The DNC was slaughter so hard they need to now step way back and do an autopsy.

 Reevaluate what they did. Their messaging.

 It's gonna be interesting. See how the next 4 years of Trump get reported on now that they know the majority of the country rejected their nonstop hate and lies.

 JOEJ

 Have you ever actually listened to Trump?

 https://youtu.be/8tN9kMPcibE?si=bHOqaXQNkaE_ii_E

 Who remembers Trump roasting the RNC donor audience? lmao

Quote from: Dove on November 10, 2024, 08:24:24 PMJOEJ

 Have you ever actually listened to Trump?

 https://youtu.be/8tN9kMPcibE?si=bHOqaXQNkaE_ii_E

 Who remembers Trump roasting the RNC donor audience? lmao

Joe knows, but doesn't care. He thinks he is getting under your skin by being an asshole.

I guess you have to be a virgin senior citizen like Joe to get it. He thinks his twenty year old style of trolling is entertaining.

What a duff gimmick.

Quote from: Grimmy on November 10, 2024, 09:14:55 PMWhat a duff gimmick.

Joe's trolling is the same record playing over and over again.

Quote from: Herman on November 10, 2024, 09:27:30 PMJoe's trolling is the same record playing over and over again.

Quote from: Grimmy on November 10, 2024, 09:32:39 PM

Like most folks, I would rather watch this entire video than read one Joe post.

Quote from: Dove on November 10, 2024, 04:44:55 PMYeah but you keep missing how the Republicans changed the party and took it back for the average Ametican.

Remember the TEA Party that formed under Bush? The Taxed Enough Already group that Occupied Wallstreet until it got over ran with socialists and people who were shitting on cop cars?  The Tea party occupied Wallstreet against the bail outs. None of us support bail outs.

I've told you many times....this is not Bush's Republican party.

Have you just not noticed how rinos even spoke against Trump and maga right wingers?

Also no one has total power. I keep seeing this kind of language. That's not how this works. We still have checks and balances in place. Just because the country is so fed up with democrats that they had a republican sweep doesn't mean anyone has power. We still have branches of government and term limits.

Republicans have the house and senate for two years and then the people will vote again.

If elected officials are not representing the will of the people they can be voted out. Simple as that.

 Also the war was more complicated than you are making it.  9/11 validated going to war btw.

If Trump turns out better than expected, I could change my mind Dove Dove

We'll see if he's a vast improvement or not.

But thus far, I'm not convinced he can deliver positive change.

Also he seems extremely confrontational to warn that he is about to drain the swamp

I don't see how that could unify your country but will do the opposite.

It wasn't exactly a message of conciliation or healing of a divided nation.

But I think the Bush years really ruined America & are the root of its deep divisions today.

Quote from: JOE on November 11, 2024, 12:19:56 AMIf Trump turns out better than expected, I could change my mind Dove Dove

We'll see if he's a vast improvement or not.

But thus far, I'm not convinced he can deliver positive change.

Also he seems extremely confrontational to warn that he is about to drain the swamp

I don't see how that could unify your country but will do the opposite.

It wasn't exactly a message of conciliation or healing of a divided nation.

But I think the Bush years really ruined America & are the root of its deep divisions today.

Your idea of positive change is vastly different to ours. This is Trump helping future generations and those to come, and putting them on the right path from the outset.

Your mob and the "A-list" WOKE Hollywood set a dangerous precedent in trying to divide a nation.

Even today Trump has been in conversation with Putin and working towards ending the war in the Ukraine that the US unanimously condemns.

Thank goodness the majority of good Americans saw fit to elect the right person for the job Joe!

Let's pray...

Quote from: JOE on November 11, 2024, 12:19:56 AMIf Trump turns out better than expected, I could change my mind Dove Dove

We'll see if he's a vast improvement or not.

But thus far, I'm not convinced he can deliver positive change.

Also he seems extremely confrontational to warn that he is about to drain the swamp

I don't see how that could unify your country but will do the opposite.

It wasn't exactly a message of conciliation or healing of a divided nation.

But I think the Bush years really ruined America & are the root of its deep divisions today.

 You are complaining about Bush's division and war...and since Bush it's been democrats running the country and all we have had is intense division and war.

 How did all the years between Bush and now mend that division and war?

 What have the democrats done in all their years having US government seats to mend division in this country?

 Have you seen the way they lie and fear monger?

 Joe you just complained that a president elect is strongly promising to do what 75 million Americans voted him in to do. You realize that, right?

 WE have tried to mend division with conversations and reasoning. Fixing division stopped being a priority for us a long time ago. You know what is a priority? Getting corruption out of out government.

 Do you think whipping people up into furry and fear and calling Americans actual nazis and racists was good for unity? You wanna see that party still in the drivers seat?

 The American people don't and it looks like many people all over the western world agree with us

 You are worried about division, and war mongering? Well rest easy, Joe. We now have the most peaceful US president in my lifetime back in office after most of the country voted for him.

 Don't you forget....he won the popular and electoral votes. Looks like we had more unity in 2024 than we had in a long time.

 "The media is the enemy of the people"

 https://youtube.com/shorts/jnrpG98OsGg?si=mkHm5XoiXeKQAPH-

 Yep. Now we have people who who've had their brains scrambled by the constant hatred and fear mongering that they are having meltdowns, crying and screaming in videos, who believe they are about to lose all their rights and that nazis just took over thr country.

 It's unhinged and grotesque.

 And how does that remove and disrespect their autonomy? When you lie to people and gaslight them to get them to make a certain  choice, and make it very hard for them to access the truth, they are not making their own choice.

 It's sad and disgusting.

 Yesterday Admin was telling me I was willfully dumb because I know Trump never called covid a hoax. I showed him 3 different fact checkers explaining how Trump was calling the democrat response to him a hoax. Not calling covid a hoax.
 
 Then he said "next you'll be telling me he didn't call Mexicans rapists"

 And these things have been debunked and addressed so many times. He is a grown adult and WANTS to believe this shit. Right with all the evidence and facts of what actually said and he still clings to that narrative.

 I get tired of people who believe everyone should fall in line with lies so we can have "unity". 

 We need to get all that corruption out of government and better standards in media.

Quote from: Dove on November 11, 2024, 07:13:19 AMYou are complaining about Bush's division and war...and since Bush it's been democrats running the country and all we have had is intense division and war.

 How did all the years between Bush and now mend that division and war?

 What have the democrats done in all their years having US government seats to mend division in this country?

 Have you seen the way they lie and fear monger?

 Joe you just complained that a president elect is strongly promising to do what 75 million Americans voted him in to do. You realize that, right?

 WE have tried to mend division with conversations and reasoning. Fixing division stopped being a priority for us a long time ago. You know what is a priority? Getting corruption out of out government.

 Do you think whipping people up into furry and fear and calling Americans actual nazis and racists was good for unity? You wanna see that party still in the drivers seat?

 The American people don't and it looks like many people all over the western world agree with us

 You are worried about division, and war mongering? Well rest easy, Joe. We now have the most peaceful US president in my lifetime back in office after most of the country voted for him.

 Don't you forget....he won the popular and electoral votes. Looks like we had more unity in 2024 than we had in a long time.

This is one of Joe's favourite trolling points. People have explained to him that Clinton, and Biden supported the war in Iraq and that Clinton's policy of lending money to people who cannot pay it back lead to the sub prime crisis which caused the global financial crisis.

He is not a serious poster. What separates him from say Flynn, is Joe gets his jollies from derailing our serious discussions. He is a forum cancer and he really needs to find something else to do besides that and post lies about his life on message boards.  Trolls don't read other people's posts.

I have him on ignore. You should consider doing the same.

Quote from: DKG on November 11, 2024, 08:40:23 AMThis is one of Joe's favourite trolling points. People have explained to him that Clinton, and Biden supported the war in Iraq and that Clinton's policy of lending money to people who cannot pay it back lead to the sub prime crisis which caused the global financial crisis.

Quote"The subprime mortgage crisis occurred when banks sold too many mortgages to feed the demand for mortgage-backed securities sold through the secondary market. When home prices fell in 2006, it triggered defaults.

The risk spread into mutual funds, pension funds, and corporations who owned these derivatives. The ensuing 2007 banking crisis and the 2008 financial crisis produced the worst recession since the Great Depression."

It wasn't caused by poor people. They were/are scapegoats for the financial industry criminals who knowingly packaged toxic securities and other derivatives because of sheer greed and an attitude of impunity.

Of course that attitude of impunity was well founded as we saw by Obama's decision to bail out Wall Street and give Main Street naught but the middle finger. Essentially the criminals were rewarded and the cost of their crimes was tossed onto the backs of ordinary citizens.

It was yet another upward wealth transfer; a hallmark of the USA's entire approach to "governance".

Quote"The first warning of the danger of mortgage-backed securities and other derivatives came on February 21, 2003. That's when Warren Buffett wrote to his shareholders, "In our view, however, derivatives are financial weapons of mass destruction, carrying dangers that, while now latent, are potentially lethal.""

They knew.
They did it anyway.
They should all be in fucking jail.


https://www.thebalancemoney.com/subprime-mortgage-crisis-effect-and-timeline-3305745

Hey josephine, your gold and silver dropped again today. PWN3D! 

Shoulda sold when I told you, dumb ass!

Quote from: Garraty_47 on November 11, 2024, 09:19:34 AMIt wasn't caused by poor people. They were/are scapegoats for the financial industry criminals who knowingly packaged toxic securities and other derivatives because of sheer greed and an attitude of impunity.

I agree with you. Mostly. Up till the part where you place all of the blame on banks. That is where we differ slightly. Banks indeed are culpable and were in fact the henchmen which carried out will of their puppet masters. 

But they were PLACED in this situation in 1995 by democrat scum via the Community Reinvestment Act of 1995.

This act mandated that banks FIND A WAY to provision loans in low income communities which were estimated to be predominately people of color or face stiff penalties. black and brown People are poor because white people exist!  Typical democrat scum mantra.

The government never worked on any of the underlying issues which were causing homes to be unaffordable to these  people of color. they instead opted to blame the evil corporate empire and mandated their way out of the issue. But they never told banks HOW they were to lend 300,000.00 over a 360 month term at a 7.25% interest rate to a person making 24K a year and keep the principle, homeowners insurance, PMI, interest and Taxes under the 35% of take home pay threshold.

a 24K annual salary estimates at approximately 1590.00 month when you factor in a conservative state and federal taxation of roughly 19% based on the lower income bracket.

So banks had to devise a way to make a monthly mortgage payment not exceed 1590.00 a month. A number which represents a stark variance from prudent budgetary practices for the common American.

And even THIS number was unattainable given the purchase price, term and ancillary expenses which I listed above.

As any online mortgage calculator will tell you, given the factors I listed above (300,000 / 360 @ 7.25) with modest calculations for taxes, insurance, pmi etc etc you should arrive at a monthly payment of 2,739.

2739.00 exceeds the borrowers total monthly income by 1,149.00. so what does the bank do about that 1,1149.00 ? do they take the loss? Hell to the no. THey were never told to do that. They just tack it on to the tail end of the loan so that the poor borrowers principle goes UP every month instead of down. Commonly known as negative amortization. Thus the birth of the ""balloon mortgage" the term coined because the principle keeps growing and growing and growing until one day the whole thing just pops.

and did the democrats know this would happen? I'd expect they did if they had access to a simple calculator -- but they just didn't care. They didn't care because the common idiots marveled at their accomplishments -- Poor Americans buying their first home!!!! All the talking heads applauded as we on the right, with common fucking sense, shook our heads in horror as to what would inevitably befall the American people.

and in 2008 those chickens finally came home to roost