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kiebers

February 10, 2018, 08:24:37 PM
Sheriff orders the killing of an unarmed man. Hope he winds up hanging for this. Looks like all the reckless driving was caused by the sheriffs department trying to knock him off the road. Guy was only driving 50mph. They could have just followed him. No reason to risk the man's or deputies lives.



https://www.cbsnews.com/live/video/20180210113014-sheriff-recorded-boasting-after-giving-orders-to-kill-unarmed-man-during-slow-speed-chase/">https://www.cbsnews.com/live/video/2018 ... eed-chase/">https://www.cbsnews.com/live/video/20180210113014-sheriff-recorded-boasting-after-giving-orders-to-kill-unarmed-man-during-slow-speed-chase/
I've learned that if someone asks you a really stupid question and you reply by telling them what time it is, they'll leave you alone

Wazzzup

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February 10, 2018, 09:23:14 PM Last Edit: February 10, 2018, 09:41:33 PM by Wazzzup
Quote from: "kiebers"Sheriff orders the killing of an unarmed man. Hope he winds up hanging for this. Looks like all the reckless driving was caused by the sheriffs department trying to knock him off the road. Guy was only driving 50mph. They could have just followed him. No reason to risk the man's or deputies lives.



https://www.cbsnews.com/live/video/20180210113014-sheriff-recorded-boasting-after-giving-orders-to-kill-unarmed-man-during-slow-speed-chase/">https://www.cbsnews.com/live/video/2018 ... eed-chase/">https://www.cbsnews.com/live/video/20180210113014-sheriff-recorded-boasting-after-giving-orders-to-kill-unarmed-man-during-slow-speed-chase/


As I understand  (in most states) deadly force is only allowed against someone fleeing if they are serious threat to the lives of others.  Like someone wanted for murder or someone who just shot up a bank.--that kind of thing.  Not just driving recklessly.  I believe they were probably within their right to force him off the road.  But shooting to kill the driver (as opposed to taking out the tires) is no good.  they're lucky they are only being sued,.  they should be up for manslaughter.



Now I'm waiting for the Dinky explosion.  3..2..1 :laugh:

kiebers

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February 10, 2018, 09:29:22 PM
:laugh:  :laugh:
I've learned that if someone asks you a really stupid question and you reply by telling them what time it is, they'll leave you alone

Angry White Male

#3
February 10, 2018, 10:55:42 PM
Quote from: "Wazzzup"As I understand  (in most states) deadly force is only allowed against someone fleeing if they are serious threat to the lives of others.

I believe this applies to all States.  Tennessee v. Garner:


QuoteLaw enforcement officers pursuing an unarmed suspect may use deadly force to prevent escape only if the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others.

Angry White Male

#4
February 10, 2018, 11:04:59 PM
However, in the Garner case, the suspect was unarmed and in the process of climbing a fence to run away.  He was shot in the back of the head, which was permitted until that case reached all the way up to the Supreme Court.



The problem with chases involving motor vehicles, is that a motor vehicle could be viewed as a deadly weapon, depending on how recklessly it's being operated.

kiebers

#5
February 10, 2018, 11:27:10 PM
Only reckless driving I saw was caused by the sheriffs cars ramming his trailer or truck. They could have shot out the tires or used the strip. Could have followed him till he ran out of fuel or pulled over. No law enforcement officer should ever be that excited about killing or ordering a killing of a person. No doubt that if the guy had just pulled over he would be alive but still....
I've learned that if someone asks you a really stupid question and you reply by telling them what time it is, they'll leave you alone

Angry White Male

#6
February 10, 2018, 11:31:44 PM
I have watched many US police chases, and it's fairly rare for them to shoot the driver if he is unarmed.  Usually that only happens when they box him in, and the suspect accelerates and tries to hit an officer that is out of his vehicle on foot.



But ya, what the hell was the suspect thinking?  Getting caught driving with a suspended licence isn't the end of the world...  Did he think he could outrun the cops in a shitty old Chevrolet pickup truck towing a trailer?

Angry White Male

#7
February 10, 2018, 11:40:09 PM
I had a buddy here that got caught driving while prohibited.  In BC, for first offense, here's what they can give:  $500-$2,000 fine, plus up to six months in prison.



He got a $500 fine, and no prison term at all.  So, it's really not worth it to run.

Wazzzup

#8
February 11, 2018, 12:45:11 PM
Quote from: "Angry White Male"
Quote from: "Wazzzup"As I understand  (in most states) deadly force is only allowed against someone fleeing if they are serious threat to the lives of others.

I believe this applies to all States.  Tennessee v. Garner:


QuoteLaw enforcement officers pursuing an unarmed suspect may use deadly force to prevent escape only if the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others.


Thank you, I had the rule remembered right, just not the source.   Reckless driving could cause a death, but chances are there are other court cases saying you can only shoot a person using their vehicle as a weapon.



 these cops should know when they can and can't shoot or order someone to shoot.  I don't know why they weren't charged with manslaughter, er I mean personslaughter (sorry Justin)



Rodney king got his ass beat after he stopped the car, tried to punch a cop and resisted.  Compare that to this.

Anonymous

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February 11, 2018, 12:48:39 PM
Quote from: "kiebers"Sheriff orders the killing of an unarmed man. Hope he winds up hanging for this. Looks like all the reckless driving was caused by the sheriffs department trying to knock him off the road. Guy was only driving 50mph. They could have just followed him. No reason to risk the man's or deputies lives.



https://www.cbsnews.com/live/video/20180210113014-sheriff-recorded-boasting-after-giving-orders-to-kill-unarmed-man-during-slow-speed-chase/">https://www.cbsnews.com/live/video/2018 ... eed-chase/">https://www.cbsnews.com/live/video/20180210113014-sheriff-recorded-boasting-after-giving-orders-to-kill-unarmed-man-during-slow-speed-chase/

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Angry White Male

#10
February 12, 2018, 04:47:41 AM
It's a tough call.



Do I like to see people shot dead?  No.



However, I am blind to race, and as such this White piece of trash deserved what he got, just as the useless Negroes get also.



These are not people that will ever be contributing members of society.  They are nothing but a burden.



The solution is simple...  When you are pulled over, just pull over!  Problem solved!

Wazzzup

#11
February 13, 2018, 02:01:48 PM
According to this,  some important info was left out by the media

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/brad-wilmouth/2018/02/13/nets-omit-criminal-actions-suspect-shot-police">https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/br ... hot-police">https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/brad-wilmouth/2018/02/13/nets-omit-criminal-actions-suspect-shot-police


QuoteReporters on both CBS and CNN also downplayed the pursuit as a "low-speed chase" in spite of reports that he had driven as quickly as 75 mph at some point. But there were even more critical pieces of information that the reporters failed to include in their coverage.



According to a report on the incident, Dial had driven very recklessly during the pursuit as he passed other vehicles on double yellow lines, drove into oncoming traffic, and forced vehicles off the road. Additionally, two police cars were "totaled" as they collided with him, injuring sending three deputies to the hospital with injuries.



In the audio of Sheriff Shoupe discussing the event after it was over, between seven and eight minutes into the recording, he can be heard recounting that three injured deputies, at least one of whom was bleeding. He also recalled that the driver had spent time in prison and had been involved with methamphetamines, as he believed that Mr. Dial's aggressive behavior indicated he "meant to kill somebody."



It has also been reported that an autopsy found methamphetamines in Dial's body after the crash.



Additionally, part of the reason they were chasing him was because he was displaying license plates for the wrong vehicle on his truck, which is typically treated as a serious matter by police because it can mean a vehicle is stolen.

Anonymous

#12
February 13, 2018, 04:25:48 PM
Quote from: "Wazzzup"According to this,  some important info was left out by the media

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/brad-wilmouth/2018/02/13/nets-omit-criminal-actions-suspect-shot-police">https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/br ... hot-police">https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/brad-wilmouth/2018/02/13/nets-omit-criminal-actions-suspect-shot-police


QuoteReporters on both CBS and CNN also downplayed the pursuit as a "low-speed chase" in spite of reports that he had driven as quickly as 75 mph at some point. But there were even more critical pieces of information that the reporters failed to include in their coverage.



According to a report on the incident, Dial had driven very recklessly during the pursuit as he passed other vehicles on double yellow lines, drove into oncoming traffic, and forced vehicles off the road. Additionally, two police cars were "totaled" as they collided with him, injuring sending three deputies to the hospital with injuries.



In the audio of Sheriff Shoupe discussing the event after it was over, between seven and eight minutes into the recording, he can be heard recounting that three injured deputies, at least one of whom was bleeding. He also recalled that the driver had spent time in prison and had been involved with methamphetamines, as he believed that Mr. Dial's aggressive behavior indicated he "meant to kill somebody."



It has also been reported that an autopsy found methamphetamines in Dial's body after the crash.



Additionally, part of the reason they were chasing him was because he was displaying license plates for the wrong vehicle on his truck, which is typically treated as a serious matter by police because it can mean a vehicle is stolen.

I'm not familiar with this case. Unless it involves a black male and a white officer, it's not news.

kiebers

#13
February 13, 2018, 05:52:06 PM
Quote from: "Wazzzup"According to this,  some important info was left out by the media

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/brad-wilmouth/2018/02/13/nets-omit-criminal-actions-suspect-shot-police">https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/br ... hot-police">https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/brad-wilmouth/2018/02/13/nets-omit-criminal-actions-suspect-shot-police


QuoteReporters on both CBS and CNN also downplayed the pursuit as a "low-speed chase" in spite of reports that he had driven as quickly as 75 mph at some point. But there were even more critical pieces of information that the reporters failed to include in their coverage.



According to a report on the incident, Dial had driven very recklessly during the pursuit as he passed other vehicles on double yellow lines, drove into oncoming traffic, and forced vehicles off the road. Additionally, two police cars were "totaled" as they collided with him, injuring sending three deputies to the hospital with injuries.



In the audio of Sheriff Shoupe discussing the event after it was over, between seven and eight minutes into the recording, he can be heard recounting that three injured deputies, at least one of whom was bleeding. He also recalled that the driver had spent time in prison and had been involved with methamphetamines, as he believed that Mr. Dial's aggressive behavior indicated he "meant to kill somebody."



It has also been reported that an autopsy found methamphetamines in Dial's body after the crash.



Additionally, part of the reason they were chasing him was because he was displaying license plates for the wrong vehicle on his truck, which is typically treated as a serious matter by police because it can mean a vehicle is stolen.

Figures the networks do this. I do still have an issue with the sheriff being almost orgasmic talking about how much he loves this shit.
I've learned that if someone asks you a really stupid question and you reply by telling them what time it is, they'll leave you alone

Wazzzup

#14
February 13, 2018, 07:09:10 PM
Quote from: "kiebers"
Quote from: "Wazzzup"According to this,  some important info was left out by the media

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/brad-wilmouth/2018/02/13/nets-omit-criminal-actions-suspect-shot-police">https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/br ... hot-police">https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/brad-wilmouth/2018/02/13/nets-omit-criminal-actions-suspect-shot-police


QuoteReporters on both CBS and CNN also downplayed the pursuit as a "low-speed chase" in spite of reports that he had driven as quickly as 75 mph at some point. But there were even more critical pieces of information that the reporters failed to include in their coverage.



According to a report on the incident, Dial had driven very recklessly during the pursuit as he passed other vehicles on double yellow lines, drove into oncoming traffic, and forced vehicles off the road. Additionally, two police cars were "totaled" as they collided with him, injuring sending three deputies to the hospital with injuries.



In the audio of Sheriff Shoupe discussing the event after it was over, between seven and eight minutes into the recording, he can be heard recounting that three injured deputies, at least one of whom was bleeding. He also recalled that the driver had spent time in prison and had been involved with methamphetamines, as he believed that Mr. Dial's aggressive behavior indicated he "meant to kill somebody."



It has also been reported that an autopsy found methamphetamines in Dial's body after the crash.



Additionally, part of the reason they were chasing him was because he was displaying license plates for the wrong vehicle on his truck, which is typically treated as a serious matter by police because it can mean a vehicle is stolen.

Figures the networks do this. I do still have an issue with the sheriff being almost orgasmic talking about how much he loves this shit.


Agreed.  The media sucks, but I don't think it vadlidates what was done.  Shooting into the truck multiple times with purpose to kill, and ordering that shot was IMO illegal, and while not criminal per se, no one should be happy about shooting someone, and saying how fun it was.
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