Quote from: Biggie Smiles on December 02, 2025, 01:34:00 PMBro -- I seen waitresses working at Applebees after graduating a 4 year university and buried in the resultant debt

now I am not saying that being a waitress is not an honorable line of work.. but one certainly does not need a 4 year degree and 100K student loans to take dinner orders.

what a fucking scam

then when you look around and see that universities in this country have produced utter dimwits like Oak and Lotusdunce you can really see the end to that rabbit hole being nothing but a stopped up cesspool

And yet, I don't see why a 4 year degree couldn't include trades training or skills development Biggie Smiles Bigly.

ie - Why couldn't a Mechanical Engineer or Industrial Design degree include machinist training? I've met a few like that who could do both

Or how about Electrician training for Electrical Engineers? Likewise Computer Engineers?

Or how about teaching Architects and Interior designers to become General Contractors and tradesman as part of their training?

A Landscape Arechitect can train to be a horticulturist or arborist too. etc

I agree. The days of sitting behind a desk strictly pushing papers or looking at a computer screen aint gonna cut it anymore.

These 4 year degrees gonna have to include hands on skills.

They have to up their game to be more practical and competitive in the workforce.

Unfortunately, the workplace is getting to be a smaller, more crowded place and reductionism is in.

They need fewer people for whatever jobs are left.

Still think the schools, even high schools should teach student business or self employment skills as a mandatory part of getting their diplomas.

And you may think the idea of giving graduating students a $1000 investor account is stupid, but that's what your President Trump proposed.

I figger, it might boost the high school graduation rates.

If students aren't just being made to feel that high school is just a chore, but there's a reward for them at the end, they might try harder.

Quote from: JOE on Today at 05:05:25 PMAnd yet, I don't see why a 4 year degree couldn't include trades training or skills development Biggie Smiles Bigly.

There used to be something like that, it was called 'Working your way through college'.