China'BOXED

[Securious]

[size=200] Fasten your safety belts Canadians our currency is about to be corrected![/size]



Here's where China takes on the world  as neo colonialists on a grand scale and comes out on top while we are left floundering like flatfish wondering what just hit us. China has been preparing for its down-turn for many years now gathering up needed commodities for its endurance during its time of trial. Is it war!...Damn right it is, but non dare call it that.



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[Securious]

she's causing a stink with her resistance on the ban.[/u]

This is a kind of who cares thing for me. Much like Pamela Anderson's opposition to the Newfoundland seal hunt. What I don't like are municipal councils dictating what people can eat, how long they can idle their vehicles or whether grocery stores can hand out plastic bags.

In principle I would normally agree with you as I feel the same about others telling me what to do or not,how to live my life, government, special interest groups,  etc.. But China has and will always be the classic case of seeing medical benefits in all exotic and unusual beast of the earth, and by extracting a part just for some efficacious ointments or ungulates, tonics etc it has no scruples but to get them at all costs. We on the other hand see the benefit of a healthy eco-system, a balance in all things and not rape and pillage for curtailing erectile dysfunction where common or garden exercise  would have been prescribed.

No China is simply wrong-headed here. I disagree.

[Gary Oak]

About a dozen years ago a couple of investigating reporters if my memory serves me correctly came from either the USA or the UK fell out of a window on the fifth floor of some building and died. Everybody knew that they didn't accidentally fall out. They had been investigating government collusion in the people smuggling industry. What I am saying is that as Canada is the number one country in the world that they want to take over as they have Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand and also have taken over the economies of Cambodia,Indonesia and the Philippines and have made huge inroads in most other southeast asian nations that they are deliberately making it difficult to return them . They want as large a fifth collumn as they can get here. It is part of their multi pronged strategy to take us over. also these excess population that they manage to unload on us live a better life here and China no longer has to take responsibility for them.



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[Gary Oak]

Once again Harper  comes through as the best prime minister in my lifetime by far. I find east indian girls very attractive but I strongly suspect that if I was to learn their languages history culture etc...as I did China and chinese peopel I am now thinking that I am going to be in for the same rude awakening that they too are trying to take over and only see Canadians as stupid suckers to take advantage of. We have enough white crooks. Do we need to import more ? At least the filipinos as a rule like us , and want to be Canadians. With at least 4 billion people wanting to live in Canada do we really need to let in people who see us as the enemy standing in the way of them taking over the country ? When I first came to China I thought I speak the language and I want to be a friend to China and chinese people but after backstab after backstab  while I was studying and learning about them the reality of how things really are was bound to sink in. Their mentality it appears to have been that they had better cheat  me before others cheat me and wisen me up to how they are like.



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[Gary Oak]

Stay on topic you slutbag passport ho. What I wrote is very understandable

[Securious]

now now there you two

[Romero]

Once again Harper  comes through as the best prime minister in my lifetime by far.

Because of the big trade agreement he just signed with China?

An analysis by Andrew Nikiforuk of Prime Minister Stephen Harper's recent dealings with China has drawn intense interest, garnering within several days nearly 7,000 Facebook recommends and tweeted over 400 times. The opinion piece, published on the Tyee Thursday and headlined "Chairman Harper and the Chinese Sell-Out" cites the FIPA agreement Harper has completed with China, set to be automatically made law, without requirement of Parliamentary debate, on Nov. 1. Green Party leader Elizabeth May has called for an emergency debate in the House of Commons.



In his piece, Nikiforuk defines what is at stake this way:



"By Nov. 1 three of China's national oil companies will have more power to shape Canada's energy markets as well as challenge the politics of this country than Canadians themselves...



"The new agreement will not only support more foreign takeovers of Canada's natural resources, but pave the way for CNOOC's dramatic $15-billion purchase of Nexen.



"That controversial deal, which the majority of ordinary Canadians oppose, represents the largest-ever overseas takeover of any firm by a Chinese national oil company."



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[Securious]

[size=200]Chinese Workers Will Be Here For Years To Come[/size]



Incidently,this would have been acheived by any of the other political parties, regardless, all have been infiltrated by the Chinese.



 Mines are not prepared to pay enough to attract Canadian workers, say employment experts By Peter O'Neil, Vancouver Sun

October 14, 2012  



 A truck is loaded with coal at a northeastern B.C. mine. New mines are looking to Ottawa to allow them to bring workers from China after failing to tempt Canadian workers to sign on.

Photograph by: Handout, Vancouver SunThe hundreds of "temporary" foreign workers coming from China starting this autumn to work in northeastern B.C. coal mines will end up staying for years, if not decades, predicts the president of a B.C.-based employment agency.



And some of them may end up getting ripped off and even going home in caskets if the B.C. government doesn't ensure proper regulation, said Kael Campbell, president of the Red Seal Group, a Victoria firm that helps match companies with skilled tradespeople across Canada.



"There is a true shortage of workers in northern B.C.," said Campbell, a former employment standards officer in the B.C. Labour Ministry. "These Chinese workers are not going to be replaced by Canadians in this current economy. They will likely be nominated by the company for permanent residency and work in northern B.C. for years, if not decades."



Campbell said he has no problem with the argument from government and industry officials that the Temporary Foreign Worker (TFW) program is an economic necessity.



"Chinese coal miners built towns like Cumberland, B.C., and were a huge part of the founding of Canada (by working) on the railway."



But he said there should be a long-term plan to integrate the workers that goes far beyond the employer's plan to teach each of the 200 workers recently approved by Ottawa a list of 100 English words related to safety and technical matters.



"We really have to question how a miner who knows 100 words in English will know what their rights are or how to follow" government-mandated safety procedures.



He cited one incident in 2007 when two Chinese nationals brought to Canada under the TFW program died when the roof of a holding tank collapsed over their heads at an oilsands project north of Fort McMurray.



The Alberta government confirmed in June of 2008 that an investigation determined the workers were being shortchanged.



The widow of one of the accident victims, Ge Genbao, said her husband told her he would make the equivalent of $600 a month. He should have been making $30 an hour, or at least $4,800 a month, plus overtime and benefits, according to the union that represented the workers, the Edmonton Journal reported.



SSEC Canada Ltd., the Canadian subsidiary of Chinese state-owned oil giant Sinopec, pleaded guilty last month of failing to ensure the safety of the workers killed and injured in the accident during construction of the Canadian Natural Resources Ltd.'s $10.8-billion Horizon oilsands project.



The Crown is seeking a fine of $500,000, according to the Edmonton Journal. Sentencing is set for Jan. 24.



Campbell estimates that about 15 per cent of temporary foreign workers in B.C. are scammed out of part of their pay, often by middlemen in Canada or in the country of origin.



He said the B.C. Employment Standards Act, which covers temporary foreign workers, has a maximum penalty of $10,000, far short of the $100,000 fine and two-year jail sentence that can be imposed under new legislation in Alberta.



He said the B.C. government also needs to ensure that the employer has qualified safety officers who can communicate with the workers in their language. The B.C. Labour Ministry also needs to have Mandarin- and Cantonese-speaking officers who can speak to the workers.



"The B.C. government should be asking what is happening to ensure some of these workers don't end up going home in coffins."



The B.C. Ministry of Jobs, Tourism and Skills Training said Friday that provincial rules require "underground coal mine managers and foremen to be fluent in the English language and pass an examination in English."



The Vancouver Sun reported earlier this week that a group of companies, all Chinese with the exception of a Vancouver company founded by a Chinese-Canadian, plan to use hundreds of Chinese temporary workers at four separate underground coal mine operations in northeastern B.C.



Only one of the four, the Murray River project near Tumbler Ridge, is at the environmental review stage. It is slated to begin full production in 2015. The other three projects are at various stages of development and have many more hurdles to overcome before becoming operational.



The president of the company involved in developing all four properties said the consortium tried and failed to find Canadian workers because of an "extreme" shortage of workers with training and underground mining experience.



Naishun Liu of Canadian Dehua International Mines Group Inc. said the companies had no option but to hire experienced Chinese workers.



"Using foreign workers is an expensive choice as the employer has to provide full transportation (and) accommodation, which costs (the) employer much more than hiring local Canadians."



He said the mine will have bilingual interpreters and well-qualified supervisors in accordance with Canadian standards.



"Our goal is to ensure the foreign workers earn the wage no lower than Canadian workers," Liu wrote The Vancouver Sun in an email Friday. "What's more, (our goal is) ZERO death rate in safety operations. Our projects will adopt the most advanced technology and equipment."



He said the companies developing the mines promise to replace Chinese temporary workers with trained Canadians within 10 years.



"Though the foreign workers are temporary, we will make efforts to encourage foreign workers to integrate ... into (the) local community by learning English and Canadian culture. There will NOT be any 'Chinatown,'" he wrote.



But the companies are finding that Canadian workers aren't willing to work for the wages on offer.



The backers of one of the four proposed coal mine projects, the Gothing underground mine project 25 kilometres west of Hudson's Hope, posted job offers last year for a dozen underground machinery mechanics, paying $25 to $32 an hour. Canadian companies are required to advertise job openings before they can obtain permits for temporary foreign workers.



Both Campbell and Karen Watt, chief executive of Excel Personnel Ltd. of Kamloops, said that rate is significantly below the industry standard. "Chances are they won't find an underground miner (in Canada) who will work for $25 an hour. I mean, they're putting their lives at risk," Watt said.



Even $32 an hour, or about $66,000 a year, is low, she said, adding that qualified and experienced underground miners make anywhere from $73,000 to $120,000 a year.



She said she agreed with Campbell that the workers will inevitably apply for permanent residency, given the relatively high wage rates in Canada compared to China's.



Jody Shimkus, vice-president of environmental and regulatory affairs at HD Mining International Ltd., which is developing the Murray River project with Dehua, said the Canadian government accepted her company's application for foreign workers after the company advertised the jobs at "competitive" wages in Canada and couldn't find experienced personnel.



HD Mining, which is developing the Murray River project with Canadian Dehua, will be following all Canadian and B.C. safety rules and will ensure that employees are treated fairly, she said

[Gary Oak]

The free market may call for foreign guest workers but if a people from a nation have proven themselves to be united against Canada to a sufficient degree such as Chinese immigrants have proven to be then shouldn't the welcome matt be taken away and given to those who actually like Canadians ?

[Romero]

Chinese immigrants aren't against Canada. They love it here and they love this country. They become excellent citizens.



Your hatred doesn't make them bad people. It makes you a bad person.

[Securious]

Unfortunately on the surface this appears incredulous but dig a little and one finds it to be true. Sadly most dont bother these days; China banks on that Mr. Oak.

Its in their interest to silence the likes of CSIS Directors such as Richard Fadden,the government has done a skillfull job at that we see...making you a good person, sorry Romero.

[Romero]

You think Shen Li is against Canada?

[Securious]

I think she is great and more power to her. Do you think she is great Romero?

[Securious]

[size=150]Bleakness In the Markets, Not Looking Good For China[/size]



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[Romero]

I think she is great and more power to her. Do you think she is great Romero?

I wouldn't say "great" but she's not against Canada.



It's pretty disgusting of you and Gary to accuse Chinese immigrants of being against Canada. Innocent, fine people that you two know nothing about. Hating them just because they're Chinese.