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Started by Angry White Male, December 07, 2016, 10:57:19 PM

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Angry White Male

Here's the deal.  I've decided to feed some Hummingbirds that have decided to make their home around here for the Winter.



There's a bit of a cold-snap that has hit here, and temps are now consistently at or below freezing, day and night.  This creates an issue trying to keep the sugar-water from freezing.



Now, I have seen a design online that utilizes the heat from a 7 Watt night-light blub mounted underneath the feeder in an "enclosure."  This is apparently just enough to keep the feeder from freezing.



This is a very simple wiring and install job for me, but there's one thing I wonder about, since I'm not an electrician...  Since this is obviously going to be used outdoors, are there any tips or precautions I should know about?  The biggest thing I was wondering about was if it would be prudent for me to wire in some kind of in-line fuse with a trip amperage far less than the trip amperage of the fuse in my main electrical box?

Berry Sweet

Please dont do anything drunk and dumb.  Go buy something legal and proper working condition.  The birds deserve it.

kiebers

Are you doing this on a balcony? Is there a ground fault plug on the patio? It is built into my house is why I ask. Other wise I would say yes you would want to do some kind of low amp fusing.
I've learned that if someone asks you a really stupid question and you reply by telling them what time it is, they'll leave you alone

Angry White Male

Quote from: "Berry Sweet"Please dont do anything drunk and dumb.  Go buy something legal and proper working condition.  The birds deserve it.


A product like this is not easy to purchase in Canada, since they don't sell such an item.



Wiring of an item like this is easy.  I replaced my indoor light fixtures myself, 'cause I didn't like the ones that were here.  The place hasn't burnt down yet.



It's moreso how important a low-amperage in-line fuse would be...



I ask this, as at one time I had my Christmas lights strung to my aluminum railing, and if it rained enough, the lights would actually "seep" enough to very mildly charge the railing.  Just a minor charge when railing touched.  The house fuse did NOT blow.  I no longer hang them there.



Just basically need to know what, if any, additional safety measures should be implemented for a very low wattage (7 amp) bulb to be used in an outdoor environment.

Berry Sweet

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^^ it really doesnt need to be that close...buy a low wattage one and place further away...make sure it is secured properly as it does get hot...I use those for my lizards...they give off good heat.

Angry White Male

Quote from: "kiebers"Are you doing this on a balcony? Is there a ground fault plug on the patio? It is built into my house is why I ask. Other wise I would say yes you would want to do some kind of low amp fusing.


Yes, on a patio.



The outlet has ground-fault plug.  However, I'm certain that any 7 watt night-light unit will only be a two-prong...

Angry White Male

Quote from: "Berry Sweet"http://ednewbold.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/hummingbird-feeder-Pollack2.jpg">


This is what I'm sort of doing, except properly, unlike the hack that cobbled this ^^^ together...

Berry Sweet

Quote from: "Angry White Male"
Quote from: "Berry Sweet"Please dont do anything drunk and dumb.  Go buy something legal and proper working condition.  The birds deserve it.


A product like this is not easy to purchase in Canada,


Did you look online?

RW

Buy a proper heated hummingbird feeder rather than trying to rig one.
Beware of Gaslighters!

Angry White Male

Quote from: "RW"Buy a proper heated hummingbird feeder rather than trying to rig one.


Read the thread.  You can't find them for sale in Canada.  If you could, I'd go and buy one.

Angry White Male

Basically I want to bust the nightlight housing apart, permanently install it in an enclosure that sits under the feeder, and hardwire it to an extension cord.



This is a very simple thing to do, and would work.  Trust me, my quality is good.  As stated, I installed all my new indoor light fixtures, so I'm quite able to twist a few wires together.



The only question I'm asking is whether or not it would be prudent to add any extra safeguards, like a low-amp in-line fuse.



I'm not asking whether or not you think I should do it.  I don't recall asking that question.

Angry White Male

So kiebers, you think just running a two prong with a low amperage in-line would be a safe bet?



Assuming a "standard" 7 Watt bulb would be the only thing ever running through this line, would you know of a desirable fuse amp rating for this circuit, obviously assuming it would have to handle the odd spike that's inherent in any circuits?

Berry Sweet

Im sure youre great at everything Mel...so why bother to ask here?

Angry White Male

Quote from: "Berry Sweet"Im sure youre great at everything Mel...so why bother to ask here?


Just wanted to see if anyone has some electrical knowledge they'd like to share.



That's why I asked.  I thought the title of this thread was quite clear.  Did you read the title of this thread, Berry?

RW

Quote from: "Angry White Male"
Quote from: "RW"Buy a proper heated hummingbird feeder rather than trying to rig one.


Read the thread.  You can't find them for sale in Canada.  If you could, I'd go and buy one.


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Beware of Gaslighters!