Dreamers and DACA

[Harry]

Don't get me wrong, I think a government should, and must, keep its borders secure.  Down here, it's relatively easy because our country is surrounded by water, and we have some of the most hard-line immigration policies in the western world.



The problem with the US is they appear not to have ever enforced their border control effectively, regardless of the color of the administration.  Whether it was a form of implied consent, or not, I don't know, and I'm not about to research it.  But when you find your country has 11 million people living in it illegally, it's obviously a problem that didn't spring up overnight, or in the last year, or 10, or 20...



From the outside, looking in, these so-called "Dreamers" seem to be a special case.  We're talking about late teens and 20-somethings born in the US, educated in the US, trained in the US, and probably more loyal to the US than their country of birth.  800,000 of them.



Shipping them all out makes no sense to me.



http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/09/04/daca-trump-expected-to-end-dreamers-immigration-program.html">//http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/09/04/daca-trump-expected-to-end-dreamers-immigration-program.html

[Harry]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-daca/trump-to-scrap-protection-for-dreamers-give-congress-six-months-to-fix-idUSKCN1BF02F">//https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-daca/trump-to-scrap-protection-for-dreamers-give-congress-six-months-to-fix-idUSKCN1BF02F

Trump to scrap protection for 'Dreamers,' give Congress six months to fix

Steve Holland



WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Donald Trump has decided to scrap a program shielding from deportation immigrants who came to the United States illegally as children but will give Congress six months to craft legislation to replace it, sources familiar with the situation said.



The president decided to delay enforcement of his decision to end the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, or DACA, the two sources said on Sunday. One source cautioned that the president could change his mind.



The decision to give Congress half a year to come up with an alternative, first reported by Politico, represents a compromise of sorts after top Republicans and business leaders asked Trump to keep the program.



DACA, an Obama administration policy, protects nearly 800,000 young men and women often called "Dreamers" from deportation and allows them to work legally.



Dreamers are a fraction of the estimated 11 million illegal immigrants in the United States, most of them Hispanic. Trump as a candidate promised to deport all of them, but many Americans have rallied to support the young adults who have spent large parts of their lives in the United States.



The decision, to be announced on Tuesday, will seek to placate both sides in the immigration debate at a time when the president is also grappling with North Korea's nuclear program and Houston's recovery from Hurricane Harvey.



DIVIDED REPUBLICANS



As a candidate, Trump pledged to immediately scrap the program but he ran into stiff opposition.



House of Representatives Speaker Paul Ryan urged Trump on Friday not to rescind the program and was joined by Senator Orrin Hatch, also a Republican.

FILE PHOTO - People hold signs against U.S. President Donald Trump's proposed end of the DACA program that protects immigrant children from deportation at a protest in New York City, U.S., August 30, 2017. REUTERS/Joe Penney



Representative Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, a Cuban-American Republican from Florida tweeted her dismay with the decision to scrap DACA: "After teasing #Dreamers for months with talk of his 'great heart,' @POTUS slams door on them. Some 'heart'."



That said, Trump's base will likely be far from happy about the president's decision to leave open the option of a fix. Representative Steve King, a hawk on immigration and Iowa Republican, tweeted his opposition to the plan on Sunday night.



Democrats, like Senator Al Franken of Minnesota, also wanted the program to continue. Franken called the reported decision a "disgrace."



Nancy Pelosi, the top House Democrat, last week asked Ryan to meet with Democratic lawmakers to discuss a "comprehensive legislative solution."



Leading business figures defended the Dreamers, including Microsoft chief executive Satya Nadella and Facebook Inc (FB.O) CEO Mark Zuckerberg, who signed a letter to the president outlining the economic contribution of Dreamers.



Prior to the news of Trump's action, Apple Inc (AAPL.O) CEO Tim Cook tweeted, "250 of my Apple coworkers are #Dreamers. I stand with them."



But U.S. Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin downplayed those warnings on Sunday, telling Fox News Sunday he was "less concerned about the economic impact."



Most of the Dreamers came from Mexico and elsewhere in Latin America. More than 200,000 live in California, while 100,000 are in Texas. New York, Illinois and Florida also have large numbers.



Congress under presidents of both parties has been unable to pass comprehensive immigration reform. What to do about Dreamers has been actively debated within the White House and Trump administration. One senior administration official described the debate as a "tug of war" between factions.



DACA supporters argue that the people it protects grew up and are U.S. educated and integrated into American society, with little connection to the countries in which they are citizens. Opponents of the program argue that illegal immigrants take jobs from U.S. citizens.

[GORDY GAMBINO]

our country is surrounded by water.....girt by sea ??????



your as fucken yarpie aintcha ?   ;)

[Harry]

your as fucken yarpie aintcha ?   ;)

No Seth Efrikaan blood here.  

[Anonymous]

The problem with the US is they appear not to have ever enforced their border control effectively, regardless of the color of the administration.  Whether it was a form of implied consent, or not, I don't know, and I'm not about to research it.  But when you find your country has 11 million people living in it illegally, it's obviously a problem that didn't spring up overnight, or in the last year, or 10, or 20...

It makes no difference which party controls the executive and legislative branches of government. American agriculture in particular is dependent on illegal labour.

[Angry White Male]

America was built on cheap slave labour, and that very mentality continues to this day.



THAT is why nothing will ever change...  Big Business does NOT want to lose its pool of minimum wage (or less) slaves, and big business has more clout than you think.

[Anonymous]

America was built on cheap slave labour, and that very mentality continues to this day.



THAT is why nothing will ever change...  Big Business does NOT want to lose its pool of minimum wage (or less) slaves, and big business has more clout than you think.

Americans want, no demand abundant low cost food.

[Angry White Male]

Exactly.  America may hate Wal Mart, but it DEMANDS Wal Mart keeps rolling back prices...  There is only ONE way to do this.

[Harry]

Reading between the lines, Mnuchin is saying nothing is going to happen:



http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/steven-mnuchin-not-worried-about-economic-impact-of-ending-daca/article/2633307">//http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/steven-mnuchin-not-worried-about-economic-impact-of-ending-daca/article/2633307

Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said Sunday he was not worried about any financial fallout related to ending the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, despite business advocates warning the deportation of so-called "Dreamers" could cause the economy to shed $460 billion. "



"As it relates to immigration, the president is very focused on legal immigration," Mnuchin told Chris Wallace on "Fox News Sunday." "As it relates to the economic impact, I am less concerned about the economic impact. We'll make sure that we have plenty of workers in this economy."

In any event, why focus on the 800,000 Dreamers, when there are 11 million illegals in the country?  Is it just because, having submitted their paperwork, they are on record and are easier to find?



Surely, these 800,000 US-educated people are of significant value to the economy?

[Angry White Male]

My guess is that the American raised "dreamers" aren't contributing to the economy, whereas the illegals are much loved by business owners, and home owners alike, as cheap labour!

[Anonymous]

Reading between the lines, Mnuchin is saying nothing is going to happen:



http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/steven-mnuchin-not-worried-about-economic-impact-of-ending-daca/article/2633307">//http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/steven-mnuchin-not-worried-about-economic-impact-of-ending-daca/article/2633307

Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said Sunday he was not worried about any financial fallout related to ending the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, despite business advocates warning the deportation of so-called "Dreamers" could cause the economy to shed $460 billion. "



"As it relates to immigration, the president is very focused on legal immigration," Mnuchin told Chris Wallace on "Fox News Sunday." "As it relates to the economic impact, I am less concerned about the economic impact. We'll make sure that we have plenty of workers in this economy."

In any event, why focus on the 800,000 Dreamers, when there are 11 million illegals in the country?  Is it just because, having submitted their paperwork, they are on record and are easier to find?



Surely, these 800,000 US-educated people are of significant value to the economy?

Congress has a window of opportunity to save DACA.



Actually, this administration has been very aggressive in arresting illegals compared to previous white house occupants. Deportation orders are up 31 per cent. Executive orders have cut funding for sanctuary cities even though part of it has been blocked by a judge.

[Angry White Male]

I hope they don't become Canada's problem...

[Harry]

I hope they don't become Canada's problem...

Some of them, at least, will wind up down here.



In return, we'll be sending the US some Muslims.



http://www.smh.com.au/world/australia-to-accept-first-central-american-refugees-under-us-deal-sources-20170725-gxilx8.html">//http://www.smh.com.au/world/australia-to-accept-first-central-american-refugees-under-us-deal-sources-20170725-gxilx8.html

[Harry]

This is what we tell would-be illegals before they even make the effort to be smuggled in.

[realgrimm]

Chicago made itself a Trump Free Zone over the Dreamers Programme





http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/chicago-mayor-trump-free-zone-rahm-emanuel-daca-dreamers-programme-us-president-sanctuary-city-a7931646.html">//http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/chicago-mayor-trump-free-zone-rahm-emanuel-daca-dreamers-programme-us-president-sanctuary-city-a7931646.html