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Carney has so many conflicts of interests that he should not be allowed to be prime minister. Trump will exploit them in negotiations.

Who do you think Mark Conman will put first when Trump is threatening to expose more of Carney's checkered past while in negotiations over trade? Will it be you or himself. We know Mark Conman and it will be himself.

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Move over Trudeau, Trump has a new choice to be Canada's governor.

When it comes to who President Donald J. Trump would prefer to run America's "51st state," he's made it clear Prime Minister Mark Carney would get his vote as Canadians wonder when they will get a chance to cast theirs.

If it an election is called this weekend as some are reporting, Trump tipped his hand for a Liberal re-election.

Needless to say, this was a perfect set up for a witty response for Poilievre. And he waited until early Wednesday on X to do just that.

"Last night, President Donald Trump endorsed Mark Carney. Why? Because, as Trump said, he's 'easier' to deal with, and knows that I will be a tough negotiator and always put Canada First," wrote Poilievre. "Carney is weak and would cave to Trump's demands, just like he did when he moved his company headquarters from Canada to New York City."

"Canadians don't want a weak and conflicted leader. They want a strong Prime Minister who will put Canada First," he added.

Certainly, Poilievre has not bent the knee to Trump, who has tripled down on his narrative that Canada must become part of America.

But so far, Trump appears to like what he's hearing and has said he prefers Carney to Poilievre.

From Pierre Poilivere on X.

Last night, President Donald Trump endorsed Mark Carney.

Why? Because, as Trump said, he's "easier" to deal with, and knows that I will be a tough negotiator and always put Canada First. Carney is weak and would cave to Trump's demands, just like he did when he moved his company headquarters from Canada to New York City.

Canadians don't want a weak and conflicted leader. They want a strong Prime Minister who will put Canada First.
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I enthusiastically endorse Mark Carney in Canada's coming election.

Carney/Putin 2028!

As I have said before, I believe Mark Carney will be the last elected PM under Canada's current borders. He will make things so bad with his climate obsession that  2 provinces will leave and the rest of the country will become like Argentina before Javier Millei.

I still have investments back in Canada, specifically Alberta. If the US makes Alberta an offer that includes a straight loonie to greenback I will vote yes to joining the US at the embassy here in Singapore.

For that reason, I am endorsing MC for PM. He will make my investments increase 35% by breaking up Canada.

Carney is a stud.

Why don't you grab your ankles for him then you starry eyed homo?

Quote from: Shen Li on March 19, 2025, 09:55:09 PMAs I have said before, I believe Mark Carney will be the last elected PM under Canada's current borders. He will make things so bad with his climate obsession that  2 provinces will leave and the rest of the country will become like Argentina before Javier Millei.

I still have investments back in Canada, specifically Alberta. If the US makes Alberta an offer that includes a straight loonie to greenback I will vote yes to joining the US at the embassy here in Singapore.

For that reason, I am endorsing MC for PM. He will make my investments increase 35% by breaking up Canada.

What if there's a stock market & real estate crash soon, Shen Li Shen?

The economic experts left or right say we're due for one soon.

Then what? The value of your investments will plummet.

Quote from: Shen Li on March 19, 2025, 09:55:09 PMAs I have said before, I believe Mark Carney will be the last elected PM under Canada's current borders. He will make things so bad with his climate obsession that  2 provinces will leave and the rest of the country will become like Argentina before Javier Millei.

I still have investments back in Canada, specifically Alberta. If the US makes Alberta an offer that includes a straight loonie to greenback I will vote yes to joining the US at the embassy here in Singapore.

For that reason, I am endorsing MC for PM. He will make my investments increase 35% by breaking up Canada.

I admit that would be tempting for the average person on the prairies. Real estate prices in those two provinces would skyrocket as American capital and skilled labour flood those two new states.

But, Canada cannot survive the loss of two out of our four economic engines.

Quote from: DKG on March 20, 2025, 11:10:21 AMI admit that would be tempting for the average person on the prairies. Real estate prices in those two provinces would skyrocket as American capital and skilled labour flood those two new states.

But, Canada cannot survive the loss of two out of our four economic engines.

Is that an appeal to Shen Li's nationalistic pride?  :winking:

Mark Carney sent jobs at Brookfield from Canada to Mew York City six days after Trump announced tariffs on Canada. What credibility does he have to safeguard Canadian jobs.

Mark Conman has been Making America Great Again and will continue doing that as prime minister of Canada.
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Quote from: . on March 20, 2025, 12:20:09 PMIs that an appeal to Shen Li's nationalistic pride?  :winking:

:crampe:

Quote from: DKG on March 20, 2025, 11:10:21 AMI admit that would be tempting for the average person on the prairies. Real estate prices in those two provinces would skyrocket as American capital and skilled labour flood those two new states.

But, Canada cannot survive the loss of two out of our four economic engines.

That's your problem.

The Liberal Party of Canada doesn't change it's lies, only it's liars.

Quote from: Shen Li on March 20, 2025, 09:52:56 PMThe Liberal Party of Canada doesn't change it's lies, only it's liars.

That has been true for a long time now.

CETA should be completely ratified & Canada should increase its trade with Europe regardless of which party wins the next federal election.

Canada can no longer rely upon the United States as a reliable & politically stable trading partner.

At least the 2 major parties agree on that point.

Incidentally Trump lovers in this forum, among Canadian Conservatives, 60% of them have a negative view of the US President. Just 30% or so of  Canadian Conservatives have a favorable opinion of Donald Trump.

Yesterday, Alberta Premier Danielle Smith met Mark Carney in Edmonton at his request.

She laid it on the line, no apologies, and told him Alberta's fed up with a decade of Liberal disdain from Ottawa.

She handed him a list of demands, smart, tough, non negotiable that the next PM "must address within the first six months of their term to avoid an unprecedented national unity crisis."

Here it is:
• Full access for Alberta's oil and gas—north, east, west—no more roadblocks
• Repeal Bill C-69, the "no pipelines" sham 
• Lift the tanker ban on BC's coast 
• Kill the oil and gas emissions cap—a production cap in disguise 
• Dump the so called "Clean Electricity Regulations" 
• End the absurd single use plastics ban 
• Scrap the net zero car fantasy 
• Return oversight of the industrial carbon tax to the provinces 
• Stop Ottawa's gag order on our energy companies 
• No export tax or limits on Alberta's oil and gas to the U.S.—full stop 
• Fix the feds' bungling of Jasper and Banff after last year's wildfire.

She also made it clear that Alberta owns it's resources, and "we are not here to foot the bill for other provinces who can stand on their own.'

We all know Mark Conman aint reversing any of this. Our premier, Scott Moe has Smith's back on all these demands.

Goodbye Ottawa, hello Washington.

Quote from: Herman on March 21, 2025, 02:41:43 PMYesterday, Alberta Premier Danielle Smith met Mark Carney in Edmonton at his request.

She laid it on the line, no apologies, and told him Alberta's fed up with a decade of Liberal disdain from Ottawa.

She handed him a list of demands, smart, tough, non negotiable that the next PM "must address within the first six months of their term to avoid an unprecedented national unity crisis."

Here it is:
• Full access for Alberta's oil and gas—north, east, west—no more roadblocks
• Repeal Bill C-69, the "no pipelines" sham 
• Lift the tanker ban on BC's coast 
• Kill the oil and gas emissions cap—a production cap in disguise 
• Dump the so called "Clean Electricity Regulations" 
• End the absurd single use plastics ban 
• Scrap the net zero car fantasy 
• Return oversight of the industrial carbon tax to the provinces 
• Stop Ottawa's gag order on our energy companies 
• No export tax or limits on Alberta's oil and gas to the U.S.—full stop 
• Fix the feds' bungling of Jasper and Banff after last year's wildfire.

She also made it clear that Alberta owns it's resources, and "we are not here to foot the bill for other provinces who can stand on their own.'

We all know Mark Conman aint reversing any of this. Our premier, Scott Moe has Smith's back on all these demands.

Goodbye Ottawa, hello Washington.

Quote from: Herman on March 21, 2025, 02:41:43 PMYesterday, Alberta Premier Danielle Smith met Mark Carney in Edmonton at his request.

She laid it on the line, no apologies, and told him Alberta's fed up with a decade of Liberal disdain from Ottawa.

She handed him a list of demands, smart, tough, non negotiable that the next PM "must address within the first six months of their term to avoid an unprecedented national unity crisis."

Here it is:
• Full access for Alberta's oil and gas—north, east, west—no more roadblocks
• Repeal Bill C-69, the "no pipelines" sham 
• Lift the tanker ban on BC's coast 
• Kill the oil and gas emissions cap—a production cap in disguise 
• Dump the so called "Clean Electricity Regulations" 
• End the absurd single use plastics ban 
• Scrap the net zero car fantasy 
• Return oversight of the industrial carbon tax to the provinces 
• Stop Ottawa's gag order on our energy companies 
• No export tax or limits on Alberta's oil and gas to the U.S.—full stop 
• Fix the feds' bungling of Jasper and Banff after last year's wildfire.

She also made it clear that Alberta owns it's resources, and "we are not here to foot the bill for other provinces who can stand on their own.'

We all know Mark Conman aint reversing any of this. Our premier, Scott Moe has Smith's back on all these demands.

Goodbye Ottawa, hello Washington.

She is setting the boundaries from the start. That is good for her province, but bad for Canada. Mr Carney is unlikely to blink. He is too committed to the WEF agenda.

Quote from: Thiel on March 21, 2025, 03:50:27 PMShe is setting the boundaries from the start. That is good for her province, but bad for Canada. Mr Carney is unlikely to blink. He is too committed to the WEF agenda.

I see old Poilivere called Smith's demands reasonable. Because he is reasonable and wants national unity.

It's all over after Carney wins. All our investments in Canada will be in greenbacks. :yeahhh:

The emissions cap, Bills C-49 and C-69 are all staying under Carney.

The Canadian government's biggest source of revenue are energy exports. Mr Carney wants what pays the bills taxed, but Net Zero items which cost money subsidized.

That is a recipe for economic despair. It will also produce a national unity crisis that could see two provinces become American states.

Either way this shakes out, I get the feeling we are looking at another Venezuela in the making. Whether the carnival barker sees sense and underpins an economic recovery on the fossil fuels sector (which is unlikely) or doubles down on the WEF wet dream of ecologically sustainable unicorn farts, libtards will demand the government keeps writing cheques they can't cash.

Prepare for the loonie to crash and burn to the point the only affordable house will be a yurt in the tundra. And watch as the somalis and other diversity hires run rampant over the locals who will let it happen "because racism".

Quote from: filthy rotten bastard on March 23, 2025, 12:15:20 AMEither way this shakes out, I get the feeling we are looking at another Venezuela in the making. Whether the carnival barker sees sense and underpins an economic recovery on the fossil fuels sector (which is unlikely) or doubles down on the WEF wet dream of ecologically sustainable unicorn farts, libtards will demand the government keeps writing cheques they can't cash.

Prepare for the loonie to crash and burn to the point the only affordable house will be a yurt in the tundra. And watch as the somalis and other diversity hires run rampant over the locals who will let it happen "because racism".

That is eggs-ackly what has been happening in Canada for the last decade. It will accelerate under Mark Carney.

Quote from: Herman on March 21, 2025, 02:41:43 PMYesterday, Alberta Premier Danielle Smith met Mark Carney in Edmonton at his request.

She laid it on the line, no apologies, and told him Alberta's fed up with a decade of Liberal disdain from Ottawa.

She handed him a list of demands, smart, tough, non negotiable that the next PM "must address within the first six months of their term to avoid an unprecedented national unity crisis."

Here it is:
• Full access for Alberta's oil and gas—north, east, west—no more roadblocks
• Repeal Bill C-69, the "no pipelines" sham 
• Lift the tanker ban on BC's coast 
• Kill the oil and gas emissions cap—a production cap in disguise 
• Dump the so called "Clean Electricity Regulations" 
• End the absurd single use plastics ban 
• Scrap the net zero car fantasy 
• Return oversight of the industrial carbon tax to the provinces 
• Stop Ottawa's gag order on our energy companies 
• No export tax or limits on Alberta's oil and gas to the U.S.—full stop 
• Fix the feds' bungling of Jasper and Banff after last year's wildfire.

She also made it clear that Alberta owns it's resources, and "we are not here to foot the bill for other provinces who can stand on their own.'

We all know Mark Conman aint reversing any of this. Our premier, Scott Moe has Smith's back on all these demands.

Goodbye Ottawa, hello Washington.

I read Danielle Smith is demanding Mark Carney address all those points within 6 months "or else."

Let's see if she sticks to her guns on this. It would be refreshing if these demands were truly non-negotiable, even more so if there is a sting in the tail when they aren't met.

Trump has admitted he is trying to get Carney elected. It makes sense. Globalist progs like Carney value international partnerships over countries. He will be easy for Trump to manipulate and get a deal that benefits the US at the expense of Canadians.

Quote from: . on March 23, 2025, 02:51:04 AMLet's see if she sticks to her guns on this. It would be refreshing if these demands were truly non-negotiable, even more so if there is a sting in the tail when they aren't met.

That all depends on the mood of voters in her province. And what Trump offers too of course.

Mark Carney talks about finding new markets for Canadian commodities, but he will not even stop provinces like BC and Quebec from blocking critical infrastructure.

Indeed, as Trudeau's chief economic advisor, Carney has ensured that Northern Gateway, Energy East, a pipeline proposal to Hudson Bay from Alberta, and Eagle Spirit pipelines never made it to shovels in the ground. The Liberals with Carney's climate obsession advising Trudeau did nothing when they knew Biden would cancel the Northern Leg of KXL. They said there was n0o businessw case for LNG when Europeans and Asians wanted to invest in pipelines and export facilities.

Trudeau and Carney have made us dependent on one market where both gas and oil are heavily discounted. Now Carney has learned nothing by keeping the emissions cap that prevents more development of heavy oil and LNG that the world wants.

Unless Carney reversal of everything he has fought for all his life, this country is headed for a consititional crisis that will accompany an economic one.

 :s_laugh:
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I am voting for Avi Lewis. I have an Avi Lewis sign in my window. I support Avi.

Quote from: Proud Canadian on March 24, 2025, 06:49:36 PMI am voting for Avi Lewis. I have an Avi Lewis sign in my window. I support Avi.

He could not be much worse than Mark Carney.

Quote from: Herman on March 24, 2025, 03:01:58 PM:s_laugh:
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I'm going to the embassy to vote for MC. A vote for him is a vote for Alberta statehood and greenbacks instead of Canadian pesos.

Cucknadians should vote for Donald John Trump!

Quote from: Shen Li on March 24, 2025, 08:28:04 PMI'm going to the embassy to vote for MC. A vote for him is a vote for Alberta statehood and greenbacks instead of Canadian pesos.

You should Shen Li Shen.

Say, Jojo... do you enjoy getting rutted by moose in the tundra in between your tete a testicles with Thiel's endowment?

Quote from: Herman on March 24, 2025, 03:01:58 PM:s_laugh:
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He has been the real finance minister for the past five years. Attacks on the resource sector, inflation, national disunity, and unsustainable immigration will continue.

He refuses to talk with the Trump administration about reducing our tariffs to eliminate their tariffs until after he wins the election. This is the selfish candidate Canadians trust to defend their interests.

Quote from: DKG on March 25, 2025, 09:46:48 AMHe has been the real finance minister for the past five years. Attacks on the resource sector, inflation, national disunity, and unsustainable immigration will continue.

He refuses to talk with the Trump administration about reducing our tariffs to eliminate their tariffs until after he wins the election. This is the selfish candidate Canadians trust to defend their interests.

April 28 2026 folks will hate Conman as much as they did Justine.

Quote from: JOE on March 24, 2025, 11:17:30 PMYou should Shen Li Shen.

I will. Get the WEF traitor who's soldout Canada his entire life elected and watch as his Net Zero agenda splits the country. And my investments become dollarized. :yeahhh:

Quote from: Shen Li on March 25, 2025, 11:04:46 PMI will. Get the WEF traitor who's soldout Canada his entire life elected and watch as his Net Zero agenda splits the country. And my investments become dollarized. :yeahhh:

The only true 'dollar' these days is GOLD Shen Li Shen.

If you bought into it last year ya'd be up 50%.

Anyway many of yer fellow Singaporeans who seem to be mostly Chinese, are heavily invested inta Gold eh?

So if the dollar plummets so perhaps will yer investments Shen.

Quote from: Herman on March 25, 2025, 04:30:55 PMApril 28 2026 folks will hate Conman as much as they did Justine.

He is setting the stage for a national unity crisis on top of an economic one by the end of this year.

Vote for NDP. We'll whip this country back into shape.
 :thumbup2:

I am trying to get the most advantageous trade deal for Americans.

Mark Carney has soldout Canada throughout his entire career in global finance. The Conservative guy is Canada First.

That is why I am helping the Liberal win. He will be easier to get a better deal for Americans than the Conservative.

Mark Carney needs to drop the dismissive tone towards Alberta and its concerns or risk deepening Western alienation.

The pearl-clutching by his supporters any time Alberta Premier Danielle Smith comments on tariffs demonstrates a thin-skinned response by an overly defensive Liberal elite that has no clue and appears not to care about the West's perspective.

Smith was criticized recently for telling U.S. media outlet Breitbart that American President Donald Trump should back off on tariff talk while the Canadian election is on. This was interpreted as supporting foreign interference in our election. Smith's critics said she should have been telling Trump to back off on tariffs for good. 

Where have they been? Smith has been in Washington doing just that. And she was criticized for doing so. Her comments to Breitbart were the reverse of inviting foreign interference. Smith was telling U.S. politicians not to meddle in our vote.

You have to think the faux furore the Liberals are creating around her statements is meant as a smokescreen to hide the fact they're ignoring Smith's requests to lift barriers on the oil and gas industry that the Trudeau government put in place over the last 10 years.

Among other requests, Smith wants an end to the tanker ban off the B.C. coast, a repeal of federal legislation, Bill C-69, that limits new pipelines and oversight of the industrial carbon tax returned to the provinces.

We must stop crippling our economy from within, with policies such as Net Zero, that make it more difficult for Canada to be competitive.

It's important to remember that Ian Bremmer, the head of political consultancy company the Eurasia Group – also the employer of Carney's wife, his campaign manager Gerry Butts and his star Toronto candidate Evan Solomon – has said Ottawa will fold to Washington after the vote.

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Now it is Saskatchewan Premier Scott Moe who is setting up a showdown with Mark Carney. He is refusing to impose Carney's new industrial carbon tax on businesses in his province. :good:

Meanwhile, Mark Carney issued an alarming threat to slap an export tax on Alberta oil and gas, a reckless move that would cripple the province's economy.

Also, the PQ is looking like it will return to power in Quebec. Party leader Paul St-Pierre Plamondon reiterated on Sunday his pledge for a third referendum on independence should his party take power in the next election. Likely in 2027.

Mark Carney's term will be consumed with disunity.

Quote from: DKG on March 31, 2025, 07:03:59 AMAlso, the PQ is looking like it will return to power in Quebec. Party leader Paul St-Pierre Plamondon reiterated on Sunday his pledge for a third referendum on independence should his party take power in the next election. Likely in 2027.

They'll lose another referendum if they try again DKG DKG.

Quebeckers the days are more interested in self-preservation, not separation.

It wouldn't make any sense cuz then their province & culture would be even more vulnerable to being swallowed up by the United States than it is now.

Quote from: DKG on March 31, 2025, 07:03:59 AMNow it is Saskatchewan Premier Scott Moe who is setting up a showdown with Mark Carney. He is refusing to impose Carney's new industrial carbon tax on businesses in his province. :good:

Meanwhile, Mark Carney issued an alarming threat to slap an export tax on Alberta oil and gas, a reckless move that would cripple the province's economy.

Also, the PQ is looking like it will return to power in Quebec. Party leader Paul St-Pierre Plamondon reiterated on Sunday his pledge for a third referendum on independence should his party take power in the next election. Likely in 2027.

Mark Carney's term will be consumed with disunity.

Three provinces could leave. I will vote yes if Trump offers Saskatchewan a good deal and Moe puts it to a referendum. Why stay and let some globalist wanker bully us into poverty.

Quote from: Herman on March 31, 2025, 09:23:46 PMThree provinces could leave. I will vote yes if Trump offers Saskatchewan a good deal and Moe puts it to a referendum. Why stay and let some globalist wanker bully us into poverty.

I would not blame anyone who would. The Liberals do not share average Canadians' goal of liberty and prosperity anymore.

Mark Conman confirmed this week that his party will not repeal Bill C-69 if his party forms the next government.

It's been dubbed the "no more pipelines" law and challenged in both the Alberta Court of Appeal and the Supreme Court of Canada, both of which ruled it unconstitutional. The Alberta court called it "a constitutional Trojan Horse" and said it "tears apart the constitutional division of power." The Supreme Court of Canada agreed.

Carney is "thumbing his nose at the Constitution," said former Alberta premier and former federal cabinet minister Jason Kenney.

Alberta Premier Danielle Smith posted a dire warning on X: "Make no mistake. If this law stays, there will be few, if any, large-scale energy infrastructure projects built in this country and Alberta and Saskatchewan will be cut off from international markets. This means Canada will become more vulnerable to and overly dependent on the United States."

Reform Party founder Preston Manning said a vote for Mark Carney's Liberals is a vote for Western secession.

"The next prime minister of Canada, if it remains Mark Carney, would then be identified in the history books, tragically and needlessly, as the last prime minister of a united Canada," Manning said.

Mark Carney says Canadians, including Canadian companies, should pay their fair share of taxes.

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The problem is that the Liberal leader thinks that applies to you but not to him or the companies he helps run.

According to calculations done by the NDP, Mark Carney has helped Brookfield Asset Management – the company he was formerly chair of – avoid $5.3 billion in Canadian taxes since 2021.

It turns out that Carney setting up $25 billion worth of investment funds in Bermuda, a well-known tax haven, is just the tip of the iceberg. According to the NDP though, Brookfield only paid a third of that amount.

"Between 2021 and 2024, Brookfield's annual reports show they made $23.3 billion USD in income. At Canada's corporate tax rate of 26.4%, they should have paid $6.1 billion in taxes," the NDP said in a statement. "But they only paid $2 billion – leaving a tax gap of $4.1 billion USD or $5.3 billion CAD."

That's a staggering tax gap for a progressive politician who portrays himself as someone who is looking out for Canadians.

Saskatchewan too.
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Carney wants to make Canada an energy superpower with Net Zero. That means trampling on provincial jurisdiction and forcing them to get rid of cheap efficient energy sources like natural gas. That means no new resource development and of course our number one revenue earning export is landlocked and dependent on the US market.

This is why there will be a unity crisis under his watch.

This is part of Reform Party founder Preston Manning's op-ed on a vote for Mark Carnage is a vote for Western secession.

QuoteVoters, particularly in central and Atlantic Canada, need to recognize that a vote for the Carney Liberals is a vote for Western secession – a vote for the breakup of Canada as we know it. If you couldn't care less about the concerns or actions of Western Canada, then ignore this unsolicited advice. But understand that separation of the resources-based economic engine of Western Canada from what's left of the rest of Canada will have dire economic and social consequences for the latter.

The next prime minister of Canada, if it remains Mark Carney, would then be identified in the history books, tragically and needlessly, as the last prime minister of a united Canada.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-mark-carney-is-a-threat-to-national-unity/

This sign appears beside highway 2 near Bowden which is just South of Red Deer.
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Alberta would be so much better off if it left Canada.
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Quote from: Herman on April 14, 2025, 08:08:31 PMAlberta would be so much better off if it left Canada.
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I know that Canada holds back Alberta's potential. I would like to see the source though.

Quote from: Herman on April 14, 2025, 08:08:31 PMAlberta would be so much better off if it left Canada.
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I'm hearing more talk of Alberta leaving Canada recently.

Mark Carney says his government may not prioritize pipelines to deal with the U.S. trade war. The Liberal leader earlier said President Donald Trump's tariff threats provided an opening to develop Canada's energy resources, if socially acceptable.

On Sunday, Radio-Canada host Guy A. Lepage said that building a pipeline takes time, while the trade war is happening now. During the interview, Carney appeared less committed to building a pipeline immediately.

So, there you have it. Mark Carney does not see market diversification as a priority.

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Quote from: Thiel on April 16, 2025, 03:08:00 PMMark Carney says his government may not prioritize pipelines to deal with the U.S. trade war. The Liberal leader earlier said President Donald Trump's tariff threats provided an opening to develop Canada's energy resources, if socially acceptable.

On Sunday, Radio-Canada host Guy A. Lepage said that building a pipeline takes time, while the trade war is happening now. During the interview, Carney appeared less committed to building a pipeline immediately.

So, there you have it. Mark Carney does not see market diversification as a priority.

He's already said he's keeping True Dope's no more energy development bills. So there will be no pipeline proposals from any company.

Saw this poll on a pro Alberta independence channel on YouTube. With 3,500 people answering, nearly 70% would rather see Alberta join the US as a State or Territory & 5% think Alberta should stay in Canada.
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Quote from: Herman on April 22, 2025, 06:52:02 PMSaw this poll on a pro Alberta independence channel on YouTube. With 3,500 people answering, nearly 70% would rather see Alberta join the US as a State or Territory & 5% think Alberta should stay in Canada.
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Statehood makes a lot more sense than independence.

Quote from: Thiel on April 23, 2025, 01:40:44 PMStatehood makes a lot more sense than independence.

They cannot go it alone being a landlocked country.

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The choice is clear.
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Quote from: Edward on April 27, 2025, 03:19:20 PMThe choice is clear....

...trust the propagandists or use the brain God gave you for something other than accousic deadening, I agree.

Quote from: the media is the virus on April 27, 2025, 06:22:06 PM...trust the propagandists or use the brain God gave you for something other than accousic deadening, I agree.

You can vote for politicians just don't worship them.

Especially the ones you vote for.

Quote from: the media is the virus on April 27, 2025, 06:22:06 PM...trust the propagandists or use the brain God gave you for something other than accousic deadening, I agree.

Amen

I learned this lesson long ago. During my younger years I was on a quest for Godly wisdom. Now whether you believe in God or not I'm sure you will agree that with a total of nearly 800,000 words in total the bible lends itself quite effectively to being a final authority on pretty much any position that one with a bit of lyrical finesse and a desire to mislead would seek to fashion it.

With the right omissions and twisting of context you can literally make this book support any position on any matter you could possibly dream of

Now I happen to believe in God and believe this is no coincidence as anyone undertaking the position of arch rival to God will use as many tools as he can to mislead as many as he can. propping up imitations as he can to deceive as many as he can.

this is why I have long maintained that if one professes Christianity but has not read the bible in it's entirety for themselves is no christian at all.

and I follow this philosophy in every thing I do. I will never take ANY Media outlet's word on anything. Conservative outlets included. As I have witnessed them both twist and misconstrue the facts to ignite their bases. And it is no different as when a false religion does this with the words contained in the bible

Quote from: JOE on April 27, 2025, 06:25:30 PMYou can vote for politicians just don't worship them.

Especially the ones you vote for.

Phew. I will totally sleep better tonight knowing that your approval continues to rest with my ability to vote for politicians of my choosing

I dare not imagine a world where this is no longer the case 

Quote from: Biggie Smiles on April 27, 2025, 06:38:52 PMPhew. I will totally sleep better tonight knowing that your approval continues to rest with my ability to vote for politicians of my choosing

I dare not imagine a world where this is no longer the case 

Well I voted for Carney but he's just another politician, not a God Biggie Smiles Bigly.

I hope he knows what he's doing & leads Canada to a higher place. Until then I'll hold my breath to see what unfolds under his watch.

I hope I voted for the right candidate Bigly. But I often have doubts even the politicians I vote for.

I suspect a lotta crazy shit is about to happen over the next 4 or 5 years no matter who we vote for.

Quote from: JOE on April 27, 2025, 07:05:43 PMI hope he knows what he's doing & leads Canada to a higher place.

And you seriously think I'll take investment advice from you after hearing you say that?   :crampe:  :crampe:  :crampe:

Quote from: Oliver the Second on April 27, 2025, 07:42:42 PMAnd you seriously think I'll take investment advice from you after hearing you say that?   :crampe:  :crampe:  :crampe:

At best, I'm not sure if the other guy, the Conservative Pierre Poilievre, is any better.

They've both pledged to run substantial budget deficits for the next 4 years Oliver the Second llie.

Today's Conservative party aint like the Old - whose core principles included balanced budgets.

Both Conservatives & Liberals have stated this is necessary to re-build the Canadian economy, decrease economic dependence on the US and to counter the Trump tariffs. So while they differ they are similar in many respects.

But it is acknowledged already, even by the Liberal party that their deficits will be larger.

Quote from: JOE on April 27, 2025, 07:05:43 PMWell I voted for Carney but he's just another politician, not a God Biggie Smiles Bigly.

He's not a God you say JOEJ ? Are you certainly certain of this Joe J

what proof do you have that he is but a mere mortal JOEJ ?

Quote from: Biggie Smiles on April 27, 2025, 09:20:54 PMHe's not a God you say JOEJ ? Are you certainly certain of this Joe J

what proof do you have that he is but a mere mortal JOEJ ?

Well Unlike some of the MAGA supporters who worship Trump as a living God, I don't have that perception of Carney Biggie Smiles Bigly.

Carney is just another politician.

Have to wait 'n see how he performs.

Even if Carney gets in I'm sure Poilievre will be nipping at his heels.


Even in Opposition Poilievre is quite fierce, an Attack Dog if I've ever seen one.

Carney is relatively untested & hasn't face the fire yet.

He's still on his Honeymoon and the media has been on his side as well.

Canadian Prime Ministers differ from American Presidents because they have to face their Opposition in Question Period which can be quite brutal.

Quote from: JOE on April 27, 2025, 09:28:32 PMWell Unlike some of the MAGA supporters who worship Trump as a living God, I don't have that perception of Carney Biggie Smiles Bigly.

Carney is just another politician.

Have to wait 'n see how he performs.

Even if Carney gets in I'm sure Poilievre will be nipping at his heels.

Even in Opposition Poilievre is quite fierce, an Attack Dog if I've ever seen one.

Carney is relatively untested & hasn't face the fire yet.

He's still on his Honeymoon and the media has been on his side as well.

Canadian Prime Ministers differ from American Presidents because they have to face their Opposition in Question Period which can be quite brutal.

That's a cool story

but did you know that Admin. sucks cock? still ?

I would imagine support for Alberta leaving Canada rose today. Saskatchewan too.

Saskatchewan had 100 percent tariffs placed on certain agricultural exports by China and not a word about it from Mark Carney. Their premier was livid about Carney's indifference.

We'll have to see if they actually do anything about it.

Quote from: Lokmar on April 29, 2025, 02:17:40 PMWe'll have to see if they actually do anything about it.

I read this morning that Alberta's premier has warned that the status quo will not continue.

Albertans should give serious consideration to becoming an American state.

LOL. Not going to happen.

Quote from: The Donald on April 29, 2025, 03:50:15 PMAlbertans should give serious consideration to becoming an American state.

They already are. So are folks in Saskatchewan.

A huge Wexit rally is planned on the grounds of the Alberta legislature for Saturday. One is coming at the Saskatchewan legislature too.

Expect the Liberals to target our major industry (oil and gas) and our way of life with their "green" obsession and woke social agendas.

Are you still clinging to the hope that Prime Minister Carney and his government will build an East-West pipeline and promote expanded exports of Western oil and gas? Don't be naïve.

The Liberal platform talks about Canada becoming an "energy superpower," but it only ever mentions us being a superpower in "clean energy" and a "clean power grid." That means no more pipelines and no end to the Liberals crippling net-zero electricity mandate, carbon pricing, tanker ban and EV mandate.

On election day, I happened across an interview Carney gave to the Independent newspaper in London when he was governor of the Bank of England in 2014. In it, Carney argued that fossil fuels must remain in the ground. The "vast majority" must remain "unburned" for the good of the planet.

So, bye bye Alberta and Saskatchewan. Good luck to the rest of Canada with two of the bill paying provinces becoming part of the US.

That rag the Toronto Star is claiming Alberta is ungrateful the the Liberals who spent $34 billion to buy and expand the Trans Mountain pipeline to get more of Alberta's energy products to the West Coast for shipment overseas.

What a bunch of horseshit. It was Justine's government that made it impossible for Kinder Morgan to continue. We could have got the pipeline built without costing taxpayers a damn dollar, but Justine's Impact Assessment chased away KM.

Quote from: Herman on April 29, 2025, 04:54:22 PM...Carney argued that fossil fuels must remain in the ground. The "vast majority" must remain "unburned" for the good of the planet.

The "vast majority" eh? In other words, he plans on using "some" of it? I can't imagine that will sit too well with the lunatics of the green energons lobby, they want it ALL left in the ground and will scream blue bloody murder when it's not.

Looks like Canada just elected herself a prime mincer that will universally Fail to come through for ALL Canadians, instead of electing a PM that at lease stood a chance of satisfying SOME of them.

Premier Smith fired a shot across the bow. She is making the province ready for the inevitable exit of Alberta from Canada.

Prez Trump, make Albertans an offer. I will go to the embassy and vote yes to statehood.

To white libtard Canadians, you will get your wish. Alberta and it's "dirty oil" will no longer shame you while paying your bills.

If Alberta was an independent country or even a US state and Canada made an offer to join, does anyone think the people of Alberta would give their assent knowing what they do now.

Quote from: Shen Li on April 29, 2025, 11:05:38 PMIf Alberta was an independent country or even a US state and Canada made an offer to join, does anyone think the people of Alberta would give their assent knowing what they do now.

Not a chance. Then again I doubt the US would consider such an offer... and that ain't gonna happen unless it falls into globalist progtard hands again.

Quote from: . on April 30, 2025, 12:43:21 AMNot a chance. Then again I doubt the US would consider such an offer... and that ain't gonna happen unless it falls into globalist progtard hands again.

The status quo isn't an option anymore.

Now that they have a US prez sympathetic to their plight, let's see if he can sweeten the pot. Something even some of those libtards in Edmonton would vote yes to in a referendum that Danielle Smith just made a lot easier to achieve.

Quote from: Shen Li on April 30, 2025, 12:49:07 AMThe status quo isn't an option anymore.

Now that they have a US prez sympathetic to their plight, let's see if he can sweeten the pot. Something even some of those libtards in Edmonton would yes to in a referendum that Danielle Smith just made a lot easier to achieve.

He's a businessman by trade, Alberta has fossil fuel locked up in the oil sands. So far, so good.

Understand this from Donald Trump's perspective though. The US has already been a net energy exporter under his last presidency and it isn't as though he strictly needs Alberta's resources to return to that paradigm. The US has its own resources it might exploit.

Yes, having Alberta in the bag increases that pool, that I do not deny. But there is nothing stopping Albert and America negotiation a deal for the sale and transportation of said resources once Ottawa has been excised from the equation. Becoming a state necessarily subjugates and assures Alberta's future, remaining independent requires a favourable trade agreement. Either way, the US gets its cut. Trump doesn't need to come a-calling, Alberta needs to go to him and hammer out a deal. If the ruling class genuinely want to talk turkey and not merely have a convenient fall guy in Ottawa to blame the provinces woes on.

Quote from: . on April 30, 2025, 01:09:25 AMHe's a businessman by trade, Alberta has fossil fuel locked up in the oil sands. So far, so good.

Understand this from Donald Trump's perspective though. The US has already been a net energy exporter under his last presidency and it isn't as though he strictly needs Alberta's resources to return to that paradigm. The US has its own resources it might exploit.

Yes, having Alberta in the bag increases that pool, that I do not deny. But there is nothing stopping Albert and America negotiation a deal for the sale and transportation of said resources once Ottawa has been excised from the equation. Becoming a state necessarily subjugates and assures Alberta's future, remaining independent requires a favourable trade agreement. Either way, the US gets its cut. Trump doesn't need to come a-calling, Alberta needs to go to him and hammer out a deal. If the ruling class genuinely want to talk turkey and not merely have a convenient fall guy in Ottawa to blame the provinces woes on.

Becoming a state means they can use American currency, they do not need an armed forces and most of all NO EQUALIZATION MONEY for Quebec and the other freeloading provinces.

If they can get US dollar for CDN peso parity and no income tax like Alaska, I expect over 50% of voters in that province to say it was nice(not really) knowing you Canada.

Quote from: Shen Li on April 30, 2025, 01:19:48 AMBecoming a state means they can use American currency, they do not need an armed forces and most of all NO EQUALIZATION MONEY for Quebec and the other freeloading provinces.

If they can get US dollar for CDN peso parity and no income tax like Alaska, I expect over 50% of voters in that province to say it was nice(not really) knowing you Canada.

Heh, yeah a highly generous arrangement and one that's unlikely to happen now, isn't it? Why, with the exchange rate between the nations being like it is at present, a dollar for dollar exchange would be effectively increasing the worth of Albertans' wealth over one third. I imagine non Albertans would be scrambling to see how they might take advantage of such generosity, at the very least those with a passing understanding of economics... and the current 50 states would be almost universal in their condemnation of what is, on the face of it, a welfare handout for those residents of the former province. Shit, you'd likely see investors cashing out of US investment in droves, registering in Alberta and buying up big ahead of the exchange, leading to massive market instability and all that goes with.

So no, the deal would fall through on that condition alone. Trump isn't your average democrat, he's not going to fuck with the worth of Alberta to that extent. It would rank as one of the more grossly irresponsible financial arrangements any president has authored if he did.

And that's before he sends in the troops to protect the United States newest investment... for which he would be receiving not a single penny of income tax. I don't doubt that Albertans would jump at such an arrangement, it is a sweetheart deal for them one third richer, no income tax and a military upgrade into the bargain! And (accordingly) one that is highly unlikely to be tabled by the US. Alberta simply isn't that important to them... but it doesn't hurt to give the leftie media something to scream about by pretending that it is.

Albertans ought to be thinking of this more along the lines of how one acts when looking to secure a financial loan from a bank; namely proving they don't need the contract in order to secure it. The best way I can see to do that is to prepare to "go it alone" as it were. Shutter the borders and declare independence - there goes the euqaliztion blood money for starters. You raise the spectre of the need for an armed force; a "well regulated armed militia" in the style of what the US's founding fathers envisaged would be a start and certainly earn the respect of diehard 2A supporters to the south. Especially once you start enforcing your sovereignty at your borders, which will be another thing they will cheer. Stockpiling freshly liberated crude and making it known you were prepared to sell it to US interests (in whatever currency the province is prepared to adopt) would also go a long ways towards commending your inclusion in the US pantheon, as a territory at least, if not a fully fledged state.

That sort of thinking will get you a lot further towards statehood I think you'll find. Simply saying "we have oil" and sticking out your hand for "gimmedats" isn't enough. The US has oil too and it can get at it with a lot less heartache and effort than arbitrarily annexing Canadian territory. But I can see a path towards the goal, if not a genuine willingness at the provincial level to undertake it. If Alberta were to cease being Canadian territory and become a nation in its own right, I can see a shift from someone like Trump from merely saying "we'll annex Alberta" to get a rise out of politicians hostile to his administration in favour of genuine negotiations to make it a reality.

Just the way I see it, mind you. You want statehood? Prepare to think more like an American and make it happen. They will welcome you with open arms then.

...but be prepared to kiss the ring...either the US's or unlikely, Canada's. Being landlocked is a problem, even if limites access to the Hudson Bay is secured.

Joining Trump's America is like selling one's soul. With a 36 trillion national debt & $4.5 trillion in tax cuts promised over the next 10 years, it's little wonder Trump wants to swallow up Alberta & the resource rich areas of Canada. Without them how is America gonna pay for all its liabilities? And of course this Brave New World of AI/Robotics will require an abundance of natural resources that only a resource rich country such as  Canada can provide them with.

Alberta's GDP per capita would grow considerably if they joined the US. They would not need state income tax as the equalization money they send to other provinces would cover state operating expenses.

They would be free to develop their resources and grow their sovereign wealth fund like other oil rich US states, North Dakota and Alaska have. It would probably have a dividend for citizens over the age of eighteen.

Canada will not survive the loss of Alberta. Fitch Ratings has downgraded Canada's growth prospects since the election due to Carney's anti energy, and high debt agenda.

Many Americans are actually excited about the prospect of Alberta joining America.

Alberta would be much better off than in this current abusive, unproductive relationship with Canada. It didn't have to be this way, but it is looking like Canada is over.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OuTuiBfN_g

Quote from: Shen Li on April 29, 2025, 11:05:38 PMIf Alberta was an independent country or even a US state and Canada made an offer to join, does anyone think the people of Alberta would give their assent knowing what they do now.

Of course not. A bride does not knowingly choose an abusive husband.

Quote from: Shen Li on April 30, 2025, 01:19:48 AMBecoming a state means they can use American currency, they do not need an armed forces and most of all NO EQUALIZATION MONEY for Quebec and the other freeloading provinces.

If they can get US dollar for CDN peso parity and no income tax like Alaska, I expect over 50% of voters in that province to say it was nice(not really) knowing you Canada.

You were wrong about Poilievre winning the election and you are wrong about Alberta separating. You are wrong about a lot.

Quote from: JOE on April 30, 2025, 08:13:58 AMJoining Trump's America is like selling one's soul. With a 36 trillion national debt & $4.5 trillion in tax cuts promised over the next 10 years, it's little wonder Trump wants to swallow up Alberta & the resource rich areas of Canada. Without them how is America gonna pay for all its liabilities? And of course this Brave New World of AI/Robotics will require an abundance of natural resources that only a resource rich country such as  Canada can provide them with.

Bullshit. Feel free to get your hand off it for five minutes and explain to the class exactly what part of "net energy exporter" failed to process in your vacuum packed cranium.

The US's recoverable oil reserves are almost twice that of Alberta's, the US processes more crude through its refineries than it consumes and thanks to an arrangement with the Saudis (and in spite of Joe Biden's best efforts at torpedoing it), the "petrodollar" which supplanted the gold standard in the seventies effectively assures that all oil transactions be expressed in US dollars.

Alberta will always be the junior partner in any arrangement, they are landlocked and need the graces of either Canada or the US to get their oil to market. They may improve their standing by virtue of employing methods I have already furnished Shen Li with, but they will never eclipse the position the US enjoys, no matter how much pie-in-the-sky parochial wet dreams you wank yourself silly with.

The US is the one dealing from a position of strength, not Alberta. Get it right, mong.

Quote from: DKG on April 30, 2025, 10:01:45 AMCanada will not survive the loss of Alberta.

No shit. I imagine BC would get to shitting some pretty impressive bricks if Alberta's secession ever happened and the borders closed. The fuck are they gonna do? Reroute the Trans Canada Highway through the Northwest Territories?

In talking with colleagues, relatives and friends there seems to be a sense of inevitability that divorce is the only way forward now..

We're just going to keep living our lives no matter what happens.

The PQ is favoured to win the next election in Quebec. They are promising another independence referendum in 2027.

Quebec will not separate. They have a good deal in confederation at Western Canada's expense. The same cannot be said for Alberta and Saskatchewan. They are more likely to leave than Quebec is.

Either way, Mark Carney will be facing a unity crisis worse than Jean Chretien did in the 1990's.

The chug population in the prairies (your people) are six percent in Alberta and about 17 percent in Saskatchewan. They would not vote to separate. Trump would take your native rights away. It would be enough to make the difference. They won't seperate.

Quote from: Eggward on April 30, 2025, 12:02:55 PMThe chug population in the prairies (your people) are six percent in Alberta and about 17 percent in Saskatchewan. They would not vote to separate. Trump would take your native rights away. It would be enough to make the difference. They won't seperate.

Natives like everybody else will vote for their own interests. Natives would not have bills C-49 and C-69 blocking ownership and development of their resources. American Natives have no such bills blocking them from getting rich.

It was Justin Trudeau who took away Native rights to develop Spirit Eagle for example, not Donald Trump. So that argument is wishful thinking on the part of Eastern-Canadian leftists.

99 percent of natives in USA live in poverty. Only a few natives are getting rich. The native families in power keep all the wealth and don't share it with the rest of the tribes. Besides they are more worried about their water and hunting rights. Trump would pollute their water and take away their hunting and fishing rights. They would not vote to separate. They see the whole of Canada as theirs.

Quote from: Brent on April 30, 2025, 11:53:42 AMThe PQ is favoured to win the next election in Quebec. They are promising another independence referendum in 2027.

Quebec will not separate. They have a good deal in confederation at Western Canada's expense. The same cannot be said for Alberta and Saskatchewan. They are more likely to leave than Quebec is.

Either way, Mark Carney will be facing a unity crisis worse than Jean Chretien did in the 1990's.

Quebec has never been serious about independence. The average Quebec independence supporter believes they will still get wealth transfers from Canada if they separate.

Prairie separation supporters are dead serious about no links to Canada. And they have the economy to be very wealthy as a US territory or state.

Alberta has the highest GDP per capita in Canada at $71,564. North Dakota with much less oil and natural gas comes in at $94,021. On top of this North Dakota has no state income tax and a much larger sovereign wealth fund than Alberta.
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There can be no doubt that Alberta and Saskatchewan too will be much better off as American states than they currently are as Canadian provinces. This is what will determine if they exit Canada.

I should add that two of Canada's oil producing provinces leaving will help Mr Carney achieve his coveted Net Zero at any cost goal.

I'll move to Alberta tomorrow just to vote no in the referendum and move back after it is over.

Quote from: Eggward on April 30, 2025, 10:26:38 AMYou were wrong about Poilievre winning the election and you are wrong about Alberta separating. You are wrong about a lot.

According to an Edison Research exit poll, 65 percent of your fellow American Indians voted for me.

Quote from: The Donald on April 30, 2025, 01:56:35 PMAccording to an Edison Research exit poll, 65 percent of your fellow American Indians voted for me.

Eddie the Chug is one of them hand sanitizer addicted welfare Chugs. He don't care about prosperity the way some Chugs do.

Quote from: . on April 30, 2025, 03:39:17 AMHeh, yeah a highly generous arrangement and one that's unlikely to happen now, isn't it? Why, with the exchange rate between the nations being like it is at present, a dollar for dollar exchange would be effectively increasing the worth of Albertans' wealth over one third. I imagine non Albertans would be scrambling to see how they might take advantage of such generosity, at the very least those with a passing understanding of economics... and the current 50 states would be almost universal in their condemnation of what is, on the face of it, a welfare handout for those residents of the former province. Shit, you'd likely see investors cashing out of US investment in droves, registering in Alberta and buying up big ahead of the exchange, leading to massive market instability and all that goes with.

So no, the deal would fall through on that condition alone. Trump isn't your average democrat, he's not going to fuck with the worth of Alberta to that extent. It would rank as one of the more grossly irresponsible financial arrangements any president has authored if he did.

And that's before he sends in the troops to protect the United States newest investment... for which he would be receiving not a single penny of income tax. I don't doubt that Albertans would jump at such an arrangement, it is a sweetheart deal for them one third richer, no income tax and a military upgrade into the bargain! And (accordingly) one that is highly unlikely to be tabled by the US. Alberta simply isn't that important to them... but it doesn't hurt to give the leftie media something to scream about by pretending that it is.

Albertans ought to be thinking of this more along the lines of how one acts when looking to secure a financial loan from a bank; namely proving they don't need the contract in order to secure it. The best way I can see to do that is to prepare to "go it alone" as it were. Shutter the borders and declare independence - there goes the euqaliztion blood money for starters. You raise the spectre of the need for an armed force; a "well regulated armed militia" in the style of what the US's founding fathers envisaged would be a start and certainly earn the respect of diehard 2A supporters to the south. Especially once you start enforcing your sovereignty at your borders, which will be another thing they will cheer. Stockpiling freshly liberated crude and making it known you were prepared to sell it to US interests (in whatever currency the province is prepared to adopt) would also go a long ways towards commending your inclusion in the US pantheon, as a territory at least, if not a fully fledged state.

That sort of thinking will get you a lot further towards statehood I think you'll find. Simply saying "we have oil" and sticking out your hand for "gimmedats" isn't enough. The US has oil too and it can get at it with a lot less heartache and effort than arbitrarily annexing Canadian territory. But I can see a path towards the goal, if not a genuine willingness at the provincial level to undertake it. If Alberta were to cease being Canadian territory and become a nation in its own right, I can see a shift from someone like Trump from merely saying "we'll annex Alberta" to get a rise out of politicians hostile to his administration in favour of genuine negotiations to make it a reality.

Just the way I see it, mind you. You want statehood? Prepare to think more like an American and make it happen. They will welcome you with open arms then.

Too many damned words for my barrel wash soaked brain.

You aint a prairie fella, so I do not expect you to understand. This is about raising living standards to what resource rich jusrisdictions ought to be.

I live close to North Dakota and I go there a few times a year. They are a lot richer than Alberta and Saskatchewan. We want that shit. Hell, about seventy percent of folks in rural and small town Saskatchewan want out of Canada because they say it aint worth it anymore.

Some think we can go it alone with Alberta and others think the best way to get the wealthy life we deserve is by becoming a US state.

This is different than anything I have ever seen in my fifty seven years. Alberta in only twenty four hours has enough signatures to trigger a referendum question. And that is without a frickin leader of the Wexit movement.

The danger we have in both provinces is moving too fast. We have to get this organized in both provinces and find a leader to articulate our side. Build the movement, define what we wants and how we will get there. Define how the separation will take place. Present it all to members of Congress as well.

This is happening man. This is real.
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Quote from: DKG on April 30, 2025, 10:09:22 AMOf course not. A bride does not knowingly choose an abusive husband.

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I think old Oliver, Lokmar, the Professor, Dove, Biggie, Renegade and Stu would be happy to have a new combined Alberta/Saskatchewan state.
We could use it's historical name when they were one, North West Territory. If we get quick statehood, we could be called West Canada or Alberta since they have most of the population.

Old Herman isn't very bright. Farmers in the USA are suffering. The tariffs are killing them. Herman is already struggling with his hobby farm. If his province became a part of USA he would go bankrupt.

Buy stock in flag manufacturers, we're gonna need a whole bunch of new ones with 51 stars!

Quote from: Oliver the Second on April 30, 2025, 06:22:36 PMBuy stock in flag manufacturers, we're gonna need a whole bunch of new ones with 51 stars!

I hope so Ollie.

I just want to say I wonn't live in Alberta again or anywhere else in North America.

I want my investments in Alberta dollarized. I believe Prez Trump might make that part of his offer to Alberta.

Beyond that, becoming a US state just makes sense. Canada is a giant anchor tied to Alberta. Ottawa will not let my former province reach it's full potential the way Texas, Alaska and North Dakota are allowed to develop. A vote against becoming a US state is a vote against prosperity.

I don't favour Alberta and Saskatchewan becoming a landlocked indie republic unless it is a stepping stone to statehood. Canada will not work with an indie Alberta out of spite.

Maybe an Alberta and Saskatchewan free Canada can try to coax California, Oregon and Washington State to join Canada. Win win all around.

Quote from: Shen Li on April 30, 2025, 08:28:57 PMI just want to say I wonn't live in Alberta again or anywhere else in North America.

I want my investments in Alberta dollarized. I believe Prez Trump might make that part of his offer to Alberta.

Beyond that, becoming a US state just makes sense. Canada is a giant anchor tied to Alberta. Ottawa will not let my former province reach it's full potential the way Texas, Alaska and North Dakota are allowed to develop. A vote against becoming a US state is a vote against prosperity.

I don't favour Alberta and Saskatchewan becoming a landlocked indie republic unless it is a stepping stone to statehood. Canada will not work with an indie Alberta out of spite.

Maybe an Alberta and Saskatchewan free Canada can try to coax California, Oregon and Washington State to join Canada. Win win all around.

Trade Commiefornia for Alberta and Saskatchewan. That guarantees the presidency and congress never fall into democRAT hands again.

For Canada, it guarantees it's collapse.

Quote from: Herman on April 30, 2025, 03:53:38 PMToo many damned words for my barrel wash soaked brain.

Then I'll break it down into byte sized chunks for you. You deal with as much as you can in one sitting and come back for the rest at your leisure.

Quote from: Herman on April 30, 2025, 03:53:38 PMYou aint a prairie fella, so I do not expect you to understand.

I don't need to be a prairie fella, I have an ability to look at a situation and reduce it to its constituent components, making observations along the way and seeing how it works. Often I can draw comparisons between other examples and draw conclusions when I see similarities in prior examples. Not to be an ass about it, but my concentration span is such that I can worry away at a problem, sometimes for years to this end.

Quote from: Herman on April 30, 2025, 03:53:38 PMThis is about raising living standards to what resource rich jusrisdictions ought to be.

Agreed. And I do not dispute that for the longest time Ottawa has stood in the way of that happening for the prairies, nor do I anticipate them getting out of the way of progress towards that end. The solution (and I think we are both in agreement here) is that Ottawa needs to be removed from the equation.

I also believe you are well aware that such a solution is going to be a difficult undertaking. Your concentration span may not match mine, but you are certainly no dummy.

Quote from: Herman on April 30, 2025, 03:53:38 PMI live close to North Dakota and I go there a few times a year. They are a lot richer than Alberta and Saskatchewan. We want that shit. Hell, about seventy percent of folks in rural and small town Saskatchewan want out of Canada because they say it aint worth it anymore.

Some think we can go it alone with Alberta and others think the best way to get the wealthy life we deserve is by becoming a US state.

All of this I understand. I also understand that in order to become a US state, you must first secure your independence from Canada by referendum and that its outcome must necessarily be honoured by your elected officials, both at the provincial and federal levels.

Ottawa is unlikely to let its richest cash cows go easily. SK's and AB's mineral resources I imagine have been earmarked for China and at no profit for the citizenry. Ottawa (I lived there for 8 years) is corrupt as hell and very likely will buy off the necessary provincial politicians to stymie any referenda. You mention Wexit; I draw your attention to the UK's Brexit and the amount of bullshit the UK went through in the attempt to unshackle them from the EU.

I say "attempt" because effectively the UK's government is largely behaving at they were still part of the EU, especially in terms of immigration.

Quote from: Herman on April 30, 2025, 03:53:38 PMThis is different than anything I have ever seen in my fifty seven years. Alberta in only twenty four hours has enough signatures to trigger a referendum question. And that is without a frickin leader of the Wexit movement.

The danger we have in both provinces is moving too fast. We have to get this organized in both provinces and find a leader to articulate our side. Build the movement, define what we wants and how we will get there. Define how the separation will take place. Present it all to members of Congress as well.

You also have an even greater danger of moving too slowly. Part of the reason Ottawa is still treating you like shit is because they believe they can kick the can down the road long enough so that you run out of puff and/or they can undermine enough of your provincial executive so that your secession falls in a screaming heap as Quebec's did. Also, you have three and a half years before the loudest voice for your annexation (ie: Donald Trump) is no longer in office... and even less time for your annexation to take place in to give him ample bragging rights time. I hear you when you say you need time to get your own ducks in a row, but you are working against the clock.

With all of this said, I don't think you can do it. I understand that you want it to happen, I agree that it ought to happen, but you need to act a lot more quickly than you are prepared to in order to become a US state.

I want you to prove me wrong. Not in word, but in deed. Get your secession done and dusted ASAP, with or without Alberta and get yourself into a position where you can then decide if the US offer to join is both valid and a going concern. It will be hard to do, but I will be one of the millions cheering for you when your success is assured.

Quote from: Shen Li on April 30, 2025, 08:28:57 PMI don't favour Alberta and Saskatchewan becoming a landlocked indie republic unless it is a stepping stone to statehood. Canada will not work with an indie Alberta out of spite.

They aren't working with them now, so what's the difference?



...wait for it...waaait for it....



Ahh yeah, the blood money "equalization" payments become a thing of the past. w00t!

Quote from: Shen Li on April 30, 2025, 08:28:57 PMMaybe an Alberta and Saskatchewan free Canada can try to coax California, Oregon and Washington State to join Canada. Win win all around.

Better idea. It costs less to live in AB and SK than it does on Commiefornia, and a newly minted state(s) with unbridled opportunity in the energy sector will provide extra incentive for the "can-do" types to relocate.

Less people living in Commiefornia means less representation for Commiefornia in DC. Potentially more representation for Alberta and/or Saskatchewan in DC... if you're prepared to welcome a population increase and put them to work.

I can hear the REEEEEEEEEEEE from the left already.  :crampe:

Quote from: Herman on April 30, 2025, 11:57:27 PMTrade Commiefornia for Alberta and Saskatchewan. That guarantees the presidency and congress never fall into democRAT hands again.

For Canada, it guarantees it's collapse.

Nah man, keep that hellhole in the 50...51 (52?) and lure all its productive workers north. They do exist, just ask Erica.

That way you get to keep a warm water port on the west of the continent (useful for trade with East China (I'm sorry, "Taiwan") as well as a bigass turkeyshoot range for all the assholes who think they can hop the fence and start shitting out babies in return for a green card.

If you're gonna bail any states, fuck off hellholes like Oregon and Washington. Gets rid of most of the ANTIFA fags and Ottawa will sing their praises as new blood against the Nazis anyway.


THERE'S your "pure Win!"

Quote from: . on May 01, 2025, 12:24:03 AMThey aren't working with them now, so what's the difference?



...wait for it...waaait for it....



Ahh yeah, the blood money "equalization" payments become a thing of the past. w00t!

I am not really following what you are advocating for here? Status quo? An independent prairie republic? A new arrangement within Canada(which would be the hardest as it would require assent from seven provinces. It does not sound like becoming a US state though.

Quote from: Eggward on April 30, 2025, 01:08:30 PMI'll move to Alberta tomorrow just to vote no in the referendum and move back after it is over.

Which reservation in Alberta are you moving from and to.

More importantly, why do you care if Alberta leaves? I thought you sanitizer addicted welfare chugs hated people that do not vote for progtards who keep you chugs addicted to sanitizer and welfare.

If I lived in Alberta or Saskatchewan I would vote for independence and not to be an American state. The Democrats might control everything in 2028. They will flood Alberta and Saskatchewan with more illegal MS-13 criminals like Garcia.

I cannot believe how fast things are moving. We are already well over the threshold to trigger a referendum question in Alberta. They are talking about having it on the municipal election ballot in October.

Preston Manning has become the unofficial leader of the prairie independence movement. I am driving to Edmonton for a divorce Canada rally at their legislature. I am also helping to organize one in Regina.

We've already got about 600,000 votes in rural Alberta that we can count on referendum day. All we need after that is 250,000-300,000 urban votes for fifty percent plus one which would trigger a divorce settlement with Canada and Chugs at the table. The US would have a scrutineer there too to make sure it's new territory and eventual state is not getting screwed.

Great stuff & all true. Actual Federal land ownership (it is a non factor) & Chug ownership is very minimal which the USA would offer & offers their Chugs more sovereignty than Canada ever has.
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Regarding Mineral Rights, we currently do not have these in Canada,  but we should and Alberta and Saskatchewan will when we become part of the US.
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Saskatchewan will get a similar ballot question after Alberta.
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Quote from: Herman on April 30, 2025, 11:57:27 PMTrade Commiefornia for Alberta and Saskatchewan. That guarantees the presidency and congress never fall into democRAT hands again.

For Canada, it guarantees it's collapse.

White Canadian libtards want to keep Alberta in Canada just to abuse it. Just like any abusive spouse.

Quote from: Shen Li on May 01, 2025, 08:21:27 PMWhite Canadian libtards want to keep Alberta in Canada just to abuse it. Just like any abusive spouse.

Yep. Libtards are a sick bunch.

Quote from: DKG on May 01, 2025, 10:32:05 AMI am not really following what you are advocating for here? Status quo? An independent prairie republic? A new arrangement within Canada(which would be the hardest as it would require assent from seven provinces. It does not sound like becoming a US state though.

Independent prairie republic, either as an end goal or as a stepping stone to US statehood. Either outcome represents an improvement on Alberta's current situation, and you should not confuse my insistence on gaining independence as a necessary step towards that improvement as my somehow advocating against US statehood.

Read it again if you do, go on reading it repeatedly until you understand what I have actually said.

Quote from: . on May 02, 2025, 09:43:08 AMIndependent prairie republic, either as an end goal or as a stepping stone to US statehood. Either outcome represents an improvement on Alberta's current situation, and you should not confuse my insistence on gaining independence as a necessary step towards that improvement as my somehow advocating against US statehood.

Read it again if you do, go on reading it repeatedly until you understand what I have actually said.

Now I will state what I want to happen.

I want a federal government that treats all provinces equally. I want Ottawa to respect areas of provincial jurisdiction. I want Ottawa to be appreciative of the oversized contribution makes to confederation.

Since the Liberals are usually the governing federal party that is never going to happen. Screw the West, has always been how they govern save for the Chretien/Martin era.

Knowing that, I do not blame the prairie provinces if they leave this dysfunctional relationship with Canada. I wish them well either as independent country or as the newest US state.

Quote from: DKG on May 02, 2025, 10:37:03 AMI want a federal government that treats all provinces equally. I want Ottawa to respect areas of provincial jurisdiction. I want Ottawa to be appreciative of the oversized contribution makes to confederation.

That would be nice. Given that the WEF openly brags about its infiltration of your federal politics, it is also unlikely. Fully one third of your parliamentarians are subservient to the WEF and it is those interests they are representatives for.

If those interests are served by tossing (what by the WEF standards at least) a few crumbs to a few key areas that can marshal support for the status quo, then those efforts will get those crumbs.

I should point out that it is relative - those equalization payments Shen and I were talking about earlier.... they are onerous by yours and my standards. Not so by the WEF's, especially not if it keeps the majority of the Canadian electorate from rolling out the woodchippers on Wellington Street to "process" the WEF minions the average Canadian is incited to vote for.

Really, pretty much all of Canada needs to leave Canada. I don't see any other real way of getting out from under the pile of shit you find yourself in. The same holds true for other nations... England, Australia, New Zealand et al. The WEF does not play favourites when it comes to political parties - they have enough power and influence to install representatives for their interests in ALL parties, that way they are always assured of their cut, their eventual stranglehold on the globe.

Now, tying oneself to the US does seem like a good idea. Certainly in the short term it would appear to be, but the US is assuredly NOT going to be an attractive prospect forever. There will come a time when it finds itself being mismanaged at the expense of a disenfranchised and divided citizenry. Perhaps obliterated like so many other empires before it. Nothing lasts forever.

And it is for this reason that I leave the option of an independent prairie state on the table. If Alberta joined the US tomorrow, I feel comfortable that they will enjoy a vastly improved circumstance under the Trump administration... some three years plus change. Maybe Vance continues that, maybe he doesn't. Maybe at some point Alberta finds itself subjugate to another Joe Biden or Barabbus Obongo. It might be that shit happens in yours and my lifetime. Preparing for it on the offchance that it does would be prudent.

Being your own independent concern obviates any concern that some cabal of ratbag nation states is going to fuck you up like that. Indeed, it is exactly for those reasons that the US became its own self governing concern in the first place. England had them over a barrel, they told England to go fuck off and had a War to force the proposition. As I recall, Canada was on England's side in that exchange. My, how times change.

And being independent doesn't shield you from the emergence of ratbags in your own midst. Again, look at the US. They celebrated their freedom... 200 years on and they are effectively enslaved to the same oligarchic bullshit they fought a war to get out from under. The MAGA movement appears to be making some headway into rolling it back, but if you had any idea of the scope of the problems they face, you'd also realise their fight is necessarily generational. It took the US generations to get into the shit, jumping back out of it is not an overnight process.

And there is no "New World" to sail off to this time. I mean, fuck Elon's excursions to Mars for the wet dream that they are; if you aren't ready to fight a war for a few thousand square miles on this planet, don't even attempt to sell me on the idea that you are imbued with the pioneering spirit to fight nature itself for your "right to life" in a hostile environment, farming dirt and worrying where your next lungful of oxygen is coming from.

Redrawing political borders is possible, but it isn't easy. You can make it easier by recognizing your own capabilities and NOT pinning your hopes of someone else "coming through" for you in lieu of you doing for yourself. That's how the success stories of this world have invariably worked, but it is also true that once you start showing promise in any endeavour the queue starts to form of interested parties looking to get in on your success. As far as this applies to Alberta, she needs to aim for independence and when she starts showing promise in her actual success and IF the US is interested, her people may then consider shelving their dreams of independence in favour of being annexed by that nation.

Quote from: DKG on May 02, 2025, 10:37:03 AMI do not blame the prairie provinces if they leave this dysfunctional relationship with Canada. I wish them well either as independent country or as the newest US state.

Amen. I hear enough discontent and see more than enough reason to consider it well founded. I sincerely hope for their sake that they have the commitment to make it happen, because remediation at the federal level is sorely lacking.

Canadian born Stephen Crowder says US will welcome Alberta 'with open arms.'

"Do you want your free speech?" Crowder asked. "There's one way.
"Do you want to have something resembling second amendment rights? There's one way.

"Do you want to have control of your own energy industry? There's one way.
Do you want to stand in the face of communist tyranny? There's one way.
"Do you want your people to benefit economically and have a future that isn't stifled socially, culturally, economically across the board? There's one way."

1. Ottawa doesn't share Alberta's values.
2. Albertans would have more control over their own finances and prosperity.
3. Joining the US would allow Alberta to completely realize its energy potential.

There is the same level of support for separation here on the prairies as there is in Quebec. And look at how federal politicians snap into appeasement mode every time that province mentions sovereignty.

That means there is as much support for separation in Alberta and Saskatchewan without a movement, a leader or a specific issue as there is in Quebec where there has been a separatist movement for 60 years and where the provincial separatist party, the Parti Quebecois, is on the verge of once again forming government.

If we are as separatist as Quebec without even trying, the rest of the country would be wise not to dismiss the very real possibility that we are leaving Canada.

Some big news to pass on.

Our premier, Scott Moe has given his blessing to the Wexit movement if that is what a majority of folks in Saskatchewan want.

Also, a leave Canada movement is starting in Eastern BC. Just like the prairies are taking it in the ass from Ottawa, they are getting it from Vancouver and Vancouver Island progs as well.

They are welcome to join us.

It takes a lot of courage to leave an abusive relationship. Just like any woman leaving an abusive relationship, Alberta and Saskatchewan must do it to save her children.
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Ya gotta love our premier. This will piss off Conman Carney.
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Vote to join the USA. :yeahhh:  :good:  :drunk2:

It rather feels like a People's Front of Judea moment. Wake me when the immediate discussions have concluded and there's something actually going on.

QuoteThat would be nice. Given that the WEF openly brags about its infiltration of your federal politics, it is also unlikely. Fully one third of your parliamentarians are subservient to the WEF and it is those interests they are representatives for.

Yes, I know they have.

Canadian voters alone do not get to decide issues and who is elected.

On energy development, TIDES Foundation money, Middle Eastern money, and Russian money have thwarted Canada being a major global exporter. We know China interfered in at least two elections on behalf of the Liberals.

There are other examples, but you get the point. Trudeau was successful in creating the first post national state.

Quote from: DKG on May 03, 2025, 10:15:24 AMYes, I know they have.

Canadian voters alone do not get to decide issues and who is elected.

On energy development, TIDES Foundation money, Middle Eastern money, and Russian money have thwarted Canada being a major global exporter. We know China interfered in at least two elections on behalf of the Liberals.

There are other examples, but you get the point. Trudeau was successful in creating the first post national state.

Yeah, I get the point. Too many people don't though, they buy into the illusion they have any say in the matter whatsoever because of that retarded little ritual held every three or four years called an "election".

You know, the one where a bunch of carefully selected personas are offered up for us all to choose from. "Here are the people we have determined to be your champions... now choose". Let me ask you this; assuming you were inclined to try, do you honestly think for one moment that they would let the likes of you up on that stage?

The "they" wouldn't have a bar of you, at least not until they had satisfied themselves that you were going to do it in the manner which they themselves approved on. If you were honest enough to admit it, you would agree that this is NOT a function of a truly democratic society, since the idea of being free to choose who you want to represent you and to make decisions you agree with should include yourself in the pool of candidates. By the very fact that you are prevented from representing your own interests, you can see... right there.... not really a democracy now, is it? Someone else is dictating your choice for you, therefore you are not operating in a pure democracy.

I mention the World Economic Forum, the truth is they aren't the only player working against your interests, merely a more tangible example of a controlling and exploitive influence. There are others, they are the "ruling class" that give you the electoral system you and I pretend gives us any say in our affairs as the bad faith organisations and movements "duke it out" between themselves, exploiting and gamimg the system to their own advantage.

Generally speaking, when your resources are such that you might operate at a multiparty level, that is indeed what you will do; you will distribute your eggs of influence into as many baskets as you can. If you're smart (and you need to be both extremely smart as well as fortunate to get to that level), you will vary the flavour of the "eggs" your place in said "baskets" a little, but always in the general vicinity of the direction you want to direct the peons to go in.  They will happily oblige you in your pursuit then instead of screaming what a dictatorial cunt you are for the complete absence of any illusory choice, while you get to the real meat and potatoes of pillaging what resources you can from your actual peers - the people with similar power and influence that you have.

You may ally yourself with some against others, but you are always looking for an opportunity to take each others shit away. You do not get to play at that level by being "charitable" or "Mister Nice Guy"; you are there solely because everyone else can suck a fat dick for all you care. Your will is the will that be done and anyone that stands in your way it a problem that needs to be dealt with.

That's how this works. Anyone that tells you that Canada is a democracy is lying to you.

Oh, and if you're thinking that this is all conspiracy talk; strictly speaking and by the dictionary definition it kind of is, but that doesn't negate its validity one iota. If you doubt that, take a look at what happens to people like Guiffre and Epstein when they look like causing problems for the aforementioned movers and shakers... they were assuredly "dealt with" efficiently, no?

Canada's democracy is all bullshit. All we do is cast a vote affirming the elite's agenda.

Quote from: Herman on May 04, 2025, 01:45:14 AMCanada's democracy is all bullshit. All we do is cast a vote affirming the elite's agenda.

Prairie separation might be good for the rest of Canada too. As the country turns into a third world hole after the two provinces leave, the people in the rest of Canada who are not rich and who do work for a living will inevitably turn on the prog elite establishment.

I hold out hope that cucks will eventually get fed up and elect a Trump type.

Quote from: Lokmar on May 04, 2025, 01:35:34 PMI hold out hope that cucks will eventually get fed up and elect a Trump type.

Don't hold your breath.

It would be like California electing a populist like Ron Desantis as governor. Neither will ever happen.

Quote from: Lokmar on May 04, 2025, 01:35:34 PMI hold out hope that cucks will eventually get fed up and elect a Trump type.

It was largely because of Trump that Canada found itself with a liberal government. You might be familiar with the parochial rivalries between the two nations; well Poilievre was actually enjoying popularity which all but assured the conservatives victory... right up until the tariffs were put in place to force revised trade agreements. That's when they started to flip on the back of a bunch of scaremongering from the liberals, most notably in the eastern provinces.

The conservatives did see an upward swing of support over 2021, but at the end of the day it wasn't enough; the libtards also garnered an upswing of support too, much of it at the expense of the NDP (progtards) who have suffered a massive drop in popularity. Canada employs a "first past the post" system (which Trudeaup ran on a platform of removing in 2015) and with 200 of Canada's 343 electoral districts being located in Ontario and Quebec, pretty much whatever happens there drags the rest of the country along for the ride. Only Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba came out in support of a conservative government. Manitoba's distribution of numbers were the closest, however if they could be convinced to jump ship with Alberta and Saskatchewan, there would at the very least address the issue of the fledgeling nation being otherwise landlocked. @Herman could probably tell you how likely or unlikely such a flip would be; he's the closest geographically currently posting here and might be able to inform us on any public sentiment the Canadian media is letting go unreported.

A side note, I notice Australia's recent election seems to have fallen to libtard interests too. I was surprised to learn that actually, but it seems their conservative coalition (the senior party of which is called the Liberal party, go figure) fell victim to what I can only describe as pants-wetting terror that they might have been considered white supreme pizzas. While the lesser represented of the coalition's two parties barely lost a seat, the Liberal party got decimated... meaning four more years of Labour and its clown prince Anal running things into the ground.

The coalition is weak as piss though, and the guy heading it (Peter Dutton) a complete nerd. In fact he reminds me of Devin Townshend's Ziltoid the Omniscient (also a nerd). And yet, just like his Canadian counterpart, he was crushing it... right up to the point when Trump said "fuck this tariff imbalance shit, the US is getting screwed". Hey, I'm not blaming the guy, the US has been paying for the rest of the world to have a good time for how long now? And it's not like Canada's or Australia's press is in the habit of giving The Don honest representations of his effectiveness as a world leader. This is the result.

I suspect the US would be best to seek out new friends. Strong friends, ones that show true grit and a willingness to stand on their own two feet instead of whining for handouts. Javier Milei springs to mind. It is increasingly apparent to me her traditional allies are being brainwashed into rampant libtardism, possibly in an attempt to cancel the world's premier superpower and its peoples for the heinous crime of Wrongthink... for demanding the kinds of autonomy and self determination that your average globalist is haram. "Just do as we tell you, helpless victim; your government will provide you all that it deems you need."

QuoteManitoba's distribution of numbers were the closest, however if they could be convinced to jump ship with Alberta and Saskatchewan, there would at the very least address the issue of the fledgeling nation being otherwise landlocked. @Herman could probably tell you how likely or unlikely such a flip would be; he's the closest geographically currently posting here and might be able to inform us on any public sentiment the Canadian media is letting go unreported.

The Southern suburbs of Winnipeg down to the US border are prairie conservatives. There is widespread support for leaving Canada.

The rest of the province is NDP/Liberal. It's too bad because all of Manitoba would give us access to international waters.

The US will soon be bordering 2 third world countries.

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Quote from: Herman on May 05, 2025, 07:07:19 PMThe Southern suburbs of Winnipeg down to the US border are prairie conservatives. There is widespread support for leaving Canada.

The rest of the province is NDP/Liberal. It's too bad because all of Manitoba would give us access to international waters.

The NDP did lose a fair bit of support in the last election though. I assumed it was partly a function of NDP voters recognizing their party couldn't make the nut at the federal level and that they anticipated the liberals were about to be handed their asses too. That was certainly the sentiment in Ottawa around 2015, I know a few NDP supporters that dropped Angry Tommy to throw cast their vote for Trudeaup.

I'd be interested to see if buyers remorse shifts MB sentiment towards secession, particularly after Carnage's recent White House meeting with Trump. Guaranteed access to international waters would be teriffic, especially when it comes to oil exports, so having Manitoba on board would be ideal. But it's not a dealbreaker if you don't get it. I should think even in the absence of formal inclusion into the union you'd still be able to get some decent trade deals going with the US, far superior than the ones you currently enjoy with Canada at any rate... and being included in the US improves matters immeasurably.

Quote from: . on May 07, 2025, 04:37:38 AMThe NDP did lose a fair bit of support in the last election though. I assumed it was partly a function of NDP voters recognizing their party couldn't make the nut at the federal level and that they anticipated the liberals were about to be handed their asses too. That was certainly the sentiment in Ottawa around 2015, I know a few NDP supporters that dropped Angry Tommy to throw cast their vote for Trudeaup.

I'd be interested to see if buyers remorse shifts MB sentiment towards secession, particularly after Carnage's recent White House meeting with Trump. Guaranteed access to international waters would be teriffic, especially when it comes to oil exports, so having Manitoba on board would be ideal. But it's not a dealbreaker if you don't get it. I should think even in the absence of formal inclusion into the union you'd still be able to get some decent trade deals going with the US, far superior than the ones you currently enjoy with Canada at any rate... and being included in the US improves matters immeasurably.

The NDP collapsed across Canada. Their seven seats do not even give them official party status. The Green Party vote was down too.

That is terrible news for the Conservatives if Canada becomes a two party state with all the leftists under the Liberal tent. In a centre-left country like Canada, the corrupt Liberals are a permanent governing party.

Smith laid out exactly what Ottawa has done and why it can't continue.

✘ Pipelines blocked and major energy projects cancelled by Ottawa
✘ Carbon taxes and production caps driving investment out of Alberta
✘ Net-zero power mandates putting Alberta's grid at risk
✘ New federal rules and taxes punishing farmers and ranchers
✘ Interference in healthcare, child care, and other provincial services
✘ Courts ignored and the Constitution pushed aside

Premier Smith made one thing clear — Alberta didn't pick this fight, but we will finish it and come out of it stronger and more prosperous than ever.

ChatGPT estimates Albertans pay about $20 BILLION / year more to Ottawa than we get from Ottawa.   If Ottawa gave back that $20 Billion they take from us every year instead of transfers to Quebec, etc., then Alberta could cut personal tax rates to ZERO, with billions to spare!  This is like 9 US states (Texas, South Dakota, Wyoming, etc.) who do not have to subsidize the rest of a country.
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The NDP fell on it's own sword because of mismanagement & faulty party procedures. Its self evident that certain groups stacked the membership which allowed an unpopular leader to get elected.

They need massive reforms to ensure it doesn't happen again. Even their interim leader Don Davies would have been a better choice than Jagmeet Singh.

The NDP went from over 100 seats to less than 10 over the years. That's a 10 fold decrease in parliamentary representation.

Quote from: Herman on May 08, 2025, 03:55:44 PMChatGPT estimates Albertans pay about $20 BILLION / year more to Ottawa than we get from Ottawa.  If Ottawa gave back that $20 Billion they take from us every year instead of transfers to Quebec, etc., then Alberta could cut personal tax rates to ZERO, with billions to spare!  This is like 9 US states (Texas, South Dakota, Wyoming, etc.) who do not have to subsidize the rest of a country.
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Alberta could be the richest jurisdiction in the world if they leave Canada.

It doesn't matter if they became a US state or independent. Either option makes Albertans a lot richer and freer. Canada on the other hand would be desperately poor.

Quote from: DKG on May 07, 2025, 09:53:17 AMThe NDP collapsed across Canada. Their seven seats do not even give them official party status. The Green Party vote was down too.

That is terrible news for the Conservatives if Canada becomes a two party state with all the leftists under the Liberal tent. In a centre-left country like Canada, the corrupt Liberals are a permanent governing party.

The NDP were going after the middle class lefty vote in 2015, having abandoned their friendlier stance towards the welfare basket cases, so yes - they were dividing the boat then, And yes, it would appear they lost their quest to win over the middle class and lost their traditional base in the process. Aesop's "Dog With Two Bones" and all that.

The Greens... yeah... I'm not surprised they are losing ground. The tree hugging hippie movement of the 1960s has aged out and is getting down to the business of pushing up daisies at this point. Explains why they are shifting their focus towards neutering the human population in so many jurisdictions.

However, there is an upside to this you might have missed. Take a look at the US democrat party; they've already become the rallying point for an innumerable count of disparate activist movements, so much so that the level of internal bickering about policies to suit the various movements that at the last election there was only one thing they could all agree on; namely "orangeman bad". Anything else they might have shoehorned in as genuine policy ran the risk of offending enough of their voter base and they couldn't risk that. The Liberal Party in Canada will likely fall prey to similar political ennui if they subsume any more "fringe interests" and you will doubtless find more of the Canadian electorate voting conservative as a result.

You have to ask yourself if you want those people voting alongside you for your ridings. Knowing a good number of them are activistic crybabies, I'd suggest you wouldn't want them dragging the conservative party any further left than it is already, because the average conservative has demonstrated a willingness to "go along to get along" to the left. You need to get as loud as the left I suspect... louder even. Yeah, it's not something you want to do, but then neither is being forced to live as some filthy leftie commie animal either.

Quote from: Shen Li on May 08, 2025, 08:20:58 PMAlberta could be the richest jurisdiction in the world if they leave Canada.

It doesn't matter if they became a US state or independent. Either option makes Albertans a lot richer and freer. Canada on the other hand would be desperately poor.

If both prarie provinces exit, Canada will be begging the US to admit them. And if the democRATs control the White House and congress, they will make that happen.

Alberta's NDP are frickin sleazebags.
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Our premier, Scott Moe would make a good Republican governor of the new great state of Albertchewan.
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Quote from: Herman on May 09, 2025, 03:22:53 PMIf both prarie provinces exit, Canada will be begging the US to admit them. And if the democRATs control the White House and congress, they will make that happen.

Gawd help the US if they admit anything East of Manitoba.

Quote from: Shen Li on May 11, 2025, 01:32:47 AMGawd help the US if they admit anything East of Manitoba.

Saskatchewan has a Great Economy with plenty of job openings.

Trouble is, nobody wants to move there Shen Li Shen.

Saskatchewan is about the only place global warming seems to have forgotten. Its actually getting colder there.

Quote from: Shen Li on May 11, 2025, 01:32:47 AMGawd help the US if they admit anything East of Manitoba.

Canada will collapse without Alberta. That province has an oversized contribution to confederation. For Canada to continue another province will have to pick up the slack. BC would become the richest province, but their resource base is not enough to support buying seats in Quebec.

Canada would ask to be admitted to the US out of necessity. Most of Canada's economy is a basket case and they would be of no benefit to the US.

Politically, it would be good for the Dems and the admission of all of Canada would make that party a permanent governing one like the Grits are in Canada.

Quebec would almost certainly become an independent state out of cultural survival.

Alberta's frustration with a decade of Liberal-NDP policies that have cost the province over half a trillion dollars in investment and countless jobs by blocking pipelines, imposing production caps, and driving away global investment.

All of this while that province sends $20 billion to other provinces that bite the hand that feeds them.

An American state would have voted to leave long ago if Washington strangled them the way Ottawa has Alberta.

Let's talk about Justine's impact on Alberta's economy:
 • He forced the carbon tax on us.
 • He passed Bill C-69 — the "no pipelines bill" that scares off investment.
 • Bill C-48 — the tanker ban — targets Alberta oil while letting foreign oil tankers come and go in Eastern Canada.
 • He backed Bill C-59, another step in restricting resource development.
 • He killed Northern Gateway.
 • He praised the cancellation of Keystone XL.
 • He handed Quebec $10 billion for green hydrogen while blocking Alberta energy projects.
 • He pays Quebec equalization from Alberta's pocket — then calls us greedy.
Shall I go on? Because your buddy Trudeau has been sabotaging Alberta's economy for years — and pretending it's all in the name of progress.
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The frickin ignorance of Eastern Canadians. Give me Americans anyday than those assholes.

Alberta and Saskatchewan's land is not just resource rich. It is freedom rich. That is what scares Eastern progs.

Quote from: DKG on May 11, 2025, 10:10:03 AMAlberta's frustration with a decade of Liberal-NDP policies that have cost the province over half a trillion dollars in investment and countless jobs by blocking pipelines, imposing production caps, and driving away global investment.

All of this while that province sends $20 billion to other provinces that bite the hand that feeds them.

An American state would have voted to leave long ago if Washington strangled them the way Ottawa has Alberta.

The US doesn't rob from Peter to buy Paul's votes like Canada does. You don't see resource rich states getting fucked in the ass like Alberta and Saskatchewan do even when the Democrats are in power.

Quote from: Shen Li on May 12, 2025, 12:00:00 AMThe US doesn't rob from Peter to buy Paul's votes like Canada does. You don't see resource rich states getting fucked in the ass like Alberta and Saskatchewan do even when the Democrats are in power.

Equalization didn't change even when Harper was in power. To end it would be political suicide.

In the US, it doesn't matter which party is in the White House or congress. They do not throw smaller states under the bus wheels to secure votes in bigger ones as blatantly as Canada does.

It is insanity and a recipe for breaking up a country.

Quote from: Herman on May 11, 2025, 10:51:00 PMLet's talk about Justine's impact on Alberta's economy:

 • He praised the cancellation of Keystone XL.

Trudeau may have been incompetent on many issues, but he didn't praise the cancellation of Keystone XL hey Herman Herm.

That was entirely Biden's doing:

https://youtu.be/IXZ6ml0j5gY?si=en8xMvZ1wcv4JCWq

Trudeau wanted it but the left leaning Democrats in the US told Biden to cancel it.

First Scott Moe and now Danielle Smith.

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Ezra Levant said it well on X today:

I've been in Toronto for a while, but I'm still Albertan enough to think I understand what's going on. Let me translate for my fellow Easterners.

Remember how you felt when Donald Trump put tariffs on your prestige industries in a manner that seemed unfair and irrational? And rational or not, it hurt your economy and cost you jobs? And how do you feel, knowing that Trump is still vowing to move Canada's car and steel industries to the U.S.?

Remember how you felt that your own political autonomy and sovereignty was being challenged by the proposal to become a 51st state? That it felt like an "indecent proposal"? And even if it was just an empty taunt, it showed disrespect -- like if a stranger made a marriage proposal to someone who was already married?

Well, Ottawa has been doing that to Alberta for generations. And it's been rewarded election after election by Ontario and Quebec voters. If you rob Peter to pay Paul, you can count on the support of Paul.
Donald Trump has an excuse: his job is America First. Nothing else matters. What's Mark Carney's excuse? What's Canada's excuse?

Trump imposed tariffs on us, typically 10% or 25%. Ottawa blocked Alberta and Saskatchewan pipelines, banned tankers, required a "gender analysis" on new industrial projects, imposed a production cap and threatened to "transition" the industry (i.e., shut it down).
That's like a 100% tariff -- it's a veto.

Alberta and Saskatchewan voted for a grand total of three Liberal MPs. But Alberta and Saskatchewan are not the deciders. They're just the people who keep paying the bills for the whole country.

You're about to see something very interesting. In the last Quebec referendum, the entire Canadian establishment sent a message: we love you, please come back, we'll work it out within Canada. Quebec received countless political, economic and constitutional favours -- plus a lot of cash.
 
You might even say that Quebec separatism has been a sham for decades: it's just a good cop/bad cop way of fleecing Alberta. It's not serious. It's the permanent revolution. It's theatrical. What is more revealing than Bloc Québécois MPs collecting their Parliamentary pensions?

But watch for the opposite towards Alberta. There's a genuine hatred towards Alberta, and Alberta-ness. The only Albertans respected by the CBC are underminers, like Naheed Nenshi and Rachel Notley, who promised to destroy the industry from the inside. Albertans with Alberta-ness are shunned, demonized, mocked, attacked. Look at how the CBC has tried to destroy Danielle Smith. She was the only female premier in Canada for years; normally she'd be a CBC favourite on DEI grounds alone. But she's the "wrong" kind of woman, she's too Albertan, so they hate her and lie about her daily.

But buckle up now. Every national media company, every national corporation, every bank, every NGO, every "community activist" will be deployed to denigrate and smear Albertans who are just tired of Ottawa's war on the west.

Again, if you're from Toronto or Montreal and need help imagining things, picture Trump-style taxes, tariffs, and other economic warfare for 40 years -- going back to the National Energy Program of the 1980s, and even earlier.
All from your own country.
Albertan's aren't even angry. They're just done.

Friendly tip: if you're a politician or journalist using the same language you did with the trucker convoy ("you're racist"; "you're a fringe minority with unacceptable views"; "you're a crackpot"), you're not trying to persuade, you're demonstrating that you hate Alberta, or at least Alberta-ness, too.

It's an interesting Venn diagram: the people who called for a "Team Canada" approach and who promised to end internal trade barriers are the same ones denigrating Albertans who are asking for an end to Ottawa's sanctions. (And what is a pipeline ban, other than a non-tariff barrier?)

The Canadian establishment demonized Trump as a bully, an economic illiterate and an unreliable friend and ally. They are all of those things and worse towards Albertans. At least Trump kept telling Canada he "cherished" us, as he shook us down. Carney, Trudeau, Guilbeault -- they genuinely hate Alberta, and it shows.

The former leader of the opposition said it. Conman Carney will be the last prime minister of Canada.

Preston Manning made it clear that the biggest threat to Canada is not President Trump, it's Western dissatisfaction with Canada.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUpfmcliD3g

Quote from: Herman on May 12, 2025, 07:12:05 PMEzra Levant said it well on X today:

I've been in Toronto for a while, but I'm still Albertan enough to think I understand what's going on. Let me translate for my fellow Easterners.

Remember how you felt when Donald Trump put tariffs on your prestige industries in a manner that seemed unfair and irrational? And rational or not, it hurt your economy and cost you jobs? And how do you feel, knowing that Trump is still vowing to move Canada's car and steel industries to the U.S.?

Remember how you felt that your own political autonomy and sovereignty was being challenged by the proposal to become a 51st state? That it felt like an "indecent proposal"? And even if it was just an empty taunt, it showed disrespect -- like if a stranger made a marriage proposal to someone who was already married?

Well, Ottawa has been doing that to Alberta for generations. And it's been rewarded election after election by Ontario and Quebec voters. If you rob Peter to pay Paul, you can count on the support of Paul.
Donald Trump has an excuse: his job is America First. Nothing else matters. What's Mark Carney's excuse? What's Canada's excuse?

Trump imposed tariffs on us, typically 10% or 25%. Ottawa blocked Alberta and Saskatchewan pipelines, banned tankers, required a "gender analysis" on new industrial projects, imposed a production cap and threatened to "transition" the industry (i.e., shut it down).
That's like a 100% tariff -- it's a veto.

Alberta and Saskatchewan voted for a grand total of three Liberal MPs. But Alberta and Saskatchewan are not the deciders. They're just the people who keep paying the bills for the whole country.

You're about to see something very interesting. In the last Quebec referendum, the entire Canadian establishment sent a message: we love you, please come back, we'll work it out within Canada. Quebec received countless political, economic and constitutional favours -- plus a lot of cash.
 
You might even say that Quebec separatism has been a sham for decades: it's just a good cop/bad cop way of fleecing Alberta. It's not serious. It's the permanent revolution. It's theatrical. What is more revealing than Bloc Québécois MPs collecting their Parliamentary pensions?

But watch for the opposite towards Alberta. There's a genuine hatred towards Alberta, and Alberta-ness. The only Albertans respected by the CBC are underminers, like Naheed Nenshi and Rachel Notley, who promised to destroy the industry from the inside. Albertans with Alberta-ness are shunned, demonized, mocked, attacked. Look at how the CBC has tried to destroy Danielle Smith. She was the only female premier in Canada for years; normally she'd be a CBC favourite on DEI grounds alone. But she's the "wrong" kind of woman, she's too Albertan, so they hate her and lie about her daily.

But buckle up now. Every national media company, every national corporation, every bank, every NGO, every "community activist" will be deployed to denigrate and smear Albertans who are just tired of Ottawa's war on the west.

Again, if you're from Toronto or Montreal and need help imagining things, picture Trump-style taxes, tariffs, and other economic warfare for 40 years -- going back to the National Energy Program of the 1980s, and even earlier.
All from your own country.
Albertan's aren't even angry. They're just done.

Friendly tip: if you're a politician or journalist using the same language you did with the trucker convoy ("you're racist"; "you're a fringe minority with unacceptable views"; "you're a crackpot"), you're not trying to persuade, you're demonstrating that you hate Alberta, or at least Alberta-ness, too.

It's an interesting Venn diagram: the people who called for a "Team Canada" approach and who promised to end internal trade barriers are the same ones denigrating Albertans who are asking for an end to Ottawa's sanctions. (And what is a pipeline ban, other than a non-tariff barrier?)

The Canadian establishment demonized Trump as a bully, an economic illiterate and an unreliable friend and ally. They are all of those things and worse towards Albertans. At least Trump kept telling Canada he "cherished" us, as he shook us down. Carney, Trudeau, Guilbeault -- they genuinely hate Alberta, and it shows.

There is so much fucking hypocrisy in Canada. Your federal election did a lot more harm to Canadian prosperity than tariffs on aluminum and dairy products ffs.

A Nanos Research poll points to a generational divide. Younger Albertans are less likely than their parents or grandparents to believe being part of Canada would be better for Alberta's economy. Alberta is a young province, the youngest in Canada

Look at how the Canadian government is ignoring the Chinese tariffs affecting the Canola farmers in Saskatchewan and giving so much attention to the  American tariffs affecting the auto workers in Ontario.
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Eastern Canadian prog power and money are going to lie and defame us.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-hHLOJyFaE

Brampton has more representation in Conman Carney's cabinet that Alberta and Saskatchewan combined.

Quote from: Herman on May 14, 2025, 04:00:08 PMBrampton has more representation in Conman Carney's cabinet that Alberta and Saskatchewan combined.

Even if you do get representation from your province in cabinet, it will be some sycophant who supports Bills C-48 and C-69 which prevent the prarie provinces from reaching their potential.

Quote from: DKG on May 14, 2025, 07:13:09 PMEven if you do get representation from your province in cabinet, it will be some sycophant who supports Bills C-48 and C-69 which prevent the prarie provinces from reaching their potential.

I know that. They will bring Conman Carney's views to the prairies instead of the other way around.

The sooner we leave Canada the better off we prairie folks will be.
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Let's face it, as Ottawa holds back the country, only Alberta shines
'Busy as a beaver, no more. Thanks to ruinous Liberal economic policies, Canada is stagnating. Instead of all the anxiety about the dreadful economic fate facing Alberta should it leave Canada, perhaps Canadians should imagine the fate of Canada without Alberta.

By Western Standard Guest columnist
There are reasons why Alberta going it alone could be a walk down a potentially dangerous path. But thinking we'd be turning our backs on an economic powerhouse isn't among them.

That's because Canada is stagnating. But the rot rate grew deepest during the debacle of Justin Trudeau's decade of national governance. Years from now it'll be remembered the way the Dirty Thirties still are across the prairies.

But already a majority of Canadians know this in their bones. They feel it on every visit to the grocery store, or while wondering if they'll ever afford a new vehicle again.
It's toughest on our young people, who look at today's property market with something approaching horror. Unless they have especially rich and generous parents, any hope of eventually affording a home of their own looks increasingly forlorn.

It's only those fortunate older Canadians who feel any sense of security: those who've amassed a big chunk of home equity or paid off the mortgage entirely. They can relax and watch that assessed value ratchet ever upwards, although those annual big rate increases, courtesy of greedy civic governments, might curdle their Cheshire grins a tad.

Those same lucky folk were in their working prime when Canadian companies were much more competitive and could therefore offer defined benefit pension plans to employees. Nowadays such plans only exist for cossetted public sector workers and hens with teeth.

This age gap in wealth, security and future aspirations is why younger Canadians, along with recent immigrants, switched their votes to the Conservatives in the recent election. Those two demographic groups were once the Liberals' bread and butter, but when the future doesn't look as golden as promised, you act accordingly when marking a ballot.

However, those Canadians happy enough with the status quo and hoping to ride such security through a cosy retirement were left shell-shocked by the recent bullying tactics and ceaseless bombast of US President Donald Trump.

So, they turned tail on the Conservatives, while totally abandoning the NDP with its annoying blathering that only resonates when times are so good we can accept such moral indulgences. Thus the oldies voted Liberal.

Yep, they picked that most unlikely Captain Canada: global banking superstar, Mark Carney. (Superheroes don't usually have two additional passports in their back pocket in case things don't work out.)

As a result, Alberta's at the crossroads and a vote on separation seems inevitable by 2026. And no, it's not just some wild-eyed fringe players that support such a move.

According to a recent Angus Reid poll 36 per cent of Albertans either want to leave Canada, or are leaning that way. And those startling numbers come while Carney's still paying lip service about kick-starting industrial development across this country.

Of course he won't. Not when push comes to shove. There are too many noses in the national trough to allow diversion from our dreary economic route ahead. The debilitating status quo will continue.

Imagine the reaction among those Albertans still optimistic about the future, once it becomes painfully obvious the Grits' won't follow through on their pre-election chatter. And if those separation intentions subsequently hit the 40 per cent mark things will get mighty interesting in one hell of a hurry, as talk of this being nothing but a fringe movement unravels.

So, just how weak is Canada's economic performance? How about 'dreadful?' It was sickly even before Trudeau arrived, but he took mismanagement to a whole new level of absurdity: far more concerned with personal pronouns than productivity.

For example, between 2014 and 2023, our national per capita GDP grew by a miserly 1.9 per cent in real terms, by far the worst performer among the G7 group of countries.

Meanwhile the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development estimates by the end of this decade Canada will suffer the lowest GDP growth of the leading 32 global economies.

Yet the Liberals want to curtail our energy industry, which is easily the best performing sector of the economy. Imagine how woeful those stats would read if oil and gas exports were removed from the GDP ledger.

Maybe today's fear merchants, endlessly screeching about the dreadful economic fate facing Alberta outside of Canada, should instead imagine the fate of Canada without Alberta. Ouch.

An interesting analogy from Alberta's Premier. She's probably not far off.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/dDHDRmfOy2E