of the Environment that was posted on the Government of Canada website March 31, 2022. Neither Prime Minister Justin Trudeau nor Environment Minister Steven Guilbeault held a big press conference to announce their latest war on working folks.

These types of taxes always start with a small, select number of people to tax and then broaden little by little every year until everyone is paying more.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Thiel on April 15, 2022, 02:51:25 PM

~~Quote from: seoulbro post_id=446909 time=1650022777 user_id=114~~
~~Quote from: "iron horse jockey" post_id=446865 time=1649967608 user_id=2015~~
I heard Trudeau is planning on putting a $4000 "green" tax on the sale of new pickup trucks.

The recommendation to whack trucks with a big tax is buried deep in a new 271-page report from the Ministry of the Environment that was posted on the Government of Canada website March 31, 2022. Neither Prime Minister Justin Trudeau nor Environment Minister Steven Guilbeault held a big press conference to announce their latest war on working folks.

These types of taxes always start with a small, select number of people to tax and then broaden little by little every year until everyone is paying more.

The tax will increase as well as broaden. Trucks are used for deliveries. What do you think will happen to the price of having a hotshot delivery or mobile welder, electrician, plumber or building trade?

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on April 15, 2022, 04:17:05 PM

~~Quote from: seoulbro post_id=446909 time=1650022777 user_id=114~~
~~Quote from: "iron horse jockey" post_id=446865 time=1649967608 user_id=2015~~
I heard Trudeau is planning on putting a $4000 "green" tax on the sale of new pickup trucks.

The recommendation to whack trucks with a big tax is buried deep in a new 271-page report from the Ministry of the Environment that was posted on the Government of Canada website March 31, 2022. Neither Prime Minister Justin Trudeau nor Environment Minister Steven Guilbeault held a big press conference to announce their latest war on working folks.

These types of taxes always start with a small, select number of people to tax and then broaden little by little every year until everyone is paying more.

True Dope is practically begging Alberta and Saskatchewan to secede.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on April 15, 2022, 05:12:56 PM

~~Quote from: Thiel post_id=446935 time=1650048685 user_id=1688~~
~~Quote from: seoulbro post_id=446909 time=1650022777 user_id=114~~
~~Quote from: "iron horse jockey" post_id=446865 time=1649967608 user_id=2015~~
I heard Trudeau is planning on putting a $4000 "green" tax on the sale of new pickup trucks.

The recommendation to whack trucks with a big tax is buried deep in a new 271-page report from the Ministry of the Environment that was posted on the Government of Canada website March 31, 2022. Neither Prime Minister Justin Trudeau nor Environment Minister Steven Guilbeault held a big press conference to announce their latest war on working folks.

These types of taxes always start with a small, select number of people to tax and then broaden little by little every year until everyone is paying more.

The tax will increase as well as broaden. Trucks are used for deliveries. What do you think will happen to the price of having a hotshot delivery or mobile welder, electrician, plumber or building trade?

Good point Thiel.

:smiley_thumbs_up_yellow_ani:

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on April 24, 2022, 01:33:26 PM

FDNY officials are warning that the lithium ion batteries from increasingly-popular e-bikes present a fire hazard, and have already been responsible for at least 140 fires in the last 16 months alone. Those fires have caused dozens of injuries and at least 5 deaths in New York City since the start of 2021.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on April 24, 2022, 02:26:47 PM

~~Quote from: seoulbro post_id=447823 time=1650821606 user_id=114~~
FDNY officials are warning that the lithium ion batteries from increasingly-popular e-bikes present a fire hazard, and have already been responsible for at least 140 fires in the last 16 months alone. Those fires have caused dozens of injuries and at least 5 deaths in New York City since the start of 2021.

I was down in Calgary last summer. Their libtard city council spent bundles on those things for the downtown core.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on April 24, 2022, 02:37:21 PM

~~Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=447828 time=1650824807 user_id=56~~
~~Quote from: seoulbro post_id=447823 time=1650821606 user_id=114~~
FDNY officials are warning that the lithium ion batteries from increasingly-popular e-bikes present a fire hazard, and have already been responsible for at least 140 fires in the last 16 months alone. Those fires have caused dozens of injuries and at least 5 deaths in New York City since the start of 2021.

I was down in Calgary last summer. Their libtard city council spent bundles on those things for the downtown core.

They are very popular, but yes, they are costly for taxpayers.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on April 25, 2022, 10:21:22 AM

~~Quote from: Herman post_id=445867 time=1649292754 user_id=1689~~
I saw this on Facebook.

REALITY CHECK -

In case you were thinking of buying hybrid or an electric car...

Ever since the advent of electric cars, the REAL cost per mile of those things has never been discussed. All you ever heard was the mpg in terms of gasoline, with nary a mention of the cost of electricity to run it.

At a neighborhood BBQ I was talking to a neighbor, a BC Hydro Executive. I asked him how that renewable thing was doing. He laughed, then got serious.

If you really intend to adopt electric vehicles, he pointed out, you had to face certain realities. For example, a home charging system for a Tesla requires 75 amp service. The average house is equipped with 100 amp service. On our small street (approximately 25 homes), the electrical infrastructure would be unable to carry more than three houses with a single Tesla each. For even half the homes to have electric vehicles, the system would be wildly over-loaded.

This is the elephant in the room with electric vehicles. Our residential infrastructure cannot bear the load. So, as our genius elected officials promote this nonsense, not only are we being urged to buy these things and replace our reliable, cheap generating systems with expensive new windmills and solar cells, but we will also have to renovate our entire delivery system! This later "investment" will not be revealed until we're so far down this dead end road that it will be presented with an 'OOPS...!' and a shrug.

If you want to argue with a green person over cars that are eco-friendly, just read the following. Note: If you ARE a green person, read it anyway. It's enlightening.

Eric test drove the Chevy Volt at the invitation of General Motors and he writes, "For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine." Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the battery. So, the range including the 9-gallon gas tank and the 16 kwh battery is approximately 270 miles.

It will take you 4.5 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph. Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of 14.5 hours. In a typical road trip your average speed (including charging time) would be 20 mph.

According to General Motors, the Volt battery holds 16 kwh of electricity. It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery. The cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned, so I looked up what I pay for electricity.

I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the seasons) $1.16 per kwh. 16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the battery. $18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to operate the Volt using the battery. Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline engine that gets only 32 mpg. $3.19 per gallon divided by 32 Mpg = $0.10 per mile.

The gasoline powered car costs about $25,000 while the Volt costs $46,000 plus. So the Government wants us to pay twice as much for a car, that costs more than seven times as much to run, and takes three times longer to drive across the country.

WAKE UP NORTH AMERICA!!!!!!!....copied from John Koth

Good one.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on April 27, 2022, 10:24:07 PM

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Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on April 29, 2022, 10:23:07 PM

Thought this was food for thought for the elite Pete Buttplug.

"I weigh 1,000 pounds, and as you see, I am about the size of a travel trunk. I contain 25 pounds of lithium, 60 pounds of nickel, 44 pounds of manganese, 30 pounds cobalt, 200 pounds of copper, and 400 pounds of aluminum, steel, and plastic. Inside me are 6,831 individual lithium-ion cells.

"It should concern you that all those toxic components come from mining. For instance, to manufacture EACH auto battery like me, you must process 25,000 pounds of brine for the lithium, 30,000 pounds of ore for the cobalt, 5,000 pounds of ore for the nickel, and 25,000 pounds of ore for copper. All told, you dig up 500,000 pounds of the earth's crust for just. one. battery.

"I mentioned disease and child labor a moment ago. Here's why. Sixty-eight percent of the world's cobalt, a significant part of a battery, comes from the Congo. Their mines have no pollution controls, and they employ children who die from handling this toxic material. Should we factor in these diseased kids as part of the cost of driving an electric car?"

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on April 29, 2022, 10:32:17 PM

20 REASONS ELECTRIC CARS AREN'T TAKING OVER JUST YET

https://motor-junkie.com/20-reasons-electric-cars-arent-taking-over-just-yet/48376/3/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=MJ7&utm_campaign=23848242768750156&utm_content=23848242768720156_23848242768770156&fbclid=IwAR2BA-Bp4PqdoWKBs_OGE-N7m29rBqgIo-6jjuWtmlPo8NFukdClXK5oRVw

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on April 30, 2022, 08:00:32 AM

~~Quote from: Herman post_id=448465 time=1651285387 user_id=1689~~
Thought that was food for thought for the elite Pete Buttplug.

"I weigh 1,000 pounds, and as you see, I am about the size of a travel trunk. I contain 25 pounds of lithium, 60 pounds of nickel, 44 pounds of manganese, 30 pounds cobalt, 200 pounds of copper, and 400 pounds of aluminum, steel, and plastic. Inside me are 6,831 individual lithium-ion cells.

"It should concern you that all those toxic components come from mining. For instance, to manufacture EACH auto battery like me, you must process 25,000 pounds of brine for the lithium, 30,000 pounds of ore for the cobalt, 5,000 pounds of ore for the nickel, and 25,000 pounds of ore for copper. All told, you dig up 500,000 pounds of the earth's crust for just. one. battery.

"I mentioned disease and child labor a moment ago. Here's why. Sixty-eight percent of the world's cobalt, a significant part of a battery, comes from the Congo. Their mines have no pollution controls, and they employ children who die from handling this toxic material. Should we factor in these diseased kids as part of the cost of driving an electric car?"

That seems more sustainable that internal combistion engines. :001_rolleyes:

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: cw_ on April 30, 2022, 01:12:14 PM

Somebody should tell Elon Musk about this!

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on April 30, 2022, 01:30:44 PM

~~Quote from: cw_ post_id=448501 time=1651338734 user_id=3226~~
Somebody should tell Elon Musk about this!

You think he might disagree?

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: cc on May 01, 2022, 07:57:27 PM

This is stunning!!!

https://twitter.com/exRAF_Al/status/1520707411513950209?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1520707411513950209%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fblazingcatfur.ca%2F

I would hope the bus was empty - because if any in it they were not going to get out in time

Stunning how hot and fast spreading

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on May 01, 2022, 08:00:58 PM

~~Quote from: cc post_id=448658 time=1651449447 user_id=88~~
https://twitter.com/exRAF_Al/status/1520707411513950209?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1520707411513950209%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fblazingcatfur.ca%2F

I would hope the bus was empty - because if any in it they were not going to get out in time

Stunning how hot and fast spreading

They will eventually improve the safety of buses, but until then they are a lot more dangerous than diesel buses. Now how do you feel about flying on an electric airplane.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Thiel on May 01, 2022, 09:21:48 PM

Ford blamed its sizable investment in electric vehicle (EV) company Rivian for its dramatic revenue decline in the first quarter of 2022.

Ford reported revenue of $34.5 billion between January and March, a 5% decline relative to the same period in 2021, and a net loss of $3.1 billion, according to the company's earnings report released Wednesday. The Detroit automaker said its large investment in Rivian accounted for $5.4 billion in losses during the first quarter.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on May 02, 2022, 12:25:02 PM

~~Quote from: Thiel post_id=448675 time=1651454508 user_id=1688~~
Ford blamed its sizable investment in electric vehicle (EV) company Rivian for its dramatic revenue decline in the first quarter of 2022.

Ford reported revenue of $34.5 billion between January and March, a 5% decline relative to the same period in 2021, and a net loss of $3.1 billion, according to the company's earnings report released Wednesday. The Detroit automaker said its large investment in Rivian accounted for $5.4 billion in losses during the first quarter.

I didn't know this.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on May 03, 2022, 10:16:06 PM

An Electric Bus Caught Fire After Battery Explosion in Paris

~~[media]~~https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r-yN8SugWM[/media]

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: cc on May 03, 2022, 10:26:10 PM

Yes, scary. That's what I posted right above -

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: cc on May 03, 2022, 10:26:15 PM

might have gotten missed by people as stationary image did not show fire in video

Yours works better & shows more

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on May 03, 2022, 10:28:58 PM

~~Quote from: cc post_id=448834 time=1651631175 user_id=88~~
might have gotten missed by people as stationary image did not show fire in video

Nah, it's the barrel wash.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on May 03, 2022, 11:34:49 PM

~~Quote from: Herman post_id=448829 time=1651630566 user_id=1689~~
An Electric Bus Caught Fire After Battery Explosion in Paris

~~[media]~~https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r-yN8SugWM[/media]

As if junkies, crazies and butt pinchers weren't enough reason to avoid public transit.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Berry Sweet on May 04, 2022, 02:15:16 AM

~~Quote from: Herman post_id=448470 time=1651285937 user_id=1689~~
20 REASONS ELECTRIC CARS AREN'T TAKING OVER JUST YET

https://motor-junkie.com/20-reasons-electric-cars-arent-taking-over-just-yet/48376/3/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=MJ7&utm_campaign=23848242768750156&utm_content=23848242768720156_23848242768770156&fbclid=IwAR2BA-Bp4PqdoWKBs_OGE-N7m29rBqgIo-6jjuWtmlPo8NFukdClXK5oRVw

Its true one would need to be a actual engineer to fix something wrong with the car...even if...the job will not be simple.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on May 04, 2022, 10:08:23 AM

~~Quote from: "Berry Sweet" post_id=448856 time=1651644916 user_id=164~~
~~Quote from: Herman post_id=448470 time=1651285937 user_id=1689~~
20 REASONS ELECTRIC CARS AREN'T TAKING OVER JUST YET

https://motor-junkie.com/20-reasons-electric-cars-arent-taking-over-just-yet/48376/3/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=MJ7&utm_campaign=23848242768750156&utm_content=23848242768720156_23848242768770156&fbclid=IwAR2BA-Bp4PqdoWKBs_OGE-N7m29rBqgIo-6jjuWtmlPo8NFukdClXK5oRVw

Its true one would need to be a actual engineer to fix something wrong with the car...even if...the job will not be simple.

We'll see how this goes..

I saw an electric car on fire on the news and the fore department couldn't extinguish it.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on May 05, 2022, 12:18:40 AM

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Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on May 05, 2022, 09:31:49 AM

~~Quote from: Herman post_id=448979 time=1651724320 user_id=1689~~
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~~Um, no it isn't Herman.~~

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Frood on May 05, 2022, 09:43:17 AM

~~Quote from: Herman post_id=448979 time=1651724320 user_id=1689~~
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~~I'm sure plenty of Ukes are wishing or once wished that their mileage was better than a battery or an undersized fuel tank.~~

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on May 05, 2022, 09:55:06 AM

~~Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=448991 time=1651758197 user_id=1676~~
~~Quote from: Herman post_id=448979 time=1651724320 user_id=1689~~
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~~I'm sure plenty of Ukes are wishing or once wished that their mileage was better than a battery or an undersized fuel tank.~~

~~Maybe I'm not understanding the meme correctly, but to me it's saying they will keep reducing the distance electric cars can drive.~~

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Frood on May 05, 2022, 09:57:31 AM

~~Quote from: Fashionista post_id=448992 time=1651758906 user_id=3254~~
~~Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=448991 time=1651758197 user_id=1676~~
~~Quote from: Herman post_id=448979 time=1651724320 user_id=1689~~
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~~I'm sure plenty of Ukes are wishing or once wished that their mileage was better than a battery or an undersized fuel tank.~~

~~Maybe I'm not understanding the meme correctly, but to me it's saying they will keep reducing the distance electric cars can drive.~~

~~The Azov units are celebrating....~~

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on May 10, 2022, 06:14:25 PM

That stunned cunt asal thinks ev's have no environmental impact and it's free to run them.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on May 12, 2022, 09:08:18 PM

Stellantis is Jeep-Chrysler.

"We can anticipate that we will have around 2025, 2026, a short supply of batteries," "And if there is no short supply of batteries, then there will be a significant dependence of the Western world vis-à-vis Asia." Said Stellantis CEO Carlos Tavares.

Tavares emphasized under such a scenario, the cost of EVs would remain high. That could jeopardize the ability for many customers to afford them, and shrinking demand could harm automakers like Stellantis and its ability to employ the 300,000 people it does.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on May 13, 2022, 05:19:16 PM

~~Quote from: Herman post_id=449920 time=1652404098 user_id=1689~~
Stellantis is Jeep-Chrysler.

"We can anticipate that we will have around 2025, 2026, a short supply of batteries," "And if there is no short supply of batteries, then there will be a significant dependence of the Western world vis-à-vis Asia." Said Stellantis CEO Carlos Tavares.

Tavares emphasized under such a scenario, the cost of EVs would remain high. That could jeopardize the ability for many customers to afford them, and shrinking demand could harm automakers like Stellantis and its ability to employ the 300,000 people it does.

Electric cars haven't really got going yet around the world and already we have shortages of raw materials. They came up with an idea that sounded good, but no plan to make it reality.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: cc on May 28, 2022, 02:58:46 PM

Canada investigates after Tesla catches fire, forcing Vancouver driver to 'smash the window' (//https)

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Who keeps an object in cabin that would break window? > Not many - It says "kicked" his way out - would take a lot of force to do so in any vehicle

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on May 28, 2022, 03:27:56 PM

~~Quote from: cc post_id=453880 time=1653764326 user_id=88~~
Canada investigates after Tesla catches fire, forcing Vancouver driver to 'smash the window' (//world/2022/may/27/tesla-catches-fire-vancouver-canada-investigation)

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Who keeps an object in cabin that would break window? > Not many - It says "kicked" his way out - would take a lot of force to do so in any vehicle

What a traumatic experience.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on June 13, 2022, 08:05:04 PM

I saw this on Facebook. Old Jim Crow Joe has no clue about the reality of electric vehicles.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/the-electric-car-is-bidens-golden-calf_4531163.html?utm_source=opinionnoe&utm_campaign=opinion-2022-06-13&utm_medium=email&est=mH8OE7tEASDgGDP%2BnsiY5DFlqVgSpAX%2BT4qv%2Bl%2B5llRlAv7IdH8wQ%2FgZ9Zzc9BMVew%3D%3D

It's almost as if the current occupant of the White House worships the electric car in a fashion bordering on idolatrous. Without the slightest apparent thought, he destroyed U.S. energy independence and is threatening worldwide economic collapse on its behalf.

Indeed, the electric car is Biden's "Golden Calf."

But someone might want to explain to Biden the reality of electric cars, if indeed he's capable of comprehending it. For that someone, I would nominate Bjorn Lomborg—the Danish author and president of the think tank Copenhagen Consensus Center—who has been perhaps the world's most esteemed climate journalist for decades.

As recently as February, Lomborg wrote a lengthy article for the Daily Mail with the equally lengthy title, "Are electric cars the new 'diesel scandal' waiting to happen? They generate polluting particles just like petrol vehicles, are not even that cost-effective and, as one expert finds, will not save the planet."

That's a bit complicated for Joe, I know. Better for him to continue to worship the Golden Tesla (embarrassing as that might be since Elon Musk has switched to a Republican). But let's hear from Lomborg himself. I have excerpted for brevity:

"What it fails to tell us, however, is that electric cars are not the answer for many people, for a host of practical reasons. These include their upfront cost, limited range, the time it takes to charge batteries, the new infrastructure needed for charging points, and the extra power required to supply them.

"Even more alarmingly, a report in the journal Nature suggests that because electric cars are heavier than other vehicles, they will likely kill more occupants of other vehicles in traffic accidents."

As I said, this is only a sampling of Lomborg's devastating report. I would highly recommend reading the whole thing, especially to those—almost exclusively rich people—who assume their purchase of an electric car is "doing something for humanity." Rather, it's the equivalent of riding to an environmental conference in a private jet—in other words, moral narcissism at its most repugnant.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Lokmar on June 13, 2022, 08:30:57 PM

Why do you suppose that nobody has open discussions about how much more capacity and infrastructure we need for electric cars?

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on June 13, 2022, 08:39:05 PM

~~Quote from: Lokmar post_id=459484 time=1655166657 user_id=3351~~
Why do you suppose that nobody has open discussions about how much more capacity and infrastructure we need for electric cars?

Nobody in politics, academia or the media talks about that. I aint shy about talking about it.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Lokmar on June 13, 2022, 08:42:51 PM

~~Quote from: Herman post_id=459487 time=1655167145 user_id=1689~~
~~Quote from: Lokmar post_id=459484 time=1655166657 user_id=3351~~
Why do you suppose that nobody has open discussions about how much more capacity and infrastructure we need for electric cars?

Nobody in politics, academia or the media talks about that. I ainst shy about talking about it.

I think it speaks volumes about how ignorant people are and how unattainable the ultimate goal is.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Thiel on June 13, 2022, 10:30:52 PM

~~Quote from: Herman post_id=459477 time=1655165104 user_id=1689~~
I saw this on Facebook. Old Jim Crow Joe has no clue about the reality of electric vehicles.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/the-electric-car-is-bidens-golden-calf_4531163.html?utm_source=opinionnoe&utm_campaign=opinion-2022-06-13&utm_medium=email&est=mH8OE7tEASDgGDP%2BnsiY5DFlqVgSpAX%2BT4qv%2Bl%2B5llRlAv7IdH8wQ%2FgZ9Zzc9BMVew%3D%3D

It's almost as if the current occupant of the White House worships the electric car in a fashion bordering on idolatrous. Without the slightest apparent thought, he destroyed U.S. energy independence and is threatening worldwide economic collapse on its behalf.

Indeed, the electric car is Biden's "Golden Calf."

But someone might want to explain to Biden the reality of electric cars, if indeed he's capable of comprehending it. For that someone, I would nominate Bjorn Lomborg—the Danish author and president of the think tank Copenhagen Consensus Center—who has been perhaps the world's most esteemed climate journalist for decades.

As recently as February, Lomborg wrote a lengthy article for the Daily Mail with the equally lengthy title, "Are electric cars the new 'diesel scandal' waiting to happen? They generate polluting particles just like petrol vehicles, are not even that cost-effective and, as one expert finds, will not save the planet."

That's a bit complicated for Joe, I know. Better for him to continue to worship the Golden Tesla (embarrassing as that might be since Elon Musk has switched to a Republican). But let's hear from Lomborg himself. I have excerpted for brevity:

"What it fails to tell us, however, is that electric cars are not the answer for many people, for a host of practical reasons. These include their upfront cost, limited range, the time it takes to charge batteries, the new infrastructure needed for charging points, and the extra power required to supply them.

"Even more alarmingly, a report in the journal Nature suggests that because electric cars are heavier than other vehicles, they will likely kill more occupants of other vehicles in traffic accidents."

As I said, this is only a sampling of Lomborg's devastating report. I would highly recommend reading the whole thing, especially to those—almost exclusively rich people—who assume their purchase of an electric car is "doing something for humanity." Rather, it's the equivalent of riding to an environmental conference in a private jet—in other words, moral narcissism at its most repugnant.

Where are we supposed to get all the raw materials for electric cars? How do we dispose of highly toxic end of life batteries? Where will we get all the extra electricity to power them?

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Frood on June 14, 2022, 04:40:54 AM

~~Quote from: Thiel post_id=459523 time=1655173852 user_id=1688~~
~~Quote from: Herman post_id=459477 time=1655165104 user_id=1689~~
I saw this on Facebook. Old Jim Crow Joe has no clue about the reality of electric vehicles.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/the-electric-car-is-bidens-golden-calf_4531163.html?utm_source=opinionnoe&utm_campaign=opinion-2022-06-13&utm_medium=email&est=mH8OE7tEASDgGDP%2BnsiY5DFlqVgSpAX%2BT4qv%2Bl%2B5llRlAv7IdH8wQ%2FgZ9Zzc9BMVew%3D%3D

It's almost as if the current occupant of the White House worships the electric car in a fashion bordering on idolatrous. Without the slightest apparent thought, he destroyed U.S. energy independence and is threatening worldwide economic collapse on its behalf.

Indeed, the electric car is Biden's "Golden Calf."

But someone might want to explain to Biden the reality of electric cars, if indeed he's capable of comprehending it. For that someone, I would nominate Bjorn Lomborg—the Danish author and president of the think tank Copenhagen Consensus Center—who has been perhaps the world's most esteemed climate journalist for decades.

As recently as February, Lomborg wrote a lengthy article for the Daily Mail with the equally lengthy title, "Are electric cars the new 'diesel scandal' waiting to happen? They generate polluting particles just like petrol vehicles, are not even that cost-effective and, as one expert finds, will not save the planet."

That's a bit complicated for Joe, I know. Better for him to continue to worship the Golden Tesla (embarrassing as that might be since Elon Musk has switched to a Republican). But let's hear from Lomborg himself. I have excerpted for brevity:

"What it fails to tell us, however, is that electric cars are not the answer for many people, for a host of practical reasons. These include their upfront cost, limited range, the time it takes to charge batteries, the new infrastructure needed for charging points, and the extra power required to supply them.

"Even more alarmingly, a report in the journal Nature suggests that because electric cars are heavier than other vehicles, they will likely kill more occupants of other vehicles in traffic accidents."

As I said, this is only a sampling of Lomborg's devastating report. I would highly recommend reading the whole thing, especially to those—almost exclusively rich people—who assume their purchase of an electric car is "doing something for humanity." Rather, it's the equivalent of riding to an environmental conference in a private jet—in other words, moral narcissism at its most repugnant.

Where are we supposed to get all the raw materials for electric cars? How do we dispose of highly toxic end of life batteries? Where will we get all the extra electricity to power them?

All important questions nobody driving the push seem to want to explain, or are capable of considering.

It's like filling up all the camels with scant water rations in the Sahara at the few watering holes available and then sending them out.... the holes dry up, travel comes to a halt, and shit goes by the wayside.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on June 14, 2022, 09:36:17 AM

Governments are giving their citizens inaccurate information about electric vehicles. Everythin from sustainability to their environmental footprint. We are told it's all rainbows and no clouds.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on June 17, 2022, 08:15:25 PM

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Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Odinson on June 19, 2022, 07:22:21 PM

Electric scooters...

They look like fun.

They are gonna be banned after enough kids die.

You need a license for a moped but you dont need one for an electric scooter.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on June 19, 2022, 08:29:49 PM

~~Quote from: Odinson post_id=460535 time=1655680941 user_id=136~~
Electric scooters...

They look like fun.

They are gonna be banned after enough kids die.

You need a license for a moped but you dont need one for an electric scooter.

Cities here own fleets of them,

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Zetsu on June 21, 2022, 09:03:01 PM

~~Quote from: seoulbro post_id=459609 time=1655213777 user_id=114~~
Governments are giving their citizens inaccurate information about electric vehicles. Everythin from sustainability to their environmental footprint. We are told it's all rainbows and no clouds.

EVs frankly now are pretty costly to drive, a Tesla 3 long range is $76,000, while you can get an ICE of the same class for $30,000, even if fuel stays at around 2$ per litre and electricity is free, I'll need to drive at least 230,000 km to save up the $46,000 initial purchase difference.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on June 21, 2022, 09:23:28 PM

And electricity aint free and never will be.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Zetsu on June 21, 2022, 09:26:41 PM

~~Quote from: Herman post_id=460766 time=1655861008 user_id=1689~~
And electricity aint free and never will be.

I have to agree, like Fash as said before, if more people start to drive EVs, chances are the libs will grab our balls and jack up the electricity bill. ac_unsure

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on June 21, 2022, 09:35:49 PM

~~Quote from: Zetsu post_id=460769 time=1655861201 user_id=61~~
~~Quote from: Herman post_id=460766 time=1655861008 user_id=1689~~
And electricity aint free and never will be.

I have to agree, like Fash as said before, if more people start to drive EVs, chances are the libs will grab our balls and jack up the electricity bill. ac_unsure

Governments earn a lot of revenue from fuel..

Without fuel they'll have to make up that revenue some other place..

I believe Norway has started taxing electricity.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Zetsu on June 21, 2022, 09:42:12 PM

~~Quote from: Fashionista post_id=460772 time=1655861749 user_id=3254~~
~~Quote from: Zetsu post_id=460769 time=1655861201 user_id=61~~

I have to agree, like Fash as said before, if more people start to drive EVs, chances are the libs will grab our balls and jack up the electricity bill. ac_unsure

Governments earn a lot of revenue from fuel..

Without fuel they'll have to make up that revenue some other place..

I believe Norway has started taxing electricity.

Damn, that is even more disgusting than Odi's ignorant brain. :yuk:

It's crazy how we will never get a tax break.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on June 21, 2022, 09:48:12 PM

~~Quote from: Zetsu post_id=460775 time=1655862132 user_id=61~~
~~Quote from: Fashionista post_id=460772 time=1655861749 user_id=3254~~

Governments earn a lot of revenue from fuel..

Without fuel they'll have to make up that revenue some other place..

I believe Norway has started taxing electricity.

Damn, that is even more disgusting than Odi's ignorant brain. :yuk:

It's crazy how we will never get a tax break.

Even while Canadians are suffering, the federal government won't suspend the carbon tax, the federal fuels tax or even the GST on either.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Zetsu on June 21, 2022, 09:52:58 PM

~~Quote from: Fashionista post_id=460776 time=1655862492 user_id=3254~~
~~Quote from: Zetsu post_id=460775 time=1655862132 user_id=61~~

Damn, that is even more disgusting than Odi's ignorant brain. :yuk:

It's crazy how we will never get a tax break.

Even while Canadians are suffering, the federal government won't suspend the carbon tax, the federal fuels tax or even the GST on either.

I can still tolerate the high gas prices, but any higher I might have to end up getting a motorbike license.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on June 21, 2022, 09:54:15 PM

Even old Jim Crow Joe Biden is calling for suspending the 18.4 cent per gallon federal gas tax. Justine will not budge.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Zetsu on June 21, 2022, 10:01:20 PM

~~Quote from: Herman post_id=460778 time=1655862855 user_id=1689~~
Even old Jim Crow Joe Biden is calling for suspending the 18.4 cent per gallon federal gas tax. Justine will not budge.

I don't think Trudeau will ever see us as human beings that can suffer from high living expense or taxes.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on June 21, 2022, 10:30:59 PM

~~Quote from: Herman post_id=460778 time=1655862855 user_id=1689~~
Even old Jim Crow Joe Biden is calling for suspending the 18.4 cent per gallon federal gas tax. Justine will not budge.

That is low..

The minomum federal tax on a litre, not a gallon of gasoline in Canada is 36.78 cents.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on June 21, 2022, 10:49:33 PM

~~Quote from: Fashionista post_id=460786 time=1655865059 user_id=3254~~
~~Quote from: Herman post_id=460778 time=1655862855 user_id=1689~~
Even old Jim Crow Joe Biden is calling for suspending the 18.4 cent per gallon federal gas tax. Justine will not budge.

That is low..

The minomum federal tax on a litre, not a gallon of gasoline in Canada is 36.78 cents.

Our federal gaoline taxes are eight times higher than in the US.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on June 23, 2022, 08:06:59 AM

Suspending the federal gas tax is just another Biden Administration stunt to distract from their self-inflicted crisis. We can lower gas prices by unleashing American energy production. The US needs to increase the supply side and Joe Biden is still committed to "putting the fossil fuel industry out of business."

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Oliver Clotheshoffe on June 23, 2022, 10:39:59 AM

~~Quote from: Herman post_id=460795 time=1655866173 user_id=1689~~

Our federal gasoline taxes are eight times higher than in the US.

Yeah but don't you get subsided health care in return or something?

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on June 23, 2022, 10:44:35 AM

~~Quote from: "Oliver Clotheshoffe" post_id=460976 time=1655995199 user_id=3349~~
~~Quote from: Herman post_id=460795 time=1655866173 user_id=1689~~

Our federal gasoline taxes are eight times higher than in the US.

Yeah but don't you get subsided health care in return or something?

Health care is administered provincially.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on July 01, 2022, 11:46:55 AM

Food for thought.

Electric Vehicles Have 'Embarrassing' Number of Quality Issues Compared to Combustion Engines: 2022 Study

Battery-electric vehicles (BEVs) and plug-in hybrid vehicles (PHEVs) have turned out to have more problems than internal combustion engines (ICE), according to a new study by data analysis and advisory firm J.D. Power.

While ICE vehicles averaged 175 problems per 100 vehicles (PP100), this jumped to 239 among PHEVs and 240 among BEVs, a June 28 press release of the J.D. Power 2022 U.S. Initial Quality Study stated. Lower scores represented higher-quality vehicles.

The BEV assessment does not include Tesla models. Tesla PP100 data are shown separately from the BEV average since "the predominance of Tesla vehicles could obscure the performance of the legacy automakers that have recently introduced BEVs," J.D. Power stated.

Tesla models, which were included in the industry calculation for the first time, averaged 226 problems per 100 vehicles.

Overall, there was an 11 percent increase in problems per 100 vehicles, with the industry average hitting 180 PP100. Vehicle problems reached a record high in the 36-year history of the study. J.D. Power blamed disruptions caused by the COVID-19 pandemic, including personnel dislocations, record-high vehicle prices, and supply chain issues.

"In general, initial quality has shown steady improvement throughout the history of this study, so the decline this year is disappointing—yet understandable," said David Amodeo, director of global automotive at J.D. Power, according to the press release.

"Automakers continue to launch vehicles that are more and more technologically complex in an era in which there have been many shortages of critical components to support them."

Electric Mishaps

The report comes amidst a couple of electric vehicle recalls in recent weeks due to manufacturing defects. In June, Toyota Motors recalled 2,700 bZ4X SUVs globally. Toyota launched the bZ4X, the company's first mass-manufactured all-electric car, just a few months before the recall.

During sharp turns and sudden breaks, a hub bolt used in these vehicles was at risk of coming off, warned Japan's safety regulator.

"It's embarrassing," said Christopher Richter, an analyst at CLSA, according to Reuters. "People have waited so long for Toyota to get a mass-market battery electric vehicle ... and just a few weeks after they get it in the market there's a recall."

The same month, Ford recalled 48,924 Mustang Mach-E electric vehicles after discovering a defect with the car batteries that could lead to a loss of power while driving.

A study of 13,000 people from 18 countries published in May found that Americans were the least likely to buy an electric vehicle. While over 73 percent of Italians, 69 percent of Chinese, and 63 percent of South Koreans were committed to buying an EV, only 29 percent of Americans shared the enthusiasm.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/electric-vehicles-have-embarrassing-number-of-quality-issues-compared-to-combustion-engines-2022-study_4569221.html?utm_source=morningbriefnoe-ai&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=mb-2022-07-01-ai-25&est=RDx1MVz1si5r8%2BFsgySGyELYjy96ZqqD6hlpNsbwxYyUg0j%2B0VB1Kt1Jd827Bkz4nw%3D%3D

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on July 11, 2022, 08:06:20 PM

A survey discovered that charging logistics is the primary reason why Americans aren't buying electric vehicles.

Consumer Reports, which said it surveyed around 8,000 Americans, found that 61 percent said they wouldn't seek to own an electric vehicle because of charging logistics while 55 percent cited the number of miles a vehicle can go per charge. Another 52 percent said that the costs of buying and maintaining an electric vehicle are cost-prohibitive.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on July 19, 2022, 11:42:35 PM

Tesla is now asking its customers in Texas to avoid charging their electric cars during peak hours to avoid stressing the power grid to the point of rolling blackouts. The warning comes as the Electric Reliability Council of Texas is calling on residents to conserve electricity during the recent heatwave.

Meanwhile, the Biden administration continues its march toward so-called "clean energy" by forcing the nation off coal and other fossil fuels before we have a viable replacement. Instead of switching to reliable nuclear and hydropower, our delusional leaders are betting on wind power, but the wind doesn't provide power when it doesn't blow. Wind accounts for about 30% of Texas' power supply, according to the Wall Street Journal.

https://twitter.com/alliemarie777/status/1549140637471182850?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1549140637471182850%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theblaze.com%2Fshows%2Fthe-glenn-beck-program%2Ftexas-power-grid

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on August 31, 2022, 10:18:15 AM

A Florida man went viral after he posted a car dealership quote showing it would cost nearly $30,000 to replace the battery in his electric vehicle.

Rob O'Donnell posted the quote, obtained from Roger Dean Chevrolet in Cape Coral, on Twitter last week. The quote includes the cost of the battery (nearly $27,000), the cost of labor ($1,200), and taxes for the repair (more than $1,700).

In total, it would cost O'Donnell $29,842.15 to replace the battery in his 2012 Chevrolet Volt. The car itself is worth far less.

https://twitter.com/odonnell_r/status/1562846628503261185?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1562846628503261185%7Ctwgr%5Eb25122c695d50cb6945dcaf0ec43d3fc6ef7a908%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theblaze.com%2Fnews%2Fflorida-man-viral-cost-electric-vehicle-battery

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Oliver Clotheshoffe on August 31, 2022, 10:49:20 AM

https://i.imgur.com/naIH0o1.jpg[/img]

In recent years, California has had a really hard time keeping the lights on as it is. There are apparently too many people and not enough infrastructure – and the infrastructure that does exist is outdated and overloaded.

To reinvent the wheel at this point in time in order to accommodate a massive influx of electric vehicles will be an incredible feat. You might even say it is a pipe dream that is unlikely to succeed.

California is going to try anyway, though. Various electric vehicle (EV) prototypes are being unveiled, including a hydrogen-powered vehicle that only emits water.

Brouwer says that in order for this to even have a chance at working, there will need to be more focus on not just battery-electric cars but also many other types of electric cars.

"If we try to move in this direction and only use battery electric vehicles, we will fail," he says.

"The grid cannot charge every single transportation application. We must invest in both battery-electric vehicles and fuel-cell electric vehicles."

His focus is on hydrogen-electric vehicles, which he says will not stress the grid that much even if half of all drivers in California buy one by the year 2035.

"Those people can fill up their cars at hydrogen stations, which are much like gas stations, and will hopefully become more available throughout the state in the coming years," reported CBS News.

https://www.planet-today.com/2022/08/california-electric-company-admits-it.html

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Breakfall on August 31, 2022, 10:52:20 AM

~~Quote from: seoulbro post_id=473761 time=1661955495~~
A Florida man went viral after he posted a car dealership quote showing it would cost nearly $30,000 to replace the battery in his electric vehicle.

Rob O'Donnell posted the quote, obtained from Roger Dean Chevrolet in Cape Coral, on Twitter last week. The quote includes the cost of the battery (nearly $27,000), the cost of labor ($1,200), and taxes for the repair (more than $1,700).

In total, it would cost O'Donnell $29,842.15 to replace the battery in his 2012 Chevrolet Volt. The car itself is worth far less.

https://twitter.com/odonnell_r/status/1562846628503261185?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1562846628503261185%7Ctwgr%5Eb25122c695d50cb6945dcaf0ec43d3fc6ef7a908%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theblaze.com%2Fnews%2Fflorida-man-viral-cost-electric-vehicle-battery

Hey, sunshine...is there ever any positivity from you whatsoever? Are you an accountant or a mathematician of sorts? If you want to make a positive change...start making a difference in life. We don't need some nerd of doom and gloom telling us how it is. You...make the difference....you make the change. We're all 50 + yeah? Let's create a think-tank. Let's publish! Doesn't that sound grand? I sure as hell don't enjoy some prat telling me how it is when I can find the same information under my fingertips. Be the difference in life!

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on August 31, 2022, 10:53:57 AM

~~Quote from: "Oliver Clotheshoffe" post_id=473774 time=1661957360 user_id=3349~~
https://i.imgur.com/naIH0o1.jpg[/img]

In recent years, California has had a really hard time keeping the lights on as it is. There are apparently too many people and not enough infrastructure – and the infrastructure that does exist is outdated and overloaded.

To reinvent the wheel at this point in time in order to accommodate a massive influx of electric vehicles will be an incredible feat. You might even say it is a pipe dream that is unlikely to succeed.

California is going to try anyway, though. Various electric vehicle (EV) prototypes are being unveiled, including a hydrogen-powered vehicle that only emits water.

Brouwer says that in order for this to even have a chance at working, there will need to be more focus on not just battery-electric cars but also many other types of electric cars.

"If we try to move in this direction and only use battery electric vehicles, we will fail," he says.

"The grid cannot charge every single transportation application. We must invest in both battery-electric vehicles and fuel-cell electric vehicles."

His focus is on hydrogen-electric vehicles, which he says will not stress the grid that much even if half of all drivers in California buy one by the year 2035.

"Those people can fill up their cars at hydrogen stations, which are much like gas stations, and will hopefully become more available throughout the state in the coming years," reported CBS News.

https://www.planet-today.com/2022/08/california-electric-company-admits-it.html

Canada has the same pledge to retrict new ICE vehicle sales after 2035. It is not even close to bein possible let alone sustainable.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Breakfall on August 31, 2022, 11:15:32 AM

~~Quote from: Guest post_id=473777 time=1661957637~~
~~Quote from: "Oliver Clotheshoffe" post_id=473774 time=1661957360 user_id=3349~~
https://i.imgur.com/naIH0o1.jpg[/img]

In recent years, California has had a really hard time keeping the lights on as it is. There are apparently too many people and not enough infrastructure – and the infrastructure that does exist is outdated and overloaded.

To reinvent the wheel at this point in time in order to accommodate a massive influx of electric vehicles will be an incredible feat. You might even say it is a pipe dream that is unlikely to succeed.

California is going to try anyway, though. Various electric vehicle (EV) prototypes are being unveiled, including a hydrogen-powered vehicle that only emits water.

Brouwer says that in order for this to even have a chance at working, there will need to be more focus on not just battery-electric cars but also many other types of electric cars.

"If we try to move in this direction and only use battery electric vehicles, we will fail," he says.

"The grid cannot charge every single transportation application. We must invest in both battery-electric vehicles and fuel-cell electric vehicles."

His focus is on hydrogen-electric vehicles, which he says will not stress the grid that much even if half of all drivers in California buy one by the year 2035.

"Those people can fill up their cars at hydrogen stations, which are much like gas stations, and will hopefully become more available throughout the state in the coming years," reported CBS News.

https://www.planet-today.com/2022/08/california-electric-company-admits-it.html

Canada has the same pledge to retrict new ICE vehicle sales after 2035. It is not even close to bein possible let alone sustainable.

How's your gas situation? As in LPG?

Canada holds 77 trillion cubic feet (Tcf) of proven gas reserves as of 2017, ranking 18th in the world and accounting for about 1% of the world's total natural gas reserves of 6,923 Tcf. Canada has proven reserves equivalent to 17.5 times its annual consumption.

Ding,ding,ding,ding....ello!?

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Breakfall on August 31, 2022, 11:18:29 AM

It seems all that you folk want to do is chuck a spanner into the works! Tell me that I'm wrong? You want a working community yeah? Well start working!

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on August 31, 2022, 11:20:40 AM

~~Quote from: Guest post_id=473777 time=1661957637~~
~~Quote from: "Oliver Clotheshoffe" post_id=473774 time=1661957360 user_id=3349~~
https://i.imgur.com/naIH0o1.jpg[/img]

In recent years, California has had a really hard time keeping the lights on as it is. There are apparently too many people and not enough infrastructure – and the infrastructure that does exist is outdated and overloaded.

To reinvent the wheel at this point in time in order to accommodate a massive influx of electric vehicles will be an incredible feat. You might even say it is a pipe dream that is unlikely to succeed.

California is going to try anyway, though. Various electric vehicle (EV) prototypes are being unveiled, including a hydrogen-powered vehicle that only emits water.

Brouwer says that in order for this to even have a chance at working, there will need to be more focus on not just battery-electric cars but also many other types of electric cars.

"If we try to move in this direction and only use battery electric vehicles, we will fail," he says.

"The grid cannot charge every single transportation application. We must invest in both battery-electric vehicles and fuel-cell electric vehicles."

His focus is on hydrogen-electric vehicles, which he says will not stress the grid that much even if half of all drivers in California buy one by the year 2035.

"Those people can fill up their cars at hydrogen stations, which are much like gas stations, and will hopefully become more available throughout the state in the coming years," reported CBS News.

https://www.planet-today.com/2022/08/california-electric-company-admits-it.html

Canada has the same pledge to retrict new ICE vehicle sales after 2035. It is not even close to bein possible let alone sustainable.

I read we would have to produce many times more electricity, but the sources of electricity they want, wind and solar, can't supply current needs let alone future needs if we go to electric cars.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on September 01, 2022, 12:26:45 AM

You can't make this stuff up: California Asks Residents To Avoid Charging Electric Vehicles Due To Blackout Risk Days After Unveiling New Gas Car Ban

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on September 07, 2022, 12:37:08 PM

~~Quote from: Fashionista post_id=473792 time=1661959240 user_id=3254~~
~~Quote from: Guest post_id=473777 time=1661957637~~

Canada has the same pledge to retrict new ICE vehicle sales after 2035. It is not even close to bein possible let alone sustainable.

I read we would have to produce many times more electricity, but the sources of electricity they want, wind and solar, can't supply current needs let alone future needs if we go to electric cars.

I would be interested in getting a hybrid which could run off multiple energy sources. But i wouldnt get an all electric vehicle.

A car should allow you to choose your energy source on any given day for any road/weather conditions. So if you could choose gas one day, electricity for another & propane/natural gas for another that'd be ideal.

Just flick the switch. I saw 1 Mitsubishi model that could do that

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on September 07, 2022, 01:41:02 PM

~~Quote from: "Just Joe" post_id=474370 time=1662568628~~
~~Quote from: Fashionista post_id=473792 time=1661959240 user_id=3254~~

I read we would have to produce many times more electricity, but the sources of electricity they want, wind and solar, can't supply current needs let alone future needs if we go to electric cars.

I would be interested in getting a hybrid which could run off multiple energy sources. But i wouldnt get an all electric vehicle.

A car should allow you to choose your energy source on any given day for any road/weather conditions. So if you could choose gas one day, electricity for another & propane/natural gas for another that'd be ideal.

Just flick the switch. I saw 1 Mitsubishi model that could do that

Is one of those options unicorn farts? You would buy that with your pretend money broke old loser.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Oliver Clotheshoffe on September 07, 2022, 02:17:39 PM

An interesting little fact -

https://www.bitchute.com/video/cZJzITz1dRU/

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on September 07, 2022, 02:32:18 PM

~~Quote from: "Oliver Clotheshoffe" post_id=474387 time=1662574659 user_id=3349~~
An interesting little fact -

https://www.bitchute.com/video/cZJzITz1dRU/

:thumbup:

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on September 07, 2022, 03:19:13 PM

All those wasted resources so rich progs can feel morally superior.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on September 09, 2022, 10:53:23 AM

Seventeen states follow California's rigid vehicle emission requirements instead of federal standards, and now they're considering following California's lead in its gas-powered vehicle ban.

Indeed, Oregon said it'll update its Advanced Clean Cars II law proposal to include a gas-powered vehicle ban in 2035.

And Washington said it would adopt a version of California's rule by year's end.

In Sep. 2021, New York Gov. Kathy Hochul (D) signed Senate Bill S2758, which effectively banned gas-powered vehicle sales by implementing a "zero-emission" in-state sales goal of 100 percent by 2035.

New York will likely institute an outright ban soon.

Further, other states have so-called trigger laws that require them to adopt the same emission regulations as California's—even if they disagree with the requirements.

On Aug. 25, the California Air Resources Board voted to ban the sale of gas-powered cars entirely by 2035—a move impacting seventeen states that follow California's emission regulations.

New York, Massachusetts, Vermont, Maine, Pennsylvania, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Washington, Oregon, New Jersey, Maryland, Delaware, Colorado, Minnesota, Nevada, Virginia, and New Mexico have all chosen to opt into California's standards instead of federal requirement.

Moreover, depending on the legalese of each state's regulations, if California implements a specific condition, then the state tied to California's standards must follow suit.

For example, under then-Gov. Ralph Northam (D), Virginia tied itself to California's emission standards when it passed House Bill 1965, which directed Virginia's State Air Pollution Control Board to "adopt and enforce" Section 177 of the Clean Air Act.

The Clean Air Act is a federal law requiring states to implement federal vehicle emissions standards or opt under Section 177 to follow California's more stringent requirements.

Massachusetts, Washington, and Vermont have similar laws tying them to California.

On Aug. 11, Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker (R) signed House Bill 5060, which essentially dictated that if California passed a fossil-fuel vehicle ban, Massachusetts would follow suit.

In 2020, Washington passed Senate Bill 5811, which states, "The department of ecology shall adopt rules to implement the motor vehicle emission standards of the state of California including the zero emission vehicle program, and shall amend the rules from time to time, to maintain consistency with the California motor vehicle emission standards."

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on September 14, 2022, 10:25:58 AM

Politicians like Biden and Trudeau are lying to us. EV's do not reduce pollution.

States to Ban Gas-Powered Cars Despite EVs' Human, Environmental Costs

In Chile's Salar de Atacama, locals watch helplessly as their ancestral lands wither and die, their precious water resources evaporating in briny salars.

In the Democratic Republic of Congo, hope for a better life dissolves as well-funded Ugandan-led extremist groups force children as young as 6 to work in cobalt mines.

Closer to home, Nevada's Fort McDermitt Tribe and local ranchers fight to protect a sacred burial site and agricultural lands set to be sacrificed by Lithium Nevada, a mining company, in the coming days.

Meanwhile, in California and other states, politicians such as Gov. Gavin Newsom (D-Calif.) pat themselves on the back for their "aggressive" environmental stance and boast that their gas-powered vehicle bans are leading "the revolution towards our zero-emission transportation future."

The Hidden Costs

According to politicians like Newsom and President Joe Biden, electric vehicles (EV) are "zero-emission" because they use lithium-ion batteries—consisting of lithium, cobalt, graphite, and other materials—instead of gas.

Thus, starting in 2035, California will ban gas-powered vehicle sales, while several other states plan to follow suit, citing that as a goal and "critical milestone in our climate fight," on Twitter.

Additionally, according to a statement from Biden, banning gas-powered vehicles will "save consumers money, cut pollution, boost public health, advance environmental justice, and tackle the climate crisis."

John Hadder, director of the Great Basin Resource Watch, disagrees, pointing out to The Epoch Times that "industrial" nations might benefit from the transition to EVs, but it's at the expense of others.

"This expansion of [lithium] mining will have immediate consequences for front-line communities that are taking the 'hit.'"

For example, Copiapó, the capital of Chile's Atacama region, is the location of one of the world's largest known lithium reserves.

"We used to have a river before, that now doesn't exist. There isn't a drop of water," Elena Rivera Cardoso, president of the Indigenous Colla community of the Copiapó commune, told the National Resources Defense Council (NRDC).

She added that all of Chile's water is disappearing because of the local lithium mine.

"In all of Chile, there are rivers and lakes that have disappeared—all because a company has a lot more right to water than we do as human beings or citizens of Chile."

In collaboration with Cardosa's statement, the Institute for Energy Research reports that 65 percent of the area's limited water resources are consumed by mining activities.

That's displacing indigenous communities who have called Atacama home for more than 6,000 years, because farmers and ranchers have cracked, dry soil, and no choice but to abandon their ancestral settlements, according to the U.N. Conference on Trade and Development (UNCTAD).

Experience of Congolese Miners

That's something the people of the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) know from first-hand experience.

In its 2022 report, the U.S. Geological Survey reported that in 2021, more than 70 percent of the global cobalt production came from the DRC and that southern Congo sits atop an estimated 3.5 million metric tons—almost half—of the world's known supply.

It's also one of the world's poorest countries, according to the nonpartisan Wilson Center, and plagued by humanitarian crises, some of which are directly caused by mining.

In December 2021, researchers at Northwestern University conducted an environmental life cycle assessment on extracting raw materials needed for EVs and published their paper in One Earth's Journal.

They found cobalt mining was associated with increased violence, physical and mental health challenges, substance abuse, and food and water insecurity, among other issues. They further noted that community members lost communal land, farmland, and homes, which miners dug up to extract cobalt.

"You might think of mining as just digging something up," said Sera L. Young, an associate professor of anthropology at Northwestern University. "But they are not digging on vacant land. Homelands are dug up. People are literally digging holes in their living room floors. The repercussions of mining can touch almost every aspect of life."

That "every aspect of life" includes children. In the DRC, an estimated 40,000 children are working in the mines under slave labor conditions—some as young as 6. Initially, there was hope that DRC President Felix Tschisekedi would curb the abuses, but now those hopes are dwindling.

In her address before the U.S. Congress on July 14, Crisis and Conflict Director for Human Rights Watch Ida Sawyer stated that "child labor and other serious human rights abuses in the mining sector remain widespread, and these challenges only become harder to address amidst rampant corruption."

"The Allied Democratic Forces (ADF), a Ugandan-led armed Islamist group with ties to the Islamic State (ISIS) ... as well as their backers among the Congolese political and military elite, control lucrative mineral resources, land, and taxation rackets."

The Wilson Center reports that there are an estimated 255,000 Congolese miners laboring for cobalt, primarily using their hands.

"As global demand for Congolese mineral resources increases, so do the associated dangers that raise red flags for Congolese miners' human rights," it said.

And human rights violations aren't the only concern with cobalt mining. Wilson Center states: "The extraction of DRC mineral resources includes cutting down trees and building roads, negatively impacting the environment and biodiversity ... Cobalt mining operations generate incredibly high carbon dioxide and nitrogen dioxide emissions and substantial electricity consumption. These emissions contribute to the fact that Africa produces five percent of carbon dioxide emissions globally."

https://www.theepochtimes.com/states-to-ban-gas-powered-cars-despite-human-and-environmental-cost-of-electric-vehicles_4726635.html?utm_source=morningbriefnoe&utm_campaign=mb-2022-09-14&utm_medium=email&est=m0nUZJBipWJz24JITKxwessUiGrdV6%2Fr4vAch1sb33l7fR%2FRG7zgmcz%2BHovt1HQ7rw%3D%3D

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on September 14, 2022, 10:36:55 AM

Could the federal government impose a ban on new gas-powered cars?

Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg said recently he is interested in such a policy after California mandated that only "zero-emission" cars be sold by the mid-2030s.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on September 14, 2022, 08:27:09 PM

~~Quote from: seoulbro post_id=474864 time=1663166215~~
Could the federal government impose a ban on new gas-powered cars?

Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg said recently he is interested in such a policy after California mandated that only "zero-emission" cars be sold by the mid-2030s.

Trudeau did and so will Biden.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on September 22, 2022, 10:38:35 PM

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Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Oliver Clotheshoffe on September 23, 2022, 02:06:36 PM

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Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on September 23, 2022, 02:16:11 PM

~~Quote from: "Oliver Clotheshoffe" post_id=475396 time=1663956396 user_id=3349~~
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~~BULLSEYE!!~~

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on September 23, 2022, 06:54:27 PM

~~Quote from: "Oliver Clotheshoffe" post_id=475396 time=1663956396 user_id=3349~~
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~~:ohmy:~~

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on September 23, 2022, 07:51:20 PM

~~Quote from: "Oliver Clotheshoffe" post_id=475396 time=1663956396 user_id=3349~~
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~~Strange I didn't see Trudeau holding up this image when he mandated an all electric fleet across Canada by 2035.~~

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on September 23, 2022, 11:49:55 PM

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Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Green_Hornet on September 25, 2022, 11:17:30 AM

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Liar liar pants on fire.

In Chile's desert lie vast reserves of lithium — key for electric car batteries

September 24, 20226:00 AM ET

https://www.npr.org/2022/09/24/1123564599/chile-lithium-mining-atacama-desert

In the article it has a link to the environmental concern about the reduced amount of flamingos

https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/abs/10.1098/rspb.2021.2388

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Green_Hornet on September 25, 2022, 11:25:28 AM

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How long do EV batteries last?

Under current estimates, most EV batteries will last somewhere between 10-20 years before they need to be replaced.

However, according to a survey by Cox Automotive, many potential EV buyers have reservations when it comes to battery life and the costs associated with battery replacement.

For many considering purchasing an electric vehicle, just under half consider the average battery life to be less than 65,000 miles.

How much does an electric car battery cost?

The aforementioned fears are understandable: the battery pack of an EV is by far the most expensive part of the vehicle and can cost £5,500 on average and even as much as £9,400 per battery in some cases.

It's important to note here that battery prices have fallen dramatically over the past decade. For example, the average price of a kilowatt-hour—the standard measure of a battery's price—dropped from £948 per kWh in 2010 to just £105 today.

That price is expected to fall to stabilise at £74 per kWh by 2031; universally considered the point that EVs will cost as much as petrol cars to manufacture.

An EV driving on a road in the middle of a forest

The majority of manufacturers give between five to ten years warranty on their batteries or up to 62,000 miles.

Batteries are designed not to die fully, but slowly lose charging capacity over time. This depletion happens gradually with many reporting the loss of a few percentage points over the several years. To put this into perspective, according to Plug In America, a Tesla Model S's battery only loses five percent of its original capacity over the first 50,000 miles.

However, as with many components of older vehicles, the battery will eventually begin to degrade. To measure this, when looking at the average decline across all vehicles, the loss is arguably minor, at 2.3 percent per year. This means that if you purchase an EV today with a 150 miles range, you'll have only lost about 17 miles of accessible range after five years.

https://blog.evbox.com/uk-en/ev-battery-longevity

The anti-EV idiots must like paying the high gas prices.

$2.20 per litre in Vancouver.

To fill up my old car cost about $80.

To fully recharge on a level 3 charger $13.00 close to empty which is still expensive ;). Charging at home estimate $9.00.

BC Hydro energy cost is 0.10 Kilowatt Hour Level 1 rate, 0.15 Kilowatt Hour Level 2 rate.

To drive 20 km cost 30 cents on a EV Level 1 rate cost and it takes 3 hours to charge on 110v.

I love the instant torque response from the EV!!! It scared me how fast it accelerate when I put the petal to metal.

No oil changes, no anti-freeze coolant changes, no transmission fluid change, less brake maintenance (due to the regenerative braking).

I love the free EV Charging!!!. There are six level 2 Flo EV charging for free at the Tsawwassen Mills near the Walmart. Good part. Most of the free charging stations are available all the time!!!

I finish my shopping and come to a fully charged car for FREE! P.S. Don't remotely run the air conditioning full blast before arriving, the FLO EV charger does not like that and shuts down.

U.S. crosses the electric-car tipping point for mass adoption

The next major car markets approaching the tipping point this year include Canada, Australia, and Spain

https://driving.ca/auto-news/industry/u-s-crosses-the-electric-car-tipping-point-for-mass-adoption

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on September 25, 2022, 11:54:09 AM

GH, you are a idiot besides being a piss poor troll. Can e dispose of old EV batteries next to where you live? How long will you live?

Why do you think gasoline in Vancocuver is over two dollars litre? Progresssive policiea are manipulating the market, you moron.ba

Electric car batteries are an environmental disaster Electric vehicles have a dirty secret: the lithium and cobalt that are in EV car batteries destroy the environment and violate human rights. Lithium mining requires a massive amount of water, which is increasingly in short supply in many regions of the world. Approximately 500,000 gallons of water get used for every ton of lithium mined. To extract lithium, "miners drill a hole in salt flats and pump salty, mineral-rich brine to the surface." The water then evaporates after several months, which leaves lithium and other minerals.

The Lithium Triangle in South America, which includes portions of Bolivia, Chile, and Argentina, contains more than half of the world's supply of lithium. The region is also very dry. In Chile's Salar de Atacama, lithium mining consumes 65% of the region's water. The problem is so bad that farmers and other people in the local communities have to get water elsewhere.

In addition to using a great deal of water, lithium mining causes water, soil, and air pollution. Toxic chemicals like hydrochloric acid used in the mining process can leak from evaporation pools and contaminate the surrounding area.

Another problem regarding lithium-ion EV car batteries is the high amount of lithium-ion waste

https://www.motorbiscuit.com/ev-car-batteries-destroy-environment-violate-human-rights/

The Mercedes-Benz EQC, comes in at 1,400 pounds. Typically made with cobalt, nickel, and manganese, among other components, these batteries cost thousands of dollars and come with an environmental burden: They require ingredients sourced from polluting mines and smelters around the world, and they can ultimately contaminate soil and water supplies when disposed.

California cannot produce enough electricity now ywou idiot What happens when all cars are electric. Not to mention the disposal of the toxic batteries.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Green_Hornet on September 25, 2022, 12:07:03 PM

SB: You idiot.

I have charging option on my EV. It is called the timer. I never use it. I can charge during non-peak times in California. 20km cost 30 cents for 3 hours charging on 110v, level 1 BC Hydro rates: $0.10 Kilowatt Hour. (Of course, SB is too stupid to do the match and figure the rapid return on investment on an EV including very low maintenance on EVs. From the first time, I am driving an EV I am saving money.)

Why Electric Vehicles Won't Break the Grid

Though conservatives have attacked California officials for asking electric vehicle owners to unplug during a heat wave, experts say more electric cars won't topple the power grid

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-electric-vehicles-wont-break-the-grid/

My heating in the winter is WAY MORE than charging the EV. I cannot even see the cost of charging my EV in my electric bill because everything else takes more power. AC is the high temperature summer is WAY MORE than charging the EV in the Summer in California.

Did you check the new EV especially the new KIA EV and the Ford F150 Lighting, SB you moron?

They have V2G (Vehicle to Grid) capability. SB you idiot. The V2G capability will save the grid. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle-to-grid

The new KIA EV has a 110VAC option included. Great for camping when you need AC Power.

I love the AC output from the F150 Lighting that is suppose to keep the average house powered up for 3 days. (220VAC standard output!!!)

All current and future EV trucks have an AC Power option. (Of course, you don't know that SB because you are an idiot.)

Texas man uses new 2021 Ford F-150 to heat home, power appliances during blackout (This is the massive 3 day blackout in Texas.)

https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/ford/2021/02/18/texas-power-outage-storm-blackout-ford-f-150-generator/6797103002/

I love the Ford F-150 tailgate, it has a bottle opener built in.

PS. I love level 2 EV charging for free at many shopping centers. After you finish your shopping, your EV is fully charged. If the Level 2 EV charger hits the maximum of 6 Kilowatt charging, that is sweet!! 1 Kilowatt charging is what you get from home when charging on 110 v. Tsawwassen Mills has 6 free FLO EV charging stations near the Walmart. Most of them are free all the time. Get a free FLO membership and you are good to go.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on September 25, 2022, 01:02:46 PM

Here is the Hornung the virgin shilling for the EV scammers.

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Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on September 25, 2022, 01:16:51 PM

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This is me. I'm still a virgin.

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We know.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on September 25, 2022, 01:23:38 PM

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Here is the Hornung the virgin shilling for the EV scammers.

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Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on September 25, 2022, 01:30:35 PM

I can't believe that virgin troll Hornydung tried to pass off an editorial from unscientificamerican as proof, Electric vehicles are completely unsustainable as well as turning the world turning the world into a toxic toilet.

The companies that actually produce electricity admit the grid cannot possibly support the lunacy of ev's.

California Wants Everybody To Buy an Electric Car, but Its Own Energy Grid Can't Support It

https://reason.com/2022/09/01/california-wants-everybody-to-buy-an-electric-car-but-its-own-energy-grid-cant-support-it/

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Ms.Min on September 25, 2022, 01:34:57 PM

Green_Hornet, no repetitive spam in this section please..

If you must get upset take it to Rejected.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on September 25, 2022, 01:41:37 PM

I forgot to mention unscientificamerican endorsed Joe Biden for president. Enjpying Bidenflation, thank thank them and that idiot White troll Hornydung.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on September 25, 2022, 01:46:45 PM

Hey Hornung the virgin, are you still comapring yourself to tormented teenaged girls, ya fucking mental case.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on September 25, 2022, 02:11:44 PM

We were considering a hybrid before I bought my Sentra......we made the right choice affordability wise.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Ms.Min on September 25, 2022, 02:12:55 PM

Green_Hornet, threats on't be tolerated.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on September 25, 2022, 02:17:50 PM

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Green_Hornet, threats on't be tolerated.

What is that idiotic boring White racist troll doing now?

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on September 25, 2022, 02:27:37 PM

Just a reminder: Hornung is still an insane fifty year old virgin.

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Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on September 25, 2022, 06:22:53 PM

Well Green_Hornut, my buck toothed slanty eyed little friend, electric cars are unsustainable. EVs could easily consume most, if not all of the world's lithium and cobalt reserves. This defeats the purpose of switching away from non-renewables.

While EVs may emit fewer greenhouse gases (GHG) when being used, the manufacturing process also accounts for a large part of the total impact of a car on the environment. As it turns out, this can easily make EVs more polluting than vehicles with conventional engines, and we haven't talked about their end-of-life yet

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on September 25, 2022, 10:37:02 PM

That slope Green Hornet shouldn't be allowed to drive. Those people are shitty drivers.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on September 25, 2022, 10:44:45 PM

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That slope Green Hornet shouldn't be allowed to drive. Those people are shitty drivers.

:001_rolleyes:

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on September 27, 2022, 10:44:30 AM

Hey Green Hornut, you lame troll, a bunch of counties in Florida could be without power. If they were foolish enough to buy an earth raping EV like you claim you did, their overpriced cars aren't moving.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on September 27, 2022, 11:08:10 AM

I would never consider flying in an electric plane.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Anonymous on September 30, 2022, 08:53:56 AM

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I would never consider flying in an electric plane.

You might get a giggle out of this. ac_biggrin

https://www.bitchute.com/video/QENh3JsvM6Y4/

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: formosan on September 30, 2022, 09:51:18 AM

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~~Quote from: Fashionista post_id=475679 time=1664291290~~
I would never consider flying in an electric plane.

You might get a giggle out of this. ac_biggrin

https://www.bitchute.com/video/QENh3JsvM6Y4/

"Electric cars run on blood and African child labour"......I've heard that.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Oerdin on October 01, 2022, 09:04:02 PM

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We were considering a hybrid before I bought my Sentra......we made the right choice affordability wise.

You should have gone with Toyota or Honda for reliab8. Nissan just has gone downhill ever since Renault got involved.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: formosan on October 01, 2022, 09:14:07 PM

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~~Quote from: Fashionista post_id=475539 time=1664129504~~
We were considering a hybrid before I bought my Sentra......we made the right choice affordability wise.

You should have gone with Toyota or Honda for reliab8. Nissan just has gone downhill ever since Renault got involved.

They're more expensive..

My old car was a 2013 Altima.......it was very reliable.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Oerdin on October 01, 2022, 11:01:54 PM

The EU is already talking about banning hybrid cars.

https://youtu.be/aud_HqnMFUw

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Frood on October 02, 2022, 01:40:04 AM

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I would never consider flying in an electric plane.

I wouldn't either unless I had a parachute and a gun to compel the opening of doors....

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Oerdin on October 03, 2022, 04:39:54 PM

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~~Quote from: Oerdin post_id=475890 time=1664672642 user_id=3374~~

You should have gone with Toyota or Honda for reliab8. Nissan just has gone downhill ever since Renault got involved.

They're more expensive..

My old car was a 2013 Altima.......it was very reliable.

I believe Renault got involved with Nissan in 2008 so it is likely the 2013 Altima was resigned without Renault input or parts. The later ones got much worse in quality as French parts started getting used.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Oliver Clotheshoffe on October 11, 2022, 04:25:09 PM

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In the aftermath of the devastating Hurricane Ian in Florida, things are going from bad to worse. The destruction is massive, and also ongoing. That's because even though the hurricane occurred over a week ago, its after-effects are mounting. These include the instances of Tesla EVs exploding into flames around the state. The mixture of electricity and salt water leads to these latent fires.

Florida State Fire Marshal Jimmy Patronis on Twitter wrote, "There's a ton of EVs disabled from lan. As those batteries corrode, fires start. That's a new challenge that our firefighters haven't faced before. At least on this kind of scale". In Naples, Florida alone, there have been four reports of Tesla fires since Hurricane Ian struck.

EV fires have always posed problems for firefighters. The energy stored in the batteries doesn't dissipate over time. "So you have the stored energy in the batteries," Stephen Gollan with Fort Lauderdale Fire Rescue told NewsNation. "Just because the vehicle is submerged doesn't mean the energy is discharged in any way. Anytime you mix electrical components and salt water together, it is a recipe for disaster."

This has been a known problem for some time, and Florida isn't the first instance of it happening. In 2018, Italy's Port of Savona became flooded. Stored there were Maserati hybrids for export. A number of them caught fire when the salt water leaked into the lithium-ion batteries.

"This is an issue many fire departments across southwest Florida are experiencing right now," North Collier Fire District states. "These vehicles have been submerged in salt water, they have extensive damage and can potentially be serious fire hazards. No one was injured in the fire, traffic interruption was minimal, and the crews remained on scene with the vehicle for hours to ensure it was extinguished."

Extinguishing these very hot fires can take thousands of gallons of water. Tesla's emergency response guide says between 3,000 to 8,000 gallons of water are necessary to extinguish an EV fire. For gas-powered vehicles, it takes on average around 1,000 gallons of water to put out a fire.

There have been many instances when after a few days the EV will catch on fire a second time. "It takes special training and understanding of EVs to ensure these fires are put out quickly and safely," Patronis said.

https://www.motorbiscuit.com/flooded-tesla-hurricane-ian-exploding-florida/

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Oerdin on October 13, 2022, 12:36:56 PM

Battery fires are no joke because they simply won't go out.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Oliver Clotheshoffe on October 18, 2022, 05:29:23 PM

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An electric vehicle (EV) owner who takes road trips between Cheyenne and Casper in Wyoming has revealed that his first trip of 178 miles took a staggering 15 hours to complete in his electric Nissan Leaf.

"It was very difficult. For example, it took 15 hours to get from Cheyenne to Casper," Alan O'Hashi told Cowboy State Daily, adding that this particular trip wasn't taken in the beginning of the EV era. It was in May 2022.

One month later, O'Hashi was able to complete the road trip in about 11 hours, he said. To put it into perspective, the trip of 178 miles should take less than two and a half hours traveling the speed limit in a gasoline-powered vehicle.

O'Hashi's experience driving across Wyoming has been such an adventure that the EV owner even wrote a book about the subject, titled, On The Trail: Electric Vehicle Advice and Anxiety.

O'Hashi said that on his first trip to Cody, Wyoming, from Colorado in his Nissan Leaf, he used a Level 3 charger at a public charging station in Wellington, Colorado, which can take his small vehicle between 10 to 30 minutes to charge.

But the charge wasn't enough to get him to Casper, Wyoming. So he had to drive 30 miles to Cheyenne, where he could use a Level 2 charger at a Nissan dealership. At that level, O'Hashi would get roughly 10 miles worth of power for every hour he was hooked up.

Moreover, O'Hashi had to charge for three hours in order to get his battery back to where it was when he left Wellington.

"What I've learned from driving this thing is patience," O'Hashi said.

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2022/10/18/electric-nightmare-ev-owner-details-15-hour-nightmare-trek-in-wyoming/

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Lokmar on October 18, 2022, 06:44:19 PM

There isnt a battery in a car big enough to replace the power of 16 gallons of gasoline.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Herman on June 13, 2023, 08:08:14 PM

Self-righteous totalitarian tinkering and the end of gas-powered cars

https://financialpost.com/opinion/self-righteous-totalitarian-tinkering-end-gas-powered-cars?fbclid=IwAR3-UGgfcYt_dLz3miiJttgPHm1mtpaMiXVrZWYzog5CUOhvVKoJKbwGcVs

Canadians often get to vote on important local projects. When did we all vote on abolishing gas engines?

By 2035, ministers Steven Guilbeault and Jonathan Wilkinson decreed in 2021, the "mandatory target," i.e., the requirement, for all new "light-duty cars and passenger trucks" is that they be zero-emission.

Thus will end, in this country at least, the widespread use of the internal-combustion engine for personal transportation, a technology that since its first commercially successful use in the 19th century, has brought unprecedented prosperity and freedom of movement to literally billions of people around the world and largely made possible the much-decried suburban lifestyle that is currently under all-out attack from car-less urban sophisticates. It has also over the decades undergone continuous and considerable refinement in terms of efficiency, noise and exhaust, so that modern combustion engines are barely recognizable compared to early versions.

In 2021, Statistics Canada tells us, more than 26.2 million "road motor vehicles" were registered in this country, which works out to not quite one car per adult Canadian (depending where you draw the age line for adult, of course).

Of those 26.2 million registered motor vehicles, 303,073 were hybrid-electric, 152,685 battery-electric and 95,896 plug-in electric — so some 551,000 in total, or a little over two per cent, were low or no emissions. Except that net-zero absolutists really don't like hybrid vehicles, which run part of the time on fossil fuels, so the true proportion of elite-acceptable net-zero vehicles was under one per cent. And we're now in 2023, which means 2035 is just 12 years away. What contortions will the car industry, not to mention the economy, have to be put through so that in those 12 short years all new cars are net-zero? The hubris of people willing to impose such contortions is breathtaking.

As Lionel Shriver, one of my favourite columnists, put it in London's Spectator magazine last week: "We've entered an era of unaccountable bureaucratic imposition that's only going to get worse ... Bans on the sale of new petrol cars by 2030 and gas boilers in new homes by 2025 that no one voted for are just the beginning of a self-righteous totalitarian tinkering with our daily lives that makes a mockery of the notion that democracies are governed by consent."

She was writing about Britain and in particular London's "ultra-low emissions zone," in which non-complying cars pay a charge of £12.50 a day. But she could have been writing about this country or indeed any western democracy, in all of which officials seem firmly in control and voters essentially powerless. "Self-righteous totalitarian tinkering" is a phrase that these days echoes familiarly in Canada.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: DKG on June 18, 2023, 09:30:17 AM

The range of electric vehicles can fall by up to a quarter when made to carry heavy loads, according to a study conducted by the American Automobile Association (AAA) on Ford's EV pickup truck F-150 Lightning.

In an unloaded state, the 2022 Lightning had a driving range of 278 miles. However, with a payload of 1,400 pounds, the driving range dropped to 210 miles, a decline of 68 miles or 24.5 percent from the unloaded range, according to the June 13 study. Such payloads are equivalent to hauling around 20 bags of concrete mix. AAA advised that prospective buyers of EVs who are likely to carry heavy loads regularly should "consider the impact this can have to their driving range."

"This study is important for broadening our understanding of the limitations of electric vehicles," said Adrienne Woodland, spokesperson for AAA, according to a June 13 post. "Range anxiety remains a top reason consumers are hesitant to switch from gasoline-powered vehicles to EVs."

Greg Brannon, director of AAA Automotive Engineering, pointed out that though the test revealed a "significant range reduction," it was done with the EV loaded near its maximum capacity.

Most buyers will typically use the Lightning with a lighter load. As such, even though there will still be a range reduction, it will be lower than the reduction at maximum load, he pointed out.

Winter Impact

EVs not only lose range when carrying heavy loads, but they also lose it during winter conditions. In December 2022, EV insight firm Recurrent published research on range loss among electric vehicles during freezing conditions, finding that the loss of range can go up to 35 percent.

Recurrent explained why EVs lose range in winter by comparing it with internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles. ICEs turn all the energy that they don't use into "waste heat," or lost energy. During cold weather, this energy can be redirected from the engine to warm the cabin.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Lokmar on June 18, 2023, 11:46:55 AM

The stupidity reaches far beyond EV''s. There was an article about the giant back up Generator in Springfield, IL that was recently repaired for 13 million. The article specifically stated that these generators can no longer be built because of the EPA regs. Its fucking astounding.

https://newschannel20.com/news/local/generator-repairment-costs-millions-for-springfield#

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Herman on July 13, 2023, 07:16:20 PM

Here are 10 reasons for federal and Ontario taxpayers to be concerned about the decision by the Trudeau and Ford governments to subsidize two electric vehicle battery plants for up to $30 billion over the next decade.

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/goldstein-ten-reasons-for-taxpayer-concern-about-subsidizing-ev-batteries

1 – This was never planned as a made-in-Canada policy. These deals are entirely the result of President Joe Biden's passage of the U.S. Inflation Reduction Act last year — which actually increases inflation — because of the huge subsidies it offers to so-called clean energy developers. The federal and Ontario governments say they had to respond in kind in what looks to many critics like panic bidding against the Americans.

2 – The Trudeau government told Canadians having a national carbon tax would make Canada more competitive in attracting clean energy technology. In reality, the U.S. doesn't have a national carbon tax and the fact we have one was irrelevant in these bidding wars.

3 – These subsidies are different from past government support of the auto sector which was for capital projects. Only a small portion of the up to $30 billion in subsidies offered to Volkswagen and Stellantis — about $2.2 billion — is for factory construction. The rest of the subsidies — which are unprecedented — are based on the production and sale of EV batteries and contingent on the continuation of the IRA.

4 – If the governments of either Prime Minister Justin Trudeau or Ontario Premier Doug Ford did any due diligence or impact analysis of these deals, they haven't made them public.

5 – When Parliamentary Budget Officer Yves Giroux examined the deal with Volkswagen, he estimated the total cost of the taxpayer subsidy at up to $16.3 billion, not $13.9 billion reported by the Trudeau government. Finance Minister Chrystia Freeland disputed Giroux's number, saying $13.9 billion is correct.

6 – Even using the lower figure for the Volkswagen deal, it means taxpayers will be providing almost $14 billion in subsidies, double the amount of the $7-billion plant Volkswagen is building in St. Thomas, Ont., and $16 billion in subsidies, or more than triple the amount of the $5-billion plant Stellantis is building in Windsor, Ont.

7 – Volkswagen recently cut back its production of EV vehicles in Germany due to what it described as "strong customer reluctance in the electric vehicle sector," adding "the Volkswagen brand, like other car manufacturers, is currently seeing softening demand for electric cars. Reasons for this include reduced subsidies, higher inflation and recent longer delivery times due to the shortage of parts."

8 – Stellantis recently idled its Jeep Cherokee SUV plant in Belvidere, Illinois, laying off 1,350 workers, citing the high costs of converting to EV production, warning there could be more closures if the trend continues.

9 – While our two governments say these projects will create 6,000 direct jobs and support tens of thousands indirectly, ultimately the success of this industry will depend on further price reductions (beyond existing buyer subsidies), improved range for EVs, particularly in Canada's cold climate, rebuilding our electricity grid, increased availability of public charging stations and the willingness of EV buyers to pay the (subsidized) cost of home charging stations.

10 – Finally, success will depend on new supply chains providing raw materials for manufacturing EV batteries from northern Ontario's Ring of Fire, plus new mining operations already opposed by some Indigenous groups.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: DKG on July 13, 2023, 08:16:26 PM

^^I loathe corporate welfare.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: DKG on July 30, 2023, 10:41:23 AM

An electric car has been suspected of causing a blaze aboard a cargo ship carrying almost 3,000 vehicles off of the Netherlands.

The ship's owners told Dutch media that they suspect an EV battery explosion for being the cause of the deadly fire.

The Dutch Coast Guard said that the 18,500-tonne burning car carrier, Fremantle Highway, was en route from Bremerhaven, Germany, to Port Said, Egypt, when the blaze broke out on Wednesday.

The ship was carrying 2,857 vehicles, including 25 electric cars.

Shoei Kisen Kaisha, the Japanese ship leasing company that manages the Fremantle, said that the cargo ship was underway to its final destination in Singapore when the fire broke out.

Around 350 of the vehicles on board were cars from Mercedes-Benz, said the shipping company.

"There is a good chance that the fire started with electric cars," the company told the NOS public broadcaster. "But we are not entirely sure of the cause, we are waiting for the investigation."

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Herman on July 30, 2023, 05:25:24 PM

How bad would they would be doing without taxpayer subsidies.

Ford Expects to Lose $4.5B on EVs This Year
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/ford-electric-vehicles-loss/2023/07/28/id/1128865/?fbclid=IwAR1BOEdRzYhN1HdNA5RQG2JdL5hQ26U6r642_3h_DACDDRzvvCWFkTgdXYk
Automaker Ford estimates its electric vehicle division will lose $4.5 billion this year, $1.5 billion more than it predicted in March.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Oerdin on August 02, 2023, 02:48:44 PM

Electric car charging points all across the UK are sitting unused because the power company doesn't have enough spare electricity to power them.

https://news.yahoo.com/electric-car-owners-issued-dire-warning-by-motorway-services-boss-091522987.html

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Oerdin on August 04, 2023, 06:31:08 PM

Tesla is getting sued by owners who claim the cars only have half the advertised range in the real world.

https://news.yahoo.com/finance/news/elon-musk-x-sued-afp-092937183.html

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: DKG on August 04, 2023, 07:41:14 PM

I thought electric vehicle ranges were exaggerated. They are also given in perfect conditions that aren't too cold or too hot.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: caskur on August 05, 2023, 05:57:13 PM

You are going to have to fix this crap with the posts being struck out.

I am now going to be living in a state of permanent terror. The new home owners next door have an electric car. This means at any time their could be an explosion and fire and their garage is built right on our fence line. If their garage catches fire it'll hit us as well.

I don't know what to do. I have seen news segments on batteries setting houses on fire.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Frood on August 06, 2023, 10:11:05 AM

Quote from: caskur on August 05, 2023, 05:57:13 PM
You are going to have to fix this crap with the posts being struck put.

I am now going to be living in a state of permanent terror. The new home owners next door have an electric car. This means at any time their could be an explosion and fire and their garage is built right on our fence line. If their garage catches fire it'll hit us as well.

I don't know what to do. I have seen news segments on batteries setting houses on fire.

Don't bother with the garden hose...

Water has no effect on lithium battery fires.

You've got to starve the oxygen out differently.

Ask the Florida fire crews after the last major hurricane and all the salt water affected EV's spontaneously erupting in flames.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: DKG on August 06, 2023, 12:10:50 PM

I am glad my building does not have charging stations.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Oerdin on August 06, 2023, 03:27:34 PM

The corroded batteries from saltwater submersion blowing up is very real. Laws absolutely need to be changed so that flood damaged electric cars can never be returned to the road for any reason.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: DKG on August 06, 2023, 03:36:24 PM

Quote from: Oerdin on August 06, 2023, 03:27:34 PM
The corroded batteries from saltwater submersion blowing up is very real. Laws absolutely need to be changed so that flood damaged electric cars can never be returned to the road for any reason.
Electric cars just became a lot less sustainable.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: Oliver the Second on August 24, 2023, 08:42:57 PM

Elon's Ticking Time Bombs: Hurricane Hilary Flooding Could Spark Tesla Fires Across California

(https://i.imgur.com/rLMjNLQ.jpeg)

Hurricane Hilary, which has created the heaviest rain fall in Southern California in 84 years, leading to severe flooding, could end up sparking Tesla battery fires across the region.

Last year, electric vehicles (EVs) caught on fire in Florida after becoming waterlogged during Hurricane Ian, giving firefighters a new challenge that they hadn't faced before. Fire officials explained that seawater from the storm surge reacted with the EVs' batteries, sparking the flames.

And California has far more EVs than any other state — an excess of 900,000 compared with just 168,000 in Florida, with more than a third of them estimated to be produced by Tesla.

Greg Brannon, director of automotive engineering research at the American Automobile Association (AAA), told the magazine, "The fact that it's saltwater or freshwater makes some difference, but not all the difference — the truth is any water is problematic and can cause shorting and damage to EV batteries."

When an EV catches fire, it is much more difficult and time consuming to put out, given that the components of an EV battery permit the blaze to create its own heat and oxygen.

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2023/08/23/elons-ticking-time-bombs-hurricane-hilary-flooding-could-spark-tesla-fires-across-california/

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: caskur on August 24, 2023, 09:23:16 PM

Quote from: DKG on August 06, 2023, 12:10:50 PMI am glad my building does not have charging stations.

Yet!

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: DKG on September 13, 2023, 01:54:17 PM

The insurance industry organization, Équité Association, recently released its list of the 10 most stolen vehicles in Canada. In the country as a whole, the most stolen vehicle is the Honda CR-V, followed by the Lexus RX, followed by an assortment of sedans, SUVs and pickups.

What all the stolen goods have in common in every province is that they are internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles. There's not an EV (electric vehicle) in the bunch. Not even a hybrid makes Equite's list.

One of the largest auto dealers in the country's customers just don't want EVs, so he has taken to parking his unsold electric pickups around the boundaries of his lot to discourage thieves from going after the catalytic converters in the ICEs parked in the middle.

The story is the same in the UK, Australia, the U.S. and elsewhere. Consumer enthusiasm for EVs seems to be waning. No one can say whether this is a short- or long-term pause. It could be, though, that rich consumers who can afford an EV as a second or third vehicle for puttering around town, may have bought as many EVs as they want. Now carmakers are finding it hard to attract middle-class buyers.

Here's another little barrier to keep in mind about having the electrical panel in homes upgraded to handle a fast charger. Far from the $800 to $1,200 the federal Liberals claim it will cost homeowners, are bei9ng quoted $17,000.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: DKG on September 16, 2023, 11:59:55 AM

Sometimes, you have to wonder if Democrats in Congress live on the same planet as the rest of the world. It's like they live in an alternate universe run on wishes and fairy dust. Their insane policies on crime already have made California a living hellhole, where thieves can walk into stores in broad daylight, steal and walk out without any fear of repercussion.

Add to that their ideas about saving the world by taking away your gas stoves and pizza ovens.

But if that wasn't enough, on Thursday, 190 House Democrats voted against the "Preserving Choice in Vehicle Purchases Act," a bill that would bar states from limiting the sale of gas-powered cars as part of efforts to combat climate change. Although the legislation did not specifically mention California, it was aimed at the Golden State's request for a waiver to ban the sale of new gas-powered cars by 2035, which was also supported by 17 other states that had adopted similar stringent vehicle standards, The Hill reported.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: caskur on September 26, 2023, 02:07:51 AM

Quote from: DKG on September 13, 2023, 01:54:17 PMThe insurance industry organization, Équité Association, recently released its list of the 10 most stolen vehicles in Canada. In the country as a whole, the most stolen vehicle is the Honda CR-V, followed by the Lexus RX, followed by an assortment of sedans, SUVs and pickups.

What all the stolen goods have in common in every province is that they are internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles. There's not an EV (electric vehicle) in the bunch. Not even a hybrid makes Equite's list.

One of the largest auto dealers in the country's customers just don't want EVs, so he has taken to parking his unsold electric pickups around the boundaries of his lot to discourage thieves from going after the catalytic converters in the ICEs parked in the middle.

The story is the same in the UK, Australia, the U.S. and elsewhere. Consumer enthusiasm for EVs seems to be waning. No one can say whether this is a short- or long-term pause. It could be, though, that rich consumers who can afford an EV as a second or third vehicle for puttering around town, may have bought as many EVs as they want. Now carmakers are finding it hard to attract middle-class buyers.

Here's another little barrier to keep in mind about having the electrical panel in homes upgraded to handle a fast charger. Far from the $800 to $1,200 the federal Liberals claim it will cost homeowners, are bei9ng quoted $17,000.

Nobody wants EV because replacing the battery is upto $12,000 AND the bloody things burst into flame.

They're shit and now the news about them has spread.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: DKG on September 26, 2023, 05:54:33 AM

Quote from: caskur on September 26, 2023, 02:07:51 AMNobody wants EV because replacing the battery is upto $12,000 AND the bloody things burst into flame.

They're shit and now the news about them has spread.
The batteries cost more than that here. It can cost a homeowner $17,000 to make a house fast charge ready.

Title: Re: What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Post by: DKG on July 13, 2024, 10:05:20 AM

Imagine we lived in a world where all cars were EVs, and then along comes a new invention, the "Internal Combustion Engine"! Think how well they would sell: A vehicle half the weight, half the price that will almost quarter the damage done to the road.

A vehicle that can be refuelled in 1/10th of the time and has a range of up to 4 times the distance in all weather conditions. It does not rely on the environmentally damaging use of non-renewable rare earth elements to power it, and use far less steel and other materials.

Just think how excited people would be for such technology, it would sell like hot cakes!

THeBlueCashew

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