Here we have a group of fucking ANIMALS who dragged an innocent girl through the streets in a pickup truck, raped and tortured others in their own homes, shot DOGS in the street for barking at them and burned families alive

and I'm supposed to weep because they CLAIM 10,000 children have died in this conflict at the hands of the Israelis?

We're supposed to take the word of terrorists here? Who have every vested interest in the world to inflate civilian causalities as part of a propaganda war? When time and time again when the facts come to light they are totally contrary to the narrative HAMAS is disseminating?

No -- no fucking way -- I ain't purchasing that bridge for 5 cents let alone 5 dollars. And I certainly wouldn't tolerate these little motherfuckers harassing their fellow students to bring awareness to such propaganda either.

There's a conduit to have your voices heard in this country and harassing innocent people on bridges, highways, schools and in their homes is NOT IT. Period.

Quote from: Biggie Smiles on May 01, 2024, 01:46:33 PMTwo wrongs do not make a right, Moonie.

THIS is not the way to go about voicing dissent

now, if this kid had some kind of leadership ability in the conflict and could somehow influence the outcome then we'd be having a different conversation. But to my knowledge he doesn't

I dont like what I see in the West Bank any more than you do. Those settlers are lower than animals to me. and if Oct 7th had happened to them I'd be cheering the Palestians there too.

But that's not what happened.

Gaza is a whole different story. Show me where the occupation is in Gaza?

Occupation has gone way back.  That's another discussion. Gaza has been occupied since the beginning of time.  That's why when this all happened I didn't understand how Israel was so shocked and how they didn't know. They know what perfume I'm wearing once I exit the plane there FACT.

 
The Jewish kid did not deserve that bullshit. I totally agree. The protests happening on campus should be controlled.  I haven't had the time to read on everything in this thread.  I'm in an audit for work right now.

But its interesting on how these protests are being carried out and how organized they are.  Don't you think?

Quote from: Moonie on May 01, 2024, 02:16:04 PMOccupation has gone way back.  That's another discussion. Gaza has been occupied since the beginning of time.  That's why when this all happened I didn't understand how Israel was so shocked and how they didn't know. They know what perfume I'm wearing once I exit the plane there FACT.

 
The Jewish kid did not deserve that bullshit. I totally agree. The protests happening on campus should be controlled.  I haven't had the time to read on everything in this thread.  I'm in an audit for work right now.

But its interesting on how these protests are being carried out and how organized they are.  Don't you think?

If I'm not mistaken, the deed to the land was given to Israel by God and for all time. Those ignorant jews cant even technically give their land away because God has decided who it belongs to.

The 2 state solution will always be doomed.

Quote from: Lokmar on May 01, 2024, 02:23:03 PMIf I'm not mistaken, the deed to the land was given to Israel by God and for all time. Those ignorant jews cant even technically give their land away because God has decided who it belongs to.

The 2 state solution will always be doomed.

I'm not here to argue that. I do know that people argue that because it was the old law.  There is a new law when Jesus died on the cross and the New Testament came about.

Quote from: Moonie on May 01, 2024, 02:16:04 PMOccupation has gone way back.  That's another discussion. Gaza has been occupied since the beginning of time.  That's why when this all happened I didn't understand how Israel was so shocked and how they didn't know. They know what perfume I'm wearing once I exit the plane there FACT.

 
The Jewish kid did not deserve that bullshit. I totally agree. The protests happening on campus should be controlled.  I haven't had the time to read on everything in this thread.  I'm in an audit for work right now.

But something is interesting on how these protests are being carried out and how organized they are.  Don't you think?

Perhaps my history is a little hazy but from what I understand -- vast portions of what is Israel today was mostly uninhabited and scarcely occupied by nomadic tribes who were technically squatting as the land technically belonged to the British empire. 

Fast forward to the end of world war two the Brits decide to hand the land over to the Israelis to bring back the jews to their homeland.

notice how I don't go back to the fact that God gave them this land? I don't buy into such bullocks either. God abandoned Israel long ago. That land isn't theres because of God, it's there's because the group who owned it previously gave it to them. that's totally appropriate.

I own 2 acres of land right now and if I so choose I can donate 1 acre of that land to anyone I choose. Regardless if some Seminole Indian thinks it's his or not. it's mine. I have the title to it and I do with it what I please. So if the Palestinians had a beef they should have taken up said beef with the British.

Now, fast forward again to the 6 day war. Several countries attacked them first did they not? And they managed to push these aggressors back did they not? Thus extending their own borders deep into the aggressor territory. And now what? They are supposed to just hand all that territory back? (which they did because most of their leadership are spineless jellyfish)

So, regardless of who or who is not adversely affected Israel EARNED that land and paid for it with the blood of their brave young men and women. If it were me I would have told all of the inhabitants of areas I was FORCED to occupy through the defense of myself that they need to go fuck themselves, choose better leadership or develop a stronger military. You attacked me, I pushed you back and you can get fucked if you want back what I've taken. It's mine now. Attack again and we'll see if I don't push even further into your territory and tell you to get fucked once again if you don't like it.

but see, that's me, I don't fuck around with people because I understand fully that violence is a language EVERYONE understands. It's regrettable but it is an unfortunate fact of life.

Quote from: Moonie on May 01, 2024, 02:28:43 PMI'm not here to argue that. I do know that people argue that because it was the old law.  There is a new law when Jesus died on the cross and the New Testament came about.

In no way shape or form did Jesus negate the deed to the land of Israel. It plainly states in God's promise to Abraham in the Old Testament that the deed would be theirs for all times, even if they got tossed off the land as they did by violating the Covenant. There is also a promise that the Jews would be gathered into the land again, never to be displaced again, in end time prophecy. Further, it is prophecy that the entire world will come against Israel. I never in my lifetime thought America would turn against Israel until recently.

Jesus has no relevance in the matter of what people hold the deed to Israel, i.e. ALL OF IT. However, replacement theologists do teach that the Church replaced Israel and its irrelevant now. I have no respect for this evil doctrine.

I always thought the promised land was actually North America because Jesus was a space alien and ascended to his spaceship to beam the Jews over there but Scotty took the week off so Jesus went to Bajor and became their god but then the Cardassians came and blew up the place and Jesus never made it back to Earth and then the Europeans took the continent before the Jews could.

The next time you see a Cardassian be sure to give them a nice big thank you.

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Quote from: Lokmar on May 01, 2024, 03:37:40 PMIn no way shape or form did Jesus negate the deed to the land of Israel. It plainly states in God's promise to Abraham in the Old Testament that the deed would be theirs for all times, even if they got tossed off the land as they did by violating the Covenant. There is also a promise that the Jews would be gathered into the land again, never to be displaced again, in end time prophecy. Further, it is prophecy that the entire world will come against Israel. I never in my lifetime thought America would turn against Israel until recently.

Jesus has no relevance in the matter of what people hold the deed to Israel, i.e. ALL OF IT. However, replacement theologists do teach that the Church replaced Israel and its irrelevant now. I have no respect for this evil doctrine.

Umm Jesus HAS everything to do with this and what is to come.  For that reason I choose to stay out of this conflict because I'm like the odd ball of the bunch.  My little cousins are the one parading in these protests at some of these colleges.  They are Christian.  The Christians are believing that the New covenant was created when Jesus came and died on the cross for our sins. The new covenant did not include Israel to be the promise land solely and to kick out the Palestinians. Not only kick out, displace, tap phones in West Bank, need I go further.

So you believe what the majority of Zionist believe.  Makes sense.  But if I were you I'd be careful with that if you call yourself a Christian.

Personally I do not believe the land belongs to the jews because God gave it to them. That covenant expired long ago and God has turned his back on these people for good reason.

I believe the land is there's because, from the historical documentation I've read, the land was owned by the Brits, occupied by nomadic squatters who basically did nothing with it and didn't become a source of serious contention by surrounding arabs UNTIL the jewish people who migrated there turned it into a thriving metropolis.

Again, if the Brits acquired this land through conquest then it is perfectly acceptable for them to give the land to whomever they choose. Whether or not there were squatters there at the time is inconsequential to me. This is how the jungle of humanity works my friends. It's ugly, it's unfair and it is a never ending paradigm of The strong eating the weak. if you don't like this you have but two options.

a) become strong and stay that way

b) Rest your hopes in God's kingdom and make no illusions that there is any alternative to that kingdom when it comes to fixing this shitty planet.

period.

but pissing and whining and attacking innocent people who have nothing to do with the conflict either way some 10,000 miles away? Nah, I ain't for that kind of ignorant anarchy and I'm 100% behind law enforcement putting down these agents of chaos by any means necessary.

Quote from: Moonie on May 02, 2024, 11:30:42 AMUmm Jesus HAS everything to do with this and what is to come.  For that reason I choose to stay out of this conflict because I'm like the odd ball of the bunch.  My little cousins are the one parading in these protests at some of these colleges.  They are Christian.  The Christians are believing that the New covenant was created when Jesus came and died on the cross for our sins. The new covenant did not include Israel to be the promise land solely and to kick out the Palestinians. Not only kick out, displace, tap phones in West Bank, need I go further.

So you believe what the majority of Zionist believe.  Makes sense.  But if I were you I'd be careful with that if you call yourself a Christian.

Good morning Moonpie.
 

take a look at this scene from "the siege"



yeah it's just a movie but it speaks to the reality of this matter.

the context is that there is a protest in progress on behalf of the Arab/Muslim community and this guy is ready to go blow them up. they are on his fucking side and he has no problems whatsoever inflicting as much pain and misery upon them as he can despite their ignorant allegiance to him and people like him

that tells you everything you know to know about how the mind of a fanatical militant works. And if you truly believe that at least 50% of the population in Gaza isn't infected with this mentality right now then you need to have your own head examined

And who's to blame for that. Solely Israel? Bullshit. Israel isn't the one deep in Gazan territory digging up pipes intended to be used as delivery mechanisms for much needed water and using them as rocket launchers instead. Are they?

Netanyahu isn't living in a luxury hotel in Qatar with over 5 billion in personal finances courtesy of international generosity at the expense of the average Gazan who lives in abject poverty is he? no he isn't. The fucking leader of the terrorist agency TELLING YOU 10,000 babies were slaughtered in airstrikes is.

Shall I go on? Because I most certainly can but I think the point is clear. HAMAS thrives off the suffering of their own people and is a very active and willing partner in it's continued existence. It's called vested.fucking.interest people. it's alive and thriving in that region and is the NUMBER ONE obstacle of lasting peace. Period

Sure it's the israelis doing the bombing. I get that. But it is HAMAS pulling those strings. Isreal is the puppet. Hamas is the puppeteer.

what, are you so fucking stupid to believe that if God snapped his fingers tomorrow and wiped every last jew off that land there would be fucking peace? Are you fucking dumb? This conflict is a cash cow to a wide variety of soulless vermin scum. ON BOTH SIDES. you don't need to take my word for it, just Take a trip over the TheYnc and tell me how many JEWS you see beheading ARABS in those goreish ISIS videos which were ever so popular until Trump took out their leader.  What did executing fellow arab/muslims in IRAQ/Transcanistan/Pakistan etc etc have to do with the jews? Were the faggots that are seen thrown off rooftops after having their throats slit colonists of anything but another man's dirty asshole? How about the publicly immolated adulteresses who only commit adultry in the first place because of a backwards and savage culture they are forced to endure. is  thatZionism, deep in the heart of Iraqi mountains or just a basic human desire to love and live with whom YOU want to love and live with? Wake the fuck up.

And the list of innocents dying at the hands of their own goes on and on and on. and they didn't just kill these poor people, they devised some of the most gruesome, painful and horrific ways to do it imaginable.



and when I say "YOU" I don't mean you Moonie but you as in a figure of speech to the protestors collectively

I generally despise Jews but I'm not religious or Christian.

I dislike them because they treat non Jews like total shit.

Obviously, I give every individual their just dues.

But the Jews in my life, for the most part, have behaved like self centred nihilistic cunts.... and the women are the worst of them.

Agreed. They are fucking assholes. No arguments there

I can count on one, maybe two hands, the nice ones I've met in my life.

If either side were to gain total and unmitigated power over the world we'd be in serious trouble.

the jews because they believe we are Gentiles

the muslims because they believe we are enemies of Allah if we don't follow their beliefs to the letter.

that's why I say fuck them both. Let them sort their own problems out. But still maintain that Isreal has every right to do whatever they deem necessary to defend themselves from their attackers

Quote from: Biggie Smiles on May 02, 2024, 12:39:27 PMAgreed. They are fucking assholes. No arguments there

I can count on one, maybe two hands, the nice ones I've met in my life.

If either side were to gain total and unmitigated power over the world we'd be in serious trouble.

the jews because they believe we are Gentiles

the muslims because they believe we are enemies of Allah if we don't follow their beliefs to the letter.

that's why I say fuck them both. Let them sort their own problems out. But still maintain that Isreal has every right to do whatever they deem necessary to defend themselves from their attackers

 The only ones I know who have been consistently kind and respectful....Garrety(Vit) and my friend Troy I've known since high school.

 Oh and a couple I met in a debate group from Chicago.  The woman will actually come to me and ask me to help her understand certain right wing positions better.

 She doesn't nessesarily adopt them, but makes an effort to understand them. Which I respect.