It's time to BAN WOMEN

[RW]

"Muslim LGBTQ activists have called on people to stop using the Orlando killings as an excuse to fuel their own political agendas - by pitting Islam and the gay community against each other."



https://www.rt.com/viral/346502-orlando-lgbt-muslims-reaction/">https://www.rt.com/viral/346502-orlando ... -reaction/">https://www.rt.com/viral/346502-orlando-lgbt-muslims-reaction/

[RW]

There have been many who tried. Not only islamics but Westerners shredded them.



You see, to advocate fixing it one must first define "what is wrong" with it. Not only islamics attacked that but many silly Westerners have done so as well .. getting all uppity and protective about criticism of islam - a catch 22 / no win scenario from both directions



A Canadian gal Irshad Manji is trying to change it .. got a lot of free publicity a decade ago and she has gone nowhere



Zuhdi Jasser has been trying for over a decade. While he still gets press, as to fixing islam, nada



Ayaan Ali is now full bore fix islam mode.



There have been many more on local and world stages. All shot down in flames. Most having to live under heavy guard as well as being pariahs to the very Westerners who support islam

Let's be crystal clear cc, calling for the ban of Muslims from our society is NOT criticism of Islam.  The dialogue I have witnessed first hand has not been constructive, productive or otherwise.

[cc]

You are not replying to what you quoted.



 You are merely charging along the same path to nowhere we saw a decade ago



Nothing has improved despite efforts of many. In fact, islam is far more devout today than a decade ago

[RW]

You are not replying to what you quoted.

Sure I am.  I am making a point on your point about people getting "uppity" about criticisms of Islam.



I suppose I should just come out and say how disappointed I am that you sit silence while these prairie boys call for the banning and expulsion of Muslims from the west.  You and I have been over this so many times where the differentiation was clearly made between Islamists and Muslims.  Now I see you sitting silent to this blatant bigotry.  You know better and so much more yet you still sit there like a lame duck.



*shakes head*

[Twenty Dollars]

Women have and nurture males into evil men



If we "neuteralized" women, then they would be stopped from creating evil men



discuss ..

the way you worded that?? Can I get a hit of yours first? Gotta be killer.

[cc]

I am going out right now for a spin in another kind of bird. Will address that  later RW

[RW]

I am going out right now for a spin in another kind of bird. Will address that  later RW

Have fun!  I hope the weather holds out for you.



ac_hithere

[Anonymous]

Militancy is a problem.  No one denies that or fails to recognize that.  The debate should not start and end with "Islam is evil".  That's an intellectually lazy answer to a very complicated issue.

I think killing people who insult the prophet is evil. What is worse than that though is that not a small number of Western Muslims think it is justified.



Like old Shen Li always says, Islam is incompatible with Western or Eastern values.

So how is it that so many Muslims live just fine in our country Herman?  Like over a million of them.

What Herman said applies to a segment of the Muslim population throughout the Western world. We are not an island.

[Anonymous]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/14/living/orlando-muslims-statement/">http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/14/living/or ... statement/">http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/14/living/orlando-muslims-statement/



"More than 200 Muslims, including dozens of American imams and scholars, have issued a joint statement condemning the attacks on a gay night club in Orlando on Sunday that killed 49 people."



...



"The attack again put American Muslims on the defensive, just days after they had mourned the passing and celebrated the life of Muhammad Ali, the charismatic boxer who, many hoped, had definitively answered the question of whether Muslim-Americans can successfully embrace multiple identities."



[How did Mohammed Ali do in terms of integration?]



In their statement, the Muslim scholars, imams and community leaders, most from the United States, said Ali, not ISIS, embodies the values of their faith. They also decry the concept of "collective guilt" that holds all Muslims responsible for terrorist attacks, and warn against simplistic philosophies that pit Americans and Muslims against each other.

That's wonderful and everything, but nearly half of Muslims in some Western want sharia law which includes banning homosexuality.



I know not all Muslims are fundamentalists that want cartoons depicting the prophet Mohammad made a hate crime, but too many do.

[Anonymous]

Militancy is a problem.  No one denies that or fails to recognize that.  The debate should not start and end with "Islam is evil".  That's an intellectually lazy answer to a very complicated issue.

I think killing people who insult the prophet is evil. What is worse than that though is that not a small number of Western Muslims think it is justified.



Like old Shen Li always says, Islam is incompatible with Western or Eastern values.

Shen Li is right about Islam. But, like RW keeps repeating, not all Muslims subscribe to Islamic orthodoxy. Unfortunately, not a small number do.

[RW]

Militancy is a problem.  No one denies that or fails to recognize that.  The debate should not start and end with "Islam is evil".  That's an intellectually lazy answer to a very complicated issue.

I think killing people who insult the prophet is evil. What is worse than that though is that not a small number of Western Muslims think it is justified.



Like old Shen Li always says, Islam is incompatible with Western or Eastern values.

Shen Li is right about Islam. But, like RW keeps repeating, not all Muslims subscribe to Islamic orthodoxy. Unfortunately, not a small number do.

So why did you call for the ban of Islam in the western world then?

[JOE]

Women have and nurture males into evil men



If we "neuteralized" women, then they would be stopped from creating evil men



discuss ..

I read somewhere that Adolf Hitler's mother was a sweet woman whom the future tyrant loved and adored..But it was the father who was a very strict & mean man who used to beat and berate his son.



http://www.history.ucsb.edu/faculty/marcuse/classes/33d/33dWImages/KlaraAloisHitler250pxw.png">



So perhaps of Adolf had a kinder father, he wouldn't have himself turned out so mean.

[JOE]

Like Adolf Hitler, Omar Mateen had a very strict, tough, domineering and disciplinary father. The dad used to accuse him of being gay in front of his wife, and instilled into young Omar, a hatred of homosexuals:



http://www.trbimg.com/img-575e2ce0/turbine/os-orlando-mass-shooting-omar-mateen-father-20160612">



But of course, Omar Mateen himself appears to have been gay, which fueled his own destructive self-hatred and led to him massacring scores of partygoers in an Orlando gay night club.



Doesn't appear that Omar's mother as much to do with him turning out the way he did.



http://i2.wp.com/radaronline.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Orlando-Shooting-Omar-Mateen-Mother-Shahla-Mateen-Domestic-Violence-Arrest-Mugshot-pp.jpg?resize=540%2C400">



She was likely a typical submissive Muslim wife who gave in to the wrath of a domineering husband with a violent temper. Yet there are reports that even she had run-ins with the Law over domestic violence incidents. Omar appears to have come from and been raised in a dysfunctional household which had a lot to do with his turning out the way he did.

[Anonymous]

Militancy is a problem.  No one denies that or fails to recognize that.  The debate should not start and end with "Islam is evil".  That's an intellectually lazy answer to a very complicated issue.

I think killing people who insult the prophet is evil. What is worse than that though is that not a small number of Western Muslims think it is justified.



Like old Shen Li always says, Islam is incompatible with Western or Eastern values.

Shen Li is right about Islam. But, like RW keeps repeating, not all Muslims subscribe to Islamic orthodoxy. Unfortunately, not a small number do.

So why did you call for the ban of Islam in the western world then?

Did you not read this part; Unfortunately, not a small number do.

[Anonymous]

I know not all Muslims are fundamentalists that want cartoons depicting the prophet Mohammad made a hate crime, but too many do.

Funny you should mention that Jock.



Poll: 1 in 3 Muslims in the US support violence against those who insult Muhammad, Quran or Islam

http://pamelageller.com/2015/06/poll-1-in-3-muslims-in-the-us-support-violence-against-those-who-insult-muhammad-quran-or-islam.html/">http://pamelageller.com/2015/06/poll-1- ... slam.html/">http://pamelageller.com/2015/06/poll-1-in-3-muslims-in-the-us-support-violence-against-those-who-insult-muhammad-quran-or-islam.html/