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#45
November 15, 2021, 10:07:43 PM
Both are parties are close on most issues. There is a bit of "left vs right" on some issues such as immigration and climate change, but the distinction is small.

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#46
November 16, 2021, 05:30:30 AM
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=427326 time=1637032063 user_id=1560
Both are parties are close on most issues. There is a bit of "left vs right" on some issues such as immigration and climate change, but the distinction is small.

I look at India and Italy. They offer voters a real political spectrum. If we can't have political choice, we need more citizen initiatives. That won't happen though.

Bricktop

#47
November 16, 2021, 03:54:53 PM
It won't happen as long as we sustain the dead system of representative government. Electing some ideological flunky who wants to be king or queen for their own fulfilment is an absurd means of managing our society.



The circumstances that led to electing a representative to speak for us in government deliberations are buried deep in the medieval past.



We can do better. We have the means to express our views directly to the government without mealy-mouthed middlemen and women distorting our views with their own.



We need the courage to make changes. Those who benefit from apathy and an anachronastic system won't hand back the reins willingly.

Anonymous

#48
November 16, 2021, 06:18:35 PM
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=427344 time=1637096093 user_id=1560
It won't happen as long as we sustain the dead system of representative government. Electing some ideological flunky who wants to be king or queen for their own fulfilment is an absurd means of managing our society.



The circumstances that led to electing a representative to speak for us in government deliberations are buried deep in the medieval past.



We can do better. We have the means to express our views directly to the government without mealy-mouthed middlemen and women distorting our views with their own.



We need the courage to make changes. Those who benefit from apathy and an anachronastic system won't hand back the reins willingly.

I think direct democracy..



Taiwan uses that more than Canada.

Anonymous

#49
November 16, 2021, 06:21:41 PM
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Quote from: Bricktop post_id=427344 time=1637096093 user_id=1560
It won't happen as long as we sustain the dead system of representative government. Electing some ideological flunky who wants to be king or queen for their own fulfilment is an absurd means of managing our society.



The circumstances that led to electing a representative to speak for us in government deliberations are buried deep in the medieval past.



We can do better. We have the means to express our views directly to the government without mealy-mouthed middlemen and women distorting our views with their own.



We need the courage to make changes. Those who benefit from apathy and an anachronastic system won't hand back the reins willingly.

I think direct democracy..



Taiwan uses that more than Canada.

It aint happening here. Ottawa doesn't trust citizens.

Bricktop

#50
November 16, 2021, 09:11:18 PM
No government will willingly yield their power back to the people.



But until we are willing to work as a single community with fairness and justice distributed equally we probably don't deserve it.



When I say fairness and justice, I mean for ALL, not shrieking minorities.

Frood

#51
November 16, 2021, 10:14:30 PM
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=427344 time=1637096093 user_id=1560
It won't happen as long as we sustain the dead system of representative government. Electing some ideological flunky who wants to be king or queen for their own fulfilment is an absurd means of managing our society.



The circumstances that led to electing a representative to speak for us in government deliberations are buried deep in the medieval past.



We can do better. We have the means to express our views directly to the government without mealy-mouthed middlemen and women distorting our views with their own.



We need the courage to make changes. Those who benefit from apathy and an anachronastic system won't hand back the reins willingly.


The checks and balances were there in all Western societies, but got slowly whittled down via democracy.



Without a Bill of Enshrined Rights and the willingness and ability of the people to push back, democracies turn dictatorships....
Blahhhhhh...

Bricktop

#52
November 17, 2021, 12:23:29 AM
Which is why limited term elections are worthwhile modifications of the current selection process as to who gets to put their snout in the trough.



I think America's 2 term limit on the President is a good start, but why shouldn't it apply to ALL elected politicians.



I'd be happy to allow 5 year terms for the top job, maximum of 2 terms. This will also apply to cabinet ministers.



For the rest, 4 year terms, maximum of 2.



The standard superannuation rules will apply to politicians as with other peons. You get back what you put in. The current super privileges our MP's get encourages them to stay in their jobs long after their value has decreased to zero. There will be a limit on candidates from identical vocations; no more than 2 lawyers, 2 unionists, 2 doctors, 2 truck drivers...maybe 3.



A plebiscite of 10% of the voters in an electorate can recall the MP in the case of unacceptable conduct.



A plebiscite of 10% of voters in any FIVE electorates can recall the PM or Minister.



Premiers and state politicians are excluded because they will be eliminated as unnecessary. No state governments. Having three levels of government, as we do in Australia, is simply another means of stifling the public will.



Political parties should be banned...but if that's a bridge too far, then pre-selection processes are outlawed, as is enforcing voting along party lines. No MP shall be penalised for voting in accordance with his electorates wishes, rather than a party.



If parties are permitted to continue, political donations to them will be banned. Donations can be made to individuals up to a certain limit and no further.



Judges and Heads of Departments will be appointed subject to a public tribunals, and those appointments are reviewed every two years unless the judge or bureaucrat quits before the review is due.



See. System repaired.



You're welcome.

Frood

#53
November 17, 2021, 04:10:59 AM
There are issues with your proposal....



State governments need to remain as a balance against Federal overreach and vice versa.... but codifying the rights in stone for both is necessary. They've burst their constraints but retreated in other ways.



Superannuation is a forced service and has no place in a free society.



Those are non starters for me. There are some merit to your other points.



Without a bill of civil rights linked to a nationhood kill switch (ie. Nation must be dissolved if any of the rights are violated) and the human right to self defence, we'll be right back where we are now.
Blahhhhhh...

Anonymous

#54
November 17, 2021, 05:13:02 AM
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=427398 time=1637118870 user_id=1676
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=427344 time=1637096093 user_id=1560
It won't happen as long as we sustain the dead system of representative government. Electing some ideological flunky who wants to be king or queen for their own fulfilment is an absurd means of managing our society.



The circumstances that led to electing a representative to speak for us in government deliberations are buried deep in the medieval past.



We can do better. We have the means to express our views directly to the government without mealy-mouthed middlemen and women distorting our views with their own.



We need the courage to make changes. Those who benefit from apathy and an anachronastic system won't hand back the reins willingly.


The checks and balances were there in all Western societies, but got slowly whittled down via democracy.



Without a Bill of Enshrined Rights and the willingness and ability of the people to push back, democracies turn dictatorships....

We have a Charter of Rights and Freedoms in Canada.....it hasn't stopped Justin Trudeau from taking more power away from people and provinces.

Frood

#55
November 17, 2021, 05:21:05 AM
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Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=427398 time=1637118870 user_id=1676
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=427344 time=1637096093 user_id=1560
It won't happen as long as we sustain the dead system of representative government. Electing some ideological flunky who wants to be king or queen for their own fulfilment is an absurd means of managing our society.



The circumstances that led to electing a representative to speak for us in government deliberations are buried deep in the medieval past.



We can do better. We have the means to express our views directly to the government without mealy-mouthed middlemen and women distorting our views with their own.



We need the courage to make changes. Those who benefit from apathy and an anachronastic system won't hand back the reins willingly.


The checks and balances were there in all Western societies, but got slowly whittled down via democracy.



Without a Bill of Enshrined Rights and the willingness and ability of the people to push back, democracies turn dictatorships....

We have a Charter of Rights and Freedoms in Canada.....it hasn't stopped Justin Trudeau from taking more power away from people and provinces.


There has to be a dissolution/kill switch mechanism when human rights are violated, plus the ability of citizens to physically rise up.



You don't have those, you have what we have everywhere now.
Blahhhhhh...

Anonymous

#56
November 17, 2021, 05:34:13 AM
One thing I like about the US is that it keeps a check on American politicians. Activist judges are the problem.

Bricktop

#57
November 17, 2021, 04:34:42 PM
How, then, does Nancy Pelosi and her husband make millions over investments in businesses directly influenced by her role in the government?

Anonymous

#58
November 17, 2021, 04:58:29 PM
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=427439 time=1637184882 user_id=1560
How, then, does Nancy Pelosi and her husband make millions over investments in businesses directly influenced by her role in the government?

Congress is a great way to get rich.

Bricktop

#59
November 17, 2021, 05:11:46 PM
Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=427400 time=1637140259 user_id=1676
There are issues with your proposal....



State governments need to remain as a balance against Federal overreach and vice versa.... but codifying the rights in stone for both is necessary. They've burst their constraints but retreated in other ways.



Superannuation is a forced service and has no place in a free society.



Those are non starters for me. There are some merit to your other points.



Without a bill of civil rights linked to a nationhood kill switch (ie. Nation must be dissolved if any of the rights are violated) and the human right to self defence, we'll be right back where we are now.


There are issues with every proposal.



The problem is we've lost the ability to respect different views and to look from anothers perspective.



You've convinced me on superannuation...it's just another scam to take your money so they can pay politicians fortunes for doing nothing when they get voted out.



We're not going to agree on State governments, but I refer you to the recent and ongoing debacle in Australia of the Covid response. We have a Federal government and 8 State governments all pulling in different directions and locking down borders contrary to the Constitution they wave in our faces when WE demand change.



When did humans NOT have the right to defend themselves? ac_dunno
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