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COVID-19 >> New Drug Activity & VACCINE TRACKING!!

Started by cc, January 26, 2020, 09:18:38 PM

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Anonymous

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Yes, but let's not get personal / judgmental  and stick to debunking the items alone.



He doesn't take disagreement to "personal" so why would we?

Yeah, but at times it seems that he takes it personally when we pick apart his fake sources. Don't get me wrong, I like Blaze a lot. You know that.


I did get that feeling of late that pointing out flaws in what he brought forward was being taken personally  .. it was just a feeling that something was different .. but I chalked it up to the current horrific issue and tried to go gently.



Exposing the last issue (the site that grabs and distorts data and conveniently doesn't show what the data actually meant  .. was so clear ... so clear as to be even embarrassing  .. a part of me didn't want to post it when he had such on his plate



Ya, I do know that you like him also. We all like him. I sure hope he does give us another try when he's able to

I can't believe he posted that last link. Somebody had to point out the obvious to him. It could be he is not seeing things clearly right now.

cc

That site is high on the "Conspiracy Inc." list & accepted by most so inclined because it says what they want to hear
I really tried to warn y\'all in 49  .. G. Orwell

Anonymous

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That site is high on the "Conspiracy Inc." list & accepted by most so inclined because it says what they want to hear

Supply answering the demand.

Anonymous

Quote from: cc post_id=422488 time=1633454416 user_id=88
That site is high on the "Conspiracy Inc." list & accepted by most so inclined because it says what they want to hear

No doubt.

Breakfall

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Hahahahahaaa...I'm only testing the waters mate!

You??  .. that's hilarious  :roll:



You are not bright enough to even test these waters ... much less swim within them





Go play in the sandbox with the other "dink" where you can "hold your own" ... or his

Sorry I missed this reply cunt. That is all.

Anonymous

Read what this joker has to say.



Harvard researcher finds absolutely no correlation between vax rates and COVID cases globally

https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz-harvard-researcher-finds-absolutely-no-correlation-between-vax-rates-and-covid-cases-globally?utm_source=theblaze-breaking&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20211005SponsoredTrending-MedTranscription&utm_term=ACTIVE%20LIST%20-%20TheBlaze%20Breaking%20News">https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz ... ing%20News">https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz-harvard-researcher-finds-absolutely-no-correlation-between-vax-rates-and-covid-cases-globally?utm_source=theblaze-breaking&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20211005SponsoredTrending-MedTranscription&utm_term=ACTIVE%20LIST%20-%20TheBlaze%20Breaking%20News



a Harvard researcher could not find any correlation between vaccination rates and COVID case rates after examining 68 countries and 2,947 counties in the United States. "At the country-level, there appears to be no discernible relationship between percentage of population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases in the last 7 days," concluded the authors in the study published in the European Journal of Epidemiology. "In fact, the trend line suggests a marginally positive association such that countries with higher percentage of population fully vaccinated have higher COVID-19 cases per 1 million people."



Notably, Israel with over 60% of their population fully vaccinated had the highest COVID-19 cases per 1 million people in the last 7 days. The lack of a meaningful association between percentage population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases is further exemplified, for instance, by comparison of Iceland and Portugal. Both countries have over 75% of their population fully vaccinated and have more COVID-19 cases per 1 million people than countries such as Vietnam and South Africa that have around 10% of their population fully vaccinated.



Of the top 5 counties that have the highest percentage of population fully vaccinated (99.9–84.3%), the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) identifies 4 of them as "High" Transmission counties. Chattahoochee (Georgia), McKinley (New Mexico), and Arecibo (Puerto Rico) counties have above 90% of their population fully vaccinated with all three being classified as "High" transmission. Conversely, of the 57 counties that have been classified as "low" transmission counties by the CDC, 26.3% (15) have percentage of population fully vaccinated below 20%.



It's also important to keep in mind that when calculating the data, the authors used a sensitivity analysis by applying a one-month lag on the percentage population fully vaccinated so that people wouldn't be considered fully vaccinated until 14 days after the second dose. However, studies have shown that this is the most vulnerable time for getting the virus. Why should that be blamed on the lack of vaccination rather than on the vaccine? So if anything, the numbers are likely even more unfavorable to the vaccine than this analysis suggests.



"The sole reliance on vaccination as a primary strategy to mitigate COVID-19 and its adverse consequences needs to be re-examined, especially considering the Delta (B.1.617.2) variant and the likelihood of future variants," conclude the authors, including the lead researcher from Harvard's Center for Population and Development Studies and a student researcher from Canada. The study did not factor in which vaccine predominated in a given country, but rather looked at the top-line vaccination rates, which include several vaccines that likely vary in terms of effectiveness.



How can these mandates hold up in court given that they likely don't even pass the rational basis test of fulfilling a state's vital interest of stopping the spread of a virus?



A July study of Israel perfectly embodies the complete lack of efficacy from this vaccine, especially in recent months. In a study published in a European CDC journal, Israeli researchers in one hospital found studies a serious outbreak among a group of patients and staff of whom 96% were vaccinated. 42 patients and staff wound up getting COVID from a vaccinated dialysis patient who had an extremely high viral load. According to the authors, "Of the 42 cases diagnosed in this outbreak, 38 were fully vaccinated with two doses of the Comirnaty vaccine, one was recovered with one vaccination and three were unvaccinated." All patients and family members wore surgical masks and all staff wore N-95s with face shields and gloves.



Overall, "Among the patients (median age: 77 years; range: 42–93; median time from second vaccine dose to infection: 176 days; range: 143-188), eight became severely ill, six critically ill and five of the critically ill died." All of the unvaccinated cases were described as mild, even though one of them was in his 80s. The Israelis are using this to push for boosters, but what it really demonstrates is that the vaccine has been a dud, especially for those who needed it the most.



The reality is that the notion that protection against serious illness is holding up, even as the vaccinated spread the virus more than ever, is collapsing by the day. According to the Associated Press, hospitalizations are surging in New England. The five states with the highest percentage of a fully vaccinated population are all in New England. At some point, it becomes hard to blame a worse spread than pre-vaccination on the few remaining unvaccinated adults without first investigating whether the vaccine itself made the virus worse.

Anonymous

The exact number of breakthrough cases, in fact, is not even known. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention stopped tracking that data in May. The agency has continued, however, to track hospitalizations and deaths among the fully vaccinated crowd. As of Sept. 27, the CDC reported "22,115 patients with COVID-19 vaccine breakthrough infection who were hospitalized or died."

Anonymous

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Read what this joker has to say.



Harvard researcher finds absolutely no correlation between vax rates and COVID cases globally

https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz-harvard-researcher-finds-absolutely-no-correlation-between-vax-rates-and-covid-cases-globally?utm_source=theblaze-breaking&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20211005SponsoredTrending-MedTranscription&utm_term=ACTIVE%20LIST%20-%20TheBlaze%20Breaking%20News">https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz ... ing%20News">https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz-harvard-researcher-finds-absolutely-no-correlation-between-vax-rates-and-covid-cases-globally?utm_source=theblaze-breaking&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20211005SponsoredTrending-MedTranscription&utm_term=ACTIVE%20LIST%20-%20TheBlaze%20Breaking%20News



a Harvard researcher could not find any correlation between vaccination rates and COVID case rates after examining 68 countries and 2,947 counties in the United States. "At the country-level, there appears to be no discernible relationship between percentage of population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases in the last 7 days," concluded the authors in the study published in the European Journal of Epidemiology. "In fact, the trend line suggests a marginally positive association such that countries with higher percentage of population fully vaccinated have higher COVID-19 cases per 1 million people."



Notably, Israel with over 60% of their population fully vaccinated had the highest COVID-19 cases per 1 million people in the last 7 days. The lack of a meaningful association between percentage population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases is further exemplified, for instance, by comparison of Iceland and Portugal. Both countries have over 75% of their population fully vaccinated and have more COVID-19 cases per 1 million people than countries such as Vietnam and South Africa that have around 10% of their population fully vaccinated.



Of the top 5 counties that have the highest percentage of population fully vaccinated (99.9–84.3%), the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) identifies 4 of them as "High" Transmission counties. Chattahoochee (Georgia), McKinley (New Mexico), and Arecibo (Puerto Rico) counties have above 90% of their population fully vaccinated with all three being classified as "High" transmission. Conversely, of the 57 counties that have been classified as "low" transmission counties by the CDC, 26.3% (15) have percentage of population fully vaccinated below 20%.



It's also important to keep in mind that when calculating the data, the authors used a sensitivity analysis by applying a one-month lag on the percentage population fully vaccinated so that people wouldn't be considered fully vaccinated until 14 days after the second dose. However, studies have shown that this is the most vulnerable time for getting the virus. Why should that be blamed on the lack of vaccination rather than on the vaccine? So if anything, the numbers are likely even more unfavorable to the vaccine than this analysis suggests.



"The sole reliance on vaccination as a primary strategy to mitigate COVID-19 and its adverse consequences needs to be re-examined, especially considering the Delta (B.1.617.2) variant and the likelihood of future variants," conclude the authors, including the lead researcher from Harvard's Center for Population and Development Studies and a student researcher from Canada. The study did not factor in which vaccine predominated in a given country, but rather looked at the top-line vaccination rates, which include several vaccines that likely vary in terms of effectiveness.



How can these mandates hold up in court given that they likely don't even pass the rational basis test of fulfilling a state's vital interest of stopping the spread of a virus?



A July study of Israel perfectly embodies the complete lack of efficacy from this vaccine, especially in recent months. In a study published in a European CDC journal, Israeli researchers in one hospital found studies a serious outbreak among a group of patients and staff of whom 96% were vaccinated. 42 patients and staff wound up getting COVID from a vaccinated dialysis patient who had an extremely high viral load. According to the authors, "Of the 42 cases diagnosed in this outbreak, 38 were fully vaccinated with two doses of the Comirnaty vaccine, one was recovered with one vaccination and three were unvaccinated." All patients and family members wore surgical masks and all staff wore N-95s with face shields and gloves.



Overall, "Among the patients (median age: 77 years; range: 42–93; median time from second vaccine dose to infection: 176 days; range: 143-188), eight became severely ill, six critically ill and five of the critically ill died." All of the unvaccinated cases were described as mild, even though one of them was in his 80s. The Israelis are using this to push for boosters, but what it really demonstrates is that the vaccine has been a dud, especially for those who needed it the most.



The reality is that the notion that protection against serious illness is holding up, even as the vaccinated spread the virus more than ever, is collapsing by the day. According to the Associated Press, hospitalizations are surging in New England. The five states with the highest percentage of a fully vaccinated population are all in New England. At some point, it becomes hard to blame a worse spread than pre-vaccination on the few remaining unvaccinated adults without first investigating whether the vaccine itself made the virus worse.

The data in Canada shows that the vaccinated are far less likely to be hopitalized and especially ICU admission.

Anonymous

The effectiveness of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine falls below 50 percent after five months, according to a new study published in The Lancet medical journal on Oct. 4.



The study (pdf), which was funded by Pfizer, aimed to evaluate the overall variant-specific effectiveness of the companies' vaccine against COVID-19-related hospital admissions over time.

cc

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a Harvard researcher could not find any correlation between vaccination rates and COVID case rates after examining 68 countries and 2,947 counties in the United States.

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Well, all I can say is that's miles away from what Ontario (who publishes numbers of cases for vaxxed & unvaxxed daily  & BC does also



Here's yesterday results - Yes I did post it yesterday but got not a single reply



Take a look at these numbers for BC with Delta Widespread[/b]



This removes the % vaxxed and unvaxxed from the equation & puts it to actual chances of infection & of hospitalization.

We are 81.7% fully vaxxed.



Past week, cases per 100,000 population (Sept. 27-Oct. 3)    

Not vaccinated: 297.3

Fully vaccinated: 35.1

= > (8.47 x greater chance)



Past two weeks, cases hospitalized per 100,000 population (Sept. 20 to Oct. 3)

Not vaccinated: 36.7

Fully vaccinated: 1.7

= > (21.588  x greater chance)



BC Govt Website - https://news.gov.bc.ca/releases/2021HLTH0060-001918">//https://news.gov.bc.ca/releases/2021HLTH0060-001918

Ontario posts similar results
I really tried to warn y\'all in 49  .. G. Orwell

cc

#4075
Quote from: Herman post_id=422530 time=1633494863 user_id=1689
a Harvard researcher could not find any correlation between vaccination rates and COVID case rates after examining 68 countries and 2,947 counties in the United States.

....................


Well, all I can say is that's miles away from what Ontario (who publishes numbers of cases for vaxxed & unvaxxed daily  & BC does also. Of late all I'm hearing here is negative  .. taking over from  the conspiracists postings



Here's BC results - Yes I did post it yesterday but got not a single reply .. not 1



Take a look at these numbers for BC Govt Website with Delta Widespread



Per 1000,000 people This removes the % vaxxed and unvaxxed distortion from the equation & puts it to actual chances of infection & of hospitalization.



Past week, cases per 100,000 population (Sept. 27-Oct. 3)    

Not vaccinated: 297.3

Fully vaccinated: 35.1

= > (8.47 x greater chance of infection)



Past two weeks, hospitalized per 100,000 population (Sept. 20 to Oct. 3)

Not vaccinated: 36.7

Fully vaccinated: 1.7

= > (21.588  x greater chance of hospitalization)



Quite a spread I'd say. ..... That's not "little difference"



BC Govt Website posts daily - https://news.gov.bc.ca/releases/2021HLTH0060-001918">//https://news.gov.bc.ca/releases/2021HLTH0060-001918



Ontario posts vaxxed vs. unvaxxed numbers results daily & they are consistent with ours but are raw counts so require a bit of math (as %  vaxxed does not equal % unvaxxed) to put significance in perspective
I really tried to warn y\'all in 49  .. G. Orwell

Anonymous

Different countries are posting different results.

cc

#4077
I have not seen other countries do comparison of vaxxed vs unvaxxed / 100,000  (or per any number)- all I've seeing of late is  profs saying the things about other countries that we have heard on conspiracy sites



(8.47 x greater chance of infection) & (21.588 x greater chance of hospitalization) are specifics, not general " I've examined data from V & Y countries  and found bla bla bla  claims with no data put forward
I really tried to warn y\'all in 49  .. G. Orwell

Anonymous

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I have not seen other countries do comparison of vaxxed vs unvaxxed / 100,000  (or per any number)- all I've seen is  profs saying the things about other countries that we hear on conspiracy sites



(8.47 x greater chance of infection) & are specifics, not general claims

I've read Countries with high vaccination rates have high infection rates. This fourth wave is weird.

cc

#4079
I  don't get how that could be
I really tried to warn y\'all in 49  .. G. Orwell