Quote from: TheProwler on March 24, 2024, 10:22:24 PMYou worry about 3rd world countries too much.

Close their borders.  Let them do what they are gonna do.

They do not produce a significant amount of pollution.

If they move up the economic ladder their overpopulation problem will right itself. Instead of receiving aid, they will become markets for developed countries.

But, in the mean time, I agree, sustainable immigration policies are needed. The number of students, TFW's, refugees, and immigrants we are allowing in each year under Trudeau is unsustainable. It is stretching already thin health cares sources to their limits. Classrooms are bursting at the seams. And of course, we cannot possible build enough housing for 1.5-2 million newcomers a year.

Quote from: TheProwler on March 25, 2024, 12:32:33 AMThis is old thinking.

Obsolete.

With AI/technology, people are more productive.

To make it simple for you, think of how much production we need.

Quantify it.  "It will taken 1000 workers to produce all the good and services we need."

Well, with technology it will only take, let's say 25%, of the manpower.

So we only need 250 workers.

If you are worried about that meaning there will only be 25% of the taxes, do not worry.  There are many solutions to that.  Corporate tax.  Pay higher wages, which will increase taxes.

Also, because production costs much less, we can have lower prices and a lower cost of living.

It is always good to be more efficient.  It is just a matter of implementing changes to The System to properly manage the new efficiencies.

If there are fewer jobs & so many unemployed, who is gonna be able to buy these abundant goods TheProwlerT ?

And the last computer age produced so much junk overflowing in our land fills, more junk will make the situation even worse.

Also the planet only has 100 years of natural resources left at best


So will AI make us better recyclers too Prowler? If all the resources run out we will have no choice but to recycle what the planet has left. Eventually everything will need to be made out of recycled materials.

Will AI figure out that problem Ptowler?

AI will create a massive oversupply if the planet produces even more. And we'll run out of raw materials and energy sources to keep feeding it.

Quote from: JOE on March 25, 2024, 12:03:32 PMIf there are fewer jobs & so many unemployed, who is gonna be able to buy these abundant goods TheProwlerT?

This is why there needs to be a transition period, Senile JOEJ.

Shorter work weeks and early retirement will make for higher employment numbers.

So unemployment is not necessary.

And as the population is reduced, more efficient technologies can be put in place which will ensure that production levels satisfy our needs.

Quote from: JOE on March 25, 2024, 12:03:32 PMAnd the last computer age produced so much junk overflowing in our land fills, more junk will make the situation even worse.

That is a different subject, Senile Joe.

Quote from: JOE on March 25, 2024, 12:03:32 PMAlso the planet only has 100 years of natural resources left at best

Not when we significantly reduce the population.

Duh.

Quote from: JOE on March 25, 2024, 12:03:32 PMSo will AI make us better recyclers too Prowler? If all the resources run out we will have no choice but to recycle what the planet has left. Eventually everything will need to be made out of recycled materials.

Will AI figure out that problem Ptowler?

That is a different problem, Senile Joe.

One that population reduction will help solve.



But, obviously when we are more efficient in our production of goods and services, we will be able to dedicate more human resources to other areas of interest like natural resource sustainability.


Again, DUH.

Quote from: JOE on March 25, 2024, 12:15:02 PMAI will create a massive oversupply if the planet produces even more. And we'll run out of raw materials and energy sources to keep feeding it.

Do not be so stupid, Senile Joe.

Why would we produce more than we need?

Anyone who think being inefficient is better than being efficient should just sit this one out.

Quote from: TheProwler on March 25, 2024, 07:22:10 PMDo not be so stupid, Senile Joe.

Why would we produce more than we need?

Anyone who think being inefficient is better than being efficient should just sit this one out.

We produce more than we need in order to create a surplus, therefore lowering the cost of consumer goods and making them more accessible to those who previously were unable to afford them.

Supply and Demand Have never been and will never be in equilibrium. We can get close, but because of many things (such as the delay in supply change in response to demand.) it will never be a 100% efficient system.

The only ones willing to have fewer children are Europeans some Asians and North Americans TheProwlerT

Otherwise much of the planet's population is still exploding in the middle east Africa & central America

We'll probably reach 10 bil within 30 years.

I don't think po' mother earth can take too much more.

You might still be alive then.
But you will not like what you see.

Quote from: Kingoffrogs on March 25, 2024, 08:11:12 PMmaking them more accessible to those who previously were unable to afford them.

When I say "need" I am really talking about "want".  Most stuff we do not "need" and most of what we are talking about is more of a "want" than a "need".

So arguing that point is just semantics.

If people were previously unable to afford a product, then producing it at a price they can afford is not producing more than we want.  When I say more than we want (or need), I am referring to Senile JOEJ's claim that we will produce an "oversupply".

Quote from: Kingoffrogs on March 25, 2024, 08:11:12 PMSupply and Demand Have never been and will never be in equilibrium. We can get close, but because of many things (such as the delay in supply change in response to demand.) it will never be a 100% efficient system.

I do not want to go off on a tangent about what I mean by "efficient".

I am talking about efficient methods of producing goods or services.  I am not talking about accurately projecting the demand for a product.

Quote from: JOE on March 25, 2024, 10:39:14 PMThe only ones willing to have fewer children are Europeans some Asians and North Americans TheProwlerT

Otherwise much of the planet's population is still exploding in the middle east Africa & central America

We'll probably reach 10 bil within 30 years.

I don't think po' mother earth can take too much more.

You might still be alive then.
But you will not like what you see.

Which is why plans are in place to reduce the population.


We can do this the easy way......


Or we can do it the hard way.

Quote from: TheProwler on March 26, 2024, 12:20:46 AMWhen I say "need" I am really talking about "want".  Most stuff we do not "need" and most of what we are talking about is more of a "want" than a "need".

So arguing that point is just semantics.

If people were previously unable to afford a product, then producing it at a price they can afford is not producing more than we want.  When I say more than we want (or need), I am referring to Senile JOEJ's claim that we will produce an "oversupply".


I do not want to go off on a tangent about what I mean by "efficient".

I am talking about efficient methods of producing goods or services.  I am not talking about accurately projecting the demand for a product.

Ok, I suppose I misunderstood.

What does Joe mean by oversupply?

Usually, when supply exceeds demand, prices fall, and then shortly after supply falls.

A surplus is usually a good thing in my understanding of economics, Joe by oversupply do you simply mean a surplus?

Also how do I @ someone it isn't working for me, maybe because I'm on mobile right now.

Quote from: Kingoffrogs on March 26, 2024, 12:29:42 AMWhat does Joe mean by oversupply?

It is Senile JOEJ so we all have to make a lot of assumptions.

You could ask him what he meant, but he is very unlikely to try to explain himself because he has the attention span of a frying pan.

He will be surprised he said it and will not know what he meant.

But, piecing together his irrational thoughts and fears, I assume he thinks AI will totally take over and fulfill its Prime Directive of producing as many Widgets as possible without any human input or interference.

The guy is nuts.

Quote from: TheProwler on March 26, 2024, 12:36:35 AMIt is Senile JOEJ so we all have to make a lot of assumptions.

You could ask him what he meant, but he is very unlikely to try to explain himself because he has the attention span of a frying pan.

He will be surprised he said it and will not know what he meant.

But, piecing together his irrational thoughts and fears, I assume he thinks AI will totally take over and fulfill its Prime Directive of producing as many Widgets as possible without any human input or interference.

The guy is nuts.

Well put it this way TheProwlerT .... if we already have 10-100x more junk today than 50 years ago because of the first wave of computing, then just think how much more junk AI and robotics are capable of producing. 1000s of times more.

Unless the AI has algorithms to produce only what we need.

But that doesn't take into account consumer appetites or human greed.

People don't think like machines, and they have irrational wants and desires.
And if a company thinks it can capitalize of this demand, they'll produce even more junk and wreck our environment even more. More production means more profits for them. Of course they won't stop at $1 million in sales. They'll want $10,000,000 and if AI/Robotics can deliver it for them, then greed rather than what actually need takes over.

So of course what that could lead to is even more overproduction, pollution, etc.

Quote from: JOE on March 26, 2024, 12:43:21 AMWell put it this way TheProwlerT .... if we already have 10-100x more junk today than 50 years ago because of the first wave of computing, then just think how much more junk AI and robotics are capable of producing. 1000s of times more.

Unless the AI has algorithms to produce only what we need.

But that doesn't take into account consumer appetites or human greed.

People don't think like machines, and they have irrational wants and desires.
And if a company thinks it can capitalize of this demand, they'll produce even more junk and wreck our environment even more. More production means more profits for them. Of course they won't stop at $1 million in sales. They'll want $10,000,000 and if AI/Robotics can deliver it for them, then greed rather than what actually need takes over.

So of course what that could lead to is even more overproduction, pollution, etc.

And that right there is exactly whey stupid people are going to be first on The Culling List.

Josephina asks himself in his head "would I get to be orally gang banged by 12 guys and make coal coal coal ling ling ling coo coo cachoo sounds from my throat? Oh, YES PLEASE! Most imminent volunteer sign up vibes being put out to the universe in 3-2-1!! Ride my larynx, Cowboi's!!"

Quote from: Kingoffrogs on March 26, 2024, 12:29:42 AMOk, I suppose I misunderstood.

What does Joe mean by oversupply?

Usually, when supply exceeds demand, prices fall, and then shortly after supply falls.

A surplus is usually a good thing in my understanding of economics, Joe by oversupply do you simply mean a surplus?

Also how do I @ someone it isn't working for me, maybe because I'm on mobile right now.

Brother, he wants attention. That is the only reason he posts. Don't pay much attention to want he writes because he won't pay mauch attention to his own posts.