Two fools meeting...

[Anonymous]

And parenting is just a word to others.

That is unfortunately true Bricktop.

[caskur]

The actual medical term for miscarriage is Spontaneous Abortion so yes, it just a word to me, not so much to mothers whose medical records are stamped, Spontaneeous Abortion. I know a lady who had 9 Spontaneous Abortions, read her medical records and broke down.

[Anonymous]

And parenting is just a word to others.

That is unfortunately true Bricktop.

My parenting was not much more than being the breadwinner. I was all over the world when my boy was growing up.

[Berry Sweet]

So you're okay if someone sticks a tubular framed probe up a pregnant woman a week or two before that baby is meant to be naturally birthed, then chops it into portions and drags it out?

Who does that?

I saw a video clip last week of this....It was the most disgusting thing I ever seen....basically a full term woman on a bed...the body of the baby was sticking out of the vagina and the doc had a probe jamming it in the head and ripping it up to pull it out....it was God awful.



That's bullshit.  The time to have an abortion is in the first trimester, not at 39 weeks...ffs.  Unless there was a serious birth defect with the baby, like it had some sort of disorder where it couldnt breath on it's own and massive brain damage, something so terrible where the quality of life is unbearable, then I would be ok with it.  Having to take care of a child who is half brain dead, etc is not living life to the fullest, never mind the amount of money needed to support that kind of disability.

[Anonymous]

So you're okay if someone sticks a tubular framed probe up a pregnant woman a week or two before that baby is meant to be naturally birthed, then chops it into portions and drags it out?

Who does that?

I saw a video clip last week of this....It was the most disgusting thing I ever seen....basically a full term woman on a bed...the body of the baby was sticking out of the vagina and the doc had a probe jamming it in the head and ripping it up to pull it out....it was God awful.



That's bullshit.  The time to have an abortion is in the first trimester, not at 39 weeks...ffs.  Unless there was a serious birth defect with the baby, like it had some sort of disorder where it couldnt breath on it's own and massive brain damage, something so terrible where the quality of life is unbearable, then I would be ok with it.  Having to take care of a child who is half brain dead, etc is not living life to the fullest, never mind the amount of money needed to support that kind of disability.

That is barbaric. Shame on any country that does not jail doctors who would do that.

[Anonymous]

So you're okay if someone sticks a tubular framed probe up a pregnant woman a week or two before that baby is meant to be naturally birthed, then chops it into portions and drags it out?

Who does that?

I saw a video clip last week of this....It was the most disgusting thing I ever seen....basically a full term woman on a bed...the body of the baby was sticking out of the vagina and the doc had a probe jamming it in the head and ripping it up to pull it out....it was God awful.



That's bullshit.  The time to have an abortion is in the first trimester, not at 39 weeks...ffs.  Unless there was a serious birth defect with the baby, like it had some sort of disorder where it couldnt breath on it's own and massive brain damage, something so terrible where the quality of life is unbearable, then I would be ok with it.  Having to take care of a child who is half brain dead, etc is not living life to the fullest, never mind the amount of money needed to support that kind of disability.

 

[Frood]

If the baby can survive outside the womb, even with incubator help, this discussion about late term abortion-killing is a moot point.



It's at the very least manslaughter, but more like premedicated murder.



ffs, give that baby person to a couple or even individual who wants to love it.

[caskur]

So you're okay if someone sticks a tubular framed probe up a pregnant woman a week or two before that baby is meant to be naturally birthed, then chops it into portions and drags it out?

Who does that?

I saw a video clip last week of this....It was the most disgusting thing I ever seen....basically a full term woman on a bed...the body of the baby was sticking out of the vagina and the doc had a probe jamming it in the head and ripping it up to pull it out....it was God awful.



That's bullshit.  The time to have an abortion is in the first trimester, not at 39 weeks...ffs.  Unless there was a serious birth defect with the baby, like it had some sort of disorder where it couldnt breath on it's own and massive brain damage, something so terrible where the quality of life is unbearable, then I would be ok with it.  Having to take care of a child who is half brain dead, etc is not living life to the fullest, never mind the amount of money needed to support that kind of disability.

Humans do disgusting things to other humans.





39 week abortions are rare I would say.







And don't trust videos. They're designed to control minds and influence emotions. Most of the time they're fake.

[Gaon]

So you're okay if someone sticks a tubular framed probe up a pregnant woman a week or two before that baby is meant to be naturally birthed, then chops it into portions and drags it out?

Who does that?

I saw a video clip last week of this....It was the most disgusting thing I ever seen....basically a full term woman on a bed...the body of the baby was sticking out of the vagina and the doc had a probe jamming it in the head and ripping it up to pull it out....it was God awful.



That's bullshit.  The time to have an abortion is in the first trimester, not at 39 weeks...ffs.  Unless there was a serious birth defect with the baby, like it had some sort of disorder where it couldnt breath on it's own and massive brain damage, something so terrible where the quality of life is unbearable, then I would be ok with it.  Having to take care of a child who is half brain dead, etc is not living life to the fullest, never mind the amount of money needed to support that kind of disability.

Of course.

[Wazzzup]

If the baby can survive outside the womb, even with incubator help, this discussion about late term abortion-killing is a moot point.



It's at the very least manslaughter, but more like premedicated murder.



ffs, give that baby person to a couple or even individual who wants to love it.

I agree with that.  



I think the fundamental difference in philosophy is-



Some people think life begins only after the baby exits the mothers body. But we all know that most premature babies after 24 weeks can survive.  That is why I believe it begins when the baby is viable-capable of living outside the mothers body. IMO that is a more scientific and less arbitrary definition of life than the baby's physical location.



24 weeks is plenty of time to decide what to do.

[Berry Sweet]

I dont like the thought of abortion either.  But let's say late in the game you find out your child will never be able to walk, feed itself, change itself, not have the capacity to learn or understand.  You will be faced with having to purchase expencive equipment like wheel chairs, bath and shower equipment, non stop docs appointments, rounds of medications, a possible nurse, if not you cannot work because you have to physically be able to provide for that child 24/7, possibly forever, etc etc....your life and career is down the drain....easier said than done to love a child like that...will YOU do that for the rest of your life? Where will you get the money from? You arent working because you cant.  Who will provide? Are you willing to have help or put the child in a home? Knowing that they will be abused?  Will YOU do this?   Honest answers.  Will you?



(Nevermind downs syndrome, etc, those children can live good lives...I'm talking about children born with serious defects.)

[Anonymous]

I dont like the thought of abortion either.  But, let's say late in the game you find out your child will never be able to walk, feed itself, change itself, not have the capacity to learn or understand.  You will be faced with having to purchase expencive equipment like wheel chairs, bath and shower equipment, non stop docs appointments, rounds of medications, a possible nurse, if not you cannot work because you have to physically be able to provide for that child 24/7, possibly forever, etc etc....your life and career is down the drain....easier said than done to love a child like that...will YOU do that for the rest of your life? Where will you get the money from? You arent working because you cant.  Who will provide? Are you willing to have help or put the child in a home? Knowing that they will be abused?  Will YOU do this?   Honest answers.  Will you?



(Nevermind mental retardation, etc, those children can live good lives...I'm talking about children born with serious defects.)

I know you said nevermind mentally handicapped, but I had a daughter born with Down's Syndrome..



There are no circumstances other than my own life, that I would've terminated a pregnancy.

[Berry Sweet]

Downs syndrome can still live a good life.  They are capable of doing things.  My kid has gone to school with a few of them since kindergarten.  I watched them grow and develop.  They sing and act in school plays, play on the sports team.  There are many with autism as well.  They have their struggles, but they are amazing.  One even does tak won do and is really good at it.  



I dont care about those small things.  But for me...I could never take care of a child stuck in a scooter, drooling everywhere with a suction tube down its throat, changing its diapers at 14 years old...I couldnt do that...even giving birth to the child and giving it up...you know that no one will adopt that child...it will end up in a home being abused.  It's not fair either way.

[Wazzzup]

Nearly all fetal problems are detected before 22 weeks.  There are a couple of tests that are done later, but fetal abnormalities discovered after 22 weeks are very rare.  



Perhaps an exception could be made for severe deformity in the 3rd trimester, along with, of course, saving the life of the mother.  I think most would agree with that.

[Anonymous]

Downs syndrome can still live a good life.  They are capable of doing things.  My kid has gone to school with a few of them since kindergarten.  I watched them grow and develop.  They sing and act in school plays, play on the sports team.  There are many with autism as well.  They have their struggles, but they are amazing.  One even does tak won do and is really good at it.  



I dont care about those small things.  But for me...I could never take care of a child stuck in a scooter, drooling everywhere with a suction tube down its throat, changing its diapers at 14 years old...I couldnt do that...even giving birth to the child and giving it up...you know that no one will adopt that child...it will end up in a home being abused.  It's not fair either way.

A special needs child is a challenge and the more severe their problem, the bigger the challenge.