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PEW - Euroskepticism Before Brexit - Significant opposition in key European countries - What will it be NOW???

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PEW Research, as good as it gets, has been following EU support for many years.



http://www.pewglobal.org/2016/06/07/euroskepticism-beyond-brexit/">http://www.pewglobal.org/2016/06/07/eur ... nd-brexit/">http://www.pewglobal.org/2016/06/07/euroskepticism-beyond-brexit/



[This was BEFORE their most respected and strongest country left them ... all alone now]



This survey includes countries that account for 80% of the EU-28 population and 82% of the EU's GDP.



The British are not the only ones with doubts about the European Union.



The EU's image and stature have been on a roller coaster ride in recent years throughout Europe. In a number of nations the portion of the public with a favorable view of the Brussels-based institution fell markedly from 2012 to 2013 as the European economy cratered. It subsequently rebounded in 2014 and 2015.



 But the EU is again experiencing a sharp dip in public support in a number of its largest member states.



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EU favorability is down in five of the six nations surveyed in both 2015 and 2016.



There has been a double-digit drop in France (down 17 percentage points) and Spain (16 points), and single-digit declines in Germany (8 points), the United Kingdom (7 points) and Italy (6 points).



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a median of 70% in the nine EU nations surveyed that don't get a vote June 23 believe it would be bad for the EU if the UK decided to depart. Only 16% say it would be a good thing. (May I suggest that means "for them")



Now what most people in the EU consider to be the the top country of them all has left, I wonder what today's stats would show?
I really tried to warn y\'all in 49  .. G. Orwell

Anonymous

Ceec, I read there is a petition with about a half million signatures on it asking for a redo of the Brexit referendum.

cc

That was expected.



There were many more than that against "Leave" just as there is always many against EVERY vote.



They had their chance thanks to Cameron's sneaky call this year made because in future years it would be even stronger to leave.



He tried to head that off, but it didn't end the way he arrogantly thought it would. He and they blew it
I really tried to warn y\'all in 49  .. G. Orwell

cc

Lots of new petitions gearing up throughout the EU now



Without the UK, there is a lot less  reason to stay
I really tried to warn y\'all in 49  .. G. Orwell

RW

Quote from: "cc la femme"That was expected.



There were many more than that against "Leave" just as there is always many against EVERY vote.



They had their chance thanks to Cameron's sneaky call this year made because in future years it would be even stronger to leave.



He tried to head that off, but it didn't end the way he arrogantly thought it would. He and they blew it

That's exactly how people who know Cameron describe him - arrogant.  I'm glad he got his.
Beware of Gaslighters!

Anonymous

Quote from: "RW"
Quote from: "cc la femme"That was expected.



There were many more than that against "Leave" just as there is always many against EVERY vote.



They had their chance thanks to Cameron's sneaky call this year made because in future years it would be even stronger to leave.



He tried to head that off, but it didn't end the way he arrogantly thought it would. He and they blew it

That's exactly how people who know Cameron describe him - arrogant.  I'm glad he got his.

Ya, but he had Nigel Farage and the UK Independence Party pushing him. He was bleeding support to them. It was a huge gamble he took though, that is obvious.

RW

Beware of Gaslighters!

Anonymous

Quote from: "RW"And he lost.  So sad.

Will Boris Johnson be the new Tory leader? He might be better at negotiating a better exit deal for Britain.

JOE

Quote from: "cc la femme"PEW Research, as good as it gets, has been following EU support for many years.



http://www.pewglobal.org/2016/06/07/euroskepticism-beyond-brexit/">http://www.pewglobal.org/2016/06/07/eur ... nd-brexit/">http://www.pewglobal.org/2016/06/07/euroskepticism-beyond-brexit/



http://www.pewglobal.org/files/2016/06/PM_2016.06.07_brexit-01.png">


....interestingly, its the former Eastern Bloc ex-communist satellites of the Soviet Union who favor the EU the most. I guess they haven't forgotten Soviet Rule, when the USSR rolled its tanks in their countries and never left.



Without Britain there, and the EU disintegrating, there would be much less incentive to protect them. So they must be sitting scared like lame ducks after the Brexit referendum results.



Britain was like a lynchpin to the EU, protecting other nations too.



So not everything was desireable about the result.

cc

ummm .. errr .. that's what the OP was saying. Without the UK, the deck of cards will come down, prolly ending with just a few and zero power



You are likely right on the old Soviet countries counting on protection  ... but with UK gone and others likely leaving the game will be changed drastically for them ... .watch their support of EU fall from here on in ... and "Alliances" forming



It may all result in a more vibrant NATO once O leaves



And yes RW, I and many saw Cameron as an arrogant prick. .. it couldn't have happened to a better guy ... this will now be his only legacy
I really tried to warn y\'all in 49  .. G. Orwell

cc

Not sure about Boris. Tories will never forgive him for staying neutral ... which would make him the best Tory to rule the exit, but least likely to be picked ..... a mixed bag on that one. Sadly it's Tory MPs who get to pick



Theresa May, the home secretary, is emerging as the leading choice for a "Stop Boris" candidate among Conservative MPs who want a new prime minister to unify the party after Britain's vote to leave the EU.



Boris Johnson, the former London mayor, is the clear favourite to succeed David Cameron, who resigned after the referendum result on Friday. Johnson's decision to campaign for Brexit boosted his popularity with the party grassroots.



http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/25/theresa-may-emerges-as-stop-boris-tory-leadership-candidate">http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... -candidate">http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/25/theresa-may-emerges-as-stop-boris-tory-leadership-candidate
I really tried to warn y\'all in 49  .. G. Orwell

cc

MPs get to pick 2 - then party members get to chose which of the 2



Sounds like Iran where the govt gets to pick not the leader itself, but  who can run for office ... and who cannot
I really tried to warn y\'all in 49  .. G. Orwell

Anonymous

Quote from: "cc la femme"Not sure about Boris. Tories will never forgive him for staying neutral ... which would make him the best Tory to rule the exit, but least likely to be picked ..... a mixed bag on that one. Sadly it's Tory MPs who get to pick



Theresa May, the home secretary, is emerging as the leading choice for a "Stop Boris" candidate among Conservative MPs who want a new prime minister to unify the party after Britain's vote to leave the EU.



Boris Johnson, the former London mayor, is the clear favourite to succeed David Cameron, who resigned after the referendum result on Friday. Johnson's decision to campaign for Brexit boosted his popularity with the party grassroots.



http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/25/theresa-may-emerges-as-stop-boris-tory-leadership-candidate">http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... -candidate">http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/25/theresa-may-emerges-as-stop-boris-tory-leadership-candidate

I don't know much about Boris Johnson, but I do know that there are comparisons to Donald Trump.

Anonymous

I don't know if Scotland can block Brexit, but i say Scotland WILL exit the UK.
QuoteThe Scottish Parliament may have the constitutional power to block the United Kingdom's exit from the European Union, First Minister Nicola Sturgeon says.



Key points:



Ms Sturgeon says Scotland could veto Brexit laws to protect its interests

It would do so by blocking a motion of legislative consent

First Minister says independence referendum 'highly likely'

Scotland, a nation of five million people, voted to stay in the EU by 62 to 38 per cent in the Brexit referendum, putting it at odds with the UK as a whole, which voted 52 to 48 per cent in favour of an exit from the bloc.



How brave is Scotland?





Many Scots feel cheated by last week's Brexit referendum, and First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has two ways Scotland could defy the rest of the UK and stay inside the EU, writes Europe correspondent Steve Cannane.

Under the UK's complex arrangements to devolve some powers to Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, legislation generated in London to give effect to the vote to leave the EU would have to gain consent from the three devolved Parliaments.



Asked on BBC television whether she would consider asking the Scottish Parliament to block a motion of legislative consent, Sturgeon said: "Of course".



"If the Scottish Parliament was judging this on the basis of what's right for Scotland then the option of saying that we're not going to vote for something that is against Scotland's interest, of course that's going to be on the table," she said.



"Don't get me wrong, I care about the rest of the UK, I care about England, that's why I'm so upset at the UK-wide decision that's been taken."



Ms Sturgeon's Scottish National Party holds 63 of the 129 Scottish Parliament seats.



When asked whether she could imagine the fury of the British people if she stopped them from leaving Europe, she said it was similar to the fury of the Scottish.



"I can, but it's perhaps very similar to the fury of many people in Scotland right now, as we face the prospect of being taken out of the European Union against our will," she said.



Ms Sturgeon said the UK that Scotland voted to remain a part of in the 2014 independence referendum did "not exist any more" and it was her responsibility to negotiate with the EU to try to protect her country's interests.



"My challenge now as First Minister is to work out how I best protect Scotland's interests, how I try to prevent us being taken out of the EU against our will with all of the deeply damaging and painful consequences that that will entail," she said.



"My challenge, but also my responsibility as First Minister, is to seek to negotiate to protect Scotland's interests."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-26/sturgeon-to-negotiate-best-way-forward-for-scotland/7545104">http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-26/s ... nd/7545104">http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-26/sturgeon-to-negotiate-best-way-forward-for-scotland/7545104

Anonymous

The leader of the Labour Party is in big trouble too.



Labour crisis: As many as 150 MPs expected to vote to oust Jeremy Corbyn after 35 shadow ministers quit

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/27/eu-referendum-labour-crisis-jeremy-corbyn-vows-to-fight-on-after/">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06 ... -on-after/">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/27/eu-referendum-labour-crisis-jeremy-corbyn-vows-to-fight-on-after/