Quote from: Herman on November 18, 2025, 08:29:04 PMThe senate voted to release the Epstein files. It goes to Trump's desk for his signature.

it made it to the senate already?

I thought it was just the house that voted today

In any event, Trump better not cower or cave when it comes to putting his john Hancock on that bill

Quote from: Biggie Smiles on November 18, 2025, 08:31:31 PMit made it to the senate already?

I thought it was just the house that voted today

In any event, Trump better not cower or cave when it comes to putting his john Hancock on that bill

Maybe I read it wrong. But, I do know Trump and Johnson now support releasing all the Epstein files.

Quote from: Herman on November 18, 2025, 08:41:58 PMBut, I do know Trump and Johnson now support releasing all the Epstein files.

Only when they had no other choice due to popular pressure from voters of all kinds.

Johnson could have stayed neutral and avoided a lot of scrutiny but no, he had to propose doing a "unanimous consent" vote which would have avoided putting the votes of individual house members on a permanent record; the only reason to do that was to protect house members from either publicly splitting from Trump or being forever known as a pedo protector.

Trump only 'encouraged' house republicans to vote *for* the bill when it became undeniable that not only was it going to pass but many republicans were going to vote for it despite all Trump's rhetoric about it being a "democrat hoax" etc. which would have been yet another blow to the perception of his power/influence within his own party (and to his ego). He may have sidestepped the problem of needing to ragepoast at dozens of house republicans as he's already been doing to Greene and Massie but his sudden 180° attitude toward the release of the files will no doubt cause some damage all by itself.

This whole debacle could have been easily avoided by releasing all the files already instead of handing the democrats a bludgeon to hit Trump and the republicans with against which they really can't effectively defend themselves without looking even worse than they do now.

Play stupid games; win stupid prizes.

Maybe it is like old Biggie says that Trump might have been purposely holding back allowing democRATs to make a big holy stink about releasing them.