Chinese-Canadians split on handling of Huawei case

[Anonymous]

Very Interesting.



Vancouver — as a story about a chinese tech exec wanted by the u.s. began unfolding from a Vancouver courtroom, the phone lines for a local mandarin-language radio program began lighting up.



Host Sunny chan said calls have doubled to his program after meng Wanzhou's arrest dec. 1 while she was changing flights at the Vancouver airport.



"I cut some of the calls because we don't have time," chan said.



meng, chief financial officer for chinese telecommunications giant Huawei, was released on $10 million bail. She is facing possible extradition to the u.s. over allegations she and her company misled banks about business dealings in Iran. meng has denied the allegations in court through her lawyer.



The story has sparked varying reactions within a diverse population that identifies as chinese-canadian.



"my feeling is that the chinese-canadian community is divided," said Guo ding, a commentator and producer at Omni bc mandarin news. "One group of people, they criticize canada, they say, 'Well, america is just closely linked,'" he said. "another group, they think we have to respect the law because canada is a country of law."



Those opinions tend to fall along regional lines, he said, with those from mainland china supporting Meng and those from Hong Kong or Taiwan supporting her extradition. ding says the split is about 50-50.



On chan's program, eight or nine out of every 10 calls shared the perspective that canada has erred in its handling of the case, he said.



"most of them are overwhelmingly supportive of china's call for Meng to be released," Chan said.



One called Canada a "fool" for becoming involved in a trade dispute between china and the u.s. most see the case as politically driven, especially after President Donald Trump suggested he could intervene in the case if it would help reach a trade deal with china.



Cheuk Kwan, a spokesman for the Toronto association for democracy in china, said he believes most Chinese-Canadians are just observing from the sidelines and are supportive of Canada's actions.



"There's obviously a faction of the Chinese-Canadian community who are in full fledged support of what china's causes or grievances are, so it's not surprising they would come out and protest the arrest of ms. Meng Wanzhou," Cheuk Kwan said. "but I would say those are in the minority

[Anonymous]

While we are on the subject of China's international business relations.



By Peter Morici



Why Trump can't do business with China's criminal regime



President Donald Trump's decision to yet again negotiate with China, instead of imposing across-the-board tariffs, will empower his critics and undermine American prosperity.



The White House reported that Mr. Trump emerged from his Dec. 1 meeting in Buenos Aires with President Xi with an agreement to discuss reforms in China's non-tariff barriers, requirements that U.S. subsidiaries in China transfer technology and state-enabled intellectual property theft and cyber espionage.



That is hardly a full list of American grievances — others include its high tariffs, export subsidies, requirements that U.S. multinationals take domestic joint-venture partners to sell in China, arbitrary treatment of U.S. investors by Chinese courts and regulators, and Beijing's 2025 program to achieve global dominance in chip making and software that define artificial intelligence.



The policies enumerated and omitted are so mutually reinforcing in the tyranny they impose on U.s.-based businesses and workers that all are likely fair game, at least in the minds of U.S. negotiators.



True to form, Chinese officials emerged from the Dec. 1 meeting refusing to admit accepting the U.S. agenda and characterized the agreement as focusing on eliminating the limited recently imposed U.S. tariffs in exchange for beefing up purchases of U.S. agricultural products and energy.



Mr. Trump's decision to suspend broader tariffs — advocated by doves on his trade team — simply continues the Bush-obama policy of appeasement veiled in endless bilateral talk.



China's mercantilist policies, espionage and felonious private behavior are so embedded in the culture of its authoritarian, socialist government and private sector that any agreement reached by the March 1 deadline will have little more significant impact on bilateral commercial relations than to reinstate pork and soybean exports and increase natural gas sales — products that geography requires China import anyway.



Ultimately, the winners will be Beijing and large U.S. multinationals, like Google and GM, which are so intoxicated with penetrating China's large markets that they abandon national loyalty. And Wall Street financial houses, who arrange for the financing that outsources American jobs and recycles the dollars that China steals through its bilateral trade surplus into ownership of American businesses, real estate and securities.



Those decadent interests are effectively represented in the Trump administration by Goldman Sachs alumni and Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin. It is noteworthy, for example, that he was rewarded by President Xi for brokering the Buenos Aires armistice with concessions loosening restrictions on the activities of U.S. banks in China. Those will further both Beijing's and Wall Street's agendas to move U.S. factories to the Middle Kingdom and do nothing to alleviate American complaints about China's high-tech kleptocrarcy.



It is important to recognize Mr. Trump is negotiating with a repressive criminal regime. Beijing persecutes its Muslim and Buddhist minorities, harvests prisoners' organs for transplant, tightly controls internet content, and monitors the actions and thoughts of its citizens to compel ideological purity and robotic behaviour.



Those should elicit cries of outrage and support for more substantive American policies punishing Chinese violations of human rights and international commitments from activists like Rep.-elect Alexandria Ocasio-cortez and congressional Democrats generally. However, either they are too enamored with socialism or bent on replicating Beijing's techniques for imposing their brand of politically correct behavior on American society.



It all smells of decay, and Beijing believes it has time on its side. The mid-term shellacking Republicans took after Mr. Trump campaigned so vigorously on their behalf likely confirmed in Mr. Xi's mind that the president will soon be a lame duck and just needs to be slow-walked a bit longer.



Then Mr. Xi can then deal with Democratic president hopefuls like Sen. Elizabeth Warren or Sen. Cory Booker, who believe free-market capitalism is a sham and basic constitutional rights expendable as necessary to accomplish their social agendas. After all, they would make good acolytes to administer Mr. Xi's American vassal state.



Campaigning for office, Mr. Trump promised to slap a 25% across-the-board tariff on all Chinese imports and do whatever else was necessary to redress bilateral commercial relations.



At Mar-a-largo in April 2017, Mr. Xi coaxed him into a round of bilateral talks that resulted in little progress — an approach that has failed presidents going back to Bill Clinton. And in Buenos Aires, Mr. Trump took the bait again.



Historians will take the president's measure and on trade, it may find him lacking.

[Anonymous]

Very Interesting.



Vancouver — as a story about a Chinese tech exec wanted by the u.s. began unfolding from a Vancouver courtroom, the phone lines for a local mandarin-language radio program began lighting up.



Host Sunny Chan said calls have doubled to his program after Meng Wanzhou's arrest Dec. 1 while she was changing flights at the Vancouver airport.



"I cut some of the calls because we don't have time," Chan said.



Meng, chief financial officer for Chinese telecommunications giant Huawei, was released on $10 million bail. She is facing possible extradition to the u.s. over allegations she and her company misled banks about business dealings in Iran. Meng has denied the allegations in court through her lawyer.



The story has sparked varying reactions within a diverse population that identifies as Chinese-Canadian.



"my feeling is that the Chinese-Canadian community is divided," said Guo Ding, a commentator and producer at Omni BC mandarin news. "One group of people, they criticize Canada, they say, 'Well, america is just closely linked,'" he said. "another group, they think we have to respect the law because Canada is a country of law."



Those opinions tend to fall along regional lines, he said, with those from mainland china supporting Meng and those from Hong Kong or Taiwan supporting her extradition. Ding says the split is about 50-50.



On Chan's program, eight or nine out of every 10 calls shared the perspective that Canada has erred in its handling of the case, he said.



"most of them are overwhelmingly supportive of China's call for Meng to be released," Chan said.



One called Canada a "fool" for becoming involved in a trade dispute between china and the u.s. most see the case as politically driven, especially after President Donald Trump suggested he could intervene in the case if it would help reach a trade deal with china.



Cheuk Kwan, a spokesman for the Toronto association for democracy in china, said he believes most Chinese-Canadians are just observing from the sidelines and are supportive of Canada's actions.



"There's obviously a faction of the Chinese-Canadian community who are in full fledged support of what china's causes or grievances are, so it's not surprising they would come out and protest the arrest of ms. Meng Wanzhou," Cheuk Kwan said. "but I would say those are in the minority

My old lady is from Northern China. She is taking a wait and see attitude about Meng's arrest.

[Anonymous]

The results are what I expect..



Mainlanders usually accept without question every position Beijing takes.

[JOE]

The results are what I expect..



Mainlanders usually accept without question every position Beijing takes.

Well I'm not Chinese & I think the Canadian government handled the situation very poorly.



This is made in America problem where the United States & its President treats Canada like shit & then ecpects us to be their buddy in arms to take care of their dirty laundry.



Ofcourse it draws the ire of China & they retaliate by detaining our citizens



Trudeau should have told that ceo to leave.



Yes and this smacks of kidnapping and ransom

Even US papers have said it was handled badly

[Anonymous]

The results are what I expect..



Mainlanders usually accept without question every position Beijing takes.

Well I'm not Chinese & I think the Canadian government handled the situation very poorly.



This is made in America problem where the United States & its President treats Canada like shit & then ecpects us to be their buddy in arms to take care of their dirty laundry.



Ofcourse it draws the ire of China & they retaliate by detaining our citizens



Trudeau should have told that ceo to leave.



Yes and this smacks of kidnapping and ransom

Even US papers have said it was handled badly

This has nothing to do with any American president.

[Anonymous]

The results are what I expect..



Mainlanders usually accept without question every position Beijing takes.

Well I'm not Chinese & I think the Canadian government handled the situation very poorly.



This is made in America problem where the United States & its President treats Canada like shit & then ecpects us to be their buddy in arms to take care of their dirty laundry.



Ofcourse it draws the ire of China & they retaliate by detaining our citizens



Trudeau should have told that ceo to leave.



Yes and this smacks of kidnapping and ransom

Even US papers have said it was handled badly

This has nothing to do with any American president.

Of course not, it was the justice department.



Old Joe doesn't care about our legal obligations or how the process works. A common characteristic among sixty year old virgins.

[Anonymous]

The results are what I expect..



Mainlanders usually accept without question every position Beijing takes.

Well I'm not Chinese & I think the Canadian government handled the situation very poorly.



This is made in America problem where the United States & its President treats Canada like shit & then ecpects us to be their buddy in arms to take care of their dirty laundry.



Ofcourse it draws the ire of China & they retaliate by detaining our citizens



Trudeau should have told that ceo to leave.



Yes and this smacks of kidnapping and ransom

Even US papers have said it was handled badly

This has nothing to do with any American president.

Of course not, it was the justice department.



Old Joe doesn't care about our legal obligations or how the process works. A common characteristic among sixty year old virgins.

He doesn't read posts either.

[Anonymous]

It seems unbelievable to Chinese that both the USA and Canada have independent judiciaries..



They can't conceive that neither Justin Trudeau nor Donald Trump can call a judge and get the charges dropped..



That's how it works in China which has the rule of man instead of the rule of law.

[JOE]

The results are what I expect..



Mainlanders usually accept without question every position Beijing takes.

Well I'm not Chinese & I think the Canadian government handled the situation very poorly.



This is made in America problem where the United States & its President treats Canada like shit & then ecpects us to be their buddy in arms to take care of their dirty laundry.



Ofcourse it draws the ire of China & they retaliate by detaining our citizens



Trudeau should have told that ceo to leave.



Yes and this smacks of kidnapping and ransom

Even US papers have said it was handled badly

This has nothing to do with any American president.

Of course not, it was the justice department.



Old Joe doesn't care about our legal obligations or how the process works. A common characteristic among sixty year old virgins.

So I suppose its OK if the US justice department bars you from entering the United States because of your time in prison & your criminal record, eh Herman?



From what I gather they'd detain your sorry criminal ass at the border if you attempted entry into the United  States, eh Herman?

[Anonymous]

The results are what I expect..



Mainlanders usually accept without question every position Beijing takes.

Well I'm not Chinese & I think the Canadian government handled the situation very poorly.



This is made in America problem where the United States & its President treats Canada like shit & then ecpects us to be their buddy in arms to take care of their dirty laundry.



Ofcourse it draws the ire of China & they retaliate by detaining our citizens



Trudeau should have told that ceo to leave.



Yes and this smacks of kidnapping and ransom

Even US papers have said it was handled badly

This has nothing to do with any American president.

Of course not, it was the justice department.



Old Joe doesn't care about our legal obligations or how the process works. A common characteristic among sixty year old virgins.

So I suppose its OK if the US justice department bars you from entering the United States because of your time in prison & your criminal record, eh Herman?



From what I gather they'd detain your sorry criminal ass at the border if you attempted entry into the United  States, eh Herman?

It works both ways JOE..



Americans with criminal records and without a pardon are banned from entering Canada..



Don't you watch Border Security.

 

[Vancouver]

The results are what I expect..



Mainlanders usually accept without question every position Beijing takes.

She's a criminal. Mainlanders do not see that. She's a hero in their eyes. Huawei 5G technology. The future! I'm posting from my Huawei smartphone.

[Anonymous]

The results are what I expect..



Mainlanders usually accept without question every position Beijing takes.

She's a criminal. Mainlanders do not see that. She's a hero in their eyes. Huawei 5G technology. The future! I'm posting from my Huawei smartphone.

 

[Bricktop]

From what I gather they'd detain your sorry criminal ass at the border if you attempted entry into the United  States, eh Herman?

Pshaw.



All Herman would have to do is fly to Mexico and join the Honduran caravan.



He'll be in in no time.

[cc]

Not sure they'd let a white guy in today without going through the full application process