Quote from: Frood on November 18, 2024, 07:54:43 AMRussian nuclear arsenal has been updated to a large degree and their hypersonic Zircon missiles can't be adequately intercepted (top speed mach 8 or 9), particularly from their Yasen Class subs.Their Avangard hypersonic glide vehicles can carry MIRV payloads at over Mach 25 from long range missiles.

Russia has the larger and better arsenal.

The US is still fixing up old gear and their track record on hypersonic development if to be believed, it's pretty wonky. The US also has a slightly smaller arsenal.

I dont think that matters much. America has enough to smoke the fuk outta Russia and China. Sure, more of America will take direct hits but everyone will be fubar'd.

Quote from: Biggie Smiles on November 18, 2024, 08:28:33 AMJust one nuke going off in a US city changes the world as we know it

LOL! Yea it does! No more democRATs winning elections!!! Just as long as its New York, LA, Chicago, or Minneapolis!

Quote from: Garraty_47 on November 18, 2024, 09:59:29 AMOh he's down with WW3 too; he'd only rather it kicked off with China or in the middle east.

/shrug

I doubt it. He wont be bullied into bitching out over it though.

At any rate, nobody can do shit to prevent it so if its gonna happen, its gonna happen. Orange man will get smoked in WW3 like everyone else and he knows it.

Let us wait and see and not get anxious I am sure that is what Biden wants everyone to feel. Don't give that gnarly old bastard another thought.

Quote from: Lokmar on November 18, 2024, 10:26:58 AMI dont think that matters much. America has enough to smoke the fuk outta Russia and China. Sure, more of America will take direct hits but everyone will be fubar'd.

Russia has metro nuclear shelters still maintained. America has nothing for the civilians.

Quote from: Frood on November 18, 2024, 05:17:04 PMRussia has metro nuclear shelters still maintained. America has nothing for the civilians.

I dont think that will make much of a difference. Some of it will survive, but Moscow in particular is gonna get pounded into oblivion just like DC. Our military has plenty of info on where Russian leadership will be and those spots will get pounded multiple times just like ours will. Cheyenne Mountain for example, will be a pile of rubble.

Quote from: Lokmar on November 18, 2024, 05:41:02 PMI dont think that will make much of a difference. Some of it will survive, but Moscow in particular is gonna get pounded into oblivion just like DC. Our military has plenty of info on where Russian leadership will be and those spots will get pounded multiple times just like ours will. Cheyenne Mountain for example, will be a pile of rubble.

Russia has deep METRO shelters for the majority of population.

The US has virtually none. Do you get it?

Quote from: Frood on November 18, 2024, 06:04:57 PMRussia has deep METRO shelters for the majority of population.

The US has virtually none. Do you get it?

Nope. Those deep shelters wont save their population. I've read about their shelters under moscow. Those wont survive.

They're known and they're targeted.

I think Frood is impressed with Putins Russia.

Check this out Lokmar and Frood..

Go to the 50.30 minute mark.

Quote from: Lokmar on November 18, 2024, 07:21:38 PMNope. Those deep shelters wont save their population. I've read about their shelters under moscow. Those wont survive.

They're known and they're targeted.

You're overly optimistic and patriotic.

Quote from: Frood on November 18, 2024, 11:31:34 PMYou're overly optimistic and patriotic.

The physics of a direct hit by a nuclear missile arent optimistic. Even our standard non nuclear bunker busters can reach passed 200 feet. While there is no public knowledge proving it, it is assumed that we have nuclear bunker busters that were developed with dark funding. The locations of many of the entrances and layouts to these tunnels have been published. Much more is likely known. Now I'm sure the Russians have remote locations under mountains that are survivable, but Vlad Q Public aint gonna be there!

Russian equipment has always been inferior to the USA's superior equipment. I think back to all the subs, tanks, airplanes, and assorted weaponry we've seen come from the USSR for the last 80 years. It was all over rated. The Kinsal missile that was supposed to be the dagger in the wests heart turned out to be slower and less advanced than air claimed by Russia. We got our hands on one so we're well aware of its capabilities. There's also the fact that our anti missile batteries shot one of these impossible to shoot missiles out of the sky.

The US population is screwed but if we had underground bunkers, they wouldnt work in large cities that are prime targets either. Besides, after you put yourself in that hole, you have to live in it and feed everyone. I think the best chance of surviveability is to live in and area away from a direct blast and not immediately downwind of one.

visit https://www.nukepills.com/ and https://atlassurvivalshelters.com/ if you have the money to prep.

Quote from: Lokmar on November 19, 2024, 12:38:42 AMThe physics of a direct hit by a nuclear missile arent optimistic. Even our standard non nuclear bunker busters can reach passed 200 feet. While there is no public knowledge proving it, it is assumed that we have nuclear bunker busters that were developed with dark funding. The locations of many of the entrances and layouts to these tunnels have been published. Much more is likely known. Now I'm sure the Russians have remote locations under mountains that are survivable, but Vlad Q Public aint gonna be there!

Russian equipment has always been inferior to the USA's superior equipment. I think back to all the subs, tanks, airplanes, and assorted weaponry we've seen come from the USSR for the last 80 years. It was all over rated. The Kinsal missile that was supposed to be the dagger in the wests heart turned out to be slower and less advanced than air claimed by Russia. We got our hands on one so we're well aware of its capabilities. There's also the fact that our anti missile batteries shot one of these impossible to shoot missiles out of the sky.

The US population is screwed but if we had underground bunkers, they wouldnt work in large cities that are prime targets either. Besides, after you put yourself in that hole, you have to live in it and feed everyone. I think the best chance of surviveability is to live in and area away from a direct blast and not immediately downwind of one.

visit https://www.nukepills.com/ and https://atlassurvivalshelters.com/ if you have the money to prep.

What I highlighted in red was once true but doesn't apply any longer. America put sufficient pressure on Russia after the breakup of the USSR to drive them into R&D on hypersonic, MIRV, and subs (manned and unmanned), as well as COG and civilian bunker infrastructure.

The US has chased it's tail.

I don't doubt that both nations would suffer immeasurably and the world at large, but more Russians would survive and emerge from their holes than the US... unless we're just talking about leaders and core personnel.

Quote from: caskur on November 18, 2024, 07:43:19 PMI think Frood is impressed with Putins Russia.

Check this out Lokmar and Frood..

Go to the 50.30 minute mark.

 God I love her. I really do. She's so passionate.

 When she tells you, you know you've been told lol.

 She is everything left wing women want to believe they are but fall way short of. Intelligent. Strong. Impactful.

 Could you imagine people like Oak and Murd who love to fancy themselves as educated, strong women who "intimidate" men having to go a few rounds with Kelly?

Quote from: Garraty_47 on November 18, 2024, 09:59:29 AMOh he's down with WW3 too; he'd only rather it kicked off with China or in the middle east.

/shrug

Sure hope not. We'd get our asses kicked

I thank all of you.. if the inevitable happens.