I actually agree with Shen Li...

[Anonymous]

I was watching the CBC talking about wage top ups for front line workers. Those idiots want to see office cleaners paid like semi skilled workers because they perform such an important service keeping our work places disinfected.

Well, in certain environments keeping a workplace properly disinfected is important, such as in hospitals...



BC contracted hospital cleaning out to the lowest bidder years ago, and that hasn't exactly shown stellar results:  Minimum wage, part time private employees with no benefits nor any basic proficiency of even the English language bouncing around from facility to facility, spreading disease and doing a half assed job because they don't care nor know any better.



Has any money been saved in the long run by doing so?  Probably not...

[Anonymous]

I was watching the CBC talking about wage top ups for front line workers. Those idiots want to see office cleaners paid like semi skilled workers because they perform such an important service keeping our work places disinfected.

Well, in certain environments keeping a workplace properly disinfected is important, such as in hospitals...



BC contracted hospital cleaning out to the lowest bidder years ago, and that hasn't exactly shown stellar results:  Minimum wage, part time private employees with no benefits nor any basic proficiency of even the English language bouncing around from facility to facility, spreading disease and doing a half assed job because they don't care nor know any better.



Has any money been saved in the long run by doing so?  Probably not...

You do not need any skills at all to do that job including English. You want to spend as little as possible on tasks like that. Particularly when it's the public's money.

[Anonymous]

You do not need any skills at all to do that job including English. You want to spend as little as possible on tasks like that. Particularly when it's the public's money.

There's a risk-reward ratio in paying an extremely low wage, and bringing in Temps to do that work, in some circumstances:  What standards do we want to see in a public health facility, but more importantly, how much money have we really saved when the numbers are actually crunched?  We don't know, but probably not that much.

[Anonymous]

You do not need any skills at all to do that job including English. You want to spend as little as possible on tasks like that. Particularly when it's the public's money.

There's a risk-reward ratio in paying an extremely low wage, and bringing in Temps to do that work, in some circumstances:  What standards do we want to see in a public health facility, but more importantly, how much money have we really saved when the numbers are actually crunched?  We don't know, but probably not that much.

No there is not. I have lived abroad more than half of my life. In every country I have lived in cleaners and other menial task workers are not paid well. And guess what the sky didn't fall. In fact, camps and trailers were cleaner in developing countries than in Canada, US and Australia where they were paid more. The government has no right paying cleaner more than they are worth. It's our money, not theirs.

[Odinson]

Herman...



They can get a jungle bunny to do your job with 5 bucks per hour..

[Odinson]

Fashies husband and I work in a similar job..



In here, they might hire estonian or ukrainian electricians to do our job for 500 euros per month..



Nothing is worth anything if some1 is giving his talents for free.

[Anonymous]

No there is not. I have lived abroad more than half of my life. In every country I have lived in cleaners and other menial task workers are not paid well. And guess what the sky didn't fall. In fact, camps and trailers were cleaner in developing countries than in Canada, US and Australia where they were paid more. The government has no right paying cleaner more than they are worth. It's our money, not theirs.

I completely understand what you're saying.



I'll tell you a story:  I briefly washed dishes once, in a restaurant.  For minimum wage.  Plates that you ate on, utensils that you'd shove in your mouth to eat, and the glasses you'd drink your beer/wine/water out of.



I was the only employee there to handle this task.  It was a full-time job, albeit a brief job.



The washer was industrial, but it was run-down and a piece of shit, IMHO.



I often wasn't satisfied with the outcome of a one-cycle wash, even though I did my best to scrape off everything on the dirty plates:  Spaghetti, cigarette butts, you name it.



I wanted to be proud of the fact that me, personally, will NEVER risk sending you a plate with shit stuck to it, dirty glasses, forks with crap stuck between the tongs, etc.



So, I would double cycle them.  I could manage to double-cycle when it was slow, but it was impossible around dinner time on Friday/Saturday nights.



I couldn't keep up, and the Boss screamed at me.  He was ready to fire me for being lazy.  I didn't give a fuck.  I refused to NOT double cycle every single item you handle in any restaurant.



I would not bow down to this pressure, and quit.  I didn't hate the job (all jobs I do are done properly), but I would not tolerate my work being questioned.



They offered me a dollar/hour raise the moment I walked out the door.  Fuck them!  Their customers can again eat on dirty plates, using dirty utensils!



The fact is though, is that there is always people being brought into this country, that don't really give a fuck about anyone but themselves.

[Frood]

You do not need any skills at all to do that job including English. You want to spend as little as possible on tasks like that. Particularly when it's the public's money.

There's a risk-reward ratio in paying an extremely low wage, and bringing in Temps to do that work, in some circumstances:  What standards do we want to see in a public health facility, but more importantly, how much money have we really saved when the numbers are actually crunched?  We don't know, but probably not that much.

No there is not. I have lived abroad more than half of my life. In every country I have lived in cleaners and other menial task workers are not paid well. And guess what the sky didn't fall. In fact, camps and trailers were cleaner in developing countries than in Canada, US and Australia where they were paid more. The government has no right paying cleaner more than they are worth. It's our money, not theirs.

People from developing countries or living in them have a dirtyness phobia and are accustomed to cleaning things well with less solvents and tools than we consider necessary...





...look at how many people wash cars with just one shallow filled bucket of water and a few rags... and it's an immaculate job....

[Anonymous]

It's not always true that spending more on cleaning means a cleaner workplace..



I am public sector, I know our union exaggerates.

[Anonymous]

I'll tell you a story:  I briefly washed dishes once...

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[Anonymous]

I'll tell you a story:  I briefly washed dishes once...

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Looks like someone farted in her face :001_rolleyes:

[Anonymous]

I'll tell you a story:  I briefly washed dishes once...

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That is a shocker.

[Odinson]

Hey!



Some of us cant put on a pretty little dress and trap a rich, handsome dutch man..





We have to start from shit and work our way up.





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[Anonymous]

Hey!



Some of us cant put on a pretty little dress and trap a rich, handsome dutch man..





We have to start from shit and work our way up.





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Odi, he's handsome, he's Dutch, but he's not rich..



We are just working people.

[Anonymous]

I'll tell you a story:  I briefly washed dishes once...

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Looks like someone farted in her face :001_rolleyes:

Here's another fart post cc