What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles

[Oerdin]

You should have gone with Toyota or Honda for reliab8.  Nissan just has gone downhill ever since Renault got involved.

They're more expensive..



My old car was a 2013 Altima.......it was very reliable.

I believe Renault got involved with Nissan in 2008 so it is likely the 2013 Altima was resigned without Renault input or parts.  The later ones got much worse in quality as French parts started getting used.

[Oliver Clotheshoffe]

[Oerdin]

Battery fires are no joke because they simply won't go out.

[Oliver Clotheshoffe]

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An electric vehicle (EV) owner who takes road trips between Cheyenne and Casper in Wyoming has revealed that his first trip of 178 miles took a staggering 15 hours to complete in his electric Nissan Leaf.



"It was very difficult. For example, it took 15 hours to get from Cheyenne to Casper," Alan O'Hashi told Cowboy State Daily, adding that this particular trip wasn't taken in the beginning of the EV era. It was in May 2022.



One month later, O'Hashi was able to complete the road trip in about 11 hours, he said. To put it into perspective, the trip of 178 miles should take less than two and a half hours traveling the speed limit in a gasoline-powered vehicle.



O'Hashi's experience driving across Wyoming has been such an adventure that the EV owner even wrote a book about the subject, titled, On The Trail: Electric Vehicle Advice and Anxiety.



O'Hashi said that on his first trip to Cody, Wyoming, from Colorado in his Nissan Leaf, he used a Level 3 charger at a public charging station in Wellington, Colorado, which can take his small vehicle between 10 to 30 minutes to charge.



But the charge wasn't enough to get him to Casper, Wyoming. So he had to drive 30 miles to Cheyenne, where he could use a Level 2 charger at a Nissan dealership. At that level, O'Hashi would get roughly 10 miles worth of power for every hour he was hooked up.



Moreover, O'Hashi had to charge for three hours in order to get his battery back to where it was when he left Wellington.



"What I've learned from driving this thing is patience," O'Hashi said.





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[Lokmar]

There isnt a battery in a car big enough to replace the power of 16 gallons of gasoline.

[Herman]

Self-righteous totalitarian tinkering and the end of gas-powered cars

https://financialpost.com/opinion/self-righteous-totalitarian-tinkering-end-gas-powered-cars?fbclid=IwAR3-UGgfcYt_dLz3miiJttgPHm1mtpaMiXVrZWYzog5CUOhvVKoJKbwGcVs">https://financialpost.com/opinion/self- ... KoJKbwGcVs">https://financialpost.com/opinion/self-righteous-totalitarian-tinkering-end-gas-powered-cars?fbclid=IwAR3-UGgfcYt_dLz3miiJttgPHm1mtpaMiXVrZWYzog5CUOhvVKoJKbwGcVs

Canadians often get to vote on important local projects. When did we all vote on abolishing gas engines?



By 2035, ministers Steven Guilbeault and Jonathan Wilkinson decreed in 2021, the "mandatory target," i.e., the requirement, for all new "light-duty cars and passenger trucks" is that they be zero-emission.



Thus will end, in this country at least, the widespread use of the internal-combustion engine for personal transportation, a technology that since its first commercially successful use in the 19th century, has brought unprecedented prosperity and freedom of movement to literally billions of people around the world and largely made possible the much-decried suburban lifestyle that is currently under all-out attack from car-less urban sophisticates. It has also over the decades undergone continuous and considerable refinement in terms of efficiency, noise and exhaust, so that modern combustion engines are barely recognizable compared to early versions.



In 2021, Statistics Canada tells us, more than 26.2 million "road motor vehicles" were registered in this country, which works out to not quite one car per adult Canadian (depending where you draw the age line for adult, of course).



Of those 26.2 million registered motor vehicles, 303,073 were hybrid-electric, 152,685 battery-electric and 95,896 plug-in electric — so some 551,000 in total, or a little over two per cent, were low or no emissions. Except that net-zero absolutists really don't like hybrid vehicles, which run part of the time on fossil fuels, so the true proportion of elite-acceptable net-zero vehicles was under one per cent. And we're now in 2023, which means 2035 is just 12 years away. What contortions will the car industry, not to mention the economy, have to be put through so that in those 12 short years all new cars are net-zero? The hubris of people willing to impose such contortions is breathtaking.



As Lionel Shriver, one of my favourite columnists, put it in London's Spectator magazine last week: "We've entered an era of unaccountable bureaucratic imposition that's only going to get worse ... Bans on the sale of new petrol cars by 2030 and gas boilers in new homes by 2025 that no one voted for are just the beginning of a self-righteous totalitarian tinkering with our daily lives that makes a mockery of the notion that democracies are governed by consent."



She was writing about Britain and in particular London's "ultra-low emissions zone," in which non-complying cars pay a charge of £12.50 a day. But she could have been writing about this country or indeed any western democracy, in all of which officials seem firmly in control and voters essentially powerless. "Self-righteous totalitarian tinkering" is a phrase that these days echoes familiarly in Canada.

[DKG]

The range of electric vehicles can fall by up to a quarter when made to carry heavy loads, according to a study conducted by the American Automobile Association (AAA) on Ford's EV pickup truck F-150 Lightning.



In an unloaded state, the 2022 Lightning had a driving range of 278 miles. However, with a payload of 1,400 pounds, the driving range dropped to 210 miles, a decline of 68 miles or 24.5 percent from the unloaded range, according to the June 13 study. Such payloads are equivalent to hauling around 20 bags of concrete mix. AAA advised that prospective buyers of EVs who are likely to carry heavy loads regularly should "consider the impact this can have to their driving range."



"This study is important for broadening our understanding of the limitations of electric vehicles," said Adrienne Woodland, spokesperson for AAA, according to a June 13 post. "Range anxiety remains a top reason consumers are hesitant to switch from gasoline-powered vehicles to EVs."



Greg Brannon, director of AAA Automotive Engineering, pointed out that though the test revealed a "significant range reduction," it was done with the EV loaded near its maximum capacity.



Most buyers will typically use the Lightning with a lighter load. As such, even though there will still be a range reduction, it will be lower than the reduction at maximum load, he pointed out.



Winter Impact

EVs not only lose range when carrying heavy loads, but they also lose it during winter conditions. In December 2022, EV insight firm Recurrent published research on range loss among electric vehicles during freezing conditions, finding that the loss of range can go up to 35 percent.



Recurrent explained why EVs lose range in winter by comparing it with internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles. ICEs turn all the energy that they don't use into "waste heat," or lost energy. During cold weather, this energy can be redirected from the engine to warm the cabin.

[Lokmar]

The stupidity reaches far beyond EV''s. There was an article about the giant back up Generator in Springfield, IL that was recently repaired for 13 million. The article specifically stated that these generators can no longer be built because of the EPA regs. Its fucking astounding.

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[Herman]

Here are 10 reasons for federal and Ontario taxpayers to be concerned about the decision by the Trudeau and Ford governments to subsidize two electric vehicle battery plants for up to $30 billion over the next decade.



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1 – This was never planned as a made-in-Canada policy. These deals are entirely the result of President Joe Biden's passage of the U.S. Inflation Reduction Act last year — which actually increases inflation — because of the huge subsidies it offers to so-called clean energy developers. The federal and Ontario governments say they had to respond in kind in what looks to many critics like panic bidding against the Americans.



2 – The Trudeau government told Canadians having a national carbon tax would make Canada more competitive in attracting clean energy technology. In reality, the U.S. doesn't have a national carbon tax and the fact we have one was irrelevant in these bidding wars.



3 – These subsidies are different from past government support of the auto sector which was for capital projects. Only a small portion of the up to $30 billion in subsidies offered to Volkswagen and Stellantis — about $2.2 billion — is for factory construction. The rest of the subsidies — which are unprecedented — are based on the production and sale of EV batteries and contingent on the continuation of the IRA.



4 – If the governments of either Prime Minister Justin Trudeau or Ontario Premier Doug Ford did any due diligence or impact analysis of these deals, they haven't made them public.



5 – When Parliamentary Budget Officer Yves Giroux examined the deal with Volkswagen, he estimated the total cost of the taxpayer subsidy at up to $16.3 billion, not $13.9 billion reported by the Trudeau government. Finance Minister Chrystia Freeland disputed Giroux's number, saying $13.9 billion is correct.



6 – Even using the lower figure for the Volkswagen deal, it means taxpayers will be providing almost $14 billion in subsidies, double the amount of the $7-billion plant Volkswagen is building in St. Thomas, Ont., and $16 billion in subsidies, or more than triple the amount of the $5-billion plant Stellantis is building in Windsor, Ont.



7 – Volkswagen recently cut back its production of EV vehicles in Germany due to what it described as "strong customer reluctance in the electric vehicle sector," adding "the Volkswagen brand, like other car manufacturers, is currently seeing softening demand for electric cars. Reasons for this include reduced subsidies, higher inflation and recent longer delivery times due to the shortage of parts."



8 – Stellantis recently idled its Jeep Cherokee SUV plant in Belvidere, Illinois, laying off 1,350 workers, citing the high costs of converting to EV production, warning there could be more closures if the trend continues.



9 – While our two governments say these projects will create 6,000 direct jobs and support tens of thousands indirectly, ultimately the success of this industry will depend on further price reductions (beyond existing buyer subsidies), improved range for EVs, particularly in Canada's cold climate, rebuilding our electricity grid, increased availability of public charging stations and the willingness of EV buyers to pay the (subsidized) cost of home charging stations.



10 – Finally, success will depend on new supply chains providing raw materials for manufacturing EV batteries from northern Ontario's Ring of Fire, plus new mining operations already opposed by some Indigenous groups.

[DKG]

^^I loathe corporate welfare.

[DKG]

An electric car has been suspected of causing a blaze aboard a cargo ship carrying almost 3,000 vehicles off of the Netherlands.

The ship's owners told Dutch media that they suspect an EV battery explosion for being the cause of the deadly fire.

The Dutch Coast Guard said that the 18,500-tonne burning car carrier, Fremantle Highway, was en route from Bremerhaven, Germany, to Port Said, Egypt, when the blaze broke out on Wednesday.

The ship was carrying 2,857 vehicles, including 25 electric cars.

Shoei Kisen Kaisha, the Japanese ship leasing company that manages the Fremantle, said that the cargo ship was underway to its final destination in Singapore when the fire broke out.

Around 350 of the vehicles on board were cars from Mercedes-Benz, said the shipping company.

"There is a good chance that the fire started with electric cars," the company told the NOS public broadcaster. "But we are not entirely sure of the cause, we are waiting for the investigation."

[Herman]

How bad would they would be doing without taxpayer subsidies.

Ford Expects to Lose $4.5B on EVs This Year
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/ford-electric-vehicles-loss/2023/07/28/id/1128865/?fbclid=IwAR1BOEdRzYhN1HdNA5RQG2JdL5hQ26U6r642_3h_DACDDRzvvCWFkTgdXYk
Automaker Ford estimates its electric vehicle division will lose $4.5 billion this year, $1.5 billion more than it predicted in March.

[Oerdin]

Electric car charging points all across the UK are sitting unused because the power company doesn't have enough spare electricity to power them.

https://news.yahoo.com/electric-car-owners-issued-dire-warning-by-motorway-services-boss-091522987.html

[Oerdin]

Tesla is getting sued by owners who claim the cars only have half the advertised range in the real world.

https://news.yahoo.com/finance/news/elon-musk-x-sued-afp-092937183.html

[DKG]

I thought electric vehicle ranges were exaggerated. They are also given in perfect conditions that aren't too cold or too hot.