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Re: Forum gossip thread by Lokmar
Started by Oliver Clotheshoffe, October 21, 2021, 11:25:35 PM
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Quote from: Odinson post_id=429242 time=1638589182 user_id=136Quote from: Renee post_id=429133 time=1638541098 user_id=156Quote from: Fashionista post_id=429127 time=1638503953 user_id=3254Quote from: Odinson post_id=429125 time=1638502588 user_id=136Quote from: Renee post_id=429117 time=1638494526 user_id=156
The local sheriff.... Pleeeease... might as well be the local deputy dog catcher for what it's worth..
For all we know his thumb or the web of his hand could have put enough pressure on the hammer to cause an accidental discharge... I have no idea what exactly happened or how the gun was handled, nor does anyone here and it seems those on the scene don't know fuck all about what happened either.
I'm not saying that is exactly what happened. What I am saying is that under the right circumstances, it can happen. So Alec Baldwin's claim of not touching the trigger is a viable statement.
This is from the new interview.. Less than an hour ago.https://eu.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/movies/2021/12/02/alec-baldwin-rust-shooting-interview-george-stephanopoulos/8839098002/"> https://eu.usatoday.com/story/entertain ... 839098002/">https://eu.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/movies/2021/12/02/alec-baldwin-rust-shooting-interview-george-stephanopoulos/8839098002/ Alec Baldwin said he cocked the gun but "didn't pull the trigger" in his first sit-down interview since the fatal shooting on the set of the movie "Rust" that killed cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and injured director Joel Souza.
"I'm holding the gun where she told me to hold it," Baldwin told George Stephanopoulos in an ABC special that aired Thursday night and will stream afterward on Hulu. "In the scene (being rehearsed) I would have cocked the gun, and I said, 'Do you want to see that? And she said yes. So I take the gun and I sort of cock the gun, I'm not going to pull the trigger."
Hutchins told him to "tilt it down a little bit," he said. "I cock the gun and I go, 'Can you see that? Can you see that? Can you see that?' And I let go of the hammer of the gun and the gun goes off."
Another source:https://www.reuters.com/world/us/alec-baldwin-give-his-account-fatal-rust-shooting-2021-12-02/"> https://www.reuters.com/world/us/alec-b ... 021-12-02/">https://www.reuters.com/world/us/alec-baldwin-give-his-account-fatal-rust-shooting-2021-12-02/
He doesn't want to accept responsibility.
Not necessarily....There is a mechanical explanation for what Baldwin describes and it makes perfect sense... What he described is a broken "sear". A sear is part of the trigger mechanism that engages the hammer, striker or bolt and prevents the hammer from going forward until the correct amount of pressure is placed on the trigger.
Now there are a number of ways a sear can fail. usually attributed to age, wear and tear, and improper or neglectful firearms maintenance. OR and this is total speculation,... the firearm was tampered with which along with live bullets being inexplicably on the set, would suggest something nefarious.
Again I'm not defending Alec Baldwin but what he described can happen and it will be up to firearms experts who are charged with doing the investigation to determine.
That would explain why the hammer didnt engage at all.
In the interview he says that he pulled the hammer almost to full-cock.
There were live rounds on the set which they used for "plinking".
And the dummy rounds look exactly like live rounds.
Here is the interview.
Quote from: Renee post_id=429282 time=1638635105 user_id=156Quote from: Odinson post_id=429242 time=1638589182 user_id=136Quote from: Renee post_id=429133 time=1638541098 user_id=156Quote from: Fashionista post_id=429127 time=1638503953 user_id=3254Quote from: Odinson post_id=429125 time=1638502588 user_id=136
This is from the new interview.. Less than an hour ago.https://eu.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/movies/2021/12/02/alec-baldwin-rust-shooting-interview-george-stephanopoulos/8839098002/"> https://eu.usatoday.com/story/entertain ... 839098002/">https://eu.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/movies/2021/12/02/alec-baldwin-rust-shooting-interview-george-stephanopoulos/8839098002/ Alec Baldwin said he cocked the gun but "didn't pull the trigger" in his first sit-down interview since the fatal shooting on the set of the movie "Rust" that killed cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and injured director Joel Souza.
"I'm holding the gun where she told me to hold it," Baldwin told George Stephanopoulos in an ABC special that aired Thursday night and will stream afterward on Hulu. "In the scene (being rehearsed) I would have cocked the gun, and I said, 'Do you want to see that? And she said yes. So I take the gun and I sort of cock the gun, I'm not going to pull the trigger."
Hutchins told him to "tilt it down a little bit," he said. "I cock the gun and I go, 'Can you see that? Can you see that? Can you see that?' And I let go of the hammer of the gun and the gun goes off."
Another source:https://www.reuters.com/world/us/alec-baldwin-give-his-account-fatal-rust-shooting-2021-12-02/"> https://www.reuters.com/world/us/alec-b ... 021-12-02/">https://www.reuters.com/world/us/alec-baldwin-give-his-account-fatal-rust-shooting-2021-12-02/
He doesn't want to accept responsibility.
Not necessarily....There is a mechanical explanation for what Baldwin describes and it makes perfect sense... What he described is a broken "sear". A sear is part of the trigger mechanism that engages the hammer, striker or bolt and prevents the hammer from going forward until the correct amount of pressure is placed on the trigger.
Now there are a number of ways a sear can fail. usually attributed to age, wear and tear, and improper or neglectful firearms maintenance. OR and this is total speculation,... the firearm was tampered with which along with live bullets being inexplicably on the set, would suggest something nefarious.
Again I'm not defending Alec Baldwin but what he described can happen and it will be up to firearms experts who are charged with doing the investigation to determine.
That would explain why the hammer didnt engage at all.
In the interview he says that he pulled the hammer almost to full-cock.
There were live rounds on the set which they used for "plinking".
And the dummy rounds look exactly like live rounds.
Here is the interview.
Quote from: "iron horse jockey" post_id=429246 time=1638590860 user_id=2015
Does anyone believe Alec Baldwin?
Quote from: "iron horse jockey" post_id=429246 time=1638590860 user_id=2015
Does anyone believe Alec Baldwin?
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