We achieved our goal with the lockdowns

[caskur]

Being in lockdown is stifling... everyone gets a little short tempered.



He can call me an idiot but we went hard on this virus, New Zealand went harder... NZ is going from stage 4 to 3 now and we are preparing to loosen up a little as well. Bars and Restaurants will still be closed but they can still serve take-away.



If you listen to the negativity from the press about the financial situation, you'll go bonkers... Haven't we as a human race conquered every financial disaster we've ever had? Yes we have but you cannot bring back all the frontliners from death of this virus. The Dr, Nurses, Police and Armies.

[caskur]

Hey IH. You know I love ya ... but please save insult words for the MANY cases and clunkers where they are earned & appropriate



Cascur is always gentle and a very good and very smart informative poster ... a great addition to our group

CC, does your Prime Minster/Premier give daily reports about newly infected from self quarantined to people in hospital?



We put people coming home from overseas on to Rottnest Island, ones who are sicker, in hotels so when they turn critical, we then put them in hospital.



What sort of information do you actually get?

[caskur]

What made us lucky in Western Australia, our Premier closed the borders... we were an island within an Island... There were hundreds of cars turned away at the borders.



New South Wales was the most whacked mainly from letting off (without checking) the Ruby Princess cruise ship passengers to then infect NSW. There is now a criminal inquiry.

[cc]

We do not get good info from the Feds



Agreed. Stopping border entry has been key .. every time they slip up of left it for a while a huge price was paid



My province comprising Canada's  entire West Coast is doing fairly well. One human disaster in a care home in Vancouver really woke people up - govt took it over fast

Care homes are all doing it right now and doing very well .. as is the entire province in general



We would have fewer had the govt closed border earlier - many Chinese from Wuhan embarked in Vancouver and got it going here

[caskur]

We do not get good info from the Feds



Agreed. Stopping border entry has been key .. every time they slip up of left it for a while a huge price was paid



My province comprising Canada's  entire West Coast is doing fairly well. One human disaster in a care home in Vancouver really woke people up - govt took it over fast

Care homes are all doing it right now and doing very well .. as is the entire province in general



We would have fewer had the govt closed border earlier - many Chinese from Wuhan embarked in Vancouver and got it going here

One woman with little symptoms infected aged people in a home in our Eastern States... 17 elderly dead and 3 more staff now infected too..



We now have 97 deaths Australia-wide but I guess it'll break the 100 mark today perhaps...



4 states have had no deaths in days...

[Anonymous]

The "curve" researchers are talking about refers to the projected number of people who will contract COVID-19 over a period of time.



The faster the infection curve rises, the quicker the local health care system gets overloaded beyond its capacity to treat people.

https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-flatten-the-curve.html">https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus ... curve.html">https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-flatten-the-curve.html



Our health care system is not overloaded in Canada even though we have 12th highest number of infections in the world..



The biggest fear is that the provinces health care couldn't manage the number of people who needed hospitalization for the coronavirus, but that didn't happen..



This is why provinces are opening up again and people needing treatments and surgeries that were put on hold, can receive them now......hopefully it's not too late..



This is why we wanted to flatten the curve.....to manage the number of people who may need hospitalization for the virus..



Lockdowns to flatten the curve are not a solution to the pandemic and nor were they intended to be anything more than a temporary measure.

[Anonymous]

I remember at the start of this, doctors were scared shitless the hospitals would be overrun with coronavirus patients. That hasn't happened as most people that catch it have mild enough symptoms they can recover at home.





Hospitals were not designed for just handling a virus. Death is the result of health care lockdowns.



Delayed cardiac surgeries due to coronavirus may have caused 35 deaths in Ontario: minister

https://globalnews.ca/news/6879082/coronavirus-delayed-surgeries-ontario-deaths/">https://globalnews.ca/news/6879082/coro ... io-deaths/">https://globalnews.ca/news/6879082/coronavirus-delayed-surgeries-ontario-deaths/



Doctors worry the coronavirus is keeping patients away from US hospitals as ER visits drop: 'Heart attacks don't stop'

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/14/doctors-worry-the-coronavirus-is-keeping-patients-away-from-us-hospitals-as-er-visits-drop-heart-attacks-dont-stop.html">https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/14/doctors ... -stop.html">https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/14/doctors-worry-the-coronavirus-is-keeping-patients-away-from-us-hospitals-as-er-visits-drop-heart-attacks-dont-stop.html

[Anonymous]

Advanced countries in Asia, Europe and North America are old. But, herd immunity could be a solution for young developing nations.





https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-21/a-herd-immunity-strategy-could-actually-work-in-youthful-india">https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... hful-india">https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-21/a-herd-immunity-strategy-could-actually-work-in-youthful-india

Controversial given the high risk of deaths, a coronavirus strategy discarded by the U.K. is being touted as the solution for poor but young countries like India.



Herd immunity, which allows a majority of the population to gain resistance to the virus by becoming infected and then recovering, could result in less economic devastation and human suffering than restrictive lockdowns designed to stop its spread, according to a growing group of experts.



"No country can afford a prolonged period of lockdowns, and least of all a country like India," said Jayaprakash Muliyil, a prominent Indian epidemiologist. "You may be able to reach a point of herd immunity without infection really catching up with the elderly. And when the herd immunity reaches a sufficient number the outbreak will stop, and the elderly are also safe."



A team of researchers at Princeton University and the Center for Disease Dynamics, Economics and Policy, a public health advocacy group based in New Delhi and Washington, has identified India as a place where this strategy could be successful because its disproportionately young population would face less risk of hospitalization and death.





They said allowing the virus to be unleashed in a controlled way for the next seven months would give 60% of the country's people immunity by November, and thus halt the disease.



Mortality could be limited as the virus spreads compared to European nations like Italy given that 93.5% of the Indian population is younger than 65, they said, though no death toll projections were released.

[Berry Sweet]

We got killer hornets now...Jumanji is just getting started....

[Anonymous]

We got killer hornets now...Jumanji is just getting started....

I would rather get infected by the coronavirus than get stung by two or three of them.

[Frood]

We got killer hornets now...Jumanji is just getting started....

I would rather get infected by the coronavirus than get stung by two or three of them.

Insects and arachnids are easy bites... venomous snakes are different...



...I remember getting bit by a spider in 1997 and enduring near death for a week... I pissed orange when I managed to pee, shook violently through the night and day with chills then fevers, then chills again... I was delirious for 3 days straight...



A venomous snake bites you.... that's a whole new world of trouble... the best you can expect is to have elastic bandages handy to wrap the area up and down, and then get to a hospital with antivenom.





...Abos here used to practice the lie down in place regime...usually for 3-5 days.... totally still immediately after the bite...

[Anonymous]

I imagine all the hospitals have anti venom available.

[Frood]

I imagine all the hospitals have anti venom available.

Not for all or the unidentified snake bite... or the crossbreed's... it's hit and miss unless you bring the dead snake with you...  





...sonething I realized in a different hemisphere of my youth when I got bit by a squirrel....

[Anonymous]

Advanced countries in Asia, Europe and North America are old. But, herd immunity could be a solution for young developing nations.





https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-21/a-herd-immunity-strategy-could-actually-work-in-youthful-india">https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... hful-india">https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-21/a-herd-immunity-strategy-could-actually-work-in-youthful-india

Controversial given the high risk of deaths, a coronavirus strategy discarded by the U.K. is being touted as the solution for poor but young countries like India.



Herd immunity, which allows a majority of the population to gain resistance to the virus by becoming infected and then recovering, could result in less economic devastation and human suffering than restrictive lockdowns designed to stop its spread, according to a growing group of experts.



"No country can afford a prolonged period of lockdowns, and least of all a country like India," said Jayaprakash Muliyil, a prominent Indian epidemiologist. "You may be able to reach a point of herd immunity without infection really catching up with the elderly. And when the herd immunity reaches a sufficient number the outbreak will stop, and the elderly are also safe."



A team of researchers at Princeton University and the Center for Disease Dynamics, Economics and Policy, a public health advocacy group based in New Delhi and Washington, has identified India as a place where this strategy could be successful because its disproportionately young population would face less risk of hospitalization and death.





They said allowing the virus to be unleashed in a controlled way for the next seven months would give 60% of the country's people immunity by November, and thus halt the disease.



Mortality could be limited as the virus spreads compared to European nations like Italy given that 93.5% of the Indian population is younger than 65, they said, though no death toll projections were released.

Some form of herd immunity might be inevitable in North America and Europe..



There are too many infected people for lockdowns to be even a temporary solution.

[Berry Sweet]

We got killer hornets now...Jumanji is just getting started....

I would rather get infected by the coronavirus than get stung by two or three of them.

Me too, it sounds less painful.  Scary at the same time, what's next tho? What's on the next level up?  I'm sure there's something right around the corner for summer...