Obama And Dems Are As Responsible For Government Shutdown

[Renee]

I don't think she is arguing that is what the Dept of Labour claims. I think Renee is disputing how they arrive at that figure.

Yes, she disputes everything I prove her wrong with. But facts are facts and reality is reality nonetheless. It's easy to be proven wrong and simply say "I meant it in another way".

You can't prove economic reality wrong with fictitious numbers. Everyone with a brain knows the US Dept. of Labor cooks their numbers for political effect. Try again.

[Romero]

You can't prove economic reality wrong with fictitious numbers. Everyone with a brain knows the US Dept. of Labor cooks their numbers for political effect. Try again.

That's a silly conspiracy theory. It's the US Department of Labor. It has measured and supplied the unemployment rate for like a hundred years.



How come every business, financial institution and media outlet trusts the Department of Labor's unemployment rate? Only conspiracy theorists think it's some conspiracy.



This is what it has come down to for you, eh? I'm right, but you can't handle it so you turn to friggin' conspiracy theories.

[Anonymous]

^^Actually, Renee is onto something.

But the "official" unemployment rate doesn't count men and women like G. — discouraged workers who have settled for part-time jobs or have given up looking altogether. Tracking those individuals, under what's called the "U-6″ rate, gives a very different measure of the nation's unemployment rate: 14.3%.



And unlike other jobs figures, the U-6 rate actually got worse in June — it went up by 0.5 percentage points.



There's a strong argument that given the Great Recession's damage to the economy, and because millions of Americans like G. have simply given up their job search, the U-6 rate is a more accurate reflection of national employment. Like the "official" rate, the U-6 essentially doubled between 2007 and 2009; unlike the official rate, it's not coming down as fast.

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[Renee]

You can't prove economic reality wrong with fictitious numbers. Everyone with a brain knows the US Dept. of Labor cooks their numbers for political effect. Try again.

That's a silly conspiracy theory. It's the US Department of Labor. It has measured and supplied the unemployment rate for like a hundred years.



How come every business, financial institution and media outlet trusts the Department of Labor's unemployment rate? Only conspiracy theorists think it's some conspiracy.



This is what it has come down to for you, eh? I'm right, but you can't handle it so you turn to friggin' conspiracy theories.

Yeah, you're right



Go eat some more government worms.

[Romero]

But the "official" unemployment rate doesn't count men and women like G. — discouraged workers who have settled for part-time jobs or have given up looking altogether.

We're talking about the official unemployment rate. And settling for a part-time job is still being employed.

[Anonymous]

But the "official" unemployment rate doesn't count men and women like G. — discouraged workers who have settled for part-time jobs or have given up looking altogether.

We're talking about the official unemployment rate. And settling for a part-time job is still being employed.

What about those that have given up looking?

[Romero]

We can look at hundreds of factors and come up with hundreds of unofficial rates.



I only said the official unemployment rate for blacks in the US is 13%. I'm right and Renee is wrong. There's no need to make this all complicated.

[Anonymous]

We can look at hundreds of factors and come up with hundreds of unofficial rates.



I only said the official unemployment rate for blacks in the US is 13%. I'm right and Renee is wrong. There's no need to make this all complicated.

No, no, Renee disputes how they arrive at those numbers and I can see her point.



The US makes a distinction between job search activities that involve "active" measures (activities that on their own could lead to a job offer), as opposed to "passive" measures (activities that require some additional effort to obtain an actual job offer).



In the United States only active measures will lead to someone being designated as "unemployed"; in Canada either type of activity will do the trick.



The crux of the matter is that flipping through the want-ads in a newspaper gets you classified as unemployed in Canada, but not in the United States.



The Canadian unemployment rate would be lower if only those actively looking for a job were used to calculate the unemployment rate. This subtle difference in statistical method implies that the unemployment rate gap between the two countries is much bigger than it seems when looked through the lens of the official statistics.

[Renee]

We can look at hundreds of factors and come up with hundreds of unofficial rates.



I only said the official unemployment rate for blacks in the US is 13%. I'm right and Renee is wrong. There's no need to make this all complicated.

"Since the U-7 rate is more than double the official unemployment rate, the broader measure of African-American un- and underemployment would be more than 28 percent."



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Take that government worm eater. Only idiots and fools and government fed baby birds like you believe the "offical" numbers.



Oh and BTW, I never claimed that my numbers were "official"; I only claimed my numbers were closer to reality. You know "reality" that thing you know very little about.



So what's more important, the cooked numbers the government provides or the actual stark reality of the unemployment issue among blacks?

[Anonymous]

We can look at hundreds of factors and come up with hundreds of unofficial rates.



I only said the official unemployment rate for blacks in the US is 13%. I'm right and Renee is wrong. There's no need to make this all complicated.

"Since the U-7 rate is more than double the official unemployment rate, the broader measure of African-American un- and underemployment would be more than 28 percent."



http://www.pbs.org/newshour/businessdesk/2013/05/how-high-is-african-american-u.html">http://www.pbs.org/newshour/businessdes ... can-u.html">http://www.pbs.org/newshour/businessdesk/2013/05/how-high-is-african-american-u.html



Take that government worm eater. Only idiots and fools and government fed baby birds like you believe the "offical" numbers.



Oh and BTW, I never claimed that my numbers were "official"; I only claimed my numbers were closer to reality. You know "reality" that thing you know very little about.



So what's more important, the cooked numbers the government provides or the actual stark reality of the unemployment issue among blacks?

The latter of course Renee. I have to say that Canadian governments at all levels get creative with numbers, but they are not even close to manipulating them the way American politicos do. You cannot believe a fucking word an elected US politician tells you.

[Renee]

We can look at hundreds of factors and come up with hundreds of unofficial rates.



I only said the official unemployment rate for blacks in the US is 13%. I'm right and Renee is wrong. There's no need to make this all complicated.

"Since the U-7 rate is more than double the official unemployment rate, the broader measure of African-American un- and underemployment would be more than 28 percent."



http://www.pbs.org/newshour/businessdesk/2013/05/how-high-is-african-american-u.html">http://www.pbs.org/newshour/businessdes ... can-u.html">http://www.pbs.org/newshour/businessdesk/2013/05/how-high-is-african-american-u.html



Take that government worm eater. Only idiots and fools and government fed baby birds like you believe the "offical" numbers.



Oh and BTW, I never claimed that my numbers were "official"; I only claimed my numbers were closer to reality. You know "reality" that thing you know very little about.



So what's more important, the cooked numbers the government provides or the actual stark reality of the unemployment issue among blacks?

The latter of course Renee. I have to say that Canadian governments at all levels get creative with numbers, but they are not even close to manipulating them the way American politicos do. You cannot believe a fucking word an elected US politician tells you.

Sadly that is true because the first thing that goes thru most American politicians minds before they open their mouths is, "will what I'm about to say affect my chances of reelection". For the most part US politics is no longer about doing the business of the people; it's about job security, taking special interest money and how much I can suck from the government trough before someone notices that I'm a fucking thief.

[Anonymous]

"Since the U-7 rate is more than double the official unemployment rate, the broader measure of African-American un- and underemployment would be more than 28 percent."



http://www.pbs.org/newshour/businessdesk/2013/05/how-high-is-african-american-u.html">http://www.pbs.org/newshour/businessdes ... can-u.html">http://www.pbs.org/newshour/businessdesk/2013/05/how-high-is-african-american-u.html



Take that government worm eater. Only idiots and fools and government fed baby birds like you believe the "offical" numbers.



Oh and BTW, I never claimed that my numbers were "official"; I only claimed my numbers were closer to reality. You know "reality" that thing you know very little about.



So what's more important, the cooked numbers the government provides or the actual stark reality of the unemployment issue among blacks?

The latter of course Renee. I have to say that Canadian governments at all levels get creative with numbers, but they are not even close to manipulating them the way American politicos do. You cannot believe a fucking word an elected US politician tells you.

Sadly that is true because the first thing that goes thru most American politicians minds before they open their mouths is, "will what I'm about to say affect my chances of reelection". For the most part US politics is no longer about doing the business of the people; it's about job security, taking special interest money and how much I can suck from the government trough before someone notices that I'm a fucking thief.

Yep, sad but true. US politics is about raising huge amounts of money too. This forces all politicians from both parties to pander to the deepest pockets in order to get elected.