Jesus Christ, what a fucking turd.  So California is pushing electric vehicles even as it doesn't have enough electricity to run itself currently and has no plans on how to power electric vehicles in the future.  The supposedly green state also remov2d virtually all financial incentives for home owners to install roof top solar because it really doesn't want home owners generating their own electric power for some reason. 

Now, a stupid Democrat has written a proposed law which will let the state government drain your electric vehicle's battery to provide power to the state.  That is right, they want to damage your battery, drain it so your electric car is unusable and they don't even want to pay you anything to do it.  You can'take this shit up.

https://californiaglobe.com/articles/power-vacuum-california-wants-to-suck-your-ev/amp/

You can talk numbers to the average asshole until you're blue in the face and they'll always come back with "BUT DA EARF!!!!"

The power has to come from somewhere and we dont have any plan, realistic plan, to generate the power.

Developed countries are spending a lot of money without any proof whatsoever that ev's will lower emissions.

Government's EV push may actually increase emissions

In Canada, government efforts to reorganize the automobile industry from the top down, supposedly to save the world from global warming, include heavy subsidization of electric vehicles (EVs), almost $30 billion in handouts to two manufacturers to keep battery plants in Ontario, significant spending on EV infrastructure and plans to ban sales of gasoline-powered cars by 2035. The subsidies and handouts are already burning taxpayers and consumers; the forthcoming ban will be at least as painful.

Besides Canada, many other countries and jurisdictions are imposing their own prohibitions on internal combustion engines in the next decade or so. But as Mark P. Mills, a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute, lays bare in a recent study, the mandates will be economically disastrous and the environmental benefit are dubious. "Bans on conventionally powered vehicles," he writes, "will lead to draconian impediments to affordable and convenient driving and a massive misallocation of capital in the world's $4-trillion automotive industry."

Even with significant government incentives to bend consumers to buy EVs, Mills notes it took two years for Ford's electric Mustang Mach-E to reach 150,000 sales. By comparison, when Ford introduced its 1964 Mustang, it sold one million within 18 months. While EVs are a compelling choice for many consumers, their rate of adoption would have to far surpass anything seen historically to reach government objectives.

Specifically, Mills writes: "In service of government climate strategies to achieve radical emissions reductions, consumers will need to adopt EVs at a scale and velocity 10 times greater and faster than the introduction of any new model of car in history." This is not something likely to occur due to consumer preferences; politicians will have to browbeat millions of people into buying cars they do not really want through taxes, subsidies and mandates. Thus, the forthcoming prohibitions.

The government project to mandate EVs is also fraught with shaky and uncertain economics. As Mills points out, "no one knows when or whether EVs will reach economic parity with the cars that most people drive" because "for the majority of drivers, there's no visibility for when, if ever, EVs will reach parity in cost and fueling convenience, regardless of subsidies." The price of EVs is determined largely by the costs of critical materials including a wide range of minerals mined mainly in foreign countries.

Finally, Mills argues the environmental benefits of EV mandates are doubtful. "No one knows how much, if at all, CO2 emissions will decline as EV use rises," he writes, due to uncertainties in the emissions in EV production. "Those emissions substantially offset reductions from avoiding gasoline and, as the demand for battery minerals explodes, the net reductions will shrink, may vanish, and could even lead to a net increase in emissions."

New York Times columnist Peter Coy recently raised similar concerns. Partly due to increasing battery sizes to satisfy consumers, EVs are consuming huge quantities of materials and their prices are trending up, not down. Moreover, due to their emissions-intensive production, EVs must travel 28,000 to 68,000 miles before they're more greenhouse gas-efficient than conventional gasoline-powered cars, eroding their environmental benefits.

Electric vehicles may be a good choice for some people. The evidence clearly shows, however, the tens of billions of dollars in government subsidies are financially impoverishing and the government compulsion of consumers to buy such vehicles when they prefer conventional gasoline-powered cars is an overreach with little to no compensating environmental benefit.
https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/lau-governments-ev-push-may-actually-increase-emissions

my new neighbours have an electic car and I am terrified it will catch fire.... their garage makes up part of our fence line and I am mere metres away from it.

Quote from: caskur on August 16, 2023, 08:56:55 PMmy new neighbours have an electic car and I am terrified it will catch fire.... their garage makes up part of our fence line and I am mere metres away from it.

I am glad I do not have neighbours.

Quote from: Herman on August 16, 2023, 09:26:21 PMI am glad I do not have neighbours.

doesn't matter, you could be parked in a parking building, next space could be parked an EV... she goes up in flames, so does your car too.

Quote from: caskur on August 16, 2023, 11:25:19 PMdoesn't matter, you could be parked in a parking building, next space could be parked an EV... she goes up in flames, so does your car too.

Someone a few streets away from me had an EV go up in flames just a few weeks ago. Luckily they had it parked in their driveway so the house didn't go up.  Something with the power plug fucked up. They had run the cables out to the car from their fancy new and expensive "power station" they had installed in the garage.

It was a Tesla.

Quote from: Reggie Essent on August 17, 2023, 11:16:03 PMSomeone a few streets away from me had an EV go up in flames just a few weeks ago. Luckily they had it parked in their driveway so the house didn't go up.  Something with the power plug fucked up. They had run the cables out to the car from their fancy new and expensive "power station" they had installed in the garage.

It was a Tesla.

Here in Florida during those mass evacuations down by the Ft Myers area we saw several EV's that ran out of power while stuck in bumper to bumper traffic because the power lines were down on account of strong prestorm winds

I kinda felt bad for laughing but I did anyway 

Quote from: Biggie Smiles on August 17, 2023, 11:18:58 PMHere in Florida during those mass evacuations down by the Ft Myers area we saw several EV's that ran out of power while stuck in bumper to bumper traffic because the power lines were down on account of strong prestorm winds

I kinda felt bad for laughing but I did anyway 

I would have laughed too.

Quote from: Herman on August 17, 2023, 11:22:53 PMI would have laughed too.

They had a gay couple on TV whom they were interviewing and the two fags were freaking out

it was funny as fuck

Thinking of buying an electric truck? Think again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AEpORf6zVQ&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theblaze.com%2Fnews%2Fdalbir-bala-electric-truck-road-trip%3Futm_source%3Dtheblaze-dailyPM%26utm_medium%3Demail%26utm_campaign%3DDai&source_ve_path=Mjg2NjY&feature=emb_logo

Tesla accused of lying about vehicle range.

https://news.yahoo.com/tesla-lands-hot-water-report-100000724.html

Nikola recalls battery-electric trucks following fire investigation

Nikola Corp. is recalling 209 of its Tre battery-electric trucks after a third-party investigation found that a coolant leak in a battery pack sparked a fire at the company's Phoenix headquarters in June.

Nikola is temporarily halting sales of its battery-electric trucks as "a precautionary measure," the company said.

"At Nikola we take safety very seriously," Steve Girsky, Nikola's CEO, said in an Aug. 11 statement. "We stated from the beginning that as soon as our investigations were concluded we would provide an update and we will continue our transparency as we learn more."

Internal investigations by Nikola's safety and engineering teams found that a single supplier component within its battery packs are the likely source of the coolant leaks. Efforts are underway to "provide a field remedy in the coming weeks," according to the company.

https://ktar.com/story/5529807/nikola-recalls-battery-electric-trucks-following-fire-investigation/

Quote from: Oliver the Second on August 18, 2023, 05:07:30 PMNikola recalls battery-electric trucks following fire investigation

Nikola Corp. is recalling 209 of its Tre battery-electric trucks after a third-party investigation found that a coolant leak in a battery pack sparked a fire at the company's Phoenix headquarters in June.

Nikola is temporarily halting sales of its battery-electric trucks as "a precautionary measure," the company said.

"At Nikola we take safety very seriously," Steve Girsky, Nikola's CEO, said in an Aug. 11 statement. "We stated from the beginning that as soon as our investigations were concluded we would provide an update and we will continue our transparency as we learn more."

Internal investigations by Nikola's safety and engineering teams found that a single supplier component within its battery packs are the likely source of the coolant leaks. Efforts are underway to "provide a field remedy in the coming weeks," according to the company.

https://ktar.com/story/5529807/nikola-recalls-battery-electric-trucks-following-fire-investigation/

I will never own a frickin electric truck.

Ford CEO Jim Farley admitted he underwent a "reality check" when he tried to make a cross-country road trip in the Ford electric F-150.

"Charging has been pretty challenging," Mr. Farley said in a video on X, formerly known as Twitter. "It was a really good reality check of the challenges of what our customers go through and the importance of fast charging and what we're going to have to do to improve the charging experience."

In California, Mr. Farley said he encountered slow charging times. When using a low-speed charger, it took about 40 minutes for it to charge the electric F-150's battery to 40 percent.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/article/ford-ceo-admits-reality-check-when-he-took-electric-f-150-truck-on-road-trip-5474740?utm_source=goodeveningnoe&src_src=goodeveningnoe&utm_campaign=gv-2023-08-18&src_cmp=gv-2023-08-18&utm_medium=email&est=PfyHf%2F88U9uaJ%2BUSHDMFEMIfwv9VzET%2FF3F2OnfS4YCy6GMAm4g7bXSRuLu4T1HQjQ%3D%3D