Cameron Grows a Pair????? or not?

[RW]

That is such an intellectually lazy answer.

Then I challenge you to provide an intellectually lazy response...ie, something that isn't an opinion.

You can wait while I ASK QUESTIONS.

[cc]

This may assist in understanding what is happening to some extent.



I respect this man so much that  I will shut the f up myself and just paste his words ... other than to say this guy has "been there" and knows what it's all about



http://www.rawstory.com/2015/07/salman-rushdie-says-the-world-learned-the-wrong-lessons-from-his-iran-fatwa-ordeal/">Salman Rushdie says the world learned the 'wrong lessons' from his Iran fatwa ordeal



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AFP/AFP/File - Writer Salman Rushdie, pictured on October 5, 2014, told L'Express, "Instead of concluding we need to oppose these attacks on freedom of expression, we believed we should calm them through compromises and ceding"



More than a quarter century after being slapped with a fatwa fromIran calling for his murder over his book "The Satanic Verses", Salman Rushdie says the world has learned the "wrong lessons" about freedom of expression.



The British author, in an interview published Wednesday by the French news magazine L'Express, said his ordeal by religious fanatics determined to violently avenge what they construed as blasphemy should have served as a wake-up call to the world.



Instead, after the September 11, 2001 attack on America and the massacre in Paris in January this year of cartoonists and staff at the Charlie Hebdo satirical weekly, and with the ongoing rampage of the brutal Islamic State group in the Middle East, Rushdie said some writers and other people were too cowed to talk freely about Islam.



"It seems we learned the wrong lessons," he said in the interview printed in French. "Instead of concluding we need to oppose these attacks on freedom of expression, we believed we should calm them through compromises and ceding."



The "politically correct" positions voiced by some — including a few prominent authors who disagreed with Charlie Hebdo receiving a freedom of speech award at a PEN literary gala in New York in May — were motivated by fear, Rushdie said.



– 'Fear disguised as respect' –



"If people weren't being killed right now, if bombs and Kalashnikovs weren't speaking today, the debate would be very different. Fear is being disguised as respect," he said.



Rushdie, born in India to non-practising Muslims and himself an atheist, said the 1989 fatwa issued against him by Iran's then supreme leader, the late Ruhollah Khomeini, was, as he wrote in his 2012 memoir, "a first note of the dark music".



Following the fatwa, bookstores carrying his book were firebombed and the Japanese translator of the novel was stabbed to death.



Iran's government said in 1998 it had suspended the murder fatwa, though other regime organs insist it remains in place.



"Extremism constitutes an attack against the Western world as much as against Muslims themselves," Rushdie told L'Express.



"Keeping silent does not help Muslims.... Fighting extremism is not fighting Islam. To the contrary, it defends it."



The writer said that the controversy that surrounded the PEN prize to Charlie Hebdo this year convinced him that, if the attacks against "The Satanic Verses" had occurred today, "these people would not come to my defence and would use the same arguments against me by accusing me of insulting an ethnic and cultural minority".



He added that he had "greatly suffered" from being forced to live in hiding and under police protection after Iran's fatwa. But he appreciated the fact that his book was now being looked at for the work it was meant to be, and was studied in universities.



Rushdie, 68, has lived since 2000 in the United States and was knighted in Britain in 2007.

[RW]

Good article.

[Bricktop]

Perhaps it may influence you to alter your view.



These troglodytes want nothing less than to destroy western culture and replace it with their own.



Our spineless politicians fear them, when in reality they could never stand up to western power if it were applied. Its time the fear were reversed.

[RW]

I haven't altered my view in the least actually.

[Bricktop]

Methinks you are being contrary for its own sake.

[RW]

No I'm not.  I know Islam is a problem.  I just can't see a solution given our right to religious freedom which has painted us into a corner.  They know that.

[Bricktop]

There is a solution.



But it is in THEIR hands. White arrogance and leftard guilt tripping makes some think that every ill in the world is our fault and our responsibility to fix.



That's bullshit.



What we need to do is to make clear to islam that their conduct in the modern world is no longer acceptable, and unless and until islam becomes rational and sensible, the West will do what needs to be done to protect itself. If that means slamming the door on them, so be it. If that means bombing the fuck out of them so be it.



We are frightened not because of the strength of our adversary, but because of our unwillingness to defend ourselves.

[Romero]

If that means bombing the fuck out of them so be it.

Finally something that makes me see the light and I can agree with.



Yes, we should try bombing the fuck out of Muslim countries and see what happens.

[RW]

If that means bombing the fuck out of them so be it.

Finally something that makes me see the light and I can agree with.



Yes, we should try bombing the fuck out of Muslim countries and see what happens.

Hasn't the U.S. already done that?

[RW]

There is a solution.



But it is in THEIR hands. White arrogance and leftard guilt tripping makes some think that every ill in the world is our fault and our responsibility to fix.



That's bullshit.



What we need to do is to make clear to islam that their conduct in the modern world is no longer acceptable, and unless and until islam becomes rational and sensible, the West will do what needs to be done to protect itself. If that means slamming the door on them, so be it. If that means bombing the fuck out of them so be it.



We are frightened not because of the strength of our adversary, but because of our unwillingness to defend ourselves.

Please stop with the leftard red herring.  



What stops us from doing that is LAW.  Our own laws and international law.



Now does anyone have a solution that isn't woefully retarded?

[Romero]

If that means bombing the fuck out of them so be it.

Finally something that makes me see the light and I can agree with.



Yes, we should try bombing the fuck out of Muslim countries and see what happens.

Hasn't the U.S. already done that?

Let's tick them off: Iran (1980, 1987-1988), Libya (1981, 1986, 1989, 2011), Lebanon (1983), Kuwait (1991), Iraq (1991-2011, 2014-), Somalia (1992-1993, 2007-), Bosnia (1995), Saudi Arabia (1991, 1996), Afghanistan (1998, 2001-), Sudan (1998), Kosovo (1999), Yemen (2000, 2002-), Pakistan (2004-) and now Syria. Whew.



"Those who sit around endlessly inveighing against the evils of Islam, depicting it as the root of violence and evil, while spending very little time on their own societies' addictions to violence and aggression, or their own religious and nationalistic drives, have reached the peak of self-blinding tribalism. They really are akin to having a neighbor down the street who constantly murders, steals and pillages, and then spends his spare time flamboyantly denouncing people who live thousands of miles away for their bad acts. Such a person would be regarded as pathologically self-deluded, a term that also describes those political and intellectual factions which replicate that behavior."



http://www.alternet.org/world/staggeringly-high-number-muslim-countries-us-has-bombed-or-invaded-1980">//http://www.alternet.org/world/staggeringly-high-number-muslim-countries-us-has-bombed-or-invaded-1980

[Bricktop]

I'm sorry, but the majority of defenders for the status quo, and blame allocators are leftists. Not all, I grant you...but it is a socialist perspective that all the blights of the world can be attributed to white hegemony and that we thus owe under-developed nations and its citizens compensation both monetary and charity.



Adopting that posture with these rats will get us nowhere.



Islam IS the problem, and its not on us to solve it. Its on them. Our responsibility is to protect ourselves by any and all means possible.

[RW]

Who should we be blaming?  The dog the shits on the carpet or the person who lets the dog in?

[Bricktop]

If that means bombing the fuck out of them so be it.

Finally something that makes me see the light and I can agree with.



Yes, we should try bombing the fuck out of Muslim countries and see what happens.

Hasn't the U.S. already done that?

Let's tick them off: Iran (1980, 1987-1988), Libya (1981, 1986, 1989, 2011), Lebanon (1983), Kuwait (1991), Iraq (1991-2011, 2014-), Somalia (1992-1993, 2007-), Bosnia (1995), Saudi Arabia (1991, 1996), Afghanistan (1998, 2001-), Sudan (1998), Kosovo (1999), Yemen (2000, 2002-), Pakistan (2004-) and now Syria. Whew.



"Those who sit around endlessly inveighing against the evils of Islam, depicting it as the root of violence and evil, while spending very little time on their own societies' addictions to violence and aggression, or their own religious and nationalistic drives, have reached the peak of self-blinding tribalism. They really are akin to having a neighbor down the street who constantly murders, steals and pillages, and then spends his spare time flamboyantly denouncing people who live thousands of miles away for their bad acts. Such a person would be regarded as pathologically self-deluded, a term that also describes those political and intellectual factions which replicate that behavior."



http://www.alternet.org/world/staggeringly-high-number-muslim-countries-us-has-bombed-or-invaded-1980">//http://www.alternet.org/world/staggeringly-high-number-muslim-countries-us-has-bombed-or-invaded-1980

More leftist/moralist propaganda.



Have you examined the REASONS why action was taken?



Also, please point to the US bombing Iran during those years or at any time. I don't recall that. Was this when Iran kidnapped 55 American diplomats and held them hostage for no apparent reason, other than the US support for the previous Government, breaching international laws as it applies to embassy officials?



Libya was funding and supporting terrorism world wide, had destroyed a Pan Am flight over Scotland, and its embassy staff murdered a British police officer.



Lebanon was to protect Lebanese and American citizens from Hezbollah after the US Embassy was destroyed by a terrorist suicide bomber, apparently consigned by IRANIAN funded terror cells.



Kuwait and Iraq need no explanation.



When did the US bomb Somalia?



The US "bombed" Bosnia to destroy Serbian forces that were slaughtering the Bosnians.



I could go on...but the point is made. The "bombings" as you call them were either RESPONSES to muslim outrages, to protect innocent muslims, or as far as I can tell from your listing, did not actually occur.



Put another more, typically leftard deception, misrepresentation and bullshit.