Quote from: DKG on March 23, 2024, 09:33:57 AMWhen birth rates dip below what is known as the "replacement" fertility rate of 2.1, the optimal rate to maintain population stability, it can engender concern about a future lack of healthy, young workers needed to maintain economic productivity.

AI and other forms of technology can make workers much more productive,  We should be embracing technologies that makes workers more efficient.

So we can reduce our population and still be as productive as necessary.

Natural resources are limited.  Pollution is bad.

Crowded beaches bug me.

And we need to plant trees.

Quote from: TheProwler on March 23, 2024, 09:26:18 PMAI and other forms of technology can make workers much more productive,  We should be embracing technologies that makes workers more efficient.

So we can reduce our population and still be as productive as necessary.

Natural resources are limited.  Pollution is bad.

Crowded beaches bug me.

And we need to plant trees.

The objective of AI is to create a modern form of feudalism by the elites to control and subjugate the masses TheProwlerT

And make no mistake about it the elites and corporations grow increasingly uneasy about the growing discontent of the masses who they fear will revolt and overthrow their oppressive order. Ie - the riot police of the future will resemble Robocop of the future with truncheons to strike down starving protesters in the streets.

All AI is for is taking 10 things away from us and giving back a small bone the Elites will label as 'new & improved' to the masses.

But anyone with common sense know and understand what these sleazy corporations and power hungry elites want.

Unlike you at least Oliver ClotheshoffeO appears better than you what's goin on and what will unfold Prowler. So does LokmarL

Quote from: JOE on March 23, 2024, 10:24:57 PMThe objective of AI is to create a modern form of feudalism by the elites to control and subjugate the masses

You say that like it is a bad thing.

Quote from: JOE on March 23, 2024, 10:24:57 PMAnd make no mistake about it the elites and corporations grow increasingly uneasy about the growing discontent of the masses who they fear will revolt and overthrow their oppressive order.

There will be civil unrest.  But the aggression will mainly be focused on different distinct groups of citizens.  This is one of the main reasons for "diversity".  Diversity creates unrest.  And diversity creates groups of the population that see each other as the enemies.

The Elites and corporations will come out of the blood bath virtually unscathed.

Quote from: JOE on March 23, 2024, 10:24:57 PMthe riot police of the future will resemble Robocop of the future with truncheons to strike down starving protesters in the streets.

Yeah, the survivors of the civil war will then be wiped out or kept as a working class.  But most will simply be wiped out because very few human workers will be needed.

Quote from: JOE on March 23, 2024, 10:24:57 PMAll AI is for is taking 10 things away from us and giving back a small bone the Elites will label as 'new & improved' to the masses.

You are looking at things so negatively.

Perhaps this is all a matter of perspective....

Quote from: JOE on March 23, 2024, 10:24:57 PMBut anyone with common sense know and understand what these sleazy corporations and power hungry elites want.

There is no need for personal insults, Subject 473 982 871.  I mean Senile JOEJ.

Quote from: JOE on March 23, 2024, 10:24:57 PMUnlike you at least Oliver ClotheshoffeOappears better than you what's goin on and what will unfold Prowler. So does LokmarL

Oh?

Do they?

Quote from: TheProwler on March 23, 2024, 10:46:54 PMYou are looking at things so negatively.

Perhaps this is all a matter of perspective....

Yes I do and for good reason dumb TheProwlerT.

For example all of our/your favorite software programs such as Wordperfect are going subscription only or being replaced by AI.

That's why I'm buying all my favorite perpetual software movies and music on CD and DVD before it disappears or is gone replaced by AI.

Whether you realize it or not it's all getting taken away from us dumb Prowler

I'm no communist or Marxist but Karl Marx was correct when he told workers to take control of the means of production. The elites knew or know he was right.

And that's why they are destroying the software industry so you can no longer own it dumb Prowler

As they say he who owns all da gold makes da rules and can create his own wealth.

That's why they wanna take software we can own away from us.

Quote from: TheProwler on March 23, 2024, 09:26:18 PMAI and other forms of technology can make workers much more productive,  We should be embracing technologies that makes workers more efficient.

So we can reduce our population and still be as productive as necessary.

Natural resources are limited.  Pollution is bad.

Crowded beaches bug me.

And we need to plant trees.

There is less real pollution today than 130 years ago. People live longer today than they did 130 years ago. These advances happened with more people not less.

Prosperity will solve overpopulation problem. Educated, prosperous people have fewer kids. We know that. But, if we force them to adopt the West's insane energy transition schemes, they will never be prosperous and the overpopulation problem will continue.

Deprivation, poverty, and taking away choices have not worked to lower global fertiility rates despite what socialists believe. On the other hand, we know prosperity does work.

Quote from: DKG on March 24, 2024, 11:44:17 AMDeprivation, poverty, and taking away choices have not worked to lower global fertiility rates despite what socialists believe. On the other hand, we know prosperity does work.

It sounds like you agree that depopulation is necessary, or at least desirable.

Savages/idiots cannot be prosperous in modern times.  A lot of countries have a very high percentage of these people.

Spending resources to help them become prosperous is a waste.

Quote from: TheProwler on March 24, 2024, 03:52:46 PMIt sounds like you agree that depopulation is necessary, or at least desirable.

Savages/idiots cannot be prosperous in modern times.  A lot of countries have a very high percentage of these people.

Spending resources to help them become prosperous is a waste.

You are on the right track. But, the resources spent are wasted on green socialism which is guaranteed to keep them poor and their ferility rate high.

Quote from: DKG on March 24, 2024, 06:35:06 PMYou are on the right track. But, the resources spent are wasted on green socialism which is guaranteed to keep them poor and their ferility rate high.

You worry about 3rd world countries too much.

Close their borders.  Let them do what they are gonna do.

They do not produce a significant amount of pollution.

Quote from: DKG on March 24, 2024, 11:16:36 AMThere is less real pollution today than 130 years ago. People live longer today than they did 130 years ago. These advances happened with more people not less.

Prosperity will solve overpopulation problem. Educated, prosperous people have fewer kids. We know that. But, if we force them to adopt the West's insane energy transition schemes, they will never be prosperous and the overpopulation problem will continue.

The world functioned beautifully when there was 3 billion.... more people does not equate to anything but misery. We now have 8 billion mostly miserable people.... You and I might be well off and happy but 92% are suffering badly.

Quote from: TheProwler on March 24, 2024, 10:22:24 PMYou worry about 3rd world countries too much.

Close their borders.  Let them do what they are gonna do.

They do not produce a significant amount of pollution.

well he is Nth Korean.

Developed countries need more babies to pay for all their old people on pensions. Developing countries need to reduce their fertility rates.

Quote from: Shen Li on March 24, 2024, 11:47:29 PMDeveloped countries need more babies to pay for all their old people on pensions.

This is old thinking.

Obsolete.

With AI/technology, people are more productive.

To make it simple for you, think of how much production we need.

Quantify it.  "It will taken 1000 workers to produce all the good and services we need."

Well, with technology it will only take, let's say 25%, of the manpower.

So we only need 250 workers.

If you are worried about that meaning there will only be 25% of the taxes, do not worry.  There are many solutions to that.  Corporate tax.  Pay higher wages, which will increase taxes.

Also, because production costs much less, we can have lower prices and a lower cost of living.

It is always good to be more efficient.  It is just a matter of implementing changes to The System to properly manage the new efficiencies.

Expenses are higher and less revenue. More makers than takers. That isn't obsolete, that is the reality for all the developed countries on my side of the world. Where you are they offset if with immigration.

Pension companies are a ponzi scheme.