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Changing Politics & Economics of Western Countries vs The Pariah

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Quote from: "seoulbro"I too have doubts about Biden and Trudeau taking a firm line with China. My fear is that once we have a vaccine, everything will go right back to where it was with China controlling our essential supplies of PPE and medicine.

That is a concern.

Anonymous

Quote from: "cc"China Expert Peter Zeihan Says China's Collapse on World Stage is Near - Will Crumble in Three Years



Listen carefully .. He's right on point



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I agree. Parina will not remain it its current position. It did itself in by releasing this virus upon the world and is loosing friends / making enemies faster that anything we've ever seen before .. now seen as a Pariah to all those countries that matter



It's current propaganda to pressure many countries to support it is making enemies rapidly .. All strong countries (N America & Europe) are starting to blackball Parina .. (Our feckless Trudy will have no option other than following them)



Oh, and then there's the 30 year olds .. or rather, no 30 year olds in Parina .. Remember the brilliant 1 child daze??? .. Well, it is and will continue to bite it in its ass for a long time, leaving it weakened greatly. That is a significant factor
The evidence that this coronavirus was created in a lab just keeps growing.

Anonymous

Quote from: "cc"China Expert Peter Zeihan Says China's Collapse on World Stage is Near - Will Crumble in Three Years



Listen carefully .. He's right on point



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I agree. Parina will not remain it its current position. It did itself in by releasing this virus upon the world and is loosing friends / making enemies faster that anything we've ever seen before .. now seen as a Pariah to all those countries that matter



It's current propaganda to pressure many countries to support it is making enemies rapidly .. All strong countries (N America & Europe) are starting to blackball Parina .. (Our feckless Trudy will have no option other than following them)



Oh, and then there's the 30 year olds .. or rather, no 30 year olds in Parina .. Remember the brilliant 1 child daze??? .. Well, it is and will continue to bite it in its ass for a long time, leaving it weakened greatly. That is a significant factor
Peter Zeihan knows the CCP.

cc

TriCity News





https://www.tricitynews.com/coronavirus-coverup-is-china-s-ccp-regime-s-chernobyl-moment-scholars-1.24117621">https://www.tricitynews.com/coronavirus ... 1.24117621">https://www.tricitynews.com/coronavirus-coverup-is-china-s-ccp-regime-s-chernobyl-moment-scholars-1.24117621



Open letter states: 'The CCP silenced Chinese doctors who wanted to warn other health professionals during the early stage of the outbreak'



 The Chinese Communist Party's delayed response to the novel coronavirus outbreak and the subsequent muzzling, disappearances and deaths of outspoken Chinese scholars, journalists and doctors could be a watershed moment for China comparable to Chernobyl's impact on the Soviet Union.



That's the position taken in an open letter published Tuesday by more than 100 China experts worldwide, including members of Canadian think-tank MacDonald-Laurier Institute.

"The roots of the pandemic are in a cover-up by CCP authorities in Wuhan, Hubei province.



 Under the influence of the CCP, the World Health Organisation first downplayed the pandemic," the letter stated.



"We should never forget that China's Chernobyl moment was a self-inflicted wound. The CCP silenced Chinese doctors who wanted to warn other health professionals during the early stage of the outbreak."



There is historical consensus the Soviet regime's bungled response to Chernobyl's nuclear power plant meltdown in 1986 was a key moment leading to glasnost and the eventual fall of that communist regime.



 The critical China experts retorted: "Only by understanding how this global disaster could emerge can we prevent it from happening again."



They also took several stabs at the WHO.



"Taiwanese health officials also allege that they ignored their alerts of human-to-human transmission in late December. Under pressure from the CCP, democratic Taiwan—which has coped with the pandemic in exemplary fashion—is excluded from the WHO."



Noted were the many independent Chinese dissidents who have died, disappeared or jailed: Professor Xu Zhangrun is under house arrest; dissident Chinese entrepreneur Ren Zhiqiang has disappeared; Dr. Ai Fen is silenced after colleague and outspoken doctor Li Wenliang died fighting the virus; and "the courageous citizen journalists Chen Qiushi, Fang Bin and Li Zehua, who tried to report freely about the situation in Wuhan, now are also missing."



The letter claims there is a growing chorus of dissidents emerging from China and implores CCP-influenced scholars to consider critical thought.



"Rather than trusting the CCP's intentions and accepting establishment academics' uncritical approval of the party-state's policies, we should pay greater attention to the voices of what can be termed 'unofficial' China. These independent-minded academics, doctors, entrepreneurs, citizen journalists, public interest lawyers and young students no longer accept the CCP's rule by fear. Neither should you."



Canadians signing the letter include Charles Burton, Duanjie Chen, J Michael Cole, Marcus Kolga and Anastasia Lin.



Also signing was journalist Jonathan Manthorpe, author of Claws of the Panda, which explores CCP campaigns of soft power influence in Canada.
I really tried to warn y\'all in 49  .. G. Orwell

Anonymous


cc

TriCity News





https://www.tricitynews.com/coronavirus-coverup-is-china-s-ccp-regime-s-chernobyl-moment-scholars-1.24117621">https://www.tricitynews.com/coronavirus ... 1.24117621">https://www.tricitynews.com/coronavirus-coverup-is-china-s-ccp-regime-s-chernobyl-moment-scholars-1.24117621



Open letter states: 'The CCP silenced Chinese doctors who wanted to warn other health professionals during the early stage of the outbreak'



 The Chinese Communist Party's delayed response to the novel coronavirus outbreak and the subsequent muzzling, disappearances and deaths of outspoken Chinese scholars, journalists and doctors could be a watershed moment for China comparable to Chernobyl's impact on the Soviet Union.



That's the position taken in an open letter published Tuesday by more than 100 China experts worldwide, including members of Canadian think-tank MacDonald-Laurier Institute.

"The roots of the pandemic are in a cover-up by CCP authorities in Wuhan, Hubei province.



 Under the influence of the CCP, the World Health Organisation first downplayed the pandemic," the letter stated.



"We should never forget that China's Chernobyl moment was a self-inflicted wound. The CCP silenced Chinese doctors who wanted to warn other health professionals during the early stage of the outbreak."



There is historical consensus the Soviet regime's bungled response to Chernobyl's nuclear power plant meltdown in 1986 was a key moment leading to glasnost and the eventual fall of that communist regime.



 The critical China experts retorted: "Only by understanding how this global disaster could emerge can we prevent it from happening again."



They also took several stabs at the WHO.



"Taiwanese health officials also allege that they ignored their alerts of human-to-human transmission in late December. Under pressure from the CCP, democratic Taiwan—which has coped with the pandemic in exemplary fashion—is excluded from the WHO."



Noted were the many independent Chinese dissidents who have died, disappeared or jailed: Professor Xu Zhangrun is under house arrest; dissident Chinese entrepreneur Ren Zhiqiang has disappeared; Dr. Ai Fen is silenced after colleague and outspoken doctor Li Wenliang died fighting the virus; and "the courageous citizen journalists Chen Qiushi, Fang Bin and Li Zehua, who tried to report freely about the situation in Wuhan, now are also missing."



The letter claims there is a growing chorus of dissidents emerging from China and implores CCP-influenced scholars to consider critical thought.



"Rather than trusting the CCP's intentions and accepting establishment academics' uncritical approval of the party-state's policies, we should pay greater attention to the voices of what can be termed 'unofficial' China. These independent-minded academics, doctors, entrepreneurs, citizen journalists, public interest lawyers and young students no longer accept the CCP's rule by fear. Neither should you."



Canadians signing the letter include Charles Burton, Duanjie Chen, J Michael Cole, Marcus Kolga and Anastasia Lin.



Also signing was journalist Jonathan Manthorpe, author of Claws of the Panda, which explores CCP campaigns of soft power influence in Canada.


Quote from: "Herman"I was just about to post this.


You just got "SCOUPED"  .... and gave me opportunity to put it on new next page instead of lost lost  at the bottom of previous page ac_biggrin
I really tried to warn y\'all in 49  .. G. Orwell

Anonymous

Quote from: "cc"TriCity News





https://www.tricitynews.com/coronavirus-coverup-is-china-s-ccp-regime-s-chernobyl-moment-scholars-1.24117621">https://www.tricitynews.com/coronavirus ... 1.24117621">https://www.tricitynews.com/coronavirus-coverup-is-china-s-ccp-regime-s-chernobyl-moment-scholars-1.24117621



Open letter states: 'The CCP silenced Chinese doctors who wanted to warn other health professionals during the early stage of the outbreak'



 The Chinese Communist Party's delayed response to the novel coronavirus outbreak and the subsequent muzzling, disappearances and deaths of outspoken Chinese scholars, journalists and doctors could be a watershed moment for China comparable to Chernobyl's impact on the Soviet Union.



That's the position taken in an open letter published Tuesday by more than 100 China experts worldwide, including members of Canadian think-tank MacDonald-Laurier Institute.

"The roots of the pandemic are in a cover-up by CCP authorities in Wuhan, Hubei province.



 Under the influence of the CCP, the World Health Organisation first downplayed the pandemic," the letter stated.



"We should never forget that China's Chernobyl moment was a self-inflicted wound. The CCP silenced Chinese doctors who wanted to warn other health professionals during the early stage of the outbreak."



There is historical consensus the Soviet regime's bungled response to Chernobyl's nuclear power plant meltdown in 1986 was a key moment leading to glasnost and the eventual fall of that communist regime.



 The critical China experts retorted: "Only by understanding how this global disaster could emerge can we prevent it from happening again."



They also took several stabs at the WHO.



"Taiwanese health officials also allege that they ignored their alerts of human-to-human transmission in late December. Under pressure from the CCP, democratic Taiwan—which has coped with the pandemic in exemplary fashion—is excluded from the WHO."



Noted were the many independent Chinese dissidents who have died, disappeared or jailed: Professor Xu Zhangrun is under house arrest; dissident Chinese entrepreneur Ren Zhiqiang has disappeared; Dr. Ai Fen is silenced after colleague and outspoken doctor Li Wenliang died fighting the virus; and "the courageous citizen journalists Chen Qiushi, Fang Bin and Li Zehua, who tried to report freely about the situation in Wuhan, now are also missing."



The letter claims there is a growing chorus of dissidents emerging from China and implores CCP-influenced scholars to consider critical thought.



"Rather than trusting the CCP's intentions and accepting establishment academics' uncritical approval of the party-state's policies, we should pay greater attention to the voices of what can be termed 'unofficial' China. These independent-minded academics, doctors, entrepreneurs, citizen journalists, public interest lawyers and young students no longer accept the CCP's rule by fear. Neither should you."



Canadians signing the letter include Charles Burton, Duanjie Chen, J Michael Cole, Marcus Kolga and Anastasia Lin.



Also signing was journalist Jonathan Manthorpe, author of Claws of the Panda, which explores CCP campaigns of soft power influence in Canada.


Quote from: "Herman"I was just about to post this.


You just got "SCOUPED"  .... and gave me opportunity to put it on new next page instead of lost lost  at the bottom of previous page ac_biggrin

President XI is no Mikhail Gorbachev......there won't be any glasnost.

cc

Exactly. XI is as ruthless as his buddy Kim.. including to his own people when they try to speak things he wants kept secret .. he's  just a bit smoother



3 Questions XI



1. Where are the doctors who spoke out and  quickly disappeared in Wuhan? Huh??



2. Why did you seal up and 100% cut off Hubei Province from China .. while at the same time ship 100s of 1000s of people from Hubei into Western cities? Huh??



3. Why did you not tell us it spread person to person .. when you knew it did ... and during the time you were enacting question 2 (above) Huh?



Hmm .. He's not answering
I really tried to warn y\'all in 49  .. G. Orwell

cc

https://www.foxnews.com/media/gordon-chang-china-coronavirus-very-dangerous-game">Foreign affairs journalist Gordon Chang explains why the Chinese Communist Party "is playing a very dangerous game it can't win" in response to worldwide condemnation of its handling of the coronavirus pandemic.



[Aside - DHS report accuses China of lying about coronavirus to hoard supplies]



Earlier Monday, China's state broadcaster CCTV broadcast a report that described U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo as "insane" after Pompeo claimed Sunday that "enormous evidence" showed that the coronavirus emerged from a laboratory in the city of Wuhan.



Chang said that China's response showed that the secretary of state had "hit a nerve."



"We don't know exactly what they are trying to hide, but clearly they are trying to hide something," he said. " ... What Beijing is saying is, 'Let's have a discussion about the facts'. At the same time, Beijing is preventing the World Health Organization, the United States CDC, and others from that very investigation.



"The reason is," Chang said, "after the epidemic broke out in Wuhan, the People's Liberation Army sent in a major general to clean out the Wuhan Institute of Virology. I'm sure that much of the evidence is lost.



"On the other hand, if one of the lab employees decides to talk to Western intelligence, we very well may be able to reconstruct at least part of what's going on there."
I really tried to warn y\'all in 49  .. G. Orwell

Anonymous

Quote from: "cc"https://www.foxnews.com/media/gordon-chang-china-coronavirus-very-dangerous-game">Foreign affairs journalist Gordon Chang explains why the Chinese Communist Party "is playing a very dangerous game it can't win" in response to worldwide condemnation of its handling of the coronavirus pandemic.



[Aside - DHS report accuses China of lying about coronavirus to hoard supplies]



Earlier Monday, China's state broadcaster CCTV broadcast a report that described U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo as "insane" after Pompeo claimed Sunday that "enormous evidence" showed that the coronavirus emerged from a laboratory in the city of Wuhan.



Chang said that China's response showed that the secretary of state had "hit a nerve."



"We don't know exactly what they are trying to hide, but clearly they are trying to hide something," he said. " ... What Beijing is saying is, 'Let's have a discussion about the facts'. At the same time, Beijing is preventing the World Health Organization, the United States CDC, and others from that very investigation.



"The reason is," Chang said, "after the epidemic broke out in Wuhan, the People's Liberation Army sent in a major general to clean out the Wuhan Institute of Virology. I'm sure that much of the evidence is lost.



"On the other hand, if one of the lab employees decides to talk to Western intelligence, we very well may be able to reconstruct at least part of what's going on there."

Even if the CDC could get into that lab, they aint going to find anything. The evidence is long gone.

cc

True. Short of China scientists or docs breaking out (prolly dead now) we will never know if it was created while trying to find virus cures or creating a bio weapon



Doesn't matter actually.  Stopping all flights from Hubei province into other parts of China ... while at the same time sending planeloads (100s of 1,000s of people) into the West from Hubei ... while lying that virus did not go human to human .. was a deliberate act of war



Those parts of it are all  straightforward and "knowns"
I really tried to warn y\'all in 49  .. G. Orwell

Anonymous

Quote from: "cc"True. Short of China scientists or docs breaking out (prolly dead now) we will never know if it was created while trying to find virus cures or creating a bio weapon



Doesn't matter actually.  Stopping all flights from Hubei province into other parts of China ... while at the same time sending planeloads (100s of 1,000s of people) into the West from Hubei ... while lying that virus did not go human to human .. was a deliberate act of war



Those parts of it are all  straightforward and "knowns"

It was bio warfare.

cc

Agreed: That's calling it exactly what it is





Whether it 1. deliberately started as it .... or 2. was a "convenient" accident that was then deliberately used for it,



 it was open bio warfare upon the entire world
I really tried to warn y\'all in 49  .. G. Orwell

cc

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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-china/trump-administration-pushing-to-rip-global-supply-chains-from-china-officials-idUSKBN22G0BZ">https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... SKBN22G0BZ">https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-china/trump-administration-pushing-to-rip-global-supply-chains-from-china-officials-idUSKBN22G0BZ



WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Trump administration is "turbocharging" an initiative to remove global industrial supply chains from China as it weighs new tariffs to punish Beijing for its handling of the coronavirus outbreak, according to officials familiar with U.S. planning.



President Donald Trump, who has stepped up recent attacks on China ahead of the Nov. 3 U.S. presidential election, has long pledged to bring manufacturing back from overseas.



Now, economic destruction and the U.S. coronavirus death toll are driving a government-wide push to move U.S. production and supply chain dependency away from China, even if it goes to other more friendly nations instead, current and former senior U.S. administration officials said.



"We've been working on (reducing the reliance of our supply chains in China) over the last few years but we are now turbo-charging that initiative," Keith Krach, undersecretary for Economic Growth, Energy and the Environment at the State Department told Reuters.



"I think it is essential to understand where the critical areas are and where critical bottlenecks exist," Krach said, adding that the matter was key to U.S. security and one the government could announce new action on soon.
I really tried to warn y\'all in 49  .. G. Orwell

cc

Continued:



Looking for ways to push companies to move both sourcing and manufacturing out of China. Tax incentives and potential re-shoring subsidies are among measures being considered to spur changes, the current and former officials told Reuters.



"There is a whole of government push on this," said one. Agencies are probing which manufacturing should be deemed "essential" and how to produce these goods outside of China.



Trump's China policy has been defined by behind-the-scenes tussles between pro-trade advisers and China hawks; now the latter say their time has come.



"This moment is a perfect storm; the pandemic has crystallized all the worries that people have had about doing business with China," said another senior U.S. official.



"All the money that people think they made by making deals with China before, now they've been eclipsed many fold by the economic damage" from the coronavirus, the official said.
I really tried to warn y\'all in 49  .. G. Orwell