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Re: In Climate Change Debate The Truth Doesn't Matter

Started by BritishManwhore, December 30, 2012, 10:58:08 PM

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BritishManwhore

December 30, 2012, 10:58:08 PM
Yeah it's great how cherry picking one sentence from a report can dramatically alter the expected conclusion. It's almost like someone has an agenda to push, hmmmm.



I particularly like how the findings of the overwhelming majority of climate scientists is disregarded, UNLESS they say something that sounds like it matches up with your preconceived viewpoint. In that case, everything else they say is garbage apart from that one thing. Either you defer to people who are experts in the field, or you don't. You can't pick and choose.



Kinda like how Christians say the bible isn't meant to be taken literally, unless it opposes something they don't like (gays, abortion, etc).

Obvious Li

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December 30, 2012, 11:10:28 PM
Quote from: "BritishManwhore"Yeah it's great how cherry picking one sentence from a report can dramatically alter the expected conclusion. It's almost like someone has an agenda to push, hmmmm.



I particularly like how the findings of the overwhelming majority of climate scientists is disregarded, UNLESS they say something that sounds like it matches up with your preconceived viewpoint. In that case, everything else they say is garbage apart from that one thing. Either you defer to people who are experts in the field, or you don't. You can't pick and choose.



Kinda like how Christians say the bible isn't meant to be taken literally, unless it opposes something they don't like (gays, abortion, etc).




WTF are you babbling on about.......like every other issue......if you want to know who is lying ....follow the money............once climate scientists discovered there was an unlimited supply of grant funding if they sided with the man made global warming gang, then it was no holds barred....you want a report saying the earth was warming, the polar bears dying, the glaciers melting...no problem our university needs a new science wing....ok here's the money.......it became a spiral to the bottom of the bowl, each bogus report outdoing the other.....until they got caught....now they are switching to phrases like "climate change" "sustainability" and other bullshit words to try and deflect their lack of integrity....it's too late...the jig is up...we know

BritishManwhore

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December 31, 2012, 12:34:11 AM
Neither of you addressed my post, just went into a biased tirade haha. I don't have much of an opinion about climate change. I'm not a scientist and I'm guessing neither of you are. The idea that there is more money pushing climate change is probably the funniest thing I've read all day!

BritishManwhore

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December 31, 2012, 12:58:00 AM
You really think university budgets compare with the biggest industry in the world? I don't know where coal and gas come in the rankings but they are probably also pretty high up there.



You didn't address my point tho. The report concludes that climate change is real. The sentence cherry picked in the article above doesn't change their conclusion. So why do you believe the wrong interpretation of that sentence, and disregard the rest of the report? There is logic to that, unless you're being deliberately misleading.

Obvious Li

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December 31, 2012, 06:15:41 AM
Quote from: "BritishManwhore"Neither of you addressed my post, just went into a biased tirade haha. I don't have much of an opinion about climate change. I'm not a scientist and I'm guessing neither of you are. The idea that there is more money pushing climate change is probably the funniest thing I've read all day!




ya i guess you don't know a hell of a lot about the issue....and have little interest in learning...but really the funniest thing is people like you, who have an opinion on just about everything...with no knowledge to back it up......it is typical of your ilk and a pretty sad commentary on you personally .....if you want to discuss issues at least have the courtesy to pick up a newspaper or go online to educate yourself..........

BritishManwhore

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December 31, 2012, 11:45:48 AM
Yeah I guess my problem is I believe scientists rather than conservative journalists. That's my bad I guess.

Obvious Li

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December 31, 2012, 11:52:40 AM
Quote from: "BritishManwhore"Yeah I guess my problem is I believe scientists rather than conservative journalists. That's my bad I guess.




i don't know if it is your "bad" or not (whatever that is).... it means that when you read in the news or on the news that the climate mongers were caught lying and manipulating their data to alarm people /gvts. etc to raise funding from the hard core believers....and you still believe their data, what would you reasonably expect someone to think about your abilities to critically analyze an issue......i mean normally i would just call you a stupid cunt.....but this being the good forum i would merely encourage you to re-read the data available our there in the news universe....

BritishManwhore

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December 31, 2012, 12:12:48 PM
Again, because some journalist framed it that way doesn't mean I'm going to listen to them, or you. There is a scientific consensus. No amount of nitpicking and twisting words is going to change that. You can keep calling me names though if you think it makes your case somehow.

Obvious Li

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December 31, 2012, 12:22:27 PM
Quote from: "BritishManwhore"Again, because some journalist framed it that way doesn't mean I'm going to listen to them, or you. There is a scientific consensus. No amount of nitpicking and twisting words is going to change that. You can keep calling me names though if you think it makes your case somehow.




no your wrong...... i don't have a case to make.....the case is made....it is self evident........there can't be two people on the planet that think like Homero... so i presume you are posting under a new name....it is too much of a waste of my time dealing with one of you so austa la vista baby.....[attachment=0]smiley-toilet07.gif[/attachment]

Romero

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December 31, 2012, 01:44:08 PM
The majority of people understand that global warming has been caused by man. One day you and Shen Li will too. Many deniers have finally accepted that the world is in fact warming.

Obvious Li

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December 31, 2012, 04:42:55 PM
Quote from: "Romero"The majority of people understand that global warming has been caused by man. One day you and Shen Li will too. Many deniers have finally accepted that the world is in fact warming.




ok homy i will toss out the easiest softball for you.......so please give it an honest response:



daily you will hear the "global warming caused by man" (GWCBM) proponents make the following comments.....



this is the warmest it has been since 1889

most hurricanes since 1877

most tornadoes since 1822

most ice cap melting since 1450



you get the point...............my question is this.....



by virtue of the fact that this has been the worst since means by definition that it was worse before that date......that is irrefutable......how is that possible if there were no people and no industry way back when.....pls explain

BritishManwhore

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December 31, 2012, 05:30:56 PM
Quote from: "Shen Li"
Quote from: "BritishManwhore"Yeah I guess my problem is I believe scientists rather than conservative journalists. That's my bad I guess.

You believe the scientists except for the thousands of scientists that know AGW is grossly exaggerated.



Western governments love sheeple like you. :lol:


Thousands of climate scientists think climate change is bullshit? Really? Where are these people, please point them out as presumably they have an organisation if they are that big

BritishManwhore

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December 31, 2012, 06:37:19 PM
Ahhh so not thousands of climate scientists, just general ones who haven't studied it for decades like the experts. I'm sure there are tens of thousands of "scientists" who don't believe in evolution. Probably not that many evolutionary scientists tho.



Maybe your problem is you treat all sources as equal, whether they are a conspiracy theory journalist with phd in biblical studies, or a climate scientist who has devoted his life to his studies?

Anonymous

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December 31, 2012, 07:06:02 PM Last Edit: December 31, 2012, 07:25:52 PM by Anonymous
I am some place in the middle between the two extremes. Shen Li and Obvious Li are saying that the money trail is all on the proving global warming is totally man made which is not true. There is plenty of money "fuelling" the skeptic side too. On the other hand, BritishManwhore is saying that man is totally responsible for global warming and all scientists agree 100% on it's cause and solution which is equally misleading.



The op's article shows there are other causes of global temperature changes besides C02 produced by man. Also, this isn't the first time temperature has changed nor is it the most dramatic change. Rather than trying to stop climate change we should be learning to adapt to changing weather patterns. Trying to stop all fossil fuel usage globally is an exercise in futility.

BritishManwhore

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December 31, 2012, 07:23:29 PM
I didn't say that at all
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