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UN says Trudeau’s emissions impossible

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Quote from: "seoulbro"Trudeau and his environment minister are idiots.

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Justine's carbon tax kicked in today. Gas prices are up. We got to make that guy a part time drama teacher again.

Thiel

Today was the first day of Justin's forced carbon tax on Manitobans. it will save the planet, lol.
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Anonymous

Quote from: "Thiel"Today was the first day of Justin's forced carbon tax on Manitobans. it will save the planet, lol.

This is our third year of a carbon tax on everything..



It's gotten a lot more expensive to heat and power our home..



Alberta has has a carbon tax on industrial emitters for about fifteen years.

Anonymous

Quote from: "Thiel"Today was the first day of Justin's forced carbon tax on Manitobans. it will save the planet, lol.

We got hit with it too in Ontario. The same day, that the department climate Barbie(Catherine McKenna) heads announces Canada is warming faster than the rest of the world. Ya, picking the pockets of the average citizens will cool the country. The government is disingenuous slime.



https://globalnews.ca/news/5119325/canada-warming-rate-environment-canada/">https://globalnews.ca/news/5119325/cana ... nt-canada/">https://globalnews.ca/news/5119325/canada-warming-rate-environment-canada/

Anonymous

Jocelyn Bamford is the founder of the Coalition of Concerned Manufacturers and Businesses of Ontario.



Business associations shouldn't be backing the federal carbon tax



Contrary to Justin Trudeau's claim of just a few years ago, budgets don't actually balance themselves: revenues have to equal expenditures for that to happen.



Given that, it is not surprising that after running up an enormous deficit in less than four years the Trudeau government is looking to put its hands in our pockets again with the federal carbon tax. Though presented as revenue neutral, the reality will be handouts to some and hidden rising costs for all.



Of particular note will be the hit to business competitiveness. Or at least the competitiveness of some businesses: one wonders how many large corporations have exemptions of one kind or another.



Why do we say that? Well why else would some of the various trade associations in the country repeatedly make clear their support for the tax?



How many people realize that there are industry groups out there declaring their support for carbon taxes, and then working out special exemptions because they are "energy-intensive industries" who compete in international markets with players who don't pay carbon taxes.



So in other words, they say "we're for carbon taxes but we don't want to pay them". Any hypocrisy there? So who will pay them? This is the ongoing trick with the carbon tax — it is hard to tell. But let me tell you that we know small to medium sized businesses will be hit hard. This tax is going to be devastating to the competitiveness of these companies — and that is really, really bad for Canada. If I belonged to any association that supported a carbon tax I would resign my membership immediately, full stop.



Large companies need to remember that while they are negotiating exemptions they are also throwing small to medium businesses under the bus: they are decimating their supply chains, killing the entrepreneurialism that ultimately provides talent to them, and hurting the innovation that flourishes in small enterprises — innovation from which they eventually benefit.



Carbon taxes are not revenue neutral — the B.C. case shows that. They do not change behavior — European case studies show that. They do not have an impact on emissions — all kinds of cases prove that.



What they do is drive up costs, subsidize ineffective alternatives, and give government another pool of money to pay for their pet projects.



The time has come for Canadian business to come together, to realize government is trying to divide and conquer us to advance their interests, and to realize our trade associations do us no favours by bowing before government to get access instead of calling them out when their actions are against our interests.



Monday was April Fool's Day and we got played for fools. We will see Trudeau's new tax launched despite massive opposition from provinces and informed citizens. We have to stand up and stop this and his many other anti-competitive policies that so hurt the future of our country.

Anonymous

Quote from: "seoulbro"
Quote from: "Thiel"Today was the first day of Justin's forced carbon tax on Manitobans. it will save the planet, lol.

We got hit with it too in Ontario. The same day, that the department climate Barbie(Catherine McKenna) heads announces Canada is warming faster than the rest of the world. Ya, picking the pockets of the average citizens will cool the country. The government is disingenuous slime.



https://globalnews.ca/news/5119325/canada-warming-rate-environment-canada/">https://globalnews.ca/news/5119325/cana ... nt-canada/">https://globalnews.ca/news/5119325/canada-warming-rate-environment-canada/

What a coincidence.

 :001_rolleyes:

Anonymous

Here are the costs of Trudeau's virtue signalling carbon cash grab on working families.


QuoteHouseholds in Alberta, Saskatchewan and Nova Scotia will be hit with more than $1,000 of carbon tax per year, while those in British Columbia, Quebec and Manitoba will pay around $650



It took some poking and prodding and (finally) committee testimony, but now we know what the bill will be for a $50-per-tonne carbon tax, similar to one the federal Liberals plan to impose. In a report to the Senate Standing Committee on Energy, the Environment and Natural Resources, University of Calgary economics professor Jennifer Winter revealed the bottom line of a $50-per-tonne carbon price.



Using energy-consumption data from Statistics Canada, and imputing prices from average household expenditure on transportation fuels and provincial gasoline prices, Winter calculated the impact of a a $50-per-tonne model of a carbon tax on a typical Canadian household across different provinces. Far from being painless as advertised, the costs to households will be significant.



Three provinces — Alberta, Saskatchewan and Nova Scotia — will be hit with more than $1,000 of carbon tax per year to comply with the $50-per-tonne carbon tax Ottawa has mandated for 2022. Nova Scotia ($1,120) and Alberta ($1,111) will have the highest bills, followed by Saskatchewan ($1,032), New Brunswick ($963), Newfoundland ($859) and Prince Edward Island ($788). The average household in Ontario will pay $707 a year to comply with the carbon tax once its fully implemented.



Who gets the lowest bill? British Columbia ($603 per year), Quebec ($662) and Manitoba ($683). Simply put, households in provinces with the lowest bills will pay just a bit more than half compared to households in the hardest-hit provinces.



But it gets worse, since most experts say carbon prices must continue to increase sharply to effectively lower emissions. At $100 a tonne, for example, households in Alberta will pony up $2,223, in Saskatchewan they'll pay $2,065 and in Nova Scotia, $2,240. In fact, at $100 a tonne, the average price for households in all provinces is well north of $1,000 per year.



Already across Canada, particularly in the Maritimes, a significant number of households fit the definition of "energy poverty" — that is, 10 per cent or more of household expenditures are spent simply procuring the energy needed to live (to power the home and transportation). In 2016, the Fraser Institute measured energy poverty in Canada and found that when you add up the costs to power the home and cars, 19.4 per cent of Canadian households devoted at least 10 per cent or more of their expenditures to energy.

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