How many days,weeks, months before a war with Russia happens?

[Odinson]

Why is Ukraine lying about the civilian casualties?

What are the real figures Odi?

I dont know but they are considerably higher than a few hundred.

[Anonymous]

Why is Ukraine lying about the civilian casualties?

What are the real figures Odi?

I dont know but they are considerably higher than a few hundred.

Why do Ukrainian officials want the numbers to seem lower than what they are?



I can understand why Russia wants civilian casualty figures to appear lower, but why would Ukraine?

[Odinson]

Why is Ukraine lying about the civilian casualties?

What are the real figures Odi?

I dont know but they are considerably higher than a few hundred.

Why do Ukrainian officials want the numbers to seem lower than what they are?



I can understand why Russia wants civilian casualty figures to appear lower, but why would Ukraine?

The experts in the news are suspecting that the civilian casualties are many thousands.



Few hundred sounds ridiculous.







Maybe the cool Ukrainian President doesnt want people to realize that he is infact surrounded by 2 million human-shields.



His fighters are fighting in heavily populated areas.

[Anonymous]

Why is Ukraine lying about the civilian casualties?

What are the real figures Odi?

I dont know but they are considerably higher than a few hundred.

Why do Ukrainian officials want the numbers to seem lower than what they are?



I can understand why Russia wants civilian casualty figures to appear lower, but why would Ukraine?

The experts in the news are suspecting that the civilian casualties are many thousands.



Few hundred sounds ridiculous.







Maybe the cool Ukrainian President doesnt want people to realize that he is infact surrounded by 2 million human-shields.



His fighters are fighting in heavily populated areas.

If Ukrainians knew the true civilian casualties, they might not contunue to fight....I see, thank you.

[Anonymous]

Vladimir Putin is starting to get what he wants. German Chancellor Olaf Scholz said that "Ukraine's NATO membership is not on the agenda."



NATO has also rejected Ukraine's appeal for a no-fly zone, prompting fierce criticism from President Volodymyr Zelenskyy.

[cc]

Vladimir Putin is starting to get what he wants. German Chancellor Olaf Scholz said that "Ukraine's NATO membership is not on the agenda."



NATO has also rejected Ukraine's appeal for a no-fly zone, prompting fierce criticism from President Volodymyr Zelenskyy.

Neither could be on the table.



We do fly close to them because they test our & others  borders  ... but just flying against a nuclear power much less shooting "in a war zone" is a whole other thing

[Anonymous]

Vladimir Putin is starting to get what he wants. German Chancellor Olaf Scholz said that "Ukraine's NATO membership is not on the agenda."



NATO has also rejected Ukraine's appeal for a no-fly zone, prompting fierce criticism from President Volodymyr Zelenskyy.

Neither could be on the table.



We do fly close to them because they test our & others  borders  ... but just flying against a nuclear power much less shooting "in a war zone" is a whole other thing

NATO membership was on the table. US troop buildups in countries close to Russia was also on the table. Biden rejected all of Russia's reasonable objections to these provocations. The veep even went as far to repeat calls for troop buildups in Eastern Europe and Ukraine in NATO as Russia started to position their military on Ukraine's borders. Biden/Harris instigated this war that Russia didn't want.



NATO should be dissolved. The Warsaw Pact is gone. All it has done for the past 30 fucking years has start wars in the former Yugoslavia and the USSR.

[Odinson]

NATO is for pussies.

[Odinson]

I´m more concerned about the west turning into an Islamic hellhole.



With gender transitioning kids thrown into the mix.

[Anonymous]

NATO is for pussies.

It was needed long ago.

[cw_]

NATO is for pussies.

 Are you calling Finland a pussy?  

[Anonymous]

I´m more concerned about the west turning into an Islamic hellhole.



With gender transitioning kids thrown into the mix.

I don't see the connection between the them?

[Bricktop]

 "Many Russians see Nato as a vestige of the cold war, inherently directed against their country. They point out that they have disbanded the Warsaw Pact, their military alliance, and ask why the west should not do the same." It was an excellent question, and neither the Clinton administration nor its successors provided even a remotely convincing answer.

I keep meaning to address this point.



Neither the Soviet Union, nor its bastard child Russia "disbanded" the Warsaw Pact.



The members of this pact were the Soviet Union, Poland, Hungary, East Germany, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria and Romania. If memory serves Yugoslavia was an "ally" but Marshall Tito resisted being a full member.



All of these countries separated from the alliance with the Soviet Union when the Soviet bloc collapsed. The Warsaw Pact ceased to exist.



Russia found itself without "allies" (a better word is puppets) that served no other purpose but to act as a buffer between the Soviet Union and the Western nations. They did not disband it. The other nations walked away by their own choice. It is worth remembering that the Soviet Union invaded two of these countries when they sought to free themselves from Moscow's shackles. The Soviets, aka Russia, was never timid in rolling tanks into other countries to get them to comply.



The collapse of the Warsaw Pact was never a generous gesture of peace and goodwill from Russia. There was no acceptance that the end of that alliance would imply that NATO should pack up and go home.



Whilst I'm sure all members here are experts on NATO's relationship with the West, but it just MIGHT be possible that NATO knows more about the nature of Russian politicians than we do. Putin was a KGB operative. You do not become a member of the KGB's officer ranks without demonstrating an element of barbarity and slavish loyalty to the flag.



Would anyone in this forum trust a Russian politician?

[Frood]

What a bunch of hogwash. NATO has no reason to exist and hasn't for a long time. But like every bloated organisation or bureaucracy that's lost its mandate, it plods on.

[cw_]

What a bunch of hogwash. NATO has no reason to exist and hasn't for a long time. But like every bloated organisation or bureaucracy that's lost its mandate, it plods on.