Title: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on December 24, 2022, 12:41:25 AM
Post by: Herman on December 24, 2022, 12:41:25 AM
1) no price penalty for being unreliable
2) huge subsidies for unreliables
3) mandates for unreliables
By Alex Epstein
The Opportunity
America, given its combination of abundant domestic energy resources, technological ingenuity, and free-market competition, has the potential to have the best grid in the world—providing electricity that is low-cost, ultra-reliable, and increasingly clean.
The Problem
Although America could have world-leading electricity, the American grid is instead becoming a national embarrassment—with rising costs and mounting reliability problems, most problematically in California and Texas but now spreading around the country.¹
The cause
A root cause of America's cost and reliability problems is extreme preferences for unreliable solar and wind electricity:
1) no price penalty for being unreliable
2) huge subsidies for unreliables
3) mandates for unreliables
Here's how they work and how to fix them.
Unreliability preference 1: no price penalty for being unreliable
In almost every area of life we pay far more for a reliable service than for an unreliable one. But in electricity, unfair rules make utilities pay the same for unreliable solar and wind as they do for reliables.
Policy solution: Electricity markets should require all generators to meet technology-neutral reliability standards.
The Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC) and ERCOT (the Texas regulator) should set reliability standards that all competitors must meet—not allow some to sell unreliable electricity, as they do now.
Technology-neutral reliability standards do not prevent solar and wind from being used.
They simply require that generators who want to use solar and wind take responsibility for combining it with reliables and/or storage to guarantee reliability. Instead of foisting responsibility on others.
Technology-neutral reliability standards may well lead to innovative, truly cost-effective uses of solar and wind—e.g., solar/gas/battery hybrid generators in sunny parts of the country that can provide reliable electricity at lower costs.
Any company or academic who believes that solar and wind can be cost-effective generation sources on a large scale should welcome technology-neutral reliability standards.
They can try to prove their ideas on the market—not force us to use unreliables and then trust that it'll work out.
With tech-neutral reliability standards, electricity "markets" can function as competitive markets—lowering costs and raising reliability—since all competitors will have to offer the same level of value.
Subsidies for unreliable electricity, above all the Investment Tax Credit and the Production Tax Credit, force taxpayers to pay huge amounts of extra money to unreliable solar and wind generators.
The "Investment Tax Credit" and "Production Tax Credit" solar and wind subsidies pay utilities to shut down or slow down reliable gas and coal plants whenever the sun shines or the wind blows. This defunds reliable plants, causing many to be shut down.²
Solar and wind subsidies are driving reliable power plants out of business, leading to higher costs and lower reliability.
Ominously, the "Inflation Reduction Act" recently extended them indefinitely.
A future Congress should end solar and wind subsidies, driving lower prices and higher reliability.³
The "Inflation Reduction Act" pretended to be pro-nuclear by including nuclear under "clean energy" subsidies. But since nuclear overregulation makes new plants cost-prohibitive, the IRA's endless "clean energy" subsidies created an endless trough for solar and wind.
Another solar and wind subsidy of the IRA is "green hydrogen." The IRA forces us to give those who make hydrogen using solar and wind an extra $3/kg. That's twice the normal market price! This is like forcing taxpayers to pay gas stations an extra $8/gallon!⁴
Another form of subsidy to eliminate: government subsidizing unreliable solar and wind by socializing their costs, such as additional transmission lines or redundant backup capacity. This subsidy further rewards unreliable electricity at the expense of reliables and of customers.
Solar and wind subsidies not only drive the shutdown of reliable power plants and loot taxpayers, they also inflate electricity prices. Because solar and wind can go near-zero at any given time, they don't replace most of the costs of reliable power plants—they add to them.
The combination of no price penalty for unreliability and special subsidies for unreliables means that instead of unreliables receiving far less dollars than reliables, they get a huge premium. And more and more reliable power plants go out of business.⁵
Policy solution: End all subsidies for unreliables.
Abolish the Investment Tax Credit and Production Tax Credit. Stop "green hydrogen" subsidies. Require generators using solar and wind to pay for the extra infrastructure they need instead of forcing others to foot the bill.
Even beyond paying a premium for unreliable electricity, many states mandate a certain percentage of unreliable solar and wind—and states are becoming more and more aggressive with those mandates. Another dire threat to our grid.⁶
Policy solution: End all mandates for unreliable solar and wind
These mandates, which require areas to use solar or wind and shut down reliable fossil fuels and nuclear, regardless of the impact on cost and reliability, should be ended at every level: national, state, and local.
Summary: America can stop the decline of our grid and move toward low-cost, reliable, and cleaner electricity by ending all preferences for unreliable electricity:
1. Require tech-neutral reliability standards
2. End all solar and wind subsidies
3. End all solar and wind mandates
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on December 24, 2022, 12:46:13 AM
Post by: Herman on December 24, 2022, 12:46:13 AM
The green energy movement, including the Biden Administration, is celebrating a technical breakthrough in nuclear fusion, in order to distract from the catastrophic consequences of its anti-fission, anti-fossil-fuel policies.
In its first 2 years the Biden administration, through its anti-fossil fuel policies, has helped cause the worst energy crisis since the 1970s.
Instead of reversing course it's using a technical breakthrough in fusion to pretend everything is going great.¹
But a research breakthrough that, optimistically, will be useful in several decades, doesn't change the fact of today's ruinous energy policies.
Real energy leadership by the US would mean passing policies that make possible energy abundance today using fossil fuels and nuclear fission and enabling technologies such as nuclear fusion in the future. Instead this Administration has opposed fossil fuels and done nothing to decriminalize fission.²
Nuclear fission—generating energy by splitting (fissioning) the nuclei of atoms—has been an epic and preventable tragedy for the past 50+ years thanks to the Green movement, which has demonized it as dangerous and regulated it to the point of effective criminalization.³
In the 1970s, we had fission that was cost-effective—producing low-cost, reliable electricity in the cleanest and safest way ever achieved. And yet the Green movement's false portrayal of fission as dangerous has made it so regulated that fission costs many times what it used to!
Real nuclear leadership means radical reform to "decriminalize" fission, such as: banish the pseudoscientific "linear no-threshold model" from public agencies and eliminate the ability of anti-development activists to be involved in the nuclear permitting process.⁴
Instead of acting to decriminalize fission, this administration has at best called for new subsidies. But these won't unleash fission's potential. Consider: Since the Nuclear Regulatory Commission was established in 1974, no nuclear plant has gone through the full process of conception to completion.
While doing nothing meaningful to unleash fission's potential, the Biden Administration has engaged in meaningful destruction of the fossil fuel industry—the only industry that, for the foreseeable future, can provide cost-effective energy to billions in a world that needs more energy.⁵
The reason the green energy movement is hostile not just toward fossil fuels but also nuclear fission and also hydro is that "green"—"minimal human impact"—is an anti-energy idea. If you don't want us to impact Earth you ultimately must oppose every form of energy.
Observe that "green" activists are now successfully opposing the massive mining, transmission-line-building, and development involved in solar and wind—because of the large impact these have on nature.⁶
The core reason that the "green" movement opposes energy is that using energy by its nature impacts Earth. Energy is "the capacity to do work," which means transforming our environment. The more energy we use, the more we transform Earth, the more impact we have.
The fundamental hostility of the "green" movement to energy explains why throughout its history it has never supported current, cost-effective source of energy and only "supported" imaginary sources of energy that might exist in the future.
"Green" leaders supported nuclear—until it became cost-effective, at which point they demonized and criminalized it. "Green" leaders supported natural gas—until it became cost-effective on a global scale thanks to shale energy tech, at which point they demonized it as "fracking."⁷
Because the "green" movement is anti-energy, any enthusiasm its leaders express for fusion is phony; while they may claim to want clean, cheap, abundant energy before it exists, they will not like the impact it has once it exists. And in the past, green leaders admitted this.
Amory Lovins, the leader of the modern "green energy" movement, said in the 1970s: "It would be little short of disastrous for us to discover a source of clean, cheap, abundant energy, because of what we would do with it."⁸
When asked in 1989 about the prospect of fusion by the LA Times, Jeremy Rifkin said: "'It's the worst thing that could happen to our planet.' Inexhaustible power, he argues, only gives man an infinite ability to exhaust the planet's resources, to destroy its fragile balance..."⁹
When asked in 1989 about the prospect of fusion by the LA Times, leading "green" thinker Paul Ehrlich said that given society's dismal record in managing technology, the prospect of cheap, inexhaustible power from fusion is "like giving a machine gun to an idiot child."¹⁰
The world needs to reject the "green" movement and instead embrace a "human flourishing" movement that embraces intelligent human impact on Earth as a good thing, and embraces both today's most cost-effective energy sources—above all, fossil fuels—and is eager to improve on them.
To understand why fossil fuels are so valuable for the foreseeable future, and why their benefits far outweigh their negative side-effects including climate-side-effects, read this summary of my new book Fossil Future.¹¹
Given that fusion is our sun's energy source, the prospect of harnessing it for human purposes is thrilling. But we must recognize that the recent development is a research breakthrough—and that there's a huge gap between a research breakthrough and an economic breakthrough.
Research breakthroughs make possible technical breakthroughs, which make possible economic breakthroughs.
Don't make the mistake of thinking that fission has challenges that can be demonized (radioactivity, waste) but fusion doesn't. Consider temperature: the fusion breakthrough involved temps of 100M °C—100,000X hotter than nuclear fission, and 7X hotter than the center of the sun!¹⁴
Whatever the technology—fossil fuels, fission, fusion—we need leaders who embrace human flourishing, who reject "green" hostility toward human impact, and who support pro-human, truly scientific safety laws that don't hold back innovation.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Berry Sweet on December 24, 2022, 12:48:16 AM
Post by: Berry Sweet on December 24, 2022, 12:48:16 AM
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on December 24, 2022, 01:03:51 AM
Post by: Herman on December 24, 2022, 01:03:51 AM
Quote from: "Berry Sweet" post_id=488852 time=1671860896 user_id=164
Umm....wot?
That is what I say kid, wot?
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Zetsu on December 31, 2022, 03:48:30 PM
Post by: Zetsu on December 31, 2022, 03:48:30 PM
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: formosan on December 31, 2022, 04:18:51 PM
Post by: formosan on December 31, 2022, 04:18:51 PM
Quote from: Zetsu post_id=489714 time=1672519710 user_id=61
Tesla Model Y's circuit board must have gotten fried and ended up killing 2 pplac_umm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXByWF2PphM
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Zetsu on January 01, 2023, 01:09:47 PM
Post by: Zetsu on January 01, 2023, 01:09:47 PM
Quote from: formosan post_id=489716 time=1672521531 user_id=3391Quote from: Zetsu post_id=489714 time=1672519710 user_id=61
Tesla Model Y's circuit board must have gotten fried and ended up killing 2 pplac_umm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXByWF2PphM
:ohmy:
I bet the driver must have crapped in his pants when his Tesla got locked on the throttle and the brakes malfunction, made in China edition Tesla at it's finest.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: formosan on January 01, 2023, 07:30:45 PM
Post by: formosan on January 01, 2023, 07:30:45 PM
Quote from: Zetsu post_id=489793 time=1672596587 user_id=61Quote from: formosan post_id=489716 time=1672521531 user_id=3391
:ohmy:
I bet the driver must have crapped in his pants when his Tesla got locked on the throttle and the brakes malfunction, made in China edition Tesla at it's finest.:sdfjh(2):
I didn't know until this thread that Tesla had a manuafacturing plant in China..
I thought Teslas sold in China were imprted.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Lokmar on January 01, 2023, 08:38:00 PM
Post by: Lokmar on January 01, 2023, 08:38:00 PM
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Berry Sweet on January 02, 2023, 02:50:33 AM
Post by: Berry Sweet on January 02, 2023, 02:50:33 AM
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Zetsu on January 02, 2023, 07:09:42 PM
Post by: Zetsu on January 02, 2023, 07:09:42 PM
Quote from: "Berry Sweet" post_id=489863 time=1672645833 user_id=164
We should all go back to horse and buggy...or just a horse if you're solo....DD can ride a kangaroo...
Horses/humans do produce emissions too, though less than a car. The biggest source of emissions in Canada is home heating. The problem with EVs IMO is
- they're just getting more expensive purchase
- electricity rates will spike up once everyone switches to EVs (save less money in the end)
- blackouts on a common basis
- battery can't be recycled, just chemicals in the land fill
- just producing the average battery for a Tesla creates nearly an ICE's lifetime of emission
- not all electricity comes from environmentally friendly power plants
- EVs weight at least 30% more heavy and will have some traction issues on off-road or poor weather conditions
- isn't safe to park inside a garage due to chemical fires are impossible to put out
- extreme temperature conditions creates range anxiety
- the darn thing depreciates faster than any ICE in the same class
Tb fair I'll give out a few advantages
- EV have strong crash/impact resistance due to the chassis need to be reinforce to protect the batteries (don't want to imagine what will happen if the batteries blows up underneath the driver's ass)
- cheap energy cost... for now (1/4 the cost to travel compared to ICE)
EDIT
I forgot to also add another cons / pros
cons
- are bad for towing due to they have no transmissions
- lack top speed compared to other sports cars due no transmissions
pros
- can accelerate fast thanks to no gears / instant torque from big batteries
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Shen Li on January 02, 2023, 09:41:12 PM
Post by: Shen Li on January 02, 2023, 09:41:12 PM
Quote from: Zetsu post_id=489893 time=1672704582 user_id=61Quote from: "Berry Sweet" post_id=489863 time=1672645833 user_id=164
We should all go back to horse and buggy...or just a horse if you're solo....DD can ride a kangaroo...
Horses/humans do produce emissions too, though less than a car. The biggest source of emissions in Canada is home heating. The problem with EVs IMO is
- they're just getting more expensive purchase
- electricity rates will spike up once everyone switches to EVs (save less money in the end)
- blackouts on a common basis
- battery can't be recycled, just chemicals in the land fill
- just producing the average battery for a Tesla creates nearly an ICE's lifetime of emission
- not all electricity comes from environmentally friendly power plants
- EVs weight at least 30% more heavy and will have some traction issues on off-road or poor weather conditions
- isn't safe to park inside a garage due to chemical fires are impossible to put out
- extreme temperature conditions creates range anxiety
- the darn thing depreciates faster than any ICE in the same class
Tb fair I'll give out a few advantages
- EV have strong crash/impact resistance due to the chassis need to be reinforce to protect the batteries (don't want to imagine what will happen if the batteries blows up underneath the driver's ass)
- cheap energy cost... for now (1/4 the cost to travel compared to ICE)
Our premier said, Albertans, not True Dope will decide what kind of vehicles they'll buy after 2035.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Odinson on January 02, 2023, 11:24:41 PM
Post by: Odinson on January 02, 2023, 11:24:41 PM
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Shen Li on January 02, 2023, 11:51:20 PM
Post by: Shen Li on January 02, 2023, 11:51:20 PM
Quote from: Odinson post_id=489909 time=1672719881 user_id=136
They are novelty items for rich people who live in LA.
Paid for with subsidies from people that can never afford to buy them.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Frood on January 03, 2023, 01:08:08 AM
Post by: Frood on January 03, 2023, 01:08:08 AM
Quote from: "Berry Sweet" post_id=489863 time=1672645833 user_id=164
We should all go back to horse and buggy...or just a horse if you're solo....DD can ride a kangaroo...
As things continue to unravel in the years to come, we're all going to be throwing on a saddle over something which looks like you in order to get from Point A to B.
You're the landbased turbo model.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Zetsu on January 03, 2023, 12:07:58 PM
Post by: Zetsu on January 03, 2023, 12:07:58 PM
Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=489896 time=1672713672 user_id=3389Quote from: Zetsu post_id=489893 time=1672704582 user_id=61
Horses/humans do produce emissions too, though less than a car. The biggest source of emissions in Canada is home heating. The problem with EVs IMO is
- they're just getting more expensive purchase
- electricity rates will spike up once everyone switches to EVs (save less money in the end)
- blackouts on a common basis
- battery can't be recycled, just chemicals in the land fill
- just producing the average battery for a Tesla creates nearly an ICE's lifetime of emission
- not all electricity comes from environmentally friendly power plants
- EVs weight at least 30% more heavy and will have some traction issues on off-road or poor weather conditions
- isn't safe to park inside a garage due to chemical fires are impossible to put out
- extreme temperature conditions creates range anxiety
- the darn thing depreciates faster than any ICE in the same class
Tb fair I'll give out a few advantages
- EV have strong crash/impact resistance due to the chassis need to be reinforce to protect the batteries (don't want to imagine what will happen if the batteries blows up underneath the driver's ass)
- cheap energy cost... for now (1/4 the cost to travel compared to ICE)
Our premier said, Albertans, not True Dope will decide what kind of vehicles they'll buy after 2035.
In Trudeau's face
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on January 03, 2023, 03:18:26 PM
Post by: DKG on January 03, 2023, 03:18:26 PM
Quote from: Zetsu post_id=489984 time=1672765678 user_id=61Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=489896 time=1672713672 user_id=3389
Our premier said, Albertans, not True Dope will decide what kind of vehicles they'll buy after 2035.
In Trudeau's face:laugh:
I wish Ford had her courage of convictions.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Zetsu on January 03, 2023, 07:32:57 PM
Post by: Zetsu on January 03, 2023, 07:32:57 PM
Quote from: DKG post_id=489999 time=1672777106 user_id=3390Quote from: Zetsu post_id=489984 time=1672765678 user_id=61
In Trudeau's face:laugh:
I wish Ford had her courage of convictions.
What happened to Ford?
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on January 04, 2023, 09:03:31 AM
Post by: DKG on January 04, 2023, 09:03:31 AM
Quote from: Zetsu post_id=490011 time=1672792377 user_id=61Quote from: DKG post_id=489999 time=1672777106 user_id=3390
I wish Ford had her courage of convictions.
What happened to Ford?:confused1:
Doug Ford is certainly better than Ontario's alternatirves, but he is no Danielle Smith.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Zetsu on January 04, 2023, 04:40:07 PM
Post by: Zetsu on January 04, 2023, 04:40:07 PM
Quote from: DKG post_id=490096 time=1672841011 user_id=3390Quote from: Zetsu post_id=490011 time=1672792377 user_id=61
What happened to Ford?:confused1:
Doug Ford is certainly better than Ontario's alternatirves, but he is no Danielle Smith.
I'm like Doug Ford too, though Rob Ford was still my favorite politician.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on January 04, 2023, 05:40:00 PM
Post by: Oerdin on January 04, 2023, 05:40:00 PM
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on January 04, 2023, 06:41:44 PM
Post by: Herman on January 04, 2023, 06:41:44 PM
Quote from: Oerdin post_id=490151 time=1672872000 user_id=3374
Hard facts about EVs.https://youtu.be/Qf85EuQKWeQ
This has some good information. I liked the first half better than the second.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Odinson on January 04, 2023, 09:05:28 PM
Post by: Odinson on January 04, 2023, 09:05:28 PM
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on January 04, 2023, 09:12:50 PM
Post by: Herman on January 04, 2023, 09:12:50 PM
Quote from: Odinson post_id=490162 time=1672884328 user_id=136https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uw3aqgFdJZI
EV's make folks crazy.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on January 05, 2023, 10:00:27 AM
Post by: DKG on January 05, 2023, 10:00:27 AM
Quote from: Zetsu post_id=490150 time=1672868407 user_id=61Quote from: DKG post_id=490096 time=1672841011 user_id=3390
Doug Ford is certainly better than Ontario's alternatirves, but he is no Danielle Smith.
I'm like Doug Ford too, though Rob Ford was still my favorite politician.
Despite his personal demons, I liked Rob Ford. He was a people's champion.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Breakfall on January 08, 2023, 03:18:26 AM
Post by: Breakfall on January 08, 2023, 03:18:26 AM
Quote from: Odinson post_id=490162 time=1672884328 user_id=136https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uw3aqgFdJZI
I hate reading about people trying to kill their entire family because they're weak as piss. Kill yourself sure...but leave others out of it. The quack needs a lobotomy.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on January 12, 2023, 07:24:49 PM
Post by: Herman on January 12, 2023, 07:24:49 PM
Government policies are pushing ever more Americans on to the U.S. electric grid even as the climate change alarmism experiment makes the grid increasingly unstable.
In August, Massachusetts joined California, New York, and Washington in passing laws to restrict the use of oil and gas in new home construction. Several states have also set dates for banning the sale of gasoline-powered cars.
At the federal level, the electrification effort has included heavy subsidies for electric vehicles (EVs) and charging stations, even a contemplated ban on gas stoves. On top of government efforts comes the environmental, social, and governance (ESG) movement, which has succeeded in arm-twisting corporations and public utilities into compliance with its net-zero emissions agenda.
All of this makes Americans more dependent on the electric grid at a time when utilities are accelerating the closure of coal and gas-fired plants, leaving the grid increasingly reliant on intermittent wind and solar power. This has sparked warnings from utility infrastructure experts that America's dash toward renewables could be driving our electric grid toward instability.
"Running while we're tying our shoes is the analogy I would give," John Moura, director of reliability assessment at the North American Electricity Reliability Corp. (NERC), told The Epoch Times. The NERC is charged with regulating electric utilities to ensure that they can deliver electricity whenever it is needed.
The NERC produces an annual long-term reliability assessment (LTRA). According to the 2022 LTRA, while many areas of the grid are expected to meet demand, several areas are at "high risk" of falling short. Two high-risk areas are California and a mid-continent zone running from Ontario down through the Great Lakes region to Louisiana.
"The projected shortfall continues an accelerating trend ... as older coal, nuclear, and natural gas generation exit the system faster than replacement resources are connecting," the LTRA states. In addition to the high-risk areas, areas of "elevated risk" included New England and the entire western United States outside of California.
A report by industry experts Paul Bonifas and Tim Considine titled, "The Limits to Green Energy," puts it more bluntly: "It is unknown what level of VRE [variable renewable energy] can be added to the grid before it breaks or becomes unaffordable. However, it is all but certain that at some unknown point the grid will become unreliable and costs will skyrocket. And yet, more VREs are built every year."
"Is a 100 percent renewable grid technology possible, is it reliable, and is it economical? No, no, and no," Bonifas and Considine write. The report states that the incessant shutting down of reliable power sources—gas, coal, and nuclear—will be destabilizing, and the costs to conform the grid to weather-dependent renewable power generation are "significant and unknown."
Many of the issues stem from the physics of electricity and the architecture of our power grid, which Moura calls "the largest machine in the world." America's electric grid features hundreds of power plants situated throughout the United States that connect into transformers that convert that power so it can be transmitted throughout the approximately 700,000-mile network of high-voltage transmission lines. The electricity then makes its way to neighborhood transformers that progressively step down the voltage so that it can be safely used in homes.
Because the electricity on the grid cannot sit idle or be stored for long periods, it must be consumed as it is created. Conversely, at the moment that people turn on the heat, charge a car, or flip a light switch in their homes, that electricity must be generated in the moment at some point along the grid.
"Electricity consumption and generation must always be balanced," Bonifas and Considine write. "If it isn't, the power grid could collapse. Thankfully, the immense size and interconnectedness of electricity grids make the balance issue easier to handle; billions of electrical loads across the country are constantly being added and removed, averaging out at any given moment."
Under normal conditions, the LTRA report states, the North American grid has performed reliably. Because of the grid's enormous size, a shortage of electricity in one area when demand is peaking can be covered by shifting excess supply from other areas; however, the grid has increasingly been struggling to do this in recent years, leading to outages on very hot or cold days, when people need electricity the most.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on January 22, 2023, 09:47:26 PM
Post by: Herman on January 22, 2023, 09:47:26 PM
The era of cars as the ultimate tool for personal freedom and mobility will, if the future the World Economic Forum (WEF) envisions comes to pass, soon be over. Cars will be something you ask to borrow and the cloud will be taking the wheel.
An October McKinsey study identified four trends in automotive tech, which they call ACES: autonomous driving, connectivity, electrification, and shared mobility. Regarding connectivity, the report states: "Intelligent communication within and outside of the car is a key enabler for autonomous technologies."
Regarding shared mobility, it states that the "ownership model of cars is evolving to renting and sharing as customer preferences shift."
The era of cars as the ultimate tool for personal freedom and mobility will, if the future the World Economic Forum (WEF) envisions comes to pass, soon be over. Cars will be something you ask to borrow and the cloud will be taking the wheel.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Anonymous on January 22, 2023, 11:54:43 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 22, 2023, 11:54:43 PM
Quote from: Herman post_id=491767 time=1674095257 user_id=3396Quote from: Guest post_id=491765 time=1674095010
Workers can hold on to their vehicles, its not going to do them any good if they can't refuel/recharge them.
I don't think it will get that far...
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on January 23, 2023, 07:38:44 AM
Post by: DKG on January 23, 2023, 07:38:44 AM
Quote from: Herman post_id=492248 time=1674442046 user_id=3396
The whole electric vs ICE debate might become a moot point. The WEF in Davos reveals a new plan for no more private care ownership.
The era of cars as the ultimate tool for personal freedom and mobility will, if the future the World Economic Forum (WEF) envisions comes to pass, soon be over. Cars will be something you ask to borrow and the cloud will be taking the wheel.
An October McKinsey study identified four trends in automotive tech, which they call ACES: autonomous driving, connectivity, electrification, and shared mobility. Regarding connectivity, the report states: "Intelligent communication within and outside of the car is a key enabler for autonomous technologies."
Regarding shared mobility, it states that the "ownership model of cars is evolving to renting and sharing as customer preferences shift."
The era of cars as the ultimate tool for personal freedom and mobility will, if the future the World Economic Forum (WEF) envisions comes to pass, soon be over. Cars will be something you ask to borrow and the cloud will be taking the wheel.
When they want to take away things people want from them they do it incrementally. It involves a combination of making desired products like ICE cars, gas stoves, or travel so expensive the masses cannot afford them along with draconian legislation restricting their sales.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on January 26, 2023, 09:29:54 PM
Post by: Herman on January 26, 2023, 09:29:54 PM
Refuting the myth that just a small area of solar panels plus storage can power the world
Storing just 3 days of global energy would cost $590 trillion at Elon Musk's current prices. And the panels would take up more space than all the world's cities, towns, and villages combined.
Several weeks ago, a common and destructive myth—that just a small area of solar panels can power the world—went viral on Twitter with help from Elon Musk (who has repeatedly promoted this myth). I decided to demolish it once and for all. My own Twitter thread on this issue so far has well over a million views, and Jordan Peterson and Scott Adams (both of whom are regularly engaged by Musk) have publicly encouraged Musk and others to respond. If you're on Twitter I hope you encourage @elonmusk to respond, too.
Myth: Just a small area of solar panels plus storage can power the world.
Truth: Storing just 3 days of global energy would cost $590 trillion at Elon Musk's current prices. And the panels would take up more space than all the world's cities, towns, and villages combined.¹
We often hear just a small area of solar panels plus storage batteries can power the world.
"Such an obvious move" says Elon Musk about this idea, adding "Even solar plus batteries on a small section of Spain would solve EU energy needs."
This is dangerously false.
Musk says that "to power the whole Earth" we need just solar panels and "some batteries."
What is "some batteries"?
To store a mere 3 days of world energy, to be prepared for weeks (let alone seasons) with lower-than-usual sunlight, takes >1,350 terawatt-hours in batteries.²
The world uses over 165k TWh of energy annually, or ~1.36 billion MWh in 3 days. 1000 Tesla Megapacks (3916 MWh of storage) have a price over >$1.7 billion. This would mean 3 days of storage using Tesla batteries would cost >$590 trillion. That's 6X world GDP!³
For those who think $590 trillion in batteries will somehow soon become cheap due to economies of scale, consider this: Tesla Megapack prices have been increasing, not rapidly decreasing, lately.
And efforts to scale batteries on an artificial timetable drive up prices.⁴
The focus by Elon Musk and others on the space taken up by solar panels and batteries dodges the real issue: cost-effectiveness.
Due to stratospheric battery storage costs, no amount of solar panels can cost-effectively power the world.
Arguing that solar panels and batteries can provide energy to 8 billion people using modest space is like arguing that Rolls-Royces can transport 8 billion people using modest space.
Yes, there's space for 8 billion Rolls-Royces—but the human time it would take to produce them is cost-prohibitive.
Another reason the world can't be powered by solar panels and batteries: these only provide electricity—currently 1/5 of the world's energy. Electricity can't power many uses of energy (flight, cargo ships) and is very costly for others (many forms of industrial process heat).
The main lie of "Just a small area of solar panels can power the world" is that it ignores the insane cost of the necessary batteries.
But it also drastically underestimates how much space solar panels require.
For example, this viral Twitter post underestimates the area by some 25 times.⁵
The world uses >165,000 TWh of energy per year, which requires ~19 billion kW of power output on average. An optimistic, real-world power density for solar projects is 10 W/m^2. To power the world, you'd need ~1.8 million km^2 of solar PV projects—about the size of Libya.⁶
If 1.8 million square km of solar panels doesn't seem like much, note that it is more than all cities, towns, villages, and human infrastructure combined (~1.5 million sq km).
And this excludes the huge footprints of solar and battery mining, manufacturing, and transmission.⁷
Summary: While we are told that the world can be powered by a small area of solar panels and batteries, the storage costs involved are impossibly high (hundreds of $trillions) and the panels involved would take up more area than all the world's cities, towns, and villages combined.
The idea that the world can be powered by a small area of solar panels and batteries has been a major cause of today's global energy crisis.
The world artificially restricted fossil fuel supply because smart people like Elon Musk told us we could use solar and batteries instead.
Elon Musk has dramatically improved his energy rhetoric over the last year, acknowledging the need for oil and gas and walking back his past climate catastrophism. But he and others need to stop spreading the deadly idea that solar and batteries can power the world.⁸
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Frood on January 26, 2023, 09:38:32 PM
Post by: Frood on January 26, 2023, 09:38:32 PM
I love solar as a small or short term fix... but it's crap for anything besides subsisting.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on January 26, 2023, 09:42:10 PM
Post by: Herman on January 26, 2023, 09:42:10 PM
Here is some of the idipcy that came out of her rich, prog piehole.
"Where would they put the s—? Where would they put the poison and the pollution?
"They're not gonna put it in Bel Air. They've got to find some place where poor people or indigenous people or people of color are living," continued Fonda, herself worth an estimated $200 million after a six-decade career in entertainment. "Put it there. They can't fight back. And that's why a big part of the climate movement now has to do with climate justice."
If she had half a frickin brain she would know that solar panels and electric car batteries are turning developing countries into toxic shitpits so cunts like her can buy the newest and best electric cars. She is the real enviro racist.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on January 28, 2023, 12:48:44 AM
Post by: Herman on January 28, 2023, 12:48:44 AM
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Anonymous on January 28, 2023, 02:09:25 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 28, 2023, 02:09:25 AM
Quote from: Herman post_id=492630 time=1674787330 user_id=3396
That stunned cunt Jane Fonda says racism is respomsible for climate change. Four fifths of new emissions are in the developing world and India and China do not give two shits about your woke political bullshit.
Here is some of the idipcy that came out of her rich, prog piehole.
"Where would they put the s—? Where would they put the poison and the pollution?
"They're not gonna put it in Bel Air. They've got to find some place where poor people or indigenous people or people of color are living," continued Fonda, herself worth an estimated $200 million after a six-decade career in entertainment. "Put it there. They can't fight back. And that's why a big part of the climate movement now has to do with climate justice."
If she had half a frickin brain she would know that solar panels and electric car batteries are turning developing countries into toxic shitpits so cunts like her can buy the newest and best electric cars. She is the real enviro racist.
Errr, reading what you quoted it rather seems as though she does and is taking pot shots at the faux environmental activists for NIMBYism and claiming that EVs are clean, leaving other races (and I would argue classes) to deal with the pollution they create.
Which is pretty much bang on the money as you and I well know. Not sure why you're slamming her for articulating it.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on January 28, 2023, 10:34:34 AM
Post by: DKG on January 28, 2023, 10:34:34 AM
Quote from: Guest post_id=492787 time=1674889765Quote from: Herman post_id=492630 time=1674787330 user_id=3396
That stunned cunt Jane Fonda says racism is respomsible for climate change. Four fifths of new emissions are in the developing world and India and China do not give two shits about your woke political bullshit.
Here is some of the idipcy that came out of her rich, prog piehole.
"Where would they put the s—? Where would they put the poison and the pollution?
"They're not gonna put it in Bel Air. They've got to find some place where poor people or indigenous people or people of color are living," continued Fonda, herself worth an estimated $200 million after a six-decade career in entertainment. "Put it there. They can't fight back. And that's why a big part of the climate movement now has to do with climate justice."
If she had half a frickin brain she would know that solar panels and electric car batteries are turning developing countries into toxic shitpits so cunts like her can buy the newest and best electric cars. She is the real enviro racist.
Errr, reading what you quoted it rather seems as though she does and is taking pot shots at the faux environmental activists for NIMBYism and claiming that EVs are clean, leaving other races (and I would argue classes) to deal with the pollution they create.
Which is pretty much bang on the money as you and I well know. Not sure why you're slamming her for articulating it.
I could be wrong, but I thought JF was all for ev's and solar panels as long as the rare earth mines and the people of colour who work in them are no where near any of her mansions.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Anonymous on January 28, 2023, 08:21:51 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 28, 2023, 08:21:51 PM
Quote from: DKG post_id=492835 time=1674920074 user_id=3390Quote from: Guest post_id=492787 time=1674889765
Errr, reading what you quoted it rather seems as though she does and is taking pot shots at the faux environmental activists for NIMBYism and claiming that EVs are clean, leaving other races (and I would argue classes) to deal with the pollution they create.
Which is pretty much bang on the money as you and I well know. Not sure why you're slamming her for articulating it.
I could be wrong, but I thought JF was all for ev's and solar panels as long as the rare earth mines and the people of colour who work in them are no where near any of her mansions.
Yeah, see had that been the case then I could understand Old Herman giving her a serve. Hell, I'd do it. EVs are less efficient than internal combustion engines and the pollution associated with their construction and operation way more damaging - but "out of sight is out of mind" for these enviro-nazis - it's all rainbows and unicorn farts as far as they are concerned.
What Herman quoted of her demonstrates (to me at least) is that she understands the pollution will not be expressed where the virtue signaling eco-fascists get to deal with it, but in poorer and underprivileged areas. I'd argue that makes it classist as well as racist.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Thiel on January 29, 2023, 11:58:47 AM
Post by: Thiel on January 29, 2023, 11:58:47 AM
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on February 09, 2023, 10:18:37 AM
Post by: DKG on February 09, 2023, 10:18:37 AM
Among the many tax rebates in the Inflation Reduction Act (IRA) passed last year, one is specifically aimed at electric battery manufacturing. For each kilowatt-hour of U.S.-manufactured cell, a company will get tax credits worth $35. This is expected to cut down battery production costs in the country by a third.
An estimate made by the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) in August last year foresaw tax revenues lost from these tax credits amounting to $30.6 billion over a period of 10 years, with the figure including credits for solar and wind manufacturing as well.
A new estimate by London-based Benchmark Mineral Intelligence, a specialist information provider for lithium-ion batteries in the EV supply chain, puts the total cost of battery rebates at $136 billion over 10 years, according to Axios. This would be four times the CBO's estimated revenue loss for the government.
"President Biden has a goal to get 50 percent of all new vehicles sold in the United States to be electric by 2030. To reach that goal, the administration wants to invest in EV infrastructure and does not mind making taxpayers, who are already suffering from high inflation, fund lucrative tax credits," said a Feb. 6 post by the Institute for Energy Research.
"Through these subsidies, the government is picking winners and losers, and history has shown that the government usually fails when it interferes with the market."
GM is expecting its credits to net $300 million this year. Ford estimates over $7 billion in credits during the three-year period between 2023 and 2026, after which the company expects the credits to grow.
The EV tax credits of up to $7,500 will be offered to U.S. citizens who buy certain electric vehicles or plug-in hybrids.
According to regulations, at least 40 percent of the critical minerals used in the battery must be (a) from North America, or (b) from a country that has a free trade agreement (FTA) with the United States, or (c) recycled in North America. This number is set to go up to 80 percent in 2027. The critical minerals cannot come from a "foreign entity of concern."
In addition, roughly 50 percent of the battery parts must be assembled in the United States or with a country that has an FTA with America. This number will jump to 100 percent in 2029.
But despite the Biden administration's push to promote EVs, they still remain too expensive for many people. One survey found that 85 percent of drivers in the United States could not afford an electric vehicle.
A survey published by Rasmussen Reports in August found that only 28 percent of American drivers saw electric cars as "practical for most drivers," with 54 percent saying that these vehicles aren't practical.
Wind, solar and electric cars receive more government largesse without accountability than any other industry.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on February 10, 2023, 01:36:47 PM
Post by: Herman on February 10, 2023, 01:36:47 PM
I can summarize the economic portion of Biden's State of the Union speech in one word: evasion.
President Biden is evading responsibility for the consequences of the anti-freedom, anti-development, anti-fossil-fuel policies he has supported.
Things won't get better until he's held accountable.
In the economic portion of his State of the Union speech, Joe Biden focused on 3 problems: 1) the decline of US industry and infrastructure, 2) the global energy crisis, and 3) the supply chain crisis.
While Biden portrayed himself as the solution to all 3 problems, he is in fact a major cause.¹
1: Biden's role in the decline of US industry and infrastructure
Why have US industry and infrastructure declined?
Because industry and infrastructure require development—and we have, with Biden's support, been passing anti-development environmental policies for 50+ years.
The root solution to our industry and manufacturing problems is to liberate responsible development. By totally failing to do this, Biden's "buy American" policies will just subsidize inefficient operations and increase our cost of living even more.
In his State of the Union speech, Joe Biden asked "Where is it written that America can't lead the world in manufacturing again?"
The answer: It is written in the endless anti-development industrial regulations that Biden is only adding to.²
2: Biden's role in the global energy crisis
In his State of the Union speech Joe Biden portrayed the global energy crisis as a problem that he is solving. In fact, it's a problem he has helped cause with anti-fossil-fuel policies—and is making worse with new anti-fossil-fuel policies.
Biden's sole explanation for the global energy crisis was "Putin's war." But the root cause is global anti-fossil-fuel policies, supported by Biden—which made fossil fuel prices artificially high pre-war and prevented the free world from quickly increasing production in response.
As I have documented extensively, had Biden and other Democrats spent the last 3.5 years (including the 2 of the Biden admin) liberating US oil and gas investment, production, and transport instead of strangling them, energy would be far cheaper.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Anonymous on February 10, 2023, 04:30:51 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 10, 2023, 04:30:51 PM
And I put it to you that he is also the cause (in part) of Putin's war too. Volodymyr Zelenskyy has wanted to negotiate an end to hostilities on a number of occasions, prepared to cede territory and offer assurances Ukraine will not join NATO in return for Ukraine being able to maintain its own armed forces. A more than reasonable offer and one which Vladimir Putin has indicated he is down with.
But the Biden administration is not having a bar of it and while they aren't alone in promoting the continuance of this war, aggressive colonialist expansion in the region (which arguably dates back as far as Senator Obama's meddling, if not before) assures us that this war is set to be waged for a long time yet. Think Afghanistan and you'll be in the ballpark.
So yes, Biden represents interests that are at odds with the peoples of the world. He is a steward of the US presidency though, almost as much a pawn as Zelenskyy is because neither of those two chickenshits have the guts to tell their masters to fuck off while they get down to the business of securing their peoples futures. If you were to remove either or both of them from the equation tomorrow, freshly minted puppets would simply be installed to their positions... to pick up where they left off.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Thiel on February 11, 2023, 09:56:54 PM
Post by: Thiel on February 11, 2023, 09:56:54 PM
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on February 15, 2023, 03:10:43 PM
Post by: DKG on February 15, 2023, 03:10:43 PM
The 27-nation union agreed to the changes in October 2022, but has now formalized the deal, which enforces a 55% reduction in emissions for vehicles by 2030. Levels for CO2 for 2021 were set at a target of 37.5%.
Vans will get a slight advantage in the market, requiring a a 50% cut by 2030, compared with 2021 levels.
Just a few months before the announcement in May 2022, car makers such as Ford and Volvo even signed a joint letter with 26 other companies asking the European Union to implement such a plan.
A Bulgarian official had said that the EU needed to reconsider the economic costs of switching to electric and the effect that would have on poorer nations in the union.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on February 22, 2023, 07:18:16 PM
Post by: Herman on February 22, 2023, 07:18:16 PM
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Odinson on March 01, 2023, 01:51:45 PM
Post by: Odinson on March 01, 2023, 01:51:45 PM
You´d think that if they really believed what they preached, they would stop using private jets, superyachts and chartered flights.
A video phonecall would suffice.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Frood on March 01, 2023, 09:13:54 PM
Post by: Frood on March 01, 2023, 09:13:54 PM
Quote from: Herman post_id=494688 time=1677111496 user_id=3396
If geothermal managed to become ultra-cost-effective at some point, it would surely attract opposition from our anti-energy knowledge system due to the inevitably large impact on nature it would have. For example, advanced geothermal, like much oil and gas drilling, makes use of fracking in order to crack rocks and release heat. Does anyone believe that Greenpeace and the Sierra Club wouldn't come after geothermal fracking if it were widespread? Is there any chance that anti-impact hostility won't increase if deep geothermal projects are known to be drilling over ten thousand feet below the surface of the earth?
The Greenies did the same thing to nuclear power in the 60's... all on board, then reversed stance completely.
Nothing will placate a leftie aka greenie. They want population reduction and they will kill billions to achieve it... albeit in slow measures so as not to spook the herd into a stampede.
....and a few in those billions might have had the insight to technologically advance humanity to the point where unhinged activists couldn't use population as their excuse to kill kill kill to save mother mother mother earth.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Anonymous on March 03, 2023, 04:04:48 AM
Post by: Anonymous on March 03, 2023, 04:04:48 AM
Quote from: Frood post_id=495082 time=1677723234 user_id=1676Quote from: Herman post_id=494688 time=1677111496 user_id=3396
If geothermal managed to become ultra-cost-effective at some point, it would surely attract opposition from our anti-energy knowledge system due to the inevitably large impact on nature it would have. For example, advanced geothermal, like much oil and gas drilling, makes use of fracking in order to crack rocks and release heat. Does anyone believe that Greenpeace and the Sierra Club wouldn't come after geothermal fracking if it were widespread? Is there any chance that anti-impact hostility won't increase if deep geothermal projects are known to be drilling over ten thousand feet below the surface of the earth?
The Greenies did the same thing to nuclear power in the 60's... all on board, then reversed stance completely.
Ironic when you consider it's the cleanest and most efficient power source you care to name. Provided the safety standards are observed religiously of course.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Frood on March 03, 2023, 04:13:22 AM
Post by: Frood on March 03, 2023, 04:13:22 AM
Quote from: Guest post_id=495154 time=1677834288Quote from: Frood post_id=495082 time=1677723234 user_id=1676
The Greenies did the same thing to nuclear power in the 60's... all on board, then reversed stance completely.
Ironic when you consider it's the cleanest and most efficient power source you care to name. Provided the safety standards are observed religiously of course.
Cleanest to burn, operate... but not the cleanest for natural disasters or human error.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Anonymous on March 03, 2023, 04:24:53 AM
Post by: Anonymous on March 03, 2023, 04:24:53 AM
Quote from: Frood post_id=495157 time=1677834802 user_id=1676Quote from: Guest post_id=495154 time=1677834288
Ironic when you consider it's the cleanest and most efficient power source you care to name. Provided the safety standards are observed religiously of course.
Cleanest to burn, operate... but not the cleanest for natural disasters or human error.
Agreed. Nuclear can go spectacularly wrong, depends on the style of reactor and how well it's maintained. Disposal of the spent fuel can pose its challenges too, but overall it has proven to be clean, reliable and efficient.
I remember the last time I was in Sydney. Not a lot of people know this, but the Lucas Heights reactor sits atop a fault line. Granted the area hasn't proven geologically active in my memory, but if that changes at any time I imagine Sydney would be a good place to stay the fuck away from.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on March 03, 2023, 09:20:06 PM
Post by: Herman on March 03, 2023, 09:20:06 PM
Benefits of Fossil Fuels
Undeniable energy fact 1: Cost-effective energy is essential to human flourishing
Cost-effective energy—affordable, reliable, versatile, scalable energy—is essential to human flourishing because gives us the ability to use machines to become productive and prosperous.
Undeniable energy fact 2: The world needs much more energy
Billions of people lack the cost-effective energy they need to flourish. 3 billion use less electricity than a typical American refrigerator. 1/3 of the world uses wood/dung for heating/cooking. Much more energy is needed.¹
Undeniable energy fact 3: Fossil fuels are uniquely cost-effective
Despite 100+ years of aggressive competition, fossil fuels provide 80%+ of the world's energy and they are still growing—especially in the countries most concerned with cost-effective energy. E.g., China.²
Undeniable energy fact 4: Unreliable solar/wind are failing to replace fossil fuels
Despite claims that solar + wind are rapidly replacing fossil fuels, they provide < 5% of world energy—only electricity, ⅕ of energy—and even that depends on huge subsidies and reliable (mostly fossil-fueled) power plants.³
Undeniable energy fact 5: Fossil fuel energy gives us an incredible climate mastery ability
Fossil fuels have helped drive down climate disaster deaths by 98% over the last century by powering the amazing machines that protect us against storms, extreme temperatures, and drought.⁴
Myths about fossil fuels
Myth: The TX winter blackouts were a failure of fossil fuels, especially natural gas.
Truth: Fossil fuels perform beautifully in far worse winter weather than Texas had in February 2021. TX blackouts were caused by defunding reliable/resilient power in favor of unreliable solar/wind.⁵
Myth: Replacing fossil fuels with solar/wind will make us more secure because we'll depend less on hostile countries.
Truth: Not only are solar/wind incapable of replacing fossil fuels, but the control of their supply by China dwarfs any nation's influence over fossil fuels.⁶
Myth: Continued CO2 emissions will cause "irreversible" climate change.
Truth: At some point future technologies will enable us to reverse the rise in CO2 levels if we want. But nothing can reverse mass-death caused by trying to rapidly eliminate CO2 emissions.⁷
Myth: Fossil fuels "kill" millions of people a year via air pollution.
Truth: This claim
1. Ignores how fossil fuels extend every life on Earth
2. Uses pseudoscientific speculation about pollution deaths.
3. Ignores the fact that fossil fuels can be burned very cleanly.⁸
Myth: The anti-fossil-fuel movement is leading to better sources of energy.
Truth: Anti-fossil-fuel activists are responsible for artificially restricting the supply of fossil fuels and thereby causing a deadly, worsening global energy crisis.⁹
Big-picture facts about energy and climate
Fossil fuel energy gives us an incredible climate mastery ability
Fossil fuels have helped drive down climate disaster deaths by 98% over the last century by powering the amazing machines that protect us against storms, extreme temperatures, and drought.¹⁰
Undeniable climate fact: CO2 emissions correlate with 1°C warming, + greening
Fossil fuels' CO2 emissions have contributed to the warming of the last 170 years, but that warming has been mild and manageable—1° C. Here's what that looks like compared to normal temp changes.¹¹
Undeniable climate fact: Deaths from cold far exceed deaths from heat
While leading institutions portray a world as increasingly riddled with heat-related death, the fact is that even though Earth has gotten 1°C warmer far more people die from cold than heat (even in India!).¹²
Undeniable climate fact: Warming from CO2 occurs more in colder places
The mainstream view in climate science is that more warming will be concentrated in colder places (Northern latitudes) and at colder times (nighttime) and during colder seasons (winter). This is good news.¹³
Undeniable climate fact: Rising CO2 leads to diminishing warming
Mainstream climate science is unanimous about a conclusion that the public is, shamefully, not made aware of: the "greenhouse effect" of CO2 is a diminishing effect, with additional CO2 leading to less warming.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on March 03, 2023, 09:20:56 PM
Post by: Herman on March 03, 2023, 09:20:56 PM
Myth: We can rapidly reduce fossil fuels at very low cost.
Truth: Fossil fuels are a uniquely cost-effective form of energy, which is why they are 80% of global energy and still growing. Rapidly reducing fossil fuels, in a world that needs far more energy, is catastrophic.¹⁴
Myth: Solar and wind are cheap.
Truth: Solar and wind are unreliable, parasitical sources of energy that add costs to the grid.
Claims of "cheapness" are based on ignoring the full costs of solar + wind—above all the cost of a reliable grid that gives them 24/7 life support.¹⁵
Myth: Solar/wind is cheaper than fossil fuels because Lazard's "Levelized Cost of Energy" (LCOE) is lower for solar/wind.
Truth: LCOE, by Lazard's own admission, doesn't include many costs of solar/wind—above all the cost of a reliable grid needed for 24/7 life support.¹⁶
Myth: Solar and wind are "winning in the marketplace," outcompeting fossil fuels and nuclear with superior economics.
Truth: Unreliable, parasitical solar and wind are only "winning" when given massive preferences—mandates, subsidies, and no penalty for unreliability.¹⁷
Myth: Nuclear is too expensive, so we should use solar/wind instead.
Truth: Solar/wind can't provide reliable energy; nuclear can. And nuclear is only expensive because it has, with the help of many "green" activists, been falsely labeled unsafe and effectively criminalized.¹⁸
Solar myths
Myth: Just a small area of solar panels plus storage can power the world.
Truth: Storing just 3 days of global energy would cost $590 trillion at Elon Musk's current prices. And the panels would take up more space than all the world's cities, towns, and villages combined.¹⁹
Musk says that "to power the whole Earth" we need just solar panels and "some batteries."
What is "some batteries"?
To store a mere 3 days of world energy, to be prepared for weeks (let alone seasons) with lower-than-usual sunlight, takes >1,350 terawatt-hours in batteries.²⁰
The world uses over 165k TWh of energy annually, or ~1.36 billion MWh in 3 days. 1000 Tesla Megapacks (3916 MWh of storage) have a price over >$1.7 billion. This would mean 3 days of storage using Tesla batteries would cost >$590 trillion. That's 6X world GDP!²¹
Arguing that solar panels and batteries can provide energy to 8 billion people using modest space is like arguing that Rolls-Royces can transport 8 billion people using modest space.
Yes, there's space for 8 billion Rolls-Royces—but the human time it would take to produce them is cost-prohibitive.
The main lie of "Just a small area of solar panels can power the world" is that it ignores the insane cost of the necessary batteries.
But it also drastically underestimates how much space solar panels require.
For example, this viral Twitter post underestimates the area by some 25 times.²²
If 1.8 million square km of solar panels doesn't seem like much, note that it is more than all cities, towns, villages, and human infrastructure combined (~1.5 million sq km).
And this excludes the huge footprints of solar and battery mining, manufacturing, and transmission.²³
Myth: We can be like other countries who have 80% "clean electricity"
The most persuasive argument for the Biden Administration's radical policy of 80% "clean electricity" by 2030 is that other countries are already at 80%. But this is BS because those countries, unlike us, can use huge amounts of 1) nuclear, 2) hydro, or 3) imported power.
In response to worries that the reconciliation bill's policy of 80% "clean electricity" by 2030—from 30% today—will cause reliability problems, a group of prominent green electricity advocates recently claimed in an open letter that "reliability can be preserved and enhanced."
The most compelling argument given for reliable 80% clean electricity by 2030 is that other places, such as France and Ontario, have already achieved this. But this is a deeply dishonest comparison because those places can, unlike us, use huge amounts of nuclear and hydro.
France gets 2/3 of its electricity from reliable nuclear power. Ontario gets a combined 80% of its electricity from nuclear power and hydropower. By contrast, the US gets 20% of electricity from nuclear and <7% from hydro--neither of which can meaningfully increase by 2030.²⁴
There is no place in the world that gets a large share of its electricity from solar and wind without huge imports from its neighbors' reliable--not solar+wind--power plants. And yet the US, which cannot import most of its needed electricity, is considering 50%+ solar and wind!
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on March 03, 2023, 09:23:54 PM
Post by: Herman on March 03, 2023, 09:23:54 PM
The preposterous financial pretense of "ESG investing" is that the promoters of it have so accurately identified universal norms of long-term value creation--Environmental norms, Social norms, and Governance norms—that imposing those norms on every company is justified.
In reality, ESG was a movement cooked up at the UN—not exactly a leading expert in profitable investment—to impose moral and political agendas, largely left-wing ones, on institutions that would not adopt them if left to their own devices.
The number one practical policy advocated by the ESG movement today is: divest from fossil fuels in every way possible, and associate yourself with "renewable" solar and wind in every way possible. This policy is helping destroy energy production around the world.
The most egregious immorality of the ESG movement, led by Larry Fink's Blackrock, is its effort to destroy vital fossil fuel projects in poor places that desperately need them. This effort is guaranteed to perpetuate poverty.
Example of ESG poverty perpetuation: South Korea canceled new coal plants in South Africa and the Philippines after "Global investors including Blackrock...warned the South Korean utility to drop coal power projects."
Extreme weather
Myth: The world is experiencing unprecedented danger from extreme weather thanks to fossil fuels.
Truth: The world is experiencing unprecedented safety from extreme weather thanks to fossil fuels—because fossil fuels' climate mastery benefits overwhelm any negative climate side-effects.
Myth: We don't need fossil fuels to protect ourselves from extreme weather—we can just use alternatives.
Truth: As Europe is illustrating, there is no near-term replacement for fossil fuels for the 1/4 of the world that uses abundant energy—let alone the 3/4 of the world that doesn't.
Myth: Media claims about increasing hurricane frequency are accurate.
Truth: Leading media outlets have deliberately misrepresented the flat long-term hurricane trend. E.g., the New York Times cherry-picking a starting point—the low point of 1980—to make a flat trend seem upward.³⁰
Myth: Hurricane intensity is expected to get catastrophically higher as temperatures rise.
Truth: Mainstream estimates say hurricanes will be less frequent and between 1-10% more intense. This is not at all catastrophic if we continue our fossil-fueled climate mastery.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Odinson on March 07, 2023, 02:51:20 AM
Post by: Odinson on March 07, 2023, 02:51:20 AM
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on March 07, 2023, 07:54:09 AM
Post by: DKG on March 07, 2023, 07:54:09 AM
Quote from: Odinson post_id=495286 time=1678175480 user_id=136
Greta Thunberg is protesting against wind-turbines now.
That is funny.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Lokmar on March 07, 2023, 11:27:22 AM
Post by: Lokmar on March 07, 2023, 11:27:22 AM
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on March 10, 2023, 10:57:00 AM
Post by: DKG on March 10, 2023, 10:57:00 AM
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Lokmar on March 11, 2023, 02:05:38 AM
Post by: Lokmar on March 11, 2023, 02:05:38 AM
Quote from: DKG post_id=495441 time=1678463820 user_id=3390
The ev industry is peddling the myth that they are closing the loop. In other words, ev car batteries can be recycled the way lead-acid batteries for ICE vehicles are. There is no way of recycling all components of corroded transistor battery packs. They can recover some metals, but that is it.
Personally, I'm not against EV's totally, its just that the power grid and technology isnt viable yet. Hell, I bought an AntiGravity battery for my race car because I went from a lead acid weighing 45lbs to a lithium weighing less than 10lbs. The downside is it cost nearly $700.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on March 11, 2023, 02:35:41 PM
Post by: DKG on March 11, 2023, 02:35:41 PM
Quote from: Lokmar post_id=495458 time=1678518338 user_id=3351Quote from: DKG post_id=495441 time=1678463820 user_id=3390
The ev industry is peddling the myth that they are closing the loop. In other words, ev car batteries can be recycled the way lead-acid batteries for ICE vehicles are. There is no way of recycling all components of corroded transistor battery packs. They can recover some metals, but that is it.
Personally, I'm not against EV's totally, its just that the power grid and technology isnt viable yet. Hell, I bought an AntiGravity battery for my race car because I went from a lead acid weighing 45lbs to a lithium weighing less than 10lbs. The downside is it cost nearly $700.
If a consumer prefers quiet electric vehicles, go for it. But, they are not "sustainable" and they do not stop the climate from changing.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Anonymous on March 11, 2023, 05:33:17 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 11, 2023, 05:33:17 PM
Quote from: Odinson post_id=495286 time=1678175480 user_id=136
Greta Thunberg is protesting against wind-turbines now.
She should buy herself a nuclear powered vibrator and knock herself the fuck out.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on March 13, 2023, 12:14:37 PM
Post by: DKG on March 13, 2023, 12:14:37 PM
Berlin is blocking the final approval of a measure ending the sale of polluting cars, and other countries may be getting on board.
The Czech, German and Italian transport ministers aim to gather like-minded counterparts in Brussels on Monday to figure out a way to save the combustion engine from an EU ban in 2035, two diplomats told POLITICO.
Germany — backed by Italy, Poland and Bulgaria — has blocked the final approval of a law that would mandate only zero-emission cars and vans can be sold in the EU from 2035. Berlin wants the European Commission to first put forward an option allowing cars to use synthetic fuels known as e-fuels, but the blockade is leading to broader questions about the whole 2035 measure.
If the German-led alliance widens, it spells potential trouble for the car-ban legislation which is a key part of the EU's effort to cut greenhouse gas emissions from transport.
Germany's last minute balk — prompted by fissures within the ruling coalition as the liberal Free Democratic Party has turned saving the internal combustion engine into a political issue.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on March 14, 2023, 07:11:17 PM
Post by: Herman on March 14, 2023, 07:11:17 PM
I own a hybrid electric car and two Ecco electric bikes. I regret buying them from both an economic and environment standpoint. If you drive in the city only and charge at home you are going to save some money. If you do four-season highway driving in Canadian winters, forget it. At 20 below it can take an hour pre-warming the battery before it will even take a charge.
My hybrid electric Lexus has less performance and higher ownership costs than my previous otherwise identical plan gas vehicle. A 50 amp charging station can run 13 c/kWh to 52 c/kWh depending on how enterprising the owner of the charger is. On some cases the charging cost can be higher than the fuel cost. In my case the electric motors are always charging at highway speeds and even in stop-and-go traffic you get one-third electric to two-thirds charging. Did I mention that replacement batteries can be one-quarter to one-third the overall cost of the vehicle?
There is no payback on the extra cost of the electric vehicle. Eventually there will be better batteries that last longer and don't catch fire as lithium ion batteries tend to do sometimes. Think Tesla solid state or Toyota's nuclear batteries that will eventually become mainstream.
I don't charge my e-bike batteries in my home anymore. They are four years old and have changed colour from black to gold and only charge to about 50 per cent and I don't trust them anymore, so I store them in a sealed metal container when not in use.
Lithium fires are a chemical reaction and hard to put out. Environmentally, it is difficult to recycle lithium ion batteries and 90 per cent are not recycled. Lithium mining, like copper, is strip mining and cobalt comes mostly from the Congo where every single mine has been independently audited and all are using child labour. If you think battery mineral mining is environment friendly, you are kidding yourself. They are not even culturally friendly batteries.
It's all politically-driven nonsense. So for me, my next car will be back to gas.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on March 14, 2023, 07:16:56 PM
Post by: Herman on March 14, 2023, 07:16:56 PM
A pair of Lakehead University researchers recently published an article describing the emotions and anxiety experienced by young Canadians due to climate change.
Dr. Lindsay Galway, Associate Professor in the Department of Health Sciences at Lakehead Thunder Bay, and Dr. Ellen Field, Assistant Professor in Education at Lakehead Orillia, surveyed a thousand Canadians in the 16 to 25 age group.
Their ScienceDirect article describes some interesting responses.
Nearly half (48 per cent) think humanity is doomed. Seventy-three per cent find the future frightening.
Seventy-six per cent think people have failed to take care of the planet, while 39 per cent are hesitant to have children.
Seventy-one per cent of respondents felt angry about the Canadian government's response to climate change – and 69 per cent felt abandoned.
Six in 10 young people believe the formal education system should do more to teach them about climate change. Seventy-eight per cent reported that climate change impacts their overall mental health.
Four in 10 Canadians said their feelings about climate change negatively affect their daily life.
Despite all of those feelings, many respondents have hope that it's not too late to slow down global warming. Seventy-one per cent of respondents believe that together we can do something. Half of these young Canadians believe they can contribute.
"This research shows that inaction at the systemic and structural levels shapes the experiences of climate emotions and anxiety among young people across Canada," Dr. Galway said.
"While we consider difficult climate emotions and anxiety appropriate responses to the climate crisis, given its impacts, scale and urgency, we also recognize the mental and emotional burden that young people are bearing.
"To address difficult climate emotions, there needs to be strong leadership as well as supports and programs put in place to enable young people to cope with climate-related distress, foster emotional resiliency, and prevent harm. Most importantly, to protect the mental and emotional health of young people, transformative climate action is needed," Dr. Galway said.
For this study, the researchers wanted to replicate the Hickman et al. 2021 study on youth climate anxiety to collect Canadian data.
"We also wanted to expand the research and ask young people to identify coping supports that they think are needed," Dr. Field said.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Thiel on March 14, 2023, 09:26:51 PM
Post by: Thiel on March 14, 2023, 09:26:51 PM
Quote from: Herman post_id=495682 time=1678835816 user_id=3396
This is frickin crazy.
A pair of Lakehead University researchers recently published an article describing the emotions and anxiety experienced by young Canadians due to climate change.
Dr. Lindsay Galway, Associate Professor in the Department of Health Sciences at Lakehead Thunder Bay, and Dr. Ellen Field, Assistant Professor in Education at Lakehead Orillia, surveyed a thousand Canadians in the 16 to 25 age group.
Their ScienceDirect article describes some interesting responses.
Nearly half (48 per cent) think humanity is doomed. Seventy-three per cent find the future frightening.
Seventy-six per cent think people have failed to take care of the planet, while 39 per cent are hesitant to have children.
Seventy-one per cent of respondents felt angry about the Canadian government's response to climate change – and 69 per cent felt abandoned.
Six in 10 young people believe the formal education system should do more to teach them about climate change. Seventy-eight per cent reported that climate change impacts their overall mental health.
Four in 10 Canadians said their feelings about climate change negatively affect their daily life.
Despite all of those feelings, many respondents have hope that it's not too late to slow down global warming. Seventy-one per cent of respondents believe that together we can do something. Half of these young Canadians believe they can contribute.
"This research shows that inaction at the systemic and structural levels shapes the experiences of climate emotions and anxiety among young people across Canada," Dr. Galway said.
"While we consider difficult climate emotions and anxiety appropriate responses to the climate crisis, given its impacts, scale and urgency, we also recognize the mental and emotional burden that young people are bearing.
"To address difficult climate emotions, there needs to be strong leadership as well as supports and programs put in place to enable young people to cope with climate-related distress, foster emotional resiliency, and prevent harm. Most importantly, to protect the mental and emotional health of young people, transformative climate action is needed," Dr. Galway said.
For this study, the researchers wanted to replicate the Hickman et al. 2021 study on youth climate anxiety to collect Canadian data.
"We also wanted to expand the research and ask young people to identify coping supports that they think are needed," Dr. Field said.
This is terrible. Today's youth should be optimistic. Any challenge climate change represents does not come close to what previous generations faced. They should be taught that they will come through this better because of high levels of wealth and advanced environmental technology.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Shen Li on March 14, 2023, 11:18:36 PM
Post by: Shen Li on March 14, 2023, 11:18:36 PM
Quote from: Herman post_id=495681 time=1678835477 user_id=3396
Read this letter to the editor.
I own a hybrid electric car and two Ecco electric bikes. I regret buying them from both an economic and environment standpoint. If you drive in the city only and charge at home you are going to save some money. If you do four-season highway driving in Canadian winters, forget it. At 20 below it can take an hour pre-warming the battery before it will even take a charge.
My hybrid electric Lexus has less performance and higher ownership costs than my previous otherwise identical plan gas vehicle. A 50 amp charging station can run 13 c/kWh to 52 c/kWh depending on how enterprising the owner of the charger is. On some cases the charging cost can be higher than the fuel cost. In my case the electric motors are always charging at highway speeds and even in stop-and-go traffic you get one-third electric to two-thirds charging. Did I mention that replacement batteries can be one-quarter to one-third the overall cost of the vehicle?
There is no payback on the extra cost of the electric vehicle. Eventually there will be better batteries that last longer and don't catch fire as lithium ion batteries tend to do sometimes. Think Tesla solid state or Toyota's nuclear batteries that will eventually become mainstream.
I don't charge my e-bike batteries in my home anymore. They are four years old and have changed colour from black to gold and only charge to about 50 per cent and I don't trust them anymore, so I store them in a sealed metal container when not in use.
Lithium fires are a chemical reaction and hard to put out. Environmentally, it is difficult to recycle lithium ion batteries and 90 per cent are not recycled. Lithium mining, like copper, is strip mining and cobalt comes mostly from the Congo where every single mine has been independently audited and all are using child labour. If you think battery mineral mining is environment friendly, you are kidding yourself. They are not even culturally friendly batteries.
It's all politically-driven nonsense. So for me, my next car will be back to gas.
I have never considered having anything as dangerous as an e-car in my garage. I was considering an e-bike when I get to Singapore, but maybe i won't.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Lokmar on March 15, 2023, 09:48:46 AM
Post by: Lokmar on March 15, 2023, 09:48:46 AM
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on March 15, 2023, 10:15:25 AM
Post by: DKG on March 15, 2023, 10:15:25 AM
Quote from: Herman post_id=495681 time=1678835477 user_id=3396
Read this letter to the editor.
I own a hybrid electric car and two Ecco electric bikes. I regret buying them from both an economic and environment standpoint. If you drive in the city only and charge at home you are going to save some money. If you do four-season highway driving in Canadian winters, forget it. At 20 below it can take an hour pre-warming the battery before it will even take a charge.
My hybrid electric Lexus has less performance and higher ownership costs than my previous otherwise identical plan gas vehicle. A 50 amp charging station can run 13 c/kWh to 52 c/kWh depending on how enterprising the owner of the charger is. On some cases the charging cost can be higher than the fuel cost. In my case the electric motors are always charging at highway speeds and even in stop-and-go traffic you get one-third electric to two-thirds charging. Did I mention that replacement batteries can be one-quarter to one-third the overall cost of the vehicle?
There is no payback on the extra cost of the electric vehicle. Eventually there will be better batteries that last longer and don't catch fire as lithium ion batteries tend to do sometimes. Think Tesla solid state or Toyota's nuclear batteries that will eventually become mainstream.
I don't charge my e-bike batteries in my home anymore. They are four years old and have changed colour from black to gold and only charge to about 50 per cent and I don't trust them anymore, so I store them in a sealed metal container when not in use.
Lithium fires are a chemical reaction and hard to put out. Environmentally, it is difficult to recycle lithium ion batteries and 90 per cent are not recycled. Lithium mining, like copper, is strip mining and cobalt comes mostly from the Congo where every single mine has been independently audited and all are using child labour. If you think battery mineral mining is environment friendly, you are kidding yourself. They are not even culturally friendly batteries.
It's all politically-driven nonsense. So for me, my next car will be back to gas.
I would imagine a lithium ion car battery would not fully charge after a few years too.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Lokmar on March 15, 2023, 12:57:25 PM
Post by: Lokmar on March 15, 2023, 12:57:25 PM
Quote from: DKG post_id=495706 time=1678889725 user_id=3390Quote from: Herman post_id=495681 time=1678835477 user_id=3396
Read this letter to the editor.
I own a hybrid electric car and two Ecco electric bikes. I regret buying them from both an economic and environment standpoint. If you drive in the city only and charge at home you are going to save some money. If you do four-season highway driving in Canadian winters, forget it. At 20 below it can take an hour pre-warming the battery before it will even take a charge.
My hybrid electric Lexus has less performance and higher ownership costs than my previous otherwise identical plan gas vehicle. A 50 amp charging station can run 13 c/kWh to 52 c/kWh depending on how enterprising the owner of the charger is. On some cases the charging cost can be higher than the fuel cost. In my case the electric motors are always charging at highway speeds and even in stop-and-go traffic you get one-third electric to two-thirds charging. Did I mention that replacement batteries can be one-quarter to one-third the overall cost of the vehicle?
There is no payback on the extra cost of the electric vehicle. Eventually there will be better batteries that last longer and don't catch fire as lithium ion batteries tend to do sometimes. Think Tesla solid state or Toyota's nuclear batteries that will eventually become mainstream.
I don't charge my e-bike batteries in my home anymore. They are four years old and have changed colour from black to gold and only charge to about 50 per cent and I don't trust them anymore, so I store them in a sealed metal container when not in use.
Lithium fires are a chemical reaction and hard to put out. Environmentally, it is difficult to recycle lithium ion batteries and 90 per cent are not recycled. Lithium mining, like copper, is strip mining and cobalt comes mostly from the Congo where every single mine has been independently audited and all are using child labour. If you think battery mineral mining is environment friendly, you are kidding yourself. They are not even culturally friendly batteries.
It's all politically-driven nonsense. So for me, my next car will be back to gas.
I would imagine a lithium ion car battery would not fully charge after a few years too.
It doesnt. look at a back up battery/silent generator or whatever they're calling them today. They are limited on the number of times they'll recharge.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on March 15, 2023, 04:19:39 PM
Post by: Herman on March 15, 2023, 04:19:39 PM
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on March 15, 2023, 04:31:16 PM
Post by: Herman on March 15, 2023, 04:31:16 PM
The cause of Europe's energy insecurity, which has rendered it impotent against Putin, is simple: When you restrict domestic fossil fuel production on the false promise of replacement by unreliable solar and wind, you become dangerously dependent on foreign production.
Europe's vulnerability to Russia was completely preventable. Europe and its allies have all the natural gas, coal, and uranium they need to produce low-cost, reliable heat and electricity for generations to come.
But anti-fossil fuel, anti-nuclear policies have neutered Europe.
For the last 2 decades Europe has destroyed its ability to produce and import energy from fossil fuels and nuclear—on the promise that unreliable solar and wind could replace them. But after trillions in subsidies, it's clear that they have failed.¹
One major cause of Europe's current energy impotence is its numerous bans on the greatest natural gas producing technology ever invented: fracking. Fracking has been banned by France, Bulgaria, The Netherlands, Germany, Spain, and the UK.²
Another major cause of Europe's current energy impotence is its opposition to LNG (Liquefied Natural Gas) import terminals—combined with the US's opposition to export terminals. If not for these, Europe could get a lot of its gas from America—not Russia.³
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on March 15, 2023, 04:34:38 PM
Post by: Herman on March 15, 2023, 04:34:38 PM
The causes of America's energy crisis
America is experiencing our worst energy crisis since the 1970s. High oil prices are making driving expensive, while high natural gas prices are making heating and electricity far more expensive—above all in the Northeast, where some ratepayers might see prices more than two times last winter's.
Here's a chart of residential natural gas prices over the last several winters from the US Energy Information Administration. Notice the massive spike projected for this winter—meaning record heating bills for many.
Democrats could have ensured far lower oil and gas prices despite global tumult had they, upon taking power in 2019:
1) Liberated oil investment, production, and transport.
2) Liberated natural gas investment, production, and transport.
Instead, they systematically strangled oil and gas.
Is it any wonder that, threatened incessantly by US Democrats and other anti-oil forces, global investment in oil declined dramatically despite growing long-term demand? Between 2011 and 2021, oil/gas exploration investments declined 50%.
Less investment = less supply = higher prices.
Our bountiful natural gas is only useful if it can be transported by pipeline—to where it is needed in the US and to export terminals for shipment abroad. But in recent years we have seen a Democrat-led movement to block pipeline after pipeline—such as these 6 pipeline
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on March 15, 2023, 04:36:58 PM
Post by: Herman on March 15, 2023, 04:36:58 PM
For 15+ years Democratic politicians, including Joe Biden, have relentlessly attacked oil investment, oil production, and oil transport—leading to higher prices and lower security.
Instead of taking credit for their "success," they are denying that they are anti-fossil fuels!¹²
The "business decisions" denial tactic
For 15+ years Democratic politicians have pushed everything they can to threaten new oil production: net-zero, ESG, proposed bans, etc.
Now they are blaming companies for "business decisions" to refrain from threatened oil production!¹³
The "windfall profits" denial tactic
For 15+ years Democratic politicians have done everything they can to make new oil production unprofitable—leading to less investment.
Now they are condemning companies for not investing enough "windfall profits"!¹⁴
The "9000 leases" denial tactic
For 15+ years Dem politicians have driven up oil prices by delaying/destroying countless economically viable oil projects.
To deny responsibility they are attacking companies for not developing 9000 leases the companies judge to be economically nonviable.¹⁵
The energy crisis is simple.
Politicians around the world, including US Democrats, have restricted fossil fuel investment/production/transport on the false promise of replacement by unreliable solar/wind.
The result: higher prices and lower security.
Anti-fossil fuel politicians, please stop the denial.
The "climate emergency" movement's responsibility for the energy crisis
The world is experiencing the worst energy crisis since the 1970s, and it may end up being far worse.
Skyrocketing energy prices are driving price inflation in every area of life. Even in wealthy Europe we are seeing mass-hardship, deindustrialization, and fear of winter.¹⁶
While America is suffering from the energy crisis and Europe is suffering far more, the worst-affected are poor nations—who are getting outbid for today's scarce energy supplies. For example, we've seen power outages in Bangladesh, which has been outbid for natural gas by Europe.¹⁷
The global energy crisis constitutes an emergency—a dire and deadly problem requiring a swift, dramatic solution.
What's the solution to the global energy emergency?
We must put a stop to its cause: the "climate emergency" movement's campaign to rapidly eliminate fossil fuels.
While "climate change"—humans impacting climate—is real, "climate emergency" is not. The world is slowly becoming warmer—at a cold point in geological history, when many more people die of cold than of heat. This doesn't at all justify rapidly restricting global fossil fuel use.¹⁸
The "climate emergency" movement, centered in the West, has restricted
1. fossil fuel investment
2. fossil fuel production
3. fossil fuel transport
This has artificially suppressed fossil fuel supply, making industry unable to meet growing demand. Which means sky-high prices.
Today's high fossil fuel prices are not primarily a "Putin price hike."
They are caused by global anti-fossil-fuel "climate emergency" policies—which made fossil fuel prices artificially high before Putin's war and prevented the free world from quickly increasing production in response.¹⁹
The "climate emergency" movement has the gall to chastise the fossil fuel industry for not sufficiently ramping up production post-pandemic and post-Putin-invasion. But this insufficient ramp-up is the result of anti-fossil-fuel policies that restrict and punish new attempted production!
The causes of skyrocketing global natural gas and coal prices
Skyrocketing natural gas and coal prices are not a failure of the fossil fuel industry, but the total failure of anti-fossil fuel policies, which falsely promised that if we dramatically restricted fossil fuel energy production, green energy could easily replace it.
There is no physical reason that the natural gas and coal industries can't meet rising demand. The world has hundreds of years' worth of gas deposits and thousands of years worth of coal deposits. But governments radically restrict the freedom to utilize those deposits.²⁰
There is no technical or economic reason the natural gas and coal industries can't meet demand. These industries have gotten radically more capable and efficient in the last two decades--especially natural gas with fracking. But governments radically restrict their freedom.²¹
In Europe, fracking and other shale gas technologies could produce a lot of gas, but Europeans have over and over chosen to ban fracking--reassuring citizens that solar and wind would provide all the energy they need. How is that going?
America has been called "the Saudi Arabia of coal." At today's prices, America's coal industry would love to be powering the world. But it can't because of onerous restrictions on coal transport, as well as myriad domestic restrictions on desperately-needed coal production
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on March 16, 2023, 10:13:15 AM
Post by: DKG on March 16, 2023, 10:13:15 AM
Quote from: Lokmar post_id=495715 time=1678899445 user_id=3351Quote from: DKG post_id=495706 time=1678889725 user_id=3390
I would imagine a lithium ion car battery would not fully charge after a few years too.
It doesnt. look at a back up battery/silent generator or whatever they're calling them today. They are limited on the number of times they'll recharge.
I am not ruling out an eclectric car. I drive out of town no more than once a month. I do not work far from my condo, so I could take a bus or Uber if we are in a cold spell and it won't charge.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Lokmar on March 16, 2023, 10:57:59 AM
Post by: Lokmar on March 16, 2023, 10:57:59 AM
Quote from: DKG post_id=495786 time=1678975995 user_id=3390Quote from: Lokmar post_id=495715 time=1678899445 user_id=3351
It doesnt. look at a back up battery/silent generator or whatever they're calling them today. They are limited on the number of times they'll recharge.
I am not ruling out an eclectric car. I drive out of town no more than once a month. I do not work far from my condo, so I could take a bus or Uber if we are in a cold spell and it won't charge.
They can be fun and they have a place. My only problem continues to be having them shoved onto the market in quantities that the grid cannot support. I have had a blast driving a Tesla Model 3. During the winter, I race electric go carts to keep my skills up.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on March 16, 2023, 11:23:41 AM
Post by: Oerdin on March 16, 2023, 11:23:41 AM
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Lokmar on March 16, 2023, 11:24:42 AM
Post by: Lokmar on March 16, 2023, 11:24:42 AM
Quote from: Oerdin post_id=495797 time=1678980221 user_id=3374https://mobile.twitter.com/atensnut/status/1636033954200297475
I've considered starting a business that does this.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on March 16, 2023, 02:38:27 PM
Post by: DKG on March 16, 2023, 02:38:27 PM
Quote from: Oerdin post_id=495797 time=1678980221 user_id=3374https://mobile.twitter.com/atensnut/status/1636033954200297475
That is a picture the Biden administration wants to classify as disinformation.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on March 16, 2023, 02:41:16 PM
Post by: DKG on March 16, 2023, 02:41:16 PM
Quote from: Lokmar post_id=495793 time=1678978679 user_id=3351Quote from: DKG post_id=495786 time=1678975995 user_id=3390
I am not ruling out an eclectric car. I drive out of town no more than once a month. I do not work far from my condo, so I could take a bus or Uber if we are in a cold spell and it won't charge.
They can be fun and they have a place. My only problem continues to be having them shoved onto the market in quantities that the grid cannot support. I have had a blast driving a Tesla Model 3. During the winter, I race electric go carts to keep my skills up.
That is a valid criticism. Car makers and their proponents claim the grid can handle one hundred million additional e cars. The grid as it stands in many parts of the US(California and Texas) cannot handle existing demand.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on March 16, 2023, 07:45:48 PM
Post by: Herman on March 16, 2023, 07:45:48 PM
Is Solar Cheaper Than Natural Gas?
June 30, 2020
A few weeks ago, environmental protesters argued that the Alabama Public Service Commission should mandate that Alabama Power build solar generation instead of its proposed natural gas combined cycle plant because solar power is cheaper. The Rocky Mountain Institute reports that today clean renewable solar power is cheaper than natural gas-fired generation. Bloomberg Energy, USA Today and other media outlets also report that solar power is now cheaper than fossil fuel generation.
I have discussed PowerSouth's generation plans in these articles a number of times. We will close our coal-fired Lowman Plant in Leroy, Alabama, in October and build in its place a state-of-the-art 693 megawatt (MW) natural gas combined cycle plant.
The new plant will cost more than $500 million to construct. We expect it to operate at a capacity factor of at least 85%, which means on average it will produce its stated 693 megawatt output 85% of the time. At that capacity factor, the fixed cost (or capacity cost) of owning the combined cycle plant will be approximately $8.90 per megawatt hour (MWH). The energy cost (or variable cost) to operate the plant will be dependent upon the price of natural gas and its transportation cost to the plant. At $2.00/MMBTU (when I wrote this article, daily gas was $1.68/MMBTU), plus operations and maintenance costs, the variable cost of energy from the combined cycle plant will be approximately $20.63 per MWH. Therefore, the total generation cost of electricity from the combined cycle plant (with $2.00/MMBTU natural gas) will be approximately $29.53 per MWH.
Additionally, we recently signed a contract to purchase solar power from an 80-MW solar generation facility starting in 2022. The solar facility will operate at a capacity factor of about 25%, which means it will provide its promised 80 MW about 25% of the time. We will buy the output of the solar facility on a dollar-per-MWH fixed cost basis when energy is produced. The cost of energy under our solar contract is very attractive at a generation cost of about $22.00 per MWH.
The cost of this solar-generated electricity at $22.00 per MWH is cheaper than the cost of electricity from our natural gas combined cycle plant at $29.53 per MWH. However, that comparison doesn't even start to tell the whole story.
Electric consumers in developed countries demand power to be available whenever they need or want it, not just when the sun is shining. The combined cycle plant is fully dispatchable and will provide electricity when people need it, whether the sun shines or not. Solar power doesn't generate at night and is limited on cloudy days. Solar power must be paired with something else before it is as reliable as natural gas.
The solution most often offered is battery storage.
Batteries can be deployed at utility scale, but additional solar generation must be installed to charge the batteries while the sun is shining so the batteries can provide power at nights and on cloudy days.
Batteries are designed for specific discharge cycles. Most utility scale batteries have four-hour discharge cycles; therefore, at least three sets of batteries will be needed to cover the nighttime hours and provide a reserve for cloudy days.
Battery costs are decreasing, but based upon recent proposals of $1,500,000 per MW, the total cost of battery storage is about $92.33 per MWH, in addition to the $22.00 per MWH cost of the solar power to charge the battery.
Very conservatively, the total cost of the solar power with battery storage will be an average of $56.63 per MWH, assuming solar 15 hours a day and batteries 9 hours. With natural gas at $2.00/MMBTU, that cost is about 92% higher than the cost of electricity from our planned combined cycle plant.
Why then do many statements that solar is cheaper than natural gas go unchallenged? The information is hard to find, and calculations are difficult. Too often the cost of pure solar when the sun is shining is offered as the comparison to natural gas. That is not a true comparison – electricity must be available on demand, not just when the sun is shining. And, finally some people aren't truthful, even to themselves.
Given a choice, a huge majority of people will choose the lowest cost and most reliable source of electricity. Today, that is clearly natural gas.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Lokmar on March 18, 2023, 06:47:04 PM
Post by: Lokmar on March 18, 2023, 06:47:04 PM
Quote from: DKG post_id=495801 time=1678992076 user_id=3390Quote from: Lokmar post_id=495793 time=1678978679 user_id=3351
They can be fun and they have a place. My only problem continues to be having them shoved onto the market in quantities that the grid cannot support. I have had a blast driving a Tesla Model 3. During the winter, I race electric go carts to keep my skills up.
That is a valid criticism. Car makers and their proponents claim the grid can handle one hundred million additional e cars. The grid as it stands in many parts of the US(California and Texas) cannot handle existing demand.
You could put a hundred million electric cars on the grid.....but they're all charging on 50a 240v which means your car is charging overnight. To charge in 15 minutes to 80%, you need 480 3ph.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on March 18, 2023, 07:07:57 PM
Post by: Herman on March 18, 2023, 07:07:57 PM
Quote from: Lokmar post_id=495931 time=1679179624 user_id=3351Quote from: DKG post_id=495801 time=1678992076 user_id=3390
That is a valid criticism. Car makers and their proponents claim the grid can handle one hundred million additional e cars. The grid as it stands in many parts of the US(California and Texas) cannot handle existing demand.
You could put a hundred million electric cars on the grid.....but they're all charging on 50a 240v which means your car is charging overnight. To charge in 15 minutes to 80%, you need 480 3ph.
And they don't recommend you do that frequently.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on March 19, 2023, 11:21:11 AM
Post by: DKG on March 19, 2023, 11:21:11 AM
Quote from: Lokmar post_id=495931 time=1679179624 user_id=3351Quote from: DKG post_id=495801 time=1678992076 user_id=3390
That is a valid criticism. Car makers and their proponents claim the grid can handle one hundred million additional e cars. The grid as it stands in many parts of the US(California and Texas) cannot handle existing demand.
You could put a hundred million electric cars on the grid.....but they're all charging on 50a 240v which means your car is charging overnight. To charge in 15 minutes to 80%, you need 480 3ph.
If a house was fitted with that it would mean much higher electricity costs.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Lokmar on March 19, 2023, 12:44:34 PM
Post by: Lokmar on March 19, 2023, 12:44:34 PM
Quote from: DKG post_id=495964 time=1679239271 user_id=3390Quote from: Lokmar post_id=495931 time=1679179624 user_id=3351
You could put a hundred million electric cars on the grid.....but they're all charging on 50a 240v which means your car is charging overnight. To charge in 15 minutes to 80%, you need 480 3ph.
If a house was fitted with that it would mean much higher electricity costs.
The higher costs would have to come FIRST in the form of higher taxes. I cant imagine what it would cost to upgrade our power grid so that every home could have at least double its wattage capacity. The whole thing is absurd. People are gonna find out soon.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on March 20, 2023, 07:42:59 PM
Post by: Herman on March 20, 2023, 07:42:59 PM
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on March 24, 2023, 01:50:56 PM
Post by: DKG on March 24, 2023, 01:50:56 PM
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Odinson on March 24, 2023, 07:57:08 PM
Post by: Odinson on March 24, 2023, 07:57:08 PM
A lot of new electric cars wind up at the dump because of small battery issues.
You cannot repair them and replacing them costs too much.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Lokmar on March 25, 2023, 01:26:49 AM
Post by: Lokmar on March 25, 2023, 01:26:49 AM
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Anonymous on March 25, 2023, 03:58:08 AM
Post by: Anonymous on March 25, 2023, 03:58:08 AM
Quote from: Lokmar post_id=495976 time=1679244274 user_id=3351Quote from: DKG post_id=495964 time=1679239271 user_id=3390
If a house was fitted with that it would mean much higher electricity costs.
The higher costs would have to come FIRST in the form of higher taxes. I cant imagine what it would cost to upgrade our power grid so that every home could have at least double its wattage capacity. The whole thing is absurd. People are gonna find out soon.
The problem becomes moot with the rollout of 15 minute cities. I shouldn't wonder that our "benevolent" overlords are banking on the reduced expectations re: freedom of movement in the generations to come, particularly if these self-same young upstarts can also be relied upon to fulfil their role of eco-warriors a-la Greta van Moochburg where us older farts are concerned.
Time to invest in a Mad Maxmobile methinks... along with a fuckton of armaments.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Lokmar on March 26, 2023, 01:07:51 AM
Post by: Lokmar on March 26, 2023, 01:07:51 AM
Quote from: Guest post_id=496362 time=1679731088Quote from: Lokmar post_id=495976 time=1679244274 user_id=3351
The higher costs would have to come FIRST in the form of higher taxes. I cant imagine what it would cost to upgrade our power grid so that every home could have at least double its wattage capacity. The whole thing is absurd. People are gonna find out soon.
The problem becomes moot with the rollout of 15 minute cities. I shouldn't wonder that our "benevolent" overlords are banking on the reduced expectations re: freedom of movement in the generations to come, particularly if these self-same young upstarts can also be relied upon to fulfil their role of eco-warriors a-la Greta van Moochburg where us older farts are concerned.
Time to invest in a Mad Maxmobile methinks... along with a fuckton of armaments.
All these assholes that dont have guns are fucked. Hell, all anyone can do in Australia is douse themselves with gas and tackle a cop or politician and light themselves on fire. Fucking pathetic. Here's to 50 round drum magazines and binary triggers!
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Anonymous on March 26, 2023, 02:33:26 AM
Post by: Anonymous on March 26, 2023, 02:33:26 AM
Quote from: Lokmar post_id=496413 time=1679807271 user_id=3351Quote from: Guest post_id=496362 time=1679731088
The problem becomes moot with the rollout of 15 minute cities. I shouldn't wonder that our "benevolent" overlords are banking on the reduced expectations re: freedom of movement in the generations to come, particularly if these self-same young upstarts can also be relied upon to fulfil their role of eco-warriors a-la Greta van Moochburg where us older farts are concerned.
Time to invest in a Mad Maxmobile methinks... along with a fuckton of armaments.
All these assholes that dont have guns are fucked. Hell, all anyone can do in Australia is douse themselves with gas and tackle a cop or politician and light themselves on fire. Fucking pathetic. Here's to 50 round drum magazines and binary triggers!ac_drinks MERICUH!!!!!
Most of them can't even do that much, it simply wouldn't occur to them to do it. Even if it did, untold centuries of conditioning kicks in and they take to lying to themselves that it will all become better once they get the other guy into office. Canada is much the same way - people being loyal to one party or another and never once considering that someone with the means might have already bought off both to serve their own ends.
It's the one thing that I admire the US for over most other countries I can think to name. Ironically it's the same thing that the people of other nations are wont to pour scorn on the fifty for... this idea that one have both the understanding they are being fucked with and the state sanctioned means to effect a decent amount of change should they see an immediate and pressing need to do so.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on March 26, 2023, 01:34:30 PM
Post by: DKG on March 26, 2023, 01:34:30 PM
Quote from: Guest post_id=496362 time=1679731088Quote from: Lokmar post_id=495976 time=1679244274 user_id=3351
The higher costs would have to come FIRST in the form of higher taxes. I cant imagine what it would cost to upgrade our power grid so that every home could have at least double its wattage capacity. The whole thing is absurd. People are gonna find out soon.
The problem becomes moot with the rollout of 15 minute cities. I shouldn't wonder that our "benevolent" overlords are banking on the reduced expectations re: freedom of movement in the generations to come, particularly if these self-same young upstarts can also be relied upon to fulfil their role of eco-warriors a-la Greta van Moochburg where us older farts are concerned.
Time to invest in a Mad Maxmobile methinks... along with a fuckton of armaments.
The Oxfordshire example of a fifteen minute city was scary.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on March 26, 2023, 07:11:41 PM
Post by: Herman on March 26, 2023, 07:11:41 PM
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on March 28, 2023, 01:16:39 AM
Post by: Herman on March 28, 2023, 01:16:39 AM
After the decision to cut down on fossil fuels was made at the 2015 United Nations Climate Change Conference in Paris, the "instinctive reaction" around the world was to embrace renewables, Professor Emeritus Wade Allison, who is also a researcher at CERN, said in a 2023 paper (pdf).
Allison noted that because solar power is "extremely weak," it was inadequate to "sustain even a small global population with an acceptable standard of living" before the Industrial Revolution.
"Today, modern technology is deployed to harvest these weak sources of energy. Vast 'farms' that monopolise the natural environment are built, to the detriment of other creatures. Developments are made regardless of the damage wrought. Hydro-electric schemes, enormous turbines and square miles of solar panels are constructed, despite being unreliable and ineffective; even unnecessary," Allison said in the report, published by the Global Warming Policy Foundation.
"In particular, the generation of electricity by wind tells a disappointing story. The political enthusiasm and the investor hype are not supported by the evidence, even for offshore wind, which can be deployed out of sight of the infamous My Back Yard," he wrote. "What does such evidence actually say?"
The Evidence
Allison explained that wind energy is measured based on the amount of moving air and the speed of the air as it reaches the area swept by the turbine blades.
The scientist calculated that, at 100 percent efficiency, if the wind blows at 10 meters per second (about 22 mph), the power is 600 watts per square meter. Hence, to deliver 3,200 million watts, the same output as Hinkley Point C—a planned zero-carbon nuclear power station in England—there would need to be 5.5 million square meters of turbine swept area.
"That should be quite unacceptable to those who care about birds and to other environmentalists," Allison wrote.
The actual performance of the technology is much worse than the calculations made based on 100 percent efficiency, he said.
"Because the power carried by the wind depends on the third power of the wind speed, if the wind drops to half speed, the power available drops by a factor of 8," he said. "Almost worse, if the wind speed doubles, the power delivered goes up 8 times, and as a result the turbine has to be turned off for its own protection."
Allison noted that fluctuations are considerable as he pointed to a WindEurope Report that showed the installed nominal generating capacity across the European Union and United Kingdom on a daily basis was 236 gigawatts (GW). However, the highest output in 2021 registered at 103 GW on March 26 of that year.
The unreliability extends to offshore windfarms as well. Batteries used to store power are also severely restricted by current technology. In spite of such evidence, the government keeps ignoring the numbers, said Allison.
"With general energy shortages, the war in Europe, high prices and the likelihood of failures in electricity supply, many popular scientific presumptions underlying energy policy should be questioned. Wind power fails on every count," he concluded.
Failing Turbines, Carbon Dioxide Demonization
Wind turbines across the United States have been failing more frequently in recent times, triggering concerns about additional costs resulting from such failures as well as their impact on power projects. Offshore windfarms, deployed in the name of environmentalism, are now seen as disastrous for ocean life.
Malfunctions in wind turbines range from small issues, like some key components becoming faulty, to full-blown collapses.
According to a 2022 paper published by Wallace Manheimer in the Journal of Sustainable Development, even as modern society depends on reliable sources of energy, the "climate industrial complex"—a powerful lobby of politicians, scientists, and media—pushes climate-related falsehoods into the popular perspective.
"It has somehow managed to convince many that CO2 in the atmosphere, a gas necessary for life on earth, one which we exhale with every breath, is an environmental poison. Multiple scientific theories and measurements show that there is no climate crisis," said Manheimer, a retired U.S. Naval Research Laboratory scientist.
"Over the period of human civilization, the temperature has oscillated between quite a few warm and cold periods, with many of the warm periods being warmer than today," he wrote. "During geological times, it and the carbon dioxide level have been all over the place with no correlation between them."
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on April 04, 2023, 02:41:43 PM
Post by: Herman on April 04, 2023, 02:41:43 PM
They said they would meet their 2020 target of reducing Canada's greenhouse gas emissions to 17% below 2005 levels.
They missed it by a mile — a 9.3% reduction achieved primarily because of the global economic recession caused by the first year of the pandemic.
They said a carbon tax was the most efficient, market-driven way to lower emissions.
But the U.S. — with the same target as Canada of lowering emissions to 17% below 2005 levels by 2020 — reduced them 20%, surpassing the target, without a carbon tax.
They said they would freeze the federal carbon tax at $50 per tonne of emissions as of 2022.
On April 1, they raised the carbon tax to $65 per tonne of emissions in 2023 — a 30% increase — on its way to $170 per tonne in 2030.
They said 80% of families living in the seven provinces paying or soon to pay the federal carbon tax end up better off financially because of climate action incentive payments.
But last week, the parliamentary budget officer, Yves Giroux, said when the negative economic impact of the carbon tax is included in the calculation, 60% of families living in those provinces already pay more or will pay more in carbon taxes than they get in rebates.
By 2030, the PBO estimated, 80% will pay more in five of those provinces.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on April 05, 2023, 03:44:36 PM
Post by: DKG on April 05, 2023, 03:44:36 PM
The study looks at several aspects of the U.S. green recovery plan including changes in fuel efficiency standards for all new vehicles, replacing fossil fuel-produced electricity with clean energy sources, and the creation of new electricity generation capacity (using wind and solar) to accommodate mandated increases in electric vehicles (EVs).
It's important to recognize how ambitious — some might say unrealistic — some of these initiatives are, particularly in terms of timing. Consider, for instance, that the Biden administration is requiring that 50% of all new vehicle sales by 2030 (only seven years away) be electric, hydrogen or plug-in hybrids. And that the U.S. establish an emissions-free power system — that is, the complete elimination of fossil fuels — by 2035.
Here at home, Ottawa has mandated the phase-out of conventional coal-fired electricity generation and wants renewable energy sources to achieve 90% of non-emitting electricity generation by 2030. The Trudeau government has also set a sales target requiring all passenger cars, SUVs and trucks sold in Canada in 2035 to be electric. In 2021, fully electric and plug-in hybrid vehicles comprised just 5.2% of new car registrations.
The NBER study evaluates the economic costs of Biden's green plan (described above) and concludes it "will require more inputs to produce the same outputs, resulting in recurring costs of up to $483 billion per year." In other words, the U.S. economy will spend $483 billion more than it does now annually to produce the same level of output, which means it will be more expensive to produce the same amount of goods and services.
Those extra costs mean the U.S. economy will be less effective at producing goods and services people demand, and those goods and services will be available only at higher costs, resulting in lower living standards. According to the study, the green recovery plans in the U.S. will reduce the country's Gross Domestic Product (inflation-adjusted) by 2% to 3%.
This is just one study on top of many published over the last few years showing the enormous costs green energy plans in the U.S. and Canada will impose on citizens, and yet politicians and advocates on both sides of the border continue to argue that these plans will improve the economy.
That's not to say governments can't respond to climate change, particularly with programs encouraging adaptation and risk mitigation. However, any action by government should be rooted in an empirical evaluation of the likely costs and benefits, and then transparently shared with the public.
The new green economy is not an opportunity. It handicaps the economies of Canada and the US with high costs which are passed on to us.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: caskur on April 07, 2023, 09:55:18 AM
Post by: caskur on April 07, 2023, 09:55:18 AM
Quote from: "Berry Sweet" post_id=489863 time=1672645833 user_id=164
We should all go back to horse and buggy...or just a horse if you're solo....DD can ride a kangaroo...
We have a million wild camels and 1 million wild dear plus wild horses called brumbies...
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on April 07, 2023, 11:19:19 AM
Post by: DKG on April 07, 2023, 11:19:19 AM
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on April 09, 2023, 11:02:45 PM
Post by: Oerdin on April 09, 2023, 11:02:45 PM
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Lokmar on April 10, 2023, 12:16:05 AM
Post by: Lokmar on April 10, 2023, 12:16:05 AM
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on April 10, 2023, 09:47:00 PM
Post by: Oerdin on April 10, 2023, 09:47:00 PM
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Shen Li on April 11, 2023, 11:30:59 AM
Post by: Shen Li on April 11, 2023, 11:30:59 AM
Quote from: Oerdin post_id=497476 time=1681177620 user_id=3374
In short, the climate alarmists are fucking fools and it isn't going to happen in 50 years much less the 10 they claim. They truly are fucking stupid.https://spectrum.ieee.org/amp/the-ev-transition-explained-2659623150-2659623150
In a little over a decade True Dope has committed to no new ICE vehicle sales.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on April 11, 2023, 04:49:43 PM
Post by: DKG on April 11, 2023, 04:49:43 PM
"The way these fires occur, it's like an explosion of fire. The occupants have very little chance of escaping," said FDNY Chief of Department John Hodgens from the scene of fatal two-alarm fire in Queens.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on April 12, 2023, 02:19:57 PM
Post by: Oerdin on April 12, 2023, 02:19:57 PM
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on April 12, 2023, 02:25:31 PM
Post by: DKG on April 12, 2023, 02:25:31 PM
Quote from: Oerdin post_id=497531 time=1681323597 user_id=3374
It is actually bad for the environment.
Very bad for the environment and unsustainable too.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Lokmar on April 12, 2023, 03:20:54 PM
Post by: Lokmar on April 12, 2023, 03:20:54 PM
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on April 12, 2023, 03:36:36 PM
Post by: DKG on April 12, 2023, 03:36:36 PM
Quote from: Lokmar post_id=497544 time=1681327254 user_id=3351
Everyone in the hood got their yearly dose of lithium!
Those type of batteries tend to be found in affluent neighbourhoods.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Lokmar on April 12, 2023, 05:30:57 PM
Post by: Lokmar on April 12, 2023, 05:30:57 PM
Quote from: DKG post_id=497546 time=1681328196 user_id=3390Quote from: Lokmar post_id=497544 time=1681327254 user_id=3351
Everyone in the hood got their yearly dose of lithium!
Those type of batteries tend to be found in affluent neighbourhoods.
Virtue signaling white libtards getting poisoned? I'M IN!!!!!
Fuk, that sounded like Shen!
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on April 13, 2023, 01:27:13 AM
Post by: Herman on April 13, 2023, 01:27:13 AM
Biden's 67% EV policy: a dictatorial attack on the American driver and the US grid
Biden's proposed rules would 1. Force Americans to drive inferior cars, 2. Place massive new demand for reliable electricity on a grid that is declining in reliability
Biden's proposed mandate of 67% EVs in the 2030s is a dictatorial attack on the American driver and the US grid that will
1. Force Americans to drive inferior cars.
2. Place massive new demand for reliable electricity on a grid that is declining in reliable electricity supply.
Biden's EPA is planning to dictate new emissions regulations for cars that will increase the EV market share of vehicles sold from today's 6% up to 67% by 2032.¹
1. Biden's EV mandate will force Americans to drive more expensive, less capable cars
If EVs were actually as good as their advocates say, they wouldn't require lavish subsidies—let alone Biden's mandate on top of lavish subsidies. Forcing EVs = harming Americans
Today's EVs, despite promises that they would already surpass gasoline vehicles, are not cost-effective for the vast majority of Americans. That's why despite huge government subsidies, only 6% of us buy EVs . Mandating EVs violates our rights and hurts the poor most of all.²
EVs may become even less cost-effective in the future due to rising electricity prices and growing shortages that are occurring as reliable power plants are shut down in favor of unreliable solar and wind, as well as increasing raw material prices (due to artificial, government-created demand for batteries).
Range issues and recharge times are a logistical nightmare, even if you can afford a home recharge station. This is why EV owners tend to use EVs in addition to gasoline cars.
67% EVs would be ruinous for the poor and middle class.³
Currently the fossil fueled part of the transportation sector consumes about 1/4 of all US energy. This means that to handle a huge influx of EVs, the already fragile electricity sector would have to rapidly add reliable electricity capacity—the opposite of what's happening.⁴
For most Americans, EVs are significantly inferior in utility at a higher price per vehicle.
And if electricity bottlenecks continue, the price disadvantage could worsen while the threat of electricity rationing/restricting for EVs could become real.
2. Biden's EV mandate will cause electricity shortages
US power grids are already struggling from retirements of reliable power plant capacity in favor of unreliable solar and wind. Forced electrification of vehicles will exacerbate the problem and make electricity more expensive.⁵
A reliable grid is a foundation of our quality of life. Our lives depend on ultra-reliable electricity for the refrigerators that preserve our food, the water treatment plants that keep our water drinkable, the air conditioning that keeps us cool, the factories that produce our goods, etc.
The root cause of our grid's reliability problems is simple: America is shutting down too many reliable power plants—plants that can be controlled to produce electricity when needed in the exact quantity needed. And it is attempting to replace them with unreliable solar and wind.
Thanks to government mandates and subsidies, solar and wind—"unreliables"—provide about 13% of American electricity. This 13% has already caused big electricity price increases and huge reliability problems. Instead of admitting this failure, Biden is doubling down.⁶
The Administration is dictating two deadly policies at the same time:
- Drastically reducing the supply of reliable electricity by shutting down reliable power plants
- Drastically increasing demand for reliable electricity by mandating EVs
This is a recipe for national immobility.
Biden's EV mandate emulates California's reckless policy, which combines outlawing new oil-fueled vehicles by 2035 and wrecking its grid by shutting down reliable power plants.
As The Babylon Bee put it, "State With No Electricity Orders Everyone To Drive Cars That Run on Electricity."⁷
California is already having major problems with EV charging. On August 31, 2022, CAISO, the California grid operator, sent out a press release urging consumers to cut electricity usage during a heatwave, including using less air conditioning (!) and refraining from "charging electric vehicles."⁸
Note that EV charging is a threat to the California grid while only a small share of CA's over 30 million vehicles are electric and solar and wind are only a fraction of what they are supposed to become. With less reliable power and far more EVs the situation would be catastrophic.⁹
Imagine if, during the California blackouts of 2020 or the Texas blackouts of 2021 these grids were both far more dependent on unreliable solar and wind and had a massive fleet of EVs that needed charging. Imagine the death toll and economic damage. That's where our policies are taking us.
Plans to rely heavily on unreliable solar and wind electricity generation, a key feature of Biden's plan to power America's EVs, requires the high voltage transmission system to grow massively in the next few years.
At the current pace of transmission line building, it would take from many decades to centuries to build out our grid. New EV mandates add even more stress to the infrastructure, making everything in the supply chains more expensive while upgrades become more urgent.¹⁰
Biden's EV mandate will also make use dependent on foreign supply chains
A crash EV mandate means a rapid, artificial increase in mining, processing, and manufacturing. Since US regulations are hostile to development, this means more dependence on others, especially China.¹¹
The "Inflation Reduction Act" promised additional subsidies for manufacturers who sourced their materials from inside the US, a protectionist policy to build up domestic supply chains. But Biden has systematically blocked US mining opportunities.¹²
Because of the clear impossibility to source many critical materials from the US, the Treasury Dept has already signaled flexibility in the rules on how the subsidies for domestic production will apply. Which means we will be dependent on others.¹³
China dominates the supply chains of many critical minerals and given the environmental policies of the Biden administration, this will not change in favor of US mining anytime soon.¹⁴
A free-market EV policy
In the future, EVs could benefit Americans and significantly reduce emissions if 1) competition makes them genuinely superior for most people 2) we dramatically increase electricity production using low-cost, reliable, scalable tech—most likely nuclear.
The proper policy toward battery EVs is to let them compete on the open market with gasoline vehicles, natural gas vehicles, hydrogen vehicles, etc. And if you want to increase the competitiveness of all EVs, then stop screwing up the grid by mandating unreliable solar and wind.
If the Biden Administration wants to facilitate cost-effective EVs, the number one thing it needs to do is publicly reverse its attack on reliable power plants that would absolutely destroy our grid for existing electricity needs, let alone huge EV needs.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on April 13, 2023, 01:28:48 AM
Post by: Herman on April 13, 2023, 01:28:48 AM
A reliable grid is foundational to our quality of life. Our lives depend on ultra-reliable electricity for the refrigerators that preserve our food, the water treatment plants that keep our water drinkable, the air conditioning that keeps us cool, the factories that produce our goods, etc.
Ominously, America's grid is in its most fragile state in decades. Not only have we witnessed ruinous blackouts in California and Texas, electricity shortages are now routine throughout the US.
Federal Electric Reliability Commission (FERC) Commissioner Mark Christie: "We're heading for a reliability crisis."1
The root cause of the reliability crisis is simple: America is shutting down too many reliable power plants—plants that can be controlled to produce electricity when needed in the exact quantity needed. And it is attempting to replace them with unreliable solar and wind.
Since at any given time solar and wind can go near zero, using them as replacements for reliable power plants doesn't work. For example, Texas' February 2021 disaster was caused by solar/wind disappearing and inadequate investment in reliable power plants and their weatherization.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Shen Li on April 13, 2023, 11:21:15 AM
Post by: Shen Li on April 13, 2023, 11:21:15 AM
Quote from: Lokmar post_id=497554 time=1681335057 user_id=3351Quote from: DKG post_id=497546 time=1681328196 user_id=3390
Those type of batteries tend to be found in affluent neighbourhoods.
Virtue signaling white libtards getting poisoned? I'M IN!!!!!:yahoo:
Fuk, that sounded like Shen!:laugh3:
My positive energy has rubbed off on you.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on April 13, 2023, 03:42:34 PM
Post by: Herman on April 13, 2023, 03:42:34 PM
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on April 14, 2023, 11:43:53 AM
Post by: Oerdin on April 14, 2023, 11:43:53 AM
Quote from: DKG post_id=497546 time=1681328196 user_id=3390Quote from: Lokmar post_id=497544 time=1681327254 user_id=3351
Everyone in the hood got their yearly dose of lithium!
Those type of batteries tend to be found in affluent neighbourhoods.
Give it time. When it ends up in the junkyard it will be the poor neighborhoods who get stuck with them.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on April 14, 2023, 11:50:35 AM
Post by: Oerdin on April 14, 2023, 11:50:35 AM
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on April 14, 2023, 06:13:17 PM
Post by: DKG on April 14, 2023, 06:13:17 PM
Quote from: Oerdin post_id=497688 time=1681487033 user_id=3374Quote from: DKG post_id=497546 time=1681328196 user_id=3390
Those type of batteries tend to be found in affluent neighbourhoods.
Give it time. When it ends up in the junkyard it will be the poor neighborhoods who get stuck with them.
One hundred percent
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on April 16, 2023, 01:58:12 PM
Post by: Oerdin on April 16, 2023, 01:58:12 PM
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on April 16, 2023, 05:30:32 PM
Post by: DKG on April 16, 2023, 05:30:32 PM
Quote from: Oerdin post_id=497849 time=1681667892 user_id=3374https://youtu.be/VYeICctdqOc
Like all upper income C02 extremists, Ana Kasparian is a selfish hypocrite.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on April 16, 2023, 05:59:45 PM
Post by: Oerdin on April 16, 2023, 05:59:45 PM
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on April 16, 2023, 06:06:25 PM
Post by: DKG on April 16, 2023, 06:06:25 PM
Quote from: Oerdin post_id=497879 time=1681682385 user_id=3374
They only figure out the obvious when it hits them in the face. When it effects them personally then they suddenly figure it out.
I think they have to know it hits the masses in the face. They simply don't care about them. Green extremists tend to be affluent and without compassion for how their madness hurts people.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Zetsu on April 18, 2023, 07:39:08 AM
Post by: Zetsu on April 18, 2023, 07:39:08 AM
Quote from: DKG post_id=497492 time=1681246183 user_id=3390
Two young people died in an "explosion of fire" in the Astoria neighborhood of Queens Monday in a blaze caused by an e-bike's lithium-ion battery, according to FDNY officials and local news outlets.
"The way these fires occur, it's like an explosion of fire. The occupants have very little chance of escaping," said FDNY Chief of Department John Hodgens from the scene of fatal two-alarm fire in Queens.
Reminds me of this video
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on April 18, 2023, 10:27:17 AM
Post by: DKG on April 18, 2023, 10:27:17 AM
Quote from: Zetsu post_id=497964 time=1681817948 user_id=61Quote from: DKG post_id=497492 time=1681246183 user_id=3390
Two young people died in an "explosion of fire" in the Astoria neighborhood of Queens Monday in a blaze caused by an e-bike's lithium-ion battery, according to FDNY officials and local news outlets.
"The way these fires occur, it's like an explosion of fire. The occupants have very little chance of escaping," said FDNY Chief of Department John Hodgens from the scene of fatal two-alarm fire in Queens.
Reminds me of this videoac_unsure https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlQumRetMf0
Good video. This is the first I have seen it.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on April 18, 2023, 06:12:30 PM
Post by: Herman on April 18, 2023, 06:12:30 PM
Quote from: Zetsu post_id=497964 time=1681817948 user_id=61Quote from: DKG post_id=497492 time=1681246183 user_id=3390
Two young people died in an "explosion of fire" in the Astoria neighborhood of Queens Monday in a blaze caused by an e-bike's lithium-ion battery, according to FDNY officials and local news outlets.
"The way these fires occur, it's like an explosion of fire. The occupants have very little chance of escaping," said FDNY Chief of Department John Hodgens from the scene of fatal two-alarm fire in Queens.
Reminds me of this videoac_unsure https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlQumRetMf0
Good to see you around brother.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Zetsu on April 18, 2023, 08:47:37 PM
Post by: Zetsu on April 18, 2023, 08:47:37 PM
Quote from: DKG post_id=497974 time=1681828037 user_id=3390Quote from: Zetsu post_id=497964 time=1681817948 user_id=61
Reminds me of this videoac_unsure https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlQumRetMf0
Good video. This is the first I have seen it.
The people in the other scooter elevator fire video weren't lucky enough to escape, I assume it's censored now that I can't seem to find it.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Zetsu on April 18, 2023, 08:54:53 PM
Post by: Zetsu on April 18, 2023, 08:54:53 PM
Quote from: Herman post_id=498026 time=1681855950 user_id=3396Quote from: Zetsu post_id=497964 time=1681817948 user_id=61
Reminds me of this videoac_unsure https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlQumRetMf0
Good to see you around brother.ac_drinks
Same here too brother
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Shen Li on April 18, 2023, 08:59:41 PM
Post by: Shen Li on April 18, 2023, 08:59:41 PM
Quote from: Zetsu post_id=498053 time=1681865693 user_id=61Quote from: Herman post_id=498026 time=1681855950 user_id=3396
Good to see you around brother.ac_drinks
Same here too brotherac_cool Was kind of busy and tired lately, but it's always feel good to be back.ac_smile
It must be coming into your busy season.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Zetsu on April 18, 2023, 09:03:52 PM
Post by: Zetsu on April 18, 2023, 09:03:52 PM
Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=498054 time=1681865981 user_id=3389Quote from: Zetsu post_id=498053 time=1681865693 user_id=61
Same here too brotherac_cool Was kind of busy and tired lately, but it's always feel good to be back.ac_smile
It must be coming into your busy season.
It's getting busy again, but this time I'm more prepared, lol.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Shen Li on April 18, 2023, 09:04:42 PM
Post by: Shen Li on April 18, 2023, 09:04:42 PM
Quote from: Zetsu post_id=498055 time=1681866232 user_id=61Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=498054 time=1681865981 user_id=3389
It must be coming into your busy season.
It's getting busy again, but this time I'm more prepared, lol.
Do you mean you weren't prepared for last year's demand?
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Zetsu on April 18, 2023, 09:10:23 PM
Post by: Zetsu on April 18, 2023, 09:10:23 PM
Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=498056 time=1681866282 user_id=3389Quote from: Zetsu post_id=498055 time=1681866232 user_id=61
It's getting busy again, but this time I'm more prepared, lol.
Do you mean you weren't prepared for last year's demand?
My brother quitted before the end of COVID and when the demand came back I spent most of my time serving the problematic customers but not spending time for the fruitful ones, lol.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Shen Li on April 18, 2023, 09:12:59 PM
Post by: Shen Li on April 18, 2023, 09:12:59 PM
Quote from: Zetsu post_id=498057 time=1681866623 user_id=61Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=498056 time=1681866282 user_id=3389
Do you mean you weren't prepared for last year's demand?
My brother quitted near the end of COVID and when the demand came back I spent most of my time serving problematic customers lol.:001_tongue:
It's all yours now. That explains why we haven't seen you much lately. UR too busy running a thriving enterprise all on ur own.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Zetsu on April 18, 2023, 09:19:49 PM
Post by: Zetsu on April 18, 2023, 09:19:49 PM
Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=498058 time=1681866779 user_id=3389Quote from: Zetsu post_id=498057 time=1681866623 user_id=61
My brother quitted near the end of COVID and when the demand came back I spent most of my time serving problematic customers lol.:001_tongue:
It's all yours now. That explains why we haven't seen you much lately. UR too busy running a thriving enterprise all on ur own.
I'm still just a self-employed small business owner, but already a lot better than overworking for my dad.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Shen Li on April 18, 2023, 09:25:23 PM
Post by: Shen Li on April 18, 2023, 09:25:23 PM
Quote from: Zetsu post_id=498059 time=1681867189 user_id=61Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=498058 time=1681866779 user_id=3389
It's all yours now. That explains why we haven't seen you much lately. UR too busy running a thriving enterprise all on ur own.
I'm still just a self-employed small business owner, but already a lot better than overworking for my dad.
Have sales been picking up?
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Zetsu on April 18, 2023, 09:32:11 PM
Post by: Zetsu on April 18, 2023, 09:32:11 PM
Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=498061 time=1681867523 user_id=3389Quote from: Zetsu post_id=498059 time=1681867189 user_id=61
I'm still just a self-employed small business owner, but already a lot better than overworking for my dad.
Have sales been picking up?
People usually start placing orders during spring, while summer is definitely the busiest and will need a extra hand, and during winter I accumulate some debt, lol.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Shen Li on April 18, 2023, 09:35:24 PM
Post by: Shen Li on April 18, 2023, 09:35:24 PM
Quote from: Zetsu post_id=498064 time=1681867931 user_id=61Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=498061 time=1681867523 user_id=3389
Have sales been picking up?
People usually start placing orders during spring, while summer is definitely the busiest and will need a extra hand, and during winter I accumulate some debt, lol.
That's how I assumed your business cycle worked.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Zetsu on April 18, 2023, 09:44:53 PM
Post by: Zetsu on April 18, 2023, 09:44:53 PM
Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=498065 time=1681868124 user_id=3389Quote from: Zetsu post_id=498064 time=1681867931 user_id=61
People usually start placing orders during spring, while summer is definitely the busiest and will need a extra hand, and during winter I accumulate some debt, lol.
That's how I assumed your business cycle worked.
Yea, unless I find a part time seasonal winter job soon, I'm pretty much stuck having my income on a rollercoaster matrix, lol.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Shen Li on April 18, 2023, 09:55:38 PM
Post by: Shen Li on April 18, 2023, 09:55:38 PM
Quote from: Zetsu post_id=498068 time=1681868693 user_id=61Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=498065 time=1681868124 user_id=3389
That's how I assumed your business cycle worked.
Yea, unless I find a part time seasonal winter job soon, I'm pretty much stuck having my income on a rollercoaster matrix, lol.
Because UR self employed you can't collect EI.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Zetsu on April 18, 2023, 10:01:26 PM
Post by: Zetsu on April 18, 2023, 10:01:26 PM
Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=498069 time=1681869338 user_id=3389Quote from: Zetsu post_id=498068 time=1681868693 user_id=61
Yea, unless I find a part time seasonal winter job soon, I'm pretty much stuck having my income on a rollercoaster matrix, lol.
Because UR self employed you can't collect EI.
I might be screwed for now, but I'll manage it somehow, hopefully
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Shen Li on April 18, 2023, 10:23:15 PM
Post by: Shen Li on April 18, 2023, 10:23:15 PM
Quote from: Zetsu post_id=498072 time=1681869686 user_id=61Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=498069 time=1681869338 user_id=3389
Because UR self employed you can't collect EI.
I might be screwed for now, but I'll manage it somehow, hopefully:001_tongue:
You have to make hay while the sun shines and then save for a rainy day.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on April 19, 2023, 10:14:20 AM
Post by: DKG on April 19, 2023, 10:14:20 AM
Quote from: Zetsu post_id=498051 time=1681865257 user_id=61Quote from: DKG post_id=497974 time=1681828037 user_id=3390
Good video. This is the first I have seen it.
The people in the other scooter elevator fire video weren't lucky enough to escape, I assume it's censored now that I can't seem to find it.ac_umm
The governing authorities and their media allies don't want people scared of any form of electric transportation.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on April 19, 2023, 06:15:02 PM
Post by: Herman on April 19, 2023, 06:15:02 PM
Quote from: Zetsu post_id=498053 time=1681865693 user_id=61Quote from: Herman post_id=498026 time=1681855950 user_id=3396
Good to see you around brother.ac_drinks
Same here too brotherac_cool Was kind of busy and tired lately, but it's always feel good to be back.ac_smile
Right on brother. Busy is what ya want to be.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Zetsu on April 19, 2023, 08:18:12 PM
Post by: Zetsu on April 19, 2023, 08:18:12 PM
Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=498076 time=1681870995 user_id=3389Quote from: Zetsu post_id=498072 time=1681869686 user_id=61
I might be screwed for now, but I'll manage it somehow, hopefully:001_tongue:
You have to make hay while the sun shines and then save for a rainy day.
It looks like my only option for the moment, until I start figuring out how to DTG print on polyester base hoodies and sweaters.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Shen Li on April 19, 2023, 08:20:22 PM
Post by: Shen Li on April 19, 2023, 08:20:22 PM
Quote from: Zetsu post_id=498234 time=1681949892 user_id=61Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=498076 time=1681870995 user_id=3389
You have to make hay while the sun shines and then save for a rainy day.
It looks like my only option for the moment, until I start figuring out how to DTG print on polyester base hoodies and sweaters.ac_umm
Just buy the machine for that I would assume.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Zetsu on April 19, 2023, 08:20:35 PM
Post by: Zetsu on April 19, 2023, 08:20:35 PM
Quote from: DKG post_id=498124 time=1681913660 user_id=3390Quote from: Zetsu post_id=498051 time=1681865257 user_id=61
The people in the other scooter elevator fire video weren't lucky enough to escape, I assume it's censored now that I can't seem to find it.ac_umm
The governing authorities and their media allies don't want people scared of any form of electric transportation.
They sure do, they love censoring the fact about the China brand EVs blowing up in flames, while painting foreign brands in bad light.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Zetsu on April 19, 2023, 08:23:12 PM
Post by: Zetsu on April 19, 2023, 08:23:12 PM
Quote from: Herman post_id=498210 time=1681942502 user_id=3396Quote from: Zetsu post_id=498053 time=1681865693 user_id=61
Same here too brotherac_cool Was kind of busy and tired lately, but it's always feel good to be back.ac_smile
Right on brother. Busy is what ya want to be.
The busier the better
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Shen Li on April 19, 2023, 08:25:07 PM
Post by: Shen Li on April 19, 2023, 08:25:07 PM
Quote from: Zetsu post_id=498240 time=1681950192 user_id=61Quote from: Herman post_id=498210 time=1681942502 user_id=3396
Right on brother. Busy is what ya want to be.
The busier the betterac_cool , no need to end up like some socialist dystopia with people that have too much free time on their hands.ac_unsure
You just described most of the remaining posters on VF.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Zetsu on April 19, 2023, 08:27:11 PM
Post by: Zetsu on April 19, 2023, 08:27:11 PM
Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=498237 time=1681950022 user_id=3389Quote from: Zetsu post_id=498234 time=1681949892 user_id=61
It looks like my only option for the moment, until I start figuring out how to DTG print on polyester base hoodies and sweaters.ac_umm
Just buy the machine for that I would assume.
I already got the proper equipment and machines, just need to learn and understand more about the chemistry between DuPont inks and polyester based apparels.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Zetsu on April 19, 2023, 08:30:51 PM
Post by: Zetsu on April 19, 2023, 08:30:51 PM
Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=498242 time=1681950307 user_id=3389Quote from: Zetsu post_id=498240 time=1681950192 user_id=61
The busier the betterac_cool , no need to end up like some socialist dystopia with people that have too much free time on their hands.ac_unsure
You just described most of the remaining posters on VF.
So true lol, evs has finally lost her marbles, and I couldn't care any less for that socialist cunt.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Shen Li on April 19, 2023, 08:32:47 PM
Post by: Shen Li on April 19, 2023, 08:32:47 PM
Quote from: Zetsu post_id=498243 time=1681950431 user_id=61Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=498237 time=1681950022 user_id=3389
Just buy the machine for that I would assume.
I already got the proper equipment and machines, just need to learn and understand more about the chemistry between DuPont inks and polyester based apparels.ac_umm
I got it now-I think.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Zetsu on April 19, 2023, 08:50:23 PM
Post by: Zetsu on April 19, 2023, 08:50:23 PM
Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=498247 time=1681950767 user_id=3389Quote from: Zetsu post_id=498243 time=1681950431 user_id=61
I already got the proper equipment and machines, just need to learn and understand more about the chemistry between DuPont inks and polyester based apparels.ac_umm
I got it now-I think.
I'll stick to tinkering and improvising my machines, that's the only thing I can do tbh, lol.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on April 19, 2023, 09:15:39 PM
Post by: Herman on April 19, 2023, 09:15:39 PM
Quote from: Zetsu post_id=498240 time=1681950192 user_id=61Quote from: Herman post_id=498210 time=1681942502 user_id=3396
Right on brother. Busy is what ya want to be.
The busier the betterac_cool , no need to end up like some socialist dystopia with people that have too much free time on their hands.ac_unsure
To hell with those loafers.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Shen Li on April 20, 2023, 09:34:07 PM
Post by: Shen Li on April 20, 2023, 09:34:07 PM
Quote from: Zetsu post_id=498251 time=1681951823 user_id=61Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=498247 time=1681950767 user_id=3389
I got it now-I think.
I'll stick to tinkering and improvising my machines, that's the only thing I can do tbh, lol.
That is cost effective. That is what all business owners must do.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on April 23, 2023, 12:11:37 PM
Post by: Oerdin on April 23, 2023, 12:11:37 PM
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on April 23, 2023, 12:13:47 PM
Post by: DKG on April 23, 2023, 12:13:47 PM
Quote from: Oerdin post_id=498605 time=1682266297 user_id=3374
Chinese electric cars have major problems with fires and blowing up. Far more than other makers. The same goes for electric motorcycles and even electric bikes.https://youtu.be/qKa8mVOe5so
If I was ever considering a electric car made in China, this pretty much kills the notion.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Zetsu on April 24, 2023, 12:10:51 AM
Post by: Zetsu on April 24, 2023, 12:10:51 AM
Quote from: Oerdin post_id=498605 time=1682266297 user_id=3374
Chinese electric cars have major problems with fires and blowing up. Far more than other makers. The same goes for electric motorcycles and even electric bikes.https://youtu.be/qKa8mVOe5so
The biggest challenge with China and Chinese isn't really due to their tech and expertise, but the biggest problem is cutting corners and half-ass lazyiness, simply it's all about the lack of ethnics and moral.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Frood on April 24, 2023, 07:43:12 AM
Post by: Frood on April 24, 2023, 07:43:12 AM
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on April 24, 2023, 09:49:26 AM
Post by: DKG on April 24, 2023, 09:49:26 AM
Quote from: Zetsu post_id=498699 time=1682309451 user_id=61Quote from: Oerdin post_id=498605 time=1682266297 user_id=3374
Chinese electric cars have major problems with fires and blowing up. Far more than other makers. The same goes for electric motorcycles and even electric bikes.https://youtu.be/qKa8mVOe5so
The biggest challenge with China and Chinese isn't really due to their tech and expertise, but the biggest problem is cutting corners and half-ass lazyiness, simply it's all about the lack of ethnics and moral.
They have safety standards, but they are not always followed.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on April 24, 2023, 05:30:01 PM
Post by: Herman on April 24, 2023, 05:30:01 PM
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on April 25, 2023, 01:04:18 PM
Post by: Oerdin on April 25, 2023, 01:04:18 PM
This is despite there being many Tesla and non-Tesla electric cars and plug in hybrids in this area. It just doesn't seem to make market sense especially since California charges higher unit rates the more electricity you use so running an independent charging station doesn't seem to make financial sense. People can literally charge more cheaply at home.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on April 25, 2023, 01:08:23 PM
Post by: Oerdin on April 25, 2023, 01:08:23 PM
Quote from: Herman post_id=498762 time=1682371801 user_id=3396
Now the anti human green nutjobs want to ban rice.
Huh? That would starve half the planet. I did see an interesting poll on Twitter the other day (opt in so it wasn't scientific) where 51% of self described leftists claimed the universe would be better off if humans went extinct. That is profoundly anti-human and genocidal but that seems to be the majority of idiotic self hating leftists these days.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Lokmar on April 25, 2023, 02:28:01 PM
Post by: Lokmar on April 25, 2023, 02:28:01 PM
Quote from: Oerdin post_id=498808 time=1682442503 user_id=3374Quote from: Herman post_id=498762 time=1682371801 user_id=3396
Now the anti human green nutjobs want to ban rice.
Huh? That would starve half the planet. I did see an interesting poll on Twitter the other day (opt in so it wasn't scientific) where 51% of self described leftists claimed the universe would be better off if humans went extinct. That is profoundly anti-human and genocidal but that seems to be the majority of idiotic self hating leftists these days.
Given the opportunity, I would kill every single one of them.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on April 25, 2023, 03:20:43 PM
Post by: DKG on April 25, 2023, 03:20:43 PM
Quote from: Oerdin post_id=498808 time=1682442503 user_id=3374Quote from: Herman post_id=498762 time=1682371801 user_id=3396
Now the anti human green nutjobs want to ban rice.
Huh? That would starve half the planet. I did see an interesting poll on Twitter the other day (opt in so it wasn't scientific) where 51% of self described leftists claimed the universe would be better off if humans went extinct. That is profoundly anti-human and genocidal but that seems to be the majority of idiotic self hating leftists these days.
I think starving half the planet if the goal. Sorry, all of the human race.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on April 26, 2023, 12:24:29 AM
Post by: Herman on April 26, 2023, 12:24:29 AM
Quote from: Oerdin post_id=498808 time=1682442503 user_id=3374Quote from: Herman post_id=498762 time=1682371801 user_id=3396
Now the anti human green nutjobs want to ban rice.
Huh? That would starve half the planet. I did see an interesting poll on Twitter the other day (opt in so it wasn't scientific) where 51% of self described leftists claimed the universe would be better off if humans went extinct. That is profoundly anti-human and genocidal but that seems to be the majority of idiotic self hating leftists these days.
I read that they now consider essential food production like rice unsustainable. They want us all dead.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on April 26, 2023, 12:16:56 PM
Post by: Oerdin on April 26, 2023, 12:16:56 PM
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Lokmar on April 26, 2023, 12:47:55 PM
Post by: Lokmar on April 26, 2023, 12:47:55 PM
Quote from: Oerdin post_id=498894 time=1682525816 user_id=3374
I really like the idea of hydrogen powered cars.https://youtu.be/rTawvzH0MQ4
The best tech I've seen is an ICE that runs on gasoline and hydrogen. Mixed properly, the hydrogen coverts all the gasoline into usable pressure/energy. NOX is eliminated and the car gets MUCH better fuel economy because of the extra power of hydrogen AND it eliminates the need to run the engine rich to preserve the catalysts. This means you just eliminate the catalytic converters. Also, if we went back to running cars at 1995 polution levels, the air would be fine. CO2 being a pollutant is a scam.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Anonymous on April 26, 2023, 01:03:19 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 26, 2023, 01:03:19 PM
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on April 26, 2023, 01:45:51 PM
Post by: DKG on April 26, 2023, 01:45:51 PM
Quote from: Lokmar post_id=498895 time=1682527675 user_id=3351Quote from: Oerdin post_id=498894 time=1682525816 user_id=3374
I really like the idea of hydrogen powered cars.https://youtu.be/rTawvzH0MQ4
The best tech I've seen is an ICE that runs on gasoline and hydrogen. Mixed properly, the hydrogen coverts all the gasoline into usable pressure/energy. NOX is eliminated and the car gets MUCH better fuel economy because of the extra power of hydrogen AND it eliminates the need to run the engine rich to preserve the catalysts. This means you just eliminate the catalytic converters. Also, if we went back to running cars at 1995 polution levels, the air would be fine. CO2 being a pollutant is a scam.
That has potential.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on April 26, 2023, 03:02:56 PM
Post by: DKG on April 26, 2023, 03:02:56 PM
Recent incidents include a 7-year-old and a 19-year-old who died in what was called an "explosion of fire" in early April 2023, after a lithium-ion battery from an electric scooter exploded.
At least 38 people were injured in a Manhattan fire in November 2022, caused by what officials believe was a defective lithium-ion battery from a micromobility device. The apartment fire injured two critically and another five seriously.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on April 27, 2023, 04:08:13 PM
Post by: DKG on April 27, 2023, 04:08:13 PM
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on April 27, 2023, 08:55:53 PM
Post by: Oerdin on April 27, 2023, 08:55:53 PM
"Sir, our 65 ton tank only gets 50 miles per charge, it takes eight hours to recharge it, and there are no electric power lines out here in BFE!"
"Bring in diesel generators, PVT!"
"Sir, that will take twice as much fuel as just fueling our original diesel powered tanks to begin with!"
Just fucking retarded.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on April 28, 2023, 04:04:07 AM
Post by: Herman on April 28, 2023, 04:04:07 AM
Quote from: Oerdin post_id=498997 time=1682643353 user_id=3374
This is the type of retarded shit you get 2hen you mix an ideology with something which needs to be ideology free. Idiots are pushing the military to go 100% electric with it's vehicle fleet.
"Sir, our 65 ton tank only gets 50 miles per charge, it takes eight hours to recharge it, and there are no electric power lines out here in BFE!"
"Bring in diesel generators, PVT!"
"Sir, that will take twice as much fuel as just fueling our original diesel powered tanks to begin with!"
Just fucking retarded.https://www.foxnews.com/media/granholm-ev-military-puts-electric-tanks-green-agenda-before-national-security-critics
China encourages the entire US military to go electric.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on April 28, 2023, 12:23:13 PM
Post by: Oerdin on April 28, 2023, 12:23:13 PM
We already have a shortage of big rigs because Newacum demands only brand new ultra low emissions big rigs be used in the state. The problem is no one wants to spend $800,000 on the fancy new big rigs because Newscum had already said he will outlaw even those in a few years demanding only electric big rigs. No existing big rigs can do long haul trucking due to batteries being uneconomic and taking to long to recharge to make them feasible for long haul trucking. Not that Newscum has ever cared about reality or costs.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Lokmar on April 28, 2023, 03:23:08 PM
Post by: Lokmar on April 28, 2023, 03:23:08 PM
Quote from: Oerdin post_id=498997 time=1682643353 user_id=3374
This is the type of retarded shit you get 2hen you mix an ideology with something which needs to be ideology free. Idiots are pushing the military to go 100% electric with it's vehicle fleet.
"Sir, our 65 ton tank only gets 50 miles per charge, it takes eight hours to recharge it, and there are no electric power lines out here in BFE!"
"Bring in diesel generators, PVT!"
"Sir, that will take twice as much fuel as just fueling our original diesel powered tanks to begin with!"
Just fucking retarded.https://www.foxnews.com/media/granholm-ev-military-puts-electric-tanks-green-agenda-before-national-security-critics
People have no concept of power generation, just like they dont have a concept of what a trillion dollars is. Everyone I talk to who isnt in a similar field as me, their eyes glass over when I tell them a quick charger requires 31KW per port to run. On a 200a home, the service is rated for 80% use. That means you have 160 amps of service times 240vac which equals about 38.5K. You damn near need 100% of all the electricity going into a home to fast charge a fucking car. Using single phase home shit, the meter would be rolling over like the fukin national debt clock while your ass sits in the dark without any A/C!!!!!
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on April 28, 2023, 07:31:13 PM
Post by: DKG on April 28, 2023, 07:31:13 PM
Quote from: Lokmar post_id=499055 time=1682709788 user_id=3351Quote from: Oerdin post_id=498997 time=1682643353 user_id=3374
This is the type of retarded shit you get 2hen you mix an ideology with something which needs to be ideology free. Idiots are pushing the military to go 100% electric with it's vehicle fleet.
"Sir, our 65 ton tank only gets 50 miles per charge, it takes eight hours to recharge it, and there are no electric power lines out here in BFE!"
"Bring in diesel generators, PVT!"
"Sir, that will take twice as much fuel as just fueling our original diesel powered tanks to begin with!"
Just fucking retarded.https://www.foxnews.com/media/granholm-ev-military-puts-electric-tanks-green-agenda-before-national-security-critics
People have no concept of power generation, just like they dont have a concept of what a trillion dollars is. Everyone I talk to who isnt in a similar field as me, their eyes glass over when I tell them a quick charger requires 31KW per port to run. On a 200a home, the service is rated for 80% use. That means you have 160 amps of service times 240vac which equals about 38.5K. You damn near need 100% of all the electricity going into a home to fast charge a fucking car. Using single phase home shit, the meter would be rolling over like the fukin national debt clock while your ass sits in the dark without any A/C!!!!!:laugh3:
I don't completely understand what you are talking about. But, I do understand that a global fleet of electric only vehicles and heavy equipment is not even close to being possible.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on April 28, 2023, 07:33:34 PM
Post by: DKG on April 28, 2023, 07:33:34 PM
Quote from: Oerdin post_id=499048 time=1682698993 user_id=3374
Gavin Newscum, the self styles radical leftist dictator of California wants to outlaw all existing freight trains. No all electric trains currently exist because of the extreme amount of electricity needed to power trains with dozens and dozens of loaded freight cars. These idiots just pass mandates without even asking industry or engineers if their pie in the sky pipe dreams are even doable much less economically feasible.
We already have a shortage of big rigs because Newacum demands only brand new ultra low emissions big rigs be used in the state. The problem is no one wants to spend $800,000 on the fancy new big rigs because Newscum had already said he will outlaw even those in a few years demanding only electric big rigs. No existing big rigs can do long haul trucking due to batteries being uneconomic and taking to long to recharge to make them feasible for long haul trucking. Not that Newscum has ever cared about reality or costs.https://www.foxnews.com/politics/california-takes-aim-freight-train-emissions-bans-non-electric-train-engines.amp
A lot of produce in Canada comes from California. Oh well, fruit and vegetables are overrated anyway.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Anonymous on April 28, 2023, 08:44:13 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 28, 2023, 08:44:13 PM
Quote from: Lokmar post_id=499055 time=1682709788 user_id=3351
People have no concept of power generation, just like they dont have a concept of what a trillion dollars is. Everyone I talk to who isnt in a similar field as me, their eyes glass over when I tell them a quick charger requires 31KW per port to run.
It's actually worse than you think; a subset of these assclowns aren't even aware of the infrastructure behind power generation, they just think it magically manifests itself in the wall. "Pluggee go in wall, thingee works, wheee" ...THAT level of imbecility.
Those cretins will happily blame Trump when they find out the hard way that their little fantasies are pipe dreams. Mention Keystone to them and watch their eyes glaze over yet again. NO concept of causality... you might as well be offering brain surgery tutorials to toddlers for all the good it does you.
Forget California's "future" because it hasn't one. That video above? That's effectively California
Anyone not smart enough or committed enough to get the fuck out while they can is going to perish along with it.
And you thought Detroit was bad... wait until you fully appreciate where the state of California is headed. You're better off kicking that state out of the fifty and ceding the territory back to Mexico at this point I reckon.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on April 29, 2023, 04:05:45 AM
Post by: Herman on April 29, 2023, 04:05:45 AM
Quote from: Oerdin post_id=498997 time=1682643353 user_id=3374
This is the type of retarded shit you get 2hen you mix an ideology with something which needs to be ideology free. Idiots are pushing the military to go 100% electric with it's vehicle fleet.
"Sir, our 65 ton tank only gets 50 miles per charge, it takes eight hours to recharge it, and there are no electric power lines out here in BFE!"
"Bring in diesel generators, PVT!"
"Sir, that will take twice as much fuel as just fueling our original diesel powered tanks to begin with!"
Just fucking retarded.https://www.foxnews.com/media/granholm-ev-military-puts-electric-tanks-green-agenda-before-national-security-critics
It is going to be hard finding extension cords for tanks.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Anonymous on April 29, 2023, 05:41:49 AM
Post by: Anonymous on April 29, 2023, 05:41:49 AM
Quote from: Herman post_id=499124 time=1682755545 user_id=3396
It is going to be hard finding extension cords for tanks.
Not to mention effective firefighting equipment to put out the inferno when one of those batteries goes into thermal runaway.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on April 29, 2023, 04:46:52 PM
Post by: DKG on April 29, 2023, 04:46:52 PM
Quote from: Guest post_id=499140 time=1682761309Quote from: Herman post_id=499124 time=1682755545 user_id=3396
It is going to be hard finding extension cords for tanks.
Not to mention effective firefighting equipment to put out the inferno when one of those batteries goes into thermal runaway.
I would not want to be within twenty kms of the town if one of those batteries catches fire.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on April 29, 2023, 06:13:13 PM
Post by: DKG on April 29, 2023, 06:13:13 PM
Exactly one year after purchasing the electric Mustang Mach-E, I'd like to share my thoughts, pros and cons of driving an all electric car.
Pros:
1. Driving is like nothing I've experienced! The acceleration and power is so smooth and luxurious. What a ride!
2. Don't have to buy gas.
3. Low maintenance!!! No oil changes! Fewer moving parts equals less parts breaking down.
4. City driving is amazing! The car battery excels in slow, stop and go conditions.
Cons:
1. Winter driving is very stressful. The battery drains very quickly in the cold. Heating your cabin in extremely cold temperatures is sometimes impossible! At minus 35 degrees Celsius, your windshield will freeze over as NO HEAT will be provided! That's right...only cold air in very cold climate!
3. Charging your car takes much longer in the winter. Traveling to Ottawa once, it took 90 minutes to charge my car from 20% to 80% at a level 3 Charging spot.
4. The anger and frustration when you pull up to a fast charger off the highway and it is "out of order" is out of this world! It happens too often!
5. Everywhere you travel to, extensive careful planning is needed because fast chargers (level 3) are not easy to find in working order.
6. Highway driving drains your battery very fast at speeds greater than 100kms per hour.
In Summary:
1. My Mustang Mach-E is not a practical car for my job. I put 30,000kms in one year. If we have a colder Winter next year I'll be miserable!
2. The infrastructure is a joke for non- tesla cars. I cannot imagine doubling the electric cars on the road with the current available fast chargers. The wait lines and times to charge will increase arrival times on long trips by many hours!
3. Electric cars are not very efficient on the highway if you like to drive fast.
In my opinion, a plug-in Hybrid (PHEV) car would be ideal. PHEV cars can drive electric in the city, saving you on gas. Then choose gas to drive efficiently on the highway. Win-win!
I sold my Mustang Mach-E and I am on a waiting list to buy a PHEV. It was a fun ride while it lasted but very impractical for my line of work. Our cold Quebec winters and the very poor infrastructure adds to my obvious decision.
Our governments want to put a holt on the production of internal combustion engines by 2035. Good luck with that! The current infrastructure is a joke. I do not have any faith it can be improved to meet the future demand.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on April 30, 2023, 03:12:19 AM
Post by: Herman on April 30, 2023, 03:12:19 AM
Quote from: Guest post_id=499140 time=1682761309Quote from: Herman post_id=499124 time=1682755545 user_id=3396
It is going to be hard finding extension cords for tanks.
Not to mention effective firefighting equipment to put out the inferno when one of those batteries goes into thermal runaway.
You got that right.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on April 30, 2023, 03:13:37 AM
Post by: Herman on April 30, 2023, 03:13:37 AM
Quote from: DKG post_id=499181 time=1682806393 user_id=3390
This was written by Brian Bootcamp O'Connor
Exactly one year after purchasing the electric Mustang Mach-E, I'd like to share my thoughts, pros and cons of driving an all electric car.
Pros:
1. Driving is like nothing I've experienced! The acceleration and power is so smooth and luxurious. What a ride!
2. Don't have to buy gas.
3. Low maintenance!!! No oil changes! Fewer moving parts equals less parts breaking down.
4. City driving is amazing! The car battery excels in slow, stop and go conditions.
Cons:
1. Winter driving is very stressful. The battery drains very quickly in the cold. Heating your cabin in extremely cold temperatures is sometimes impossible! At minus 35 degrees Celsius, your windshield will freeze over as NO HEAT will be provided! That's right...only cold air in very cold climate!
3. Charging your car takes much longer in the winter. Traveling to Ottawa once, it took 90 minutes to charge my car from 20% to 80% at a level 3 Charging spot.
4. The anger and frustration when you pull up to a fast charger off the highway and it is "out of order" is out of this world! It happens too often!
5. Everywhere you travel to, extensive careful planning is needed because fast chargers (level 3) are not easy to find in working order.
6. Highway driving drains your battery very fast at speeds greater than 100kms per hour.
In Summary:
1. My Mustang Mach-E is not a practical car for my job. I put 30,000kms in one year. If we have a colder Winter next year I'll be miserable!
2. The infrastructure is a joke for non- tesla cars. I cannot imagine doubling the electric cars on the road with the current available fast chargers. The wait lines and times to charge will increase arrival times on long trips by many hours!
3. Electric cars are not very efficient on the highway if you like to drive fast.
In my opinion, a plug-in Hybrid (PHEV) car would be ideal. PHEV cars can drive electric in the city, saving you on gas. Then choose gas to drive efficiently on the highway. Win-win!
I sold my Mustang Mach-E and I am on a waiting list to buy a PHEV. It was a fun ride while it lasted but very impractical for my line of work. Our cold Quebec winters and the very poor infrastructure adds to my obvious decision.
Our governments want to put a holt on the production of internal combustion engines by 2035. Good luck with that! The current infrastructure is a joke. I do not have any faith it can be improved to meet the future demand.
That is about the kind of review I would expect. Electric vehicles aint very practical in a country like Canada.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on May 04, 2023, 11:03:43 PM
Post by: Herman on May 04, 2023, 11:03:43 PM
This small representative cluster was pulled from Q1/23 conference call scripts, showing how energy transition ideas are taking root in fertile ground:
Weatherford International (emphasis added): The company noted $290 million of multi-year contract extensions in Latin America for onshore petroleum activity, a 3-year, 5-rig Azerbaijan deep water rig contract, and that "we continue to gain traction in the geothermal energy space through a combination of commercial wins and partnerships...entered into an exclusive collaboration agreement with CeraPhi Energy to provide an integrated package of products and services to end users for the development of geothermal energy. Weatherford will offer its global expertise in data acquisition, digitalization, and automation services, and CeraPhi will leverage its proven engineering and project management services to provide enhanced geothermal technology solutions to the market."
Nabors Drilling (emphasis added): the company talked about a 10-rig new-build program for the Saudi market, with the wells under a six-year contract...then this: "I will update several impactful technologies, which are focused on reducing our own environmental footprint as well as on third-party rigs...First is our PowerTap module, which connects rigs to the grid. We now have 15 of these units deployed... Second, our Smart Power Advisory and Control System optimizes utilization of the engines and reduces emissions. This solution is currently installed on all of our rigs in the Lower 48...Third, the NanO2 diesel fuel additive improves engine performance and reduces emissions. We have already successfully treated more than 17 million gallons of diesel to date. Clients indicate strong interest in our solutions that reduce fuel consumption and emissions...We are now in field testing for a new technology, which uses hydrogen economically generated at the well site to reduce fuel consumption. We expect this product to become commercial later this year."
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on May 06, 2023, 01:03:31 PM
Post by: Oerdin on May 06, 2023, 01:03:31 PM
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on May 06, 2023, 03:40:50 PM
Post by: Herman on May 06, 2023, 03:40:50 PM
Quote from: Oerdin post_id=499958 time=1683392611 user_id=3374
Just another reason why electric cars are never going to be good for the masses. A minor fender bender turns into a $42,000 repair bill. Also remember batteries need to be replaced every 8-10 years and cost $25,000-$35,000.https://www.thedrive.com/news/rivian-r1t-fender-bender-turns-into-42000-repair-bill
They will always be a rich man's virtue signalling toy. The masses aint going to be driving them. But, that is the point. Prog money does not want working folks having mobility freedom.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on May 06, 2023, 05:06:12 PM
Post by: Oerdin on May 06, 2023, 05:06:12 PM
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on May 12, 2023, 08:36:24 PM
Post by: Herman on May 12, 2023, 08:36:24 PM
How expensive are cars in Canada today? In the first quarter of 2023, a new vehicle cost $61,000 on average and a used vehicle cost $39,000 on average.
That's up from about $45,000 and $26,000, respectively, in the first quarter of 2021.
This week on Down to Business, Charles Bernard, lead economist for the Canadian Automobile Dealers Association in Ottawa, a trade and lobbying organization for dealerships, spoke about the forces causing vehicle prices to rise.
Discussions about price inflation often begin with a conversation about how the COVID-19 pandemic disrupted global supply chains and Bernard said the auto industry has certainly been affected by mismatched supply and demand and lately a shortage of semiconductor chips.
But electric vehicle transition is also having inflationary impacts, which is acutely affecting dealerships. As always the interview is edited for clarity and brevity.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Odinson on May 18, 2023, 11:25:11 AM
Post by: Odinson on May 18, 2023, 11:25:11 AM
These things are death-traps.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Shen Li on May 18, 2023, 03:44:02 PM
Post by: Shen Li on May 18, 2023, 03:44:02 PM
Quote from: Odinson post_id=501074 time=1684423511 user_id=136
A hybrid lit up like a torch again... On the road.
These things are death-traps.
They're saving the planet.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on May 19, 2023, 11:15:36 AM
Post by: Oerdin on May 19, 2023, 11:15:36 AM
Quote from: Odinson post_id=501074 time=1684423511 user_id=136
A hybrid lit up like a torch again... On the road.
These things are death-traps.
ADV China had an episode about how common it is for Chinese brand E.V.s to burst into flames 2hich no one can put out.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on May 19, 2023, 11:33:26 AM
Post by: Oerdin on May 19, 2023, 11:33:26 AM
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on May 21, 2023, 09:23:49 PM
Post by: Oerdin on May 21, 2023, 09:23:49 PM
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on May 22, 2023, 10:44:29 AM
Post by: DKG on May 22, 2023, 10:44:29 AM
If sensible public policies are to be implemented to address climate-related issues, Canadians need realistic and credible information
A new study done by the Public Policy Forum in conjunction with Navius Research compares the costs of different approaches to net-zero emissions. The discussion surrounding this study has emphasized the "$100-billion difference," which makes it seem as if attaining net zero will cost Canada $100 billion in lost GDP in 2050, with $60 billion of that, the study says, occurring in Alberta. A "$100-billion difference" in the context of what will be a $3.5 trillion-dollar economy by 2050 probably implied to some people that the cost is too small to worry about.
Unfortunately, this gives a misleading indication of what the PPF/Navius analysis actually found. What the study in fact did was to estimate the difference in costs among three different net-zero scenarios, with costs measured in reduced GDP in 2050. But it did not estimate "the cost of net zero." Hardly anyone does!
In the first scenario examined, emissions reductions are achieved on the basis of "announced policy," that is, the federal government's 2022 Emissions Reduction Plan (ERP), which even Ottawa acknowledges will not fully attain net zero without additional measures. In the second, "accelerated scenario," emissions reductions are achieved on the basis of the ERP, plus an economy-wide cap on net-zero emissions in 2050. Finally, the third scenario adds an explicit phase-out of oil and gas production starting in 2035 and reaching a 95 per cent reduction from 2015 levels by 2050. This third option was proposed by the International Institute for Sustainable Development, Environmental Defence Canada and the Beyond Oil and Gas Alliance.
In summary, the three cases studied were: option one, the policy status quo; option two, the status quo plus a 2050 economy-wide net-zero cap; and option three, the status quo, plus the 2050 net-zero cap plus a phase-out of oil and gas starting in 2035.
The report concluded that option two (the status quo plus the net-zero cap) would reduce Canada's GDP by $200 billion in 2050 compared to just the policy status quo, while option three, adding in the complete phase-out of Canada's oil and gas production, would increase the loss in 2050 to $300 billion.
The $100-billion figure you may have heard about thus refers to the difference in costs between options two and three. The PPF report concluded that this extra $100 billion was not justified by the in fact rather small additional emissions reductions from phasing out oil and gas production.
And that's true even though their estimate of the incremental cost of phasing out oil and gas production is almost certainly too low. According to a statistical overview by the Ivey Business School, in 2019 Canada's oil and gas industry alone accounted for almost $150 billion in GDP, or 7.5 per cent of Canada's total. Wiping it out all but entirely should produce a loss at least in that range, as well as further costs all across the Canadian economy. That
But what's also important to realize is that the PPF/Navius report did not present an estimate of the policy status quo compared to rejecting non zero as a policy objective. So its numbers are in no way an estimate of "the cost of net zero." They are estimates of different variants of a policy aimed at achieving net zero.
Another shortcoming of the report is that it focused on the reduction in GDP in 2050 and did not report the accumulated reduction in Canadian incomes from today through 2050. Nor did it include any analysis of the costs of the technologies that would be required for Canada to reach the proposed net-zero target.
In 2021, Navius did publish a report "Achieving net zero emissions by 2050 in Canada." But it gave no consideration to a scenario in which Canada abandoned the net-zero objective. In other words, it did not assess the full costs of net zero to Canada. The Royal Bank of Canada, in a 2021 report, did project that
If sensible public policies are to be implemented to address climate-related and other environment-economy issues, Canadians need realistic and credible information. So far they haven't been given it.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on May 23, 2023, 03:23:28 AM
Post by: Oerdin on May 23, 2023, 03:23:28 AM
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on May 23, 2023, 09:39:32 AM
Post by: DKG on May 23, 2023, 09:39:32 AM
Quote from: Oerdin post_id=501449 time=1684826608 user_id=3374
Chinese EVs are unsafe as hell. Air bags that don't work, batteries that blow up and can't be put out, self driving which crashes, and, of course, everything is poorly put together and breaks in no time.https://youtu.be/qKa8mVOe5so
No thank you China.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on May 27, 2023, 07:43:21 AM
Post by: Oerdin on May 27, 2023, 07:43:21 AM
It turns out electric trucks suck and are worse than Diesel. Basically physics is against them and they are less energy efficient because of their size and the weights being moved. This is a fundamental weakness which will not be solved with any current technology.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Adolf Oliver Bush on May 27, 2023, 08:13:36 AM
Post by: Adolf Oliver Bush on May 27, 2023, 08:13:36 AM
Dozens of giant turbines on Scotland's windfarms have been powered by diesel generators, the Sunday Mail can reveal. Scottish Power admitted 71 of its windmills were hooked up to the fossil fuel supply after a fault developed on the grid. The firm said it was forced to act in order to keep the turbines warm during very cold weather in December. But a whistleblower has told the Sunday Mail the incident is among a number of environmental and health and safety failings.
The worker, who asked to remain anonymous, said: "The Scottish Government wants to make our country attractive to foreign investors as 40 per cent of the wind that blows across Europe blows across Scotland. However, that should not mean we put up with our waterways and nature being polluted with carbon from diesel generators and hydraulic oil. "People should be aware that, while their energy costs continue to rise, our windfarms are not operating as efficiently as they could be due to corporate greed."
Labour's South Scotland MSP Colin Smyth said: "The SNP and Greens have proven time and time again they cannot be trusted on environmental issues. They laud Scotland's potential for renewables, yet don't appear to ensure those already in existence are properly run. This isn't the first problem raised about this site and there is concern at a lack of openness when problems arise.
"Whatever the reasons, having to use diesel generators to de-ice faulty turbines is environmental madness. This level of dishonesty cuts to the very core of the SNP and Green Government where their rhetoric on net zero is very different from the reality."
Sixty turbines at Arecleoch Wind farm and 11 at Glenn App near Cairnrayn in South Ayrshire were affacted and connected to six huge diesel generators. The windfarms are operated by Scottish Power Renewables, a subsidiary of Spanish-based Iberdrola, which operates 1183 onshore turbines which can produce enough electricity to power two million homes.
But the whistleblower revealed how they had to bring in generators after the issue was discovered. The worker said: "During December 60 turbines at Arecleoch and 11 at Glenn App were de-energised due to a cabling fault originating at Mark Hill wind farm. In order to get these turbines re-energised diesel generators were running for upwards of six hours a day."
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on May 27, 2023, 08:47:35 PM
Post by: Herman on May 27, 2023, 08:47:35 PM
Quote from: "Adolf Oliver Bush" post_id=501967 time=1685189616 user_id=3409
Check it out - diesel powered windfarms!(//%3C/s%3E%3CIMGUR%20id=%22N5HOG6r%22%3E%3CURL%20url=%22https://i.imgur.com/N5HOG6r.jpg%22%3Ehttps://i.imgur.com/N5HOG6r.jpg%3C/URL%3E%3C/IMGUR%3E%3Ce%3E)
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Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on May 29, 2023, 04:50:25 AM
Post by: DKG on May 29, 2023, 04:50:25 AM
Estimates of the SCC championed by Guilbeault are not science
Environment Minister Steven Guilbeault recently announced that the Social Cost of Carbon (SCC), or the dollar value of supposed damages associated with each tonne of carbon dioxide emissions, is about $247, nearly five times higher than the old estimate of $54. He made it sound like a discovery, as if a bunch of experts had finally been able to measure something they previously only guessed at. Like when scientists were finally able to measure the mass of an electron or the age of the Earth, now finally we can measure the SCC.
But in reality there has been no breakthrough in economics comparable to those physics breakthroughs. Countless SCC estimates already exist ranging from small negative amounts (i.e. carbon dioxide emissions are beneficial) to many thousands of dollars per tonne. Every such estimate is like a complex "if-then" statement: if the following assumptions hold, then the SCC is $X. Yale economist William Nordhaus won the 2018 Nobel Memorial Prize in economics for developing some of the first methods for combining all the "if" statements into systems called Integrated Assessment Models or IAMs. And using conventional economic and climate modelling methods, he tended to get pretty low SCC values over the years, which has long been a sore point among climate activists and the politicians who share their agenda.
But economists are on the case. The $247 figure referenced by Guilbeault comes from a new report from the Biden administration that tossed out all the previous models, including Nordhaus's, and instead cobbled together a set of new models that when run together yield much higher SCC values.
In many ways the new models are just like the old ones. For example they persist in using an Equilibrium Climate Sensitivity of 3 degrees C. This refers to the warming expected from doubling the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere. The authors cite the Sixth Assessment Report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change as the basis for this decision, apparently unaware that that estimate has already been shown in the climate literature to be flawed. Using the IPCC's own method on updated data yields a sensitivity estimate of about 2.2 C or less, and as I have shown in a recent publication this is enough to cause the SCC estimate in a standard model to drop to nearly zero.
The biggest boosts to the new SCC figure hailed by Guilbeault come from revisions to agricultural productivity impacts and mortality costs from climate warming. The evidence for large negative agricultural impacts comes from a 2017 article by Frances Moore and co-authors that looked at the combined effects of CO2 fertilization and warming, concluding the net effect would harm global agriculture. Oddly, they used the same data as a 2014 study by Andrew Challinor and co-authors who had found the opposite: the combination of increased CO2 and warming would have much more benign, and in some cases even beneficial, results.
How did Moore et al. get different results from the same data? They used a different statistical model but unfortunately didn't provide evidence showing it is better than the one Challinor used, so it's unclear whose results are stronger. But we know whose are more popular. The Biden administration team referred only to the Moore study and left out any mention of the Challinor one, and it is a safe assumption that the reviewers didn't notice the omission. See how the game is played?
Regarding the mortality effect, the report relies on evidence in a new study that apparently shows that warming will mean fewer deaths from cold and more from heat, and the combined effect globally is a much larger overall death toll than previously thought. The study is by an impressive team led by economist Tamma Carleton and 15 co-authors. In their preface they thank 17 research assistants, four project managers, 13 reviewers and seminar participants at 20 prestigious academic institutions around the world. It's a high-quality piece of work, but like tens of thousands of other splashy climate impacts studies it relies for its headline conclusions on the discredited RCP8.5 emissions scenario. How did all those prestigious researchers and reviewers miss this flaw?
The authors compiled mortality data from selected countries around the world and matched them to temperature records, then built a statistical model to extrapolate over the entire world. They used some clever economic modelling to estimate the beneficial effects of adaptive behaviour (like installing air conditioning) as well as the costs. Then they estimated a "mortality function" that spits out the number of additional deaths between now and the year 2300 attributable to each additional tonne of emissions, both from warming itself and the costs of adaptation. To compute this number the authors needed emissions and income projections out to 2300.
For this they used two scenarios: the extreme, coal-blackened Dickensian fiction called RCP8.5, and a mid-range emissions projection called RCP4.5. In my 2020 JSW column I discussed the efforts of climate analysts to convince their colleagues to stop using the RCP8.5 scenario because of its unrealistic assumptions. Interestingly the Biden administration report moves away from both RCP scenarios and focuses on a new one from Resources for the Future (RFF) which, through most of the rest of this century, projects emissions even below RCP4.5.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on June 01, 2023, 07:29:59 AM
Post by: Oerdin on June 01, 2023, 07:29:59 AM
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on June 04, 2023, 11:52:21 AM
Post by: DKG on June 04, 2023, 11:52:21 AM
Government officials in Ireland are considering a plan to kill 200,000 cows to combat climate change, according to reports.
There were multiple reports this week that the Irish government was contemplating a plan to cull 200,000 cows within three years to fight climate change. The Irish Mirror stated that "the cows would have to be 'culled' at a cost of €600,000 to taxpayers over the next three years to meet climate emissions targets."
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on June 05, 2023, 06:33:49 PM
Post by: Herman on June 05, 2023, 06:33:49 PM
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Adolf Oliver Bush on June 06, 2023, 05:20:06 AM
Post by: Adolf Oliver Bush on June 06, 2023, 05:20:06 AM
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on June 06, 2023, 07:40:08 PM
Post by: Herman on June 06, 2023, 07:40:08 PM
Justine's mandates contradict each other. To meet the requirements of the Clean Fuel Regulations, Canada needs significantly more investment in feedstocks, production and refining of clean fuels. But stacking the ZEV (zero-emissions vehicle) and clean electricity mandates on top of those regulations diminishes the market for even the cleanest fuels and totally undermines the business case for those investments.
Going by the ZEV mandate, refineries for clean fuels are destined to be uneconomic by 2035, the point at which all new light-duty vehicles must be electric. Why would companies want to make the necessary investments to meet the clean-fuel standards in the case? You can force industry to follow new laws, but you can't force it to lose money.
That lack of feasibility is what seemed to drive Parkland PKI-T, a Canadian fuel supplier, to cancel its plans for a renewable diesel refinery in Burnaby, B.C., in March. It cited "a lack of market certainty around emerging renewable fuels" alongside rising costs and competition from the United States.
Maybe this mishmash disincentive is what the government wants all along. Maybe policy makers do not want any gasoline or diesel, clean or unclean, and want all energy sources replaced by electricity.
That lack of feasibility is what seemed to drive Parkland PKI-T, a Canadian fuel supplier, to cancel its plans for a renewable diesel refinery in Burnaby, B.C., in March. It cited "a lack of market certainty around emerging renewable fuels" alongside rising costs and competition from the United States.
Maybe this mishmash disincentive is what the government wants all along. Maybe policy makers do not want any gasoline or diesel, clean or unclean, and want all energy sources replaced by electricity.
If that is the case, there is every reason to doubt we will achieve those ZEV targets. That's because they undermine another emissions-reduction mandate: the Clean Electricity Regulations.
It is already a stretch to decarbonize our grid in 12 years, as the government has committed under the Clean Electricity Regulations. We do not have the supply chain, the workers or a regulatory process that is fast enough to do so.
But to decarbonize the grid and add the electrical capacity necessary to accommodate the surge in ZEVs in the exact same time frame seems bolder than even Soviet economic planners would have dared propose. PwC, a consultancy, estimates the ZEV mandate will increase peak electricity demand by 25 per cent.
Not only do these mandates compete with each other for the same scarce resources – the electrical steel, copper, aluminum and other critical minerals required for the shift – but they also need to compete with the resource needs of our competitors who are also subsidizing electric vehicles and clean electrification and have the same abundance of ambition as us.
That competition will drive higher costs for these mandates than what policy makers have anticipated.
We might soon find out that these contradictory policies are less like a stack of pancakes, and more like a Jenga tower. Each mandate pulls out a block from Canada's climate strategy. It's starting to wobble.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on June 07, 2023, 02:45:28 PM
Post by: Oerdin on June 07, 2023, 02:45:28 PM
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Shen Li on June 07, 2023, 03:55:51 PM
Post by: Shen Li on June 07, 2023, 03:55:51 PM
Quote from: Oerdin post_id=502940 time=1686163528 user_id=3374
It is not about climate change. Just lowering the standards of living and impoverishing the people of the west.
BULLSEYE!!
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Adolf Oliver Bush on June 08, 2023, 07:27:10 AM
Post by: Adolf Oliver Bush on June 08, 2023, 07:27:10 AM
Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=502942 time=1686167751 user_id=3389Quote from: Oerdin post_id=502940 time=1686163528 user_id=3374
It is not about climate change. Just lowering the standards of living and impoverishing the people of the west.
BULLSEYE!!
The man gets it.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Shen Li on June 08, 2023, 01:36:54 PM
Post by: Shen Li on June 08, 2023, 01:36:54 PM
Quote from: "Adolf Oliver Bush" post_id=502987 time=1686223630 user_id=3409Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=502942 time=1686167751 user_id=3389
BULLSEYE!!
The man gets it.https://youtu.be/K-dxt9yH1Jc?t=194
Greta was yesterday's libtard muppet.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on June 08, 2023, 03:19:19 PM
Post by: Oerdin on June 08, 2023, 03:19:19 PM
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Shen Li on June 08, 2023, 04:20:39 PM
Post by: Shen Li on June 08, 2023, 04:20:39 PM
Quote from: Oerdin post_id=502998 time=1686251959 user_id=3374
Anyone notice how all the radical left communists keep claiming we have to destroy the global economy and impoverish billions to "save the planet"?https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2023/06/08/world-energy-council-world-energy-system-not-fit-for-purpose.html
It hasn't gone unnoticed.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oliver Clotheshoffe on June 08, 2023, 04:50:20 PM
Post by: Oliver Clotheshoffe on June 08, 2023, 04:50:20 PM
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on June 08, 2023, 08:43:05 PM
Post by: Herman on June 08, 2023, 08:43:05 PM
Quote from: "Oliver Clotheshoffe" post_id=503000 time=1686257420 user_id=3349
A celebrity who can think.:thumbup:
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on June 08, 2023, 11:03:49 PM
Post by: Oerdin on June 08, 2023, 11:03:49 PM
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Adolf Oliver Bush on June 09, 2023, 03:03:09 AM
Post by: Adolf Oliver Bush on June 09, 2023, 03:03:09 AM
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Frood on June 09, 2023, 04:05:47 AM
Post by: Frood on June 09, 2023, 04:05:47 AM
A lot of average/meagre existence Conservatives over the decades were attacked for voting Right. They were told that the Right didn't care about them and it was stupid to not vote Democrat because Democrats were after outcomes for them, not process.
But as we see now, when the process goes out the door.... so do the positive outcomes.
No poor conservative voter ever said, I'm poor not because of my choices or luck of the draw.
But they would say "I'm conservative because that is the only way I can correct my situation and for those around me"..
Conservatives and Right leaning people own their own problems. Liberals, Leftists, and especially Progressives foist them on others.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on June 09, 2023, 06:00:26 AM
Post by: DKG on June 09, 2023, 06:00:26 AM
Quote from: Oerdin post_id=503014 time=1686279829 user_id=3374
It is all just magical leftist thinking which falls apart on the details. The bastards are destroying electricity production in the U.S. by forcing power plants to close, they are removing hydroelectric dams, they won't build any nuclear power, but they rainbow wind and solar can't keep the lights on.p
That is where climate alartmist hypocrisy is so apparent. They want "renewable" energy, but oppose hydroelectric and nuclear.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: JOE on June 12, 2023, 01:47:38 AM
Post by: JOE on June 12, 2023, 01:47:38 AM
Many of the metals and minerals needed are relatively rare, even quite scarce and could be depleted if they decide to ramp up production.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on June 22, 2023, 08:49:51 PM
Post by: Herman on June 22, 2023, 08:49:51 PM
In the year 2000, there were fewer than two dozen major power disruptions in the United States. In 2020, there were 180.
From just 2013 to 2020, the length of time that Americans had to endure power outages more than doubled.
Over 2 million people without power during California's wildfire season in 2019.vi Even more in Texas during winter storms in 2021.vii Most of the state of Louisiana in the dark after a hurricane later that year.viii Rolling blackouts during a heat wave in the Pacific Northwest.
And those blackouts aren't just inconvenient; they're dangerous. As one utility consultant told the New York Times, "This is like brain surgery. You don't make mistakes. People die when you mess it up.
No pressure, guys.
So, why can't we keep the lights on? Well, there are a number of factors at work.
For one thing, a lot of our energy infrastructure is old. Really old. As in "some of it has been around for more than 100 years" old.xi And over 70 percent of the lines used for power transmission and distribution are approaching the end of their lifecycles.
ut here's where it gets weird: The grid is also getting less reliable ... because we're making it less reliable.
Here's how it works: America's electricity comes from a lot of different sources. In 2022, 40 percent of it came from natural gas, about 20 percent from coal, and a little over 18 percent from nuclear.xv Now, there's an obvious question here: What about renewable sources like wind and solar?
That question is so obvious, in fact, that a lot of politicians are asking it too, which is why more than half of the states in the country are now required by law to get a certain percentage of their electricity from renewables.xvi In 10 of them, the requirement is that they eventually get 100 percent of their electricity from renewables.
And ... that doesn't sound bad, right? If it's all the same, why not use cleaner, more affordable power sources?
Well, here's the thing: It's not all the same. In fact, the way we're using renewables is making it more likely that we'll have more blackouts in our future.
One of the reasons that energy sources like wind and solar haven't traditionally provided much of our electricity is pretty basic: There are big stretches of time when they don't produce any energy at all.
So, how do we manage this problem? So far, the answer has been to use renewable sources when they're available — and then conventional energy sources when they're not.
Wind stops blowing? Fire up the natural gas. Sun stops shining? Start burning some coal. Now, that means that all those renewable energy requirements aren't that realistic — but, hey, it also means your air conditioning stays on during a heat wave.
But here's where things get really tricky. As there's increasing pressure to move to renewable sources, many of those conventional power sources we rely on to make sure the lights stay on are shutting down. Which means that when renewables falter — whether in extreme weather or even just a series of cloudy days ... it's more likely that there won't be enough electricity to go around. And the implications are pretty sobering.
In 2022, the organization that monitors the grid's reliability warned that most of the country was going to be at an elevated risk of power outages in the next five years. The year prior, they cautioned that the risks associated with relying too heavily on renewables were "inconsistent with electric power's essentiality to the continent's economy as well as the health and safety of its population. And the language there is modest, but that's a lawyer's way of saying "we're %@$%#$."
What does this world of shortages look like? Well, ask the people in California, who, a week after their state voted to eventually move entirely to electric cars ... asked them not to charge their electric cars.xxii Or the people in New York, who've been told that their grid could fail if the temperature reaches 98 degrees. Or the owners of smart thermostats in Colorado ... who were locked out of being able to turn up their air conditioning during a heat wave.
hat's not most people's idea of progress. Whatever goals we have for the country's energy production, Americans have to have the power they need to do their jobs, cook their food, or power their medical devices.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Adolf Oliver Bush on June 23, 2023, 12:49:55 AM
Post by: Adolf Oliver Bush on June 23, 2023, 12:49:55 AM
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Shen Li on June 23, 2023, 12:53:10 AM
Post by: Shen Li on June 23, 2023, 12:53:10 AM
Quote from: "Adolf Oliver Bush" post_id=504124 time=1687495795 user_id=3409
Look, it's very simple; in terms of environmentally clean and reliable energy production, there is really only one answer; nuclear. It's not the only answer, you need fossil fueled supplies to take care of the shortfall. And you can please yourself if you put a renewable component in there as well, but understand that of all sources it is the least reliable and carries a fossil fuel component in it anyway, at the very least during the construction phase and longer if you expect to store the energy it produces in batteries.
For electricity, nuclear is among the best options.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oliver Clotheshoffe on June 23, 2023, 09:26:42 AM
Post by: Oliver Clotheshoffe on June 23, 2023, 09:26:42 AM
A row of electric semi-trucks caught fire early Friday morning in Phoenix.
The fire broke out at a Nikola facility near 40th Street and Broadway Road and dozens of firefighters were called out to fight the blaze.
Four trucks caught fire during the incident.
Phoenix Fire Department officials are asking the public to avoid the area due to the nature of the fire. There is a risk of the fires reigniting because they involve battery cells.
Officials say the trucks that caught fire were shut down and not operational at the time. It's not known what caused them to catch fire.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on June 23, 2023, 09:30:54 AM
Post by: DKG on June 23, 2023, 09:30:54 AM
Quote from: "Oliver Clotheshoffe" post_id=504165 time=1687526802 user_id=3349https://x-default-stgec.uplynk.com/ausw/slices/12f/5c3d34b8b29a45469a86c02775b7a2cf/12f2a2702ec046429544e8ab284bd6ac/poster_144ccbd3d0c1488e9abdafa0218fef30.jpg [/img]
A row of electric semi-trucks caught fire early Friday morning in Phoenix.
The fire broke out at a Nikola facility near 40th Street and Broadway Road and dozens of firefighters were called out to fight the blaze.
Four trucks caught fire during the incident.
Phoenix Fire Department officials are asking the public to avoid the area due to the nature of the fire. There is a risk of the fires reigniting because they involve battery cells.
Officials say the trucks that caught fire were shut down and not operational at the time. It's not known what caused them to catch fire.https://www.abc15.com/news/region-phoenix-metro/row-of-electric-semi-trucks-catches-fire-at-nikola-property-in-phoenix
It must have been a lot of work extinguishing those fires.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on June 23, 2023, 09:31:33 AM
Post by: Oerdin on June 23, 2023, 09:31:33 AM
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on June 23, 2023, 09:33:25 AM
Post by: DKG on June 23, 2023, 09:33:25 AM
Quote from: Oerdin post_id=504170 time=1687527093 user_id=3374
It doesn't look like electric semi trucks make financial sense. Which is what most experts expected. Basically, it costs twice as much as a standard diesel model, has less range, spends more time down due to charging, and 3ven the cheaper fuel costs are not that much due to the high cost of electricity in California where the tests were conducted. California has extremely high electricity costs due to over regulation and state mandates for extremely expensive so called "green energy".https://www.torquenews.com/1/pepsi-reveal-tesla-semi-operations-details-real-mileage-numbers/amp
I would imagine the heavier the load, the more it drains the battery too.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on June 23, 2023, 09:36:28 AM
Post by: Oerdin on June 23, 2023, 09:36:28 AM
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on June 23, 2023, 09:38:37 AM
Post by: DKG on June 23, 2023, 09:38:37 AM
Quote from: Oerdin post_id=504174 time=1687527388 user_id=3374
Exactly. EVe are just garbage at towing. Which is why no one who tows anything is going to want an electric truck.
That is what I figured. I cannot imagine electric excavators, cranes, front end loaders, and any other heavy equipment ever being electric.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on June 23, 2023, 09:53:36 AM
Post by: Oerdin on June 23, 2023, 09:53:36 AM
He claimed it was 20% cheaper than coal or natural gas to build solar and 15% cheaper to build wind. He is lying and he knows it. Yes, the projected "total life time costs" might be marginally lower but here is the problem. With a fossil fuel fired power plant only 20% of the total lifetime cost has to be paid up front, that is the construction cost, while the other 80% is fuel costs which is pay as you go paid out over a 30-50byear life span of the plant. 80%-90% of wind or solar has to be paid up front (construction costs) while the rest is maintenance over the 20-30;year expected life span. Yes, green lasts a hell of a lot less time (20 years vs 50 years).
Now, consider the financing costs. A coal plant might be $1.8 billion vs $1.5 billion total life time cost for solar but the company only has to finance $360 million upfront and the rest is fuel paid over a year period. With solar $1.2 billion has to be financed upfront with the rest paid over just a 30 year period. That is a fuck ton more money up front before we even start talking about interest rates and financing charges. No, green isn't cheaper and lefties are lying to you.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on June 23, 2023, 09:56:06 AM
Post by: Oerdin on June 23, 2023, 09:56:06 AM
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on June 23, 2023, 09:58:27 AM
Post by: DKG on June 23, 2023, 09:58:27 AM
Quote from: Oerdin post_id=504182 time=1687528416 user_id=3374
I was watching the Joe Rogan interview with RFK the other day and while he is a lefty he is at least not an establishment lefty and so he isn't afraid to gore some of their politically sacred cows. That is refreshing. That said, the guy still said some deliberately left wing lies about "green energy".
He claimed it was 20% cheaper than coal or natural gas to build solar and 15% cheaper to build wind. He is lying and he knows it. Yes, the projected "total life time costs" might be marginally lower but here is the problem. With a fossil fuel fired power plant only 20% of the total lifetime cost has to be paid up front, that is the construction cost, while the other 80% is fuel costs which is pay as you go paid out over a 30-50byear life span of the plant. 80%-90% of wind or solar has to be paid up front (construction costs) while the rest is maintenance over the 20-30;year expected life span. Yes, green lasts a hell of a lot less time (20 years vs 50 years).
Now, consider the financing costs. A coal plant might be $1.8 billion vs $1.5 billion total life time cost for solar but the company only has to finance $360 million upfront and the rest is fuel paid over a year period. With solar $1.2 billion has to be financed upfront with the rest paid over just a 30 year period. That is a fuck ton more money up front before we even start talking about interest rates and financing charges. No, green isn't cheaper and lefties are lying to you.
That likely doesn't take into account the expensive transmission infrastructure required for wind and solar either.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on June 23, 2023, 10:02:41 AM
Post by: Oerdin on June 23, 2023, 10:02:41 AM
It turns out pot heads are bad at math and engineering.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on June 23, 2023, 12:34:23 PM
Post by: Oerdin on June 23, 2023, 12:34:23 PM
Quote from: DKG post_id=504175 time=1687527517 user_id=3390Quote from: Oerdin post_id=504174 time=1687527388 user_id=3374
Exactly. EVe are just garbage at towing. Which is why no one who tows anything is going to want an electric truck.
That is what I figured. I cannot imagine electric excavators, cranes, front end loaders, and any other heavy equipment ever being electric.
Yep. I am going with what is cheaper and what actually works. The only way the WEF types will get this sort of crap to be viable is to outlaw superior and cheaper proven technology. Which, sadly, seems to be their goal and there is no good reason for it as it doesn't actually reduce cardon or improve the environment. It is just a cult and facts don't matter to cultists.
Hell, the west could eliminate all emissions and it wouldn't even matter as China already produces more then all of them combined and that is not counting India, the rest of Asia, Africa, etc... All of their emissions are skyrocketing so why destroy the west's economy and standard of living when it will have no effect?
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on June 23, 2023, 01:27:20 PM
Post by: Oerdin on June 23, 2023, 01:27:20 PM
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on June 23, 2023, 02:42:12 PM
Post by: DKG on June 23, 2023, 02:42:12 PM
Quote from: Oerdin post_id=504199 time=1687538063 user_id=3374Quote from: DKG post_id=504175 time=1687527517 user_id=3390
That is what I figured. I cannot imagine electric excavators, cranes, front end loaders, and any other heavy equipment ever being electric.
Yep. I am going with what is cheaper and what actually works. The only way the WEF types will get this sort of crap to be viable is to outlaw superior and cheaper proven technology. Which, sadly, seems to be their goal and there is no good reason for it as it doesn't actually reduce cardon or improve the environment. It is just a cult and facts don't matter to cultists.
Hell, the west could eliminate all emissions and it wouldn't even matter as China already produces more then all of them combined and that is not counting India, the rest of Asia, Africa, etc... All of their emissions are skyrocketing so why destroy the west's economy and standard of living when it will have no effect?
Over eighty percent of new emissions are in the developing world.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on June 23, 2023, 02:44:57 PM
Post by: DKG on June 23, 2023, 02:44:57 PM
Quote from: Oerdin post_id=504204 time=1687541240 user_id=3374
He raise great points.https://youtu.be/ds3XBjbfBWE
Good find.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on June 27, 2023, 11:07:51 AM
Post by: DKG on June 27, 2023, 11:07:51 AM
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Lokmar on June 27, 2023, 02:55:10 PM
Post by: Lokmar on June 27, 2023, 02:55:10 PM
Quote from: DKG post_id=504562 time=1687878471 user_id=3390
A lot of the US can count on power outahes this summer. You can blame unreliable wind and solar when you are melting in the heat.
If we simply modernized all our coal fired powerplants, there would be zero need for wind or solar.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on June 27, 2023, 04:21:53 PM
Post by: DKG on June 27, 2023, 04:21:53 PM
Quote from: Lokmar post_id=504583 time=1687892110 user_id=3351Quote from: DKG post_id=504562 time=1687878471 user_id=3390
A lot of the US can count on power outahes this summer. You can blame unreliable wind and solar when you are melting in the heat.
If we simply modernized all our coal fired powerplants, there would be zero need for wind or solar.
There never was a need for wind and solar. They use a lot more finite resources including land than concentrated energy sources like coal, nuclear and natural gas.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Lokmar on June 27, 2023, 11:56:55 PM
Post by: Lokmar on June 27, 2023, 11:56:55 PM
Quote from: DKG post_id=504589 time=1687897313 user_id=3390Quote from: Lokmar post_id=504583 time=1687892110 user_id=3351
If we simply modernized all our coal fired powerplants, there would be zero need for wind or solar.
There never was a need for wind and solar. They use a lot more finite resources including land than concentrated energy sources like coal, nuclear and natural gas.
Yep, and at the end of life, they cant be recycled.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on June 28, 2023, 02:37:15 AM
Post by: Herman on June 28, 2023, 02:37:15 AM
Quote from: Lokmar post_id=504635 time=1687924615 user_id=3351Quote from: DKG post_id=504589 time=1687897313 user_id=3390
There never was a need for wind and solar. They use a lot more finite resources including land than concentrated energy sources like coal, nuclear and natural gas.
Yep, and at the end of life, they cant be recycled.
To landfills they go.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on July 06, 2023, 10:02:59 AM
Post by: DKG on July 06, 2023, 10:02:59 AM
"On the vehicle axis, through technologies such as the integration of next-generation batteries and sonic technology, we will achieve a vehicle cruising range of 1,000 km," Toyota said.
Last year, Mercedes-Benz unveiled its long-range 'Vision EQXX' concept car that travelled over 1,000 km on a fully charged battery -- longest-ever distance covered by an EV on a single charge.
According to the automaker, the journey from Germany to the south of France started in cold and rainy conditions and was undertaken at regular road speeds, including prolonged fast-lane cruising at up to 140 kmph.
The automaker plans to go fully electric by 2030, setting a target for half of its global sales to comprise plug-in hybrids and EVs by 2025.
I have my doubts about this. I think it may have such range on a short charge one time. After that the range keeps getting shorter and the charge longer.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Thiel on July 06, 2023, 10:05:40 PM
Post by: Thiel on July 06, 2023, 10:05:40 PM
Quote from: DKG post_id=505503 time=1688652179 user_id=3390
Toyota is planning an EV (electric vehicle) powered by a solid-state battery that would have a range of nearly 1,200 km (750 miles) and a charge time of only 10 minutes.
"On the vehicle axis, through technologies such as the integration of next-generation batteries and sonic technology, we will achieve a vehicle cruising range of 1,000 km," Toyota said.
Last year, Mercedes-Benz unveiled its long-range 'Vision EQXX' concept car that travelled over 1,000 km on a fully charged battery -- longest-ever distance covered by an EV on a single charge.
According to the automaker, the journey from Germany to the south of France started in cold and rainy conditions and was undertaken at regular road speeds, including prolonged fast-lane cruising at up to 140 kmph.
The automaker plans to go fully electric by 2030, setting a target for half of its global sales to comprise plug-in hybrids and EVs by 2025.https://www.indiatvnews.com/auto/toyota-1200-km-range-electric-vehicle-10-minute-charging-technology-evs-latest-news-2023-06-14-876031
I have my doubts about this. I think it may have such range on a short charge one time. After that the range keeps getting shorter and the charge longer.
I would have no problem in a total transition to electric transportation if it was market driven.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Adolf Oliver Bush on July 07, 2023, 06:46:38 AM
Post by: Adolf Oliver Bush on July 07, 2023, 06:46:38 AM
Quote from: Thiel post_id=505578 time=1688695540 user_id=1688Quote from: DKG post_id=505503 time=1688652179 user_id=3390
Toyota is planning an EV (electric vehicle) powered by a solid-state battery that would have a range of nearly 1,200 km (750 miles) and a charge time of only 10 minutes.
"On the vehicle axis, through technologies such as the integration of next-generation batteries and sonic technology, we will achieve a vehicle cruising range of 1,000 km," Toyota said.
Last year, Mercedes-Benz unveiled its long-range 'Vision EQXX' concept car that travelled over 1,000 km on a fully charged battery -- longest-ever distance covered by an EV on a single charge.
According to the automaker, the journey from Germany to the south of France started in cold and rainy conditions and was undertaken at regular road speeds, including prolonged fast-lane cruising at up to 140 kmph.
The automaker plans to go fully electric by 2030, setting a target for half of its global sales to comprise plug-in hybrids and EVs by 2025.https://www.indiatvnews.com/auto/toyota-1200-km-range-electric-vehicle-10-minute-charging-technology-evs-latest-news-2023-06-14-876031
I have my doubts about this. I think it may have such range on a short charge one time. After that the range keeps getting shorter and the charge longer.
I would have no problem in a total transition to electric transportation if it was market driven.
Me either. It won't be though, I think that's safe to say. Especially not in colder climes where batteries tend to deplete their charge overnight, nor in the freight industry where the power requirements to move multiple tonnage for days at a stretch would see a lot of road trains blowing out their delivery times.
All very well and good for the city-shackled virtue signaling brigade and the assclowns chasing their votes, I'm sure. I'm thinking I could potentially run a hybrid for the non-demanding stuff out where I am, but the technology for EV energy storage is going to have to advance a hell of lot further than it has before I could trust it to deal with any heavy loads I might want to haul about. Add to that the almost total absence of fast charging outlets and the vastly inflated electricity charges (as opposed to diesel and gas) and I predict that there'll be an almost total absence of Mercedes Benz vehicles out this way in the years to come.
Shit cars anyway. If I wanted a European bourgemobile, I'd buy Italian... an Alfa Romeo... with personalised numberplates that read AR-15... just so I could do donuts in the street outside the local Green candidate's place. Because I'm a cunt like that.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on July 07, 2023, 04:05:41 PM
Post by: DKG on July 07, 2023, 04:05:41 PM
Quote from: "Adolf Oliver Bush" post_id=505612 time=1688726798 user_id=3409Quote from: Thiel post_id=505578 time=1688695540 user_id=1688
I would have no problem in a total transition to electric transportation if it was market driven.
Me either. It won't be though, I think that's safe to say. Especially not in colder climes where batteries tend to deplete their charge overnight, nor in the freight industry where the power requirements to move multiple tonnage for days at a stretch would see a lot of road trains blowing out their delivery times.
All very well and good for the city-shackled virtue signaling brigade and the assclowns chasing their votes, I'm sure. I'm thinking I could potentially run a hybrid for the non-demanding stuff out where I am, but the technology for EV energy storage is going to have to advance a hell of lot further than it has before I could trust it to deal with any heavy loads I might want to haul about. Add to that the almost total absence of fast charging outlets and the vastly inflated electricity charges (as opposed to diesel and gas) and I predict that there'll be an almost total absence of Mercedes Benz vehicles out this way in the years to come.
Shit cars anyway. If I wanted a European bourgemobile, I'd buy Italian... an Alfa Romeo... with personalised numberplates that read AR-15... just so I could do donuts in the street outside the local Green candidate's place. Because I'm a cunt like that.ac_biggrin
It would never happen. The urban virtue signalling champagne socialists believe one size fits all and for everything. It does not.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Adolf Oliver Bush on July 08, 2023, 01:34:45 AM
Post by: Adolf Oliver Bush on July 08, 2023, 01:34:45 AM
Quote from: DKG post_id=505761 time=1688760341 user_id=3390Quote from: "Adolf Oliver Bush" post_id=505612 time=1688726798 user_id=3409
Me either. It won't be though, I think that's safe to say. Especially not in colder climes where batteries tend to deplete their charge overnight, nor in the freight industry where the power requirements to move multiple tonnage for days at a stretch would see a lot of road trains blowing out their delivery times.
All very well and good for the city-shackled virtue signaling brigade and the assclowns chasing their votes, I'm sure. I'm thinking I could potentially run a hybrid for the non-demanding stuff out where I am, but the technology for EV energy storage is going to have to advance a hell of lot further than it has before I could trust it to deal with any heavy loads I might want to haul about. Add to that the almost total absence of fast charging outlets and the vastly inflated electricity charges (as opposed to diesel and gas) and I predict that there'll be an almost total absence of Mercedes Benz vehicles out this way in the years to come.
Shit cars anyway. If I wanted a European bourgemobile, I'd buy Italian... an Alfa Romeo... with personalised numberplates that read AR-15... just so I could do donuts in the street outside the local Green candidate's place. Because I'm a cunt like that.ac_biggrin
It would never happen. The urban virtue signalling champagne socialists believe one size fits all and for everything. It does not.
You at least understand that it doesn't.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on July 12, 2023, 02:51:11 PM
Post by: Oerdin on July 12, 2023, 02:51:11 PM
This shit isn't ready for prime time.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on July 12, 2023, 02:54:47 PM
Post by: Oerdin on July 12, 2023, 02:54:47 PM
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on July 18, 2023, 11:03:27 AM
Post by: Oerdin on July 18, 2023, 11:03:27 AM
EVs are not cleaner.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on July 18, 2023, 09:12:31 PM
Post by: Oerdin on July 18, 2023, 09:12:31 PM
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on July 18, 2023, 09:27:17 PM
Post by: Herman on July 18, 2023, 09:27:17 PM
Quote from: Oerdin post_id=508354 time=1689729151 user_id=3374
The first 2-3 minutes are good and on topic.https://youtu.be/cNsU7-rnWGQ
Forget electric, A Kia frickin truck.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on July 18, 2023, 09:54:11 PM
Post by: Oerdin on July 18, 2023, 09:54:11 PM
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on August 10, 2023, 09:57:01 PM
Post by: Oerdin on August 10, 2023, 09:57:01 PM
Rivians electric trucks have their tires wear out in just 6k miles because the battery packs are so damn heavy.
https://www.thedrive.com/news/rivians-tires-are-wearing-out-in-as-little-as-6000-miles-heres-why
https://www.thedrive.com/news/rivians-tires-are-wearing-out-in-as-little-as-6000-miles-heres-why
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on August 11, 2023, 01:49:47 AM
Post by: Oerdin on August 11, 2023, 01:49:47 AM
https://youtube.com/shorts/bPjc1ZhqVAA?feature=share
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on August 11, 2023, 12:38:05 PM
Post by: DKG on August 11, 2023, 12:38:05 PM
Quote from: Oerdin on August 10, 2023, 09:57:01 PMThat makes sense.
Rivians electric trucks have their tires wear out in just 6k miles because the battery packs are so damn heavy.
https://www.thedrive.com/news/rivians-tires-are-wearing-out-in-as-little-as-6000-miles-heres-why
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Biggie Smiles on August 11, 2023, 12:50:27 PM
Post by: Biggie Smiles on August 11, 2023, 12:50:27 PM
I was just reading an article where some guy had to ditch his 115,000.00 ford EV pickup
and having to invest another 26,000 to have the electric in his house and show upgraded to support the chargers? just so that he can go 215 miles after a 2 hour wait time charge up? Hoping he'll find more charging stations along the way?
oh hell nah.
and having to invest another 26,000 to have the electric in his house and show upgraded to support the chargers? just so that he can go 215 miles after a 2 hour wait time charge up? Hoping he'll find more charging stations along the way?
oh hell nah.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on August 11, 2023, 12:56:55 PM
Post by: DKG on August 11, 2023, 12:56:55 PM
Quote from: Biggie Smiles on August 11, 2023, 12:50:27 PMAs it it stands now, ev's are merely an expensive virtue signalling indulgence of the affluent.
I was just reading an article where some guy had to ditch his 115,000.00 ford EV pickup
and having to invest another 26,000 to have the electric in his house and show upgraded to support the chargers? just so that he can go 215 miles after a 2 hour wait time charge up? Hoping he'll find more charging stations along the way?
oh hell nah.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Biggie Smiles on August 11, 2023, 12:59:45 PM
Post by: Biggie Smiles on August 11, 2023, 12:59:45 PM
Quote from: DKG on August 11, 2023, 12:56:55 PM
As it it stands now, ev's are merely an expensive virtue signalling indulgence of the affluent.
And they look at average citizens tethering the lines of poverty with contempt because they don't run out and purchase one
Rodents. - they make Maria Antoinette look like mother Theresa
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Lokmar on August 12, 2023, 10:47:45 AM
Post by: Lokmar on August 12, 2023, 10:47:45 AM
The best thing they could have done for cleaner auto emissions would be to remove all catalytic converters and supplement gasoline with hydrogen. It produces extremely clean exhaust emissions which have zero need for catalysts.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on August 12, 2023, 12:26:24 PM
Post by: Oerdin on August 12, 2023, 12:26:24 PM
I was watching a YouTube video about the glut of electric trucks which are not selling. Ford has around a 300 day supply of electric trucks which no one wants because they cost $100,000 and only go 100 miles when towing.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on August 12, 2023, 12:28:31 PM
Post by: DKG on August 12, 2023, 12:28:31 PM
Quote from: Oerdin on August 12, 2023, 12:26:24 PMEV's make more sense for small, light vehicles. Even then don't run the ac or heat all the time and risk draining the battery.
I was watching a YouTube video about the glut of electric trucks which are not selling. Ford has around a 300 day supply of electric trucks which no one wants because they cost $100,000 and only go 100 miles when towing.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Biggie Smiles on August 12, 2023, 01:02:46 PM
Post by: Biggie Smiles on August 12, 2023, 01:02:46 PM
EVs will not be a viable option until the body can be modified in such a way so as to absorb sunlight
And that's never going to be allowed or even financially feasible for the average person anyway
Libtards are failures at everything they do
And that's never going to be allowed or even financially feasible for the average person anyway
Libtards are failures at everything they do
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on August 12, 2023, 01:31:21 PM
Post by: DKG on August 12, 2023, 01:31:21 PM
Quote from: Biggie Smiles on August 12, 2023, 01:02:46 PMAll Western countries that plan on phasing out ICE vehicles over the next ten to fifteen years, will have to suspend their plans. Electrical grids as they are now, cannot possibly accomodate an entire electrical fleet. That doesn't even take into consideration all the challenges of mining, manufacturing, logistics, infrastructure, and ev limitations.
EVs will not be a viable option until the body can be modified in such a way so as to absorb sunlight
And that's never going to be allowed or even financially feasible for the average person anyway
Libtards are failures at everything they do
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on August 12, 2023, 02:41:10 PM
Post by: Oerdin on August 12, 2023, 02:41:10 PM
Just look at this propaganda nonsense. They literally are demanding everything run on electricity yet also demand electric power generation be made expensive and unreliable. They literally claim only wind and solar can be used. It is lunacy and it is intentionally designed to be lunacy.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelbarnard/2023/08/11/the-short-list-of-climate-actions-that-will-work/amp/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelbarnard/2023/08/11/the-short-list-of-climate-actions-that-will-work/amp/
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on August 12, 2023, 04:31:05 PM
Post by: Oerdin on August 12, 2023, 04:31:05 PM
What a disaster story.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/man-forced-ditch-115k-ford-ev-truck-family-road-trip-chicago-biggest-scam-modern-times.amp
https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/man-forced-ditch-115k-ford-ev-truck-family-road-trip-chicago-biggest-scam-modern-times.amp
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Biggie Smiles on August 12, 2023, 04:37:46 PM
Post by: Biggie Smiles on August 12, 2023, 04:37:46 PM
Yeah. That was insane
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on August 12, 2023, 04:53:56 PM
Post by: Herman on August 12, 2023, 04:53:56 PM
Quote from: Oerdin on August 12, 2023, 04:31:05 PMFolks need to do their home work before buying one of those money pits.
What a disaster story.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/man-forced-ditch-115k-ford-ev-truck-family-road-trip-chicago-biggest-scam-modern-times.amp
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Lokmar on August 12, 2023, 10:13:06 PM
Post by: Lokmar on August 12, 2023, 10:13:06 PM
Quote from: Oerdin on August 12, 2023, 04:31:05 PM
What a disaster story.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/man-forced-ditch-115k-ford-ev-truck-family-road-trip-chicago-biggest-scam-modern-times.amp
:crampe: :crampe: :crampe: :crampe: :crampe: :crampe: :crampe: :crampe:
For EV to be viable, everyone needs to be on 480 3 phase, including your house, and either solar and windmills need to cover every farm in America or 1000 new nuke plants need to be built.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Reggie Essent on August 12, 2023, 10:37:20 PM
Post by: Reggie Essent on August 12, 2023, 10:37:20 PM
Yeah. I want one of these.
(https://ul.org/sites/default/files/styles/card/public/2021-11/fire-thermal-runaway-propagation-challenges-electric-vehicles.jpg?itok=rEsi_5YO)
(https://ul.org/sites/default/files/styles/card/public/2021-11/fire-thermal-runaway-propagation-challenges-electric-vehicles.jpg?itok=rEsi_5YO)
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: caskur on August 13, 2023, 12:13:26 AM
Post by: caskur on August 13, 2023, 12:13:26 AM
:cry:
And the new neighbours have an electric car and I am terrified.
Their garage is on our fenceline.
And the new neighbours have an electric car and I am terrified.
Their garage is on our fenceline.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on August 13, 2023, 10:43:27 AM
Post by: Oerdin on August 13, 2023, 10:43:27 AM
Quote from: Lokmar on August 12, 2023, 10:13:06 PM
:crampe: :crampe: :crampe: :crampe: :crampe: :crampe: :crampe: :crampe:
For EV to be viable, everyone needs to be on 480 3 phase, including your house, and either solar and windmills need to cover every farm in America or 1000 new nuke plants need to be built.
Except all the cultists oppose nuclear energy. They really just hate humans and want humans impoverished and freezing.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on August 13, 2023, 11:48:39 AM
Post by: Oerdin on August 13, 2023, 11:48:39 AM
They literally want to destroy our way of life and install neo-fuedalism.
https://youtu.be/wLsRo1Bxdsc
https://youtu.be/wLsRo1Bxdsc
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on August 13, 2023, 12:00:24 PM
Post by: DKG on August 13, 2023, 12:00:24 PM
A carbon allowance. Fifteen minute cities. Lockdowns and mandates. Wake up people, your liberty and prosperity is being confiscated.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Lokmar on August 13, 2023, 12:37:56 PM
Post by: Lokmar on August 13, 2023, 12:37:56 PM
Wow, that's fucking INSANE!!!!! Time to start butchering these assholes!
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on August 13, 2023, 12:48:12 PM
Post by: Oerdin on August 13, 2023, 12:48:12 PM
VW wanted to release an electric version of a retro camper van but has had to delay it's release as the battery pack weights so much it can not be registered as a normal vehicle.
https://www.thedrive.com/news/vw-id-buzz-camper-van-delayed-because-its-too-heavy-for-normal-licenses-report
https://www.thedrive.com/news/vw-id-buzz-camper-van-delayed-because-its-too-heavy-for-normal-licenses-report
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on August 13, 2023, 12:54:47 PM
Post by: DKG on August 13, 2023, 12:54:47 PM
Quote from: Oerdin on August 13, 2023, 12:48:12 PMI didn't read the link, but they didn't know this beforehand?
VW wanted to release an electric version of a retro camper van but has had to delay it's release as the battery pack weights so much it can not be registered as a normal vehicle.
https://www.thedrive.com/news/vw-id-buzz-camper-van-delayed-because-its-too-heavy-for-normal-licenses-report
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on August 13, 2023, 02:00:00 PM
Post by: Oerdin on August 13, 2023, 02:00:00 PM
Jesus Christ, what a fucking turd. So California is pushing electric vehicles even as it doesn't have enough electricity to run itself currently and has no plans on how to power electric vehicles in the future. The supposedly green state also remov2d virtually all financial incentives for home owners to install roof top solar because it really doesn't want home owners generating their own electric power for some reason.
Now, a stupid Democrat has written a proposed law which will let the state government drain your electric vehicle's battery to provide power to the state. That is right, they want to damage your battery, drain it so your electric car is unusable and they don't even want to pay you anything to do it. You can'take this shit up.
https://californiaglobe.com/articles/power-vacuum-california-wants-to-suck-your-ev/amp/
Now, a stupid Democrat has written a proposed law which will let the state government drain your electric vehicle's battery to provide power to the state. That is right, they want to damage your battery, drain it so your electric car is unusable and they don't even want to pay you anything to do it. You can'take this shit up.
https://californiaglobe.com/articles/power-vacuum-california-wants-to-suck-your-ev/amp/
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Lokmar on August 13, 2023, 11:54:37 PM
Post by: Lokmar on August 13, 2023, 11:54:37 PM
You can talk numbers to the average asshole until you're blue in the face and they'll always come back with "BUT DA EARF!!!!"
The power has to come from somewhere and we dont have any plan, realistic plan, to generate the power.
The power has to come from somewhere and we dont have any plan, realistic plan, to generate the power.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on August 16, 2023, 04:14:09 PM
Post by: DKG on August 16, 2023, 04:14:09 PM
Developed countries are spending a lot of money without any proof whatsoever that ev's will lower emissions.
Government's EV push may actually increase emissions
In Canada, government efforts to reorganize the automobile industry from the top down, supposedly to save the world from global warming, include heavy subsidization of electric vehicles (EVs), almost $30 billion in handouts to two manufacturers to keep battery plants in Ontario, significant spending on EV infrastructure and plans to ban sales of gasoline-powered cars by 2035. The subsidies and handouts are already burning taxpayers and consumers; the forthcoming ban will be at least as painful.
Besides Canada, many other countries and jurisdictions are imposing their own prohibitions on internal combustion engines in the next decade or so. But as Mark P. Mills, a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute, lays bare in a recent study, the mandates will be economically disastrous and the environmental benefit are dubious. "Bans on conventionally powered vehicles," he writes, "will lead to draconian impediments to affordable and convenient driving and a massive misallocation of capital in the world's $4-trillion automotive industry."
Even with significant government incentives to bend consumers to buy EVs, Mills notes it took two years for Ford's electric Mustang Mach-E to reach 150,000 sales. By comparison, when Ford introduced its 1964 Mustang, it sold one million within 18 months. While EVs are a compelling choice for many consumers, their rate of adoption would have to far surpass anything seen historically to reach government objectives.
Specifically, Mills writes: "In service of government climate strategies to achieve radical emissions reductions, consumers will need to adopt EVs at a scale and velocity 10 times greater and faster than the introduction of any new model of car in history." This is not something likely to occur due to consumer preferences; politicians will have to browbeat millions of people into buying cars they do not really want through taxes, subsidies and mandates. Thus, the forthcoming prohibitions.
The government project to mandate EVs is also fraught with shaky and uncertain economics. As Mills points out, "no one knows when or whether EVs will reach economic parity with the cars that most people drive" because "for the majority of drivers, there's no visibility for when, if ever, EVs will reach parity in cost and fueling convenience, regardless of subsidies." The price of EVs is determined largely by the costs of critical materials including a wide range of minerals mined mainly in foreign countries.
Finally, Mills argues the environmental benefits of EV mandates are doubtful. "No one knows how much, if at all, CO2 emissions will decline as EV use rises," he writes, due to uncertainties in the emissions in EV production. "Those emissions substantially offset reductions from avoiding gasoline and, as the demand for battery minerals explodes, the net reductions will shrink, may vanish, and could even lead to a net increase in emissions."
New York Times columnist Peter Coy recently raised similar concerns. Partly due to increasing battery sizes to satisfy consumers, EVs are consuming huge quantities of materials and their prices are trending up, not down. Moreover, due to their emissions-intensive production, EVs must travel 28,000 to 68,000 miles before they're more greenhouse gas-efficient than conventional gasoline-powered cars, eroding their environmental benefits.
Electric vehicles may be a good choice for some people. The evidence clearly shows, however, the tens of billions of dollars in government subsidies are financially impoverishing and the government compulsion of consumers to buy such vehicles when they prefer conventional gasoline-powered cars is an overreach with little to no compensating environmental benefit.
https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/lau-governments-ev-push-may-actually-increase-emissions
Government's EV push may actually increase emissions
In Canada, government efforts to reorganize the automobile industry from the top down, supposedly to save the world from global warming, include heavy subsidization of electric vehicles (EVs), almost $30 billion in handouts to two manufacturers to keep battery plants in Ontario, significant spending on EV infrastructure and plans to ban sales of gasoline-powered cars by 2035. The subsidies and handouts are already burning taxpayers and consumers; the forthcoming ban will be at least as painful.
Besides Canada, many other countries and jurisdictions are imposing their own prohibitions on internal combustion engines in the next decade or so. But as Mark P. Mills, a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute, lays bare in a recent study, the mandates will be economically disastrous and the environmental benefit are dubious. "Bans on conventionally powered vehicles," he writes, "will lead to draconian impediments to affordable and convenient driving and a massive misallocation of capital in the world's $4-trillion automotive industry."
Even with significant government incentives to bend consumers to buy EVs, Mills notes it took two years for Ford's electric Mustang Mach-E to reach 150,000 sales. By comparison, when Ford introduced its 1964 Mustang, it sold one million within 18 months. While EVs are a compelling choice for many consumers, their rate of adoption would have to far surpass anything seen historically to reach government objectives.
Specifically, Mills writes: "In service of government climate strategies to achieve radical emissions reductions, consumers will need to adopt EVs at a scale and velocity 10 times greater and faster than the introduction of any new model of car in history." This is not something likely to occur due to consumer preferences; politicians will have to browbeat millions of people into buying cars they do not really want through taxes, subsidies and mandates. Thus, the forthcoming prohibitions.
The government project to mandate EVs is also fraught with shaky and uncertain economics. As Mills points out, "no one knows when or whether EVs will reach economic parity with the cars that most people drive" because "for the majority of drivers, there's no visibility for when, if ever, EVs will reach parity in cost and fueling convenience, regardless of subsidies." The price of EVs is determined largely by the costs of critical materials including a wide range of minerals mined mainly in foreign countries.
Finally, Mills argues the environmental benefits of EV mandates are doubtful. "No one knows how much, if at all, CO2 emissions will decline as EV use rises," he writes, due to uncertainties in the emissions in EV production. "Those emissions substantially offset reductions from avoiding gasoline and, as the demand for battery minerals explodes, the net reductions will shrink, may vanish, and could even lead to a net increase in emissions."
New York Times columnist Peter Coy recently raised similar concerns. Partly due to increasing battery sizes to satisfy consumers, EVs are consuming huge quantities of materials and their prices are trending up, not down. Moreover, due to their emissions-intensive production, EVs must travel 28,000 to 68,000 miles before they're more greenhouse gas-efficient than conventional gasoline-powered cars, eroding their environmental benefits.
Electric vehicles may be a good choice for some people. The evidence clearly shows, however, the tens of billions of dollars in government subsidies are financially impoverishing and the government compulsion of consumers to buy such vehicles when they prefer conventional gasoline-powered cars is an overreach with little to no compensating environmental benefit.
https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/lau-governments-ev-push-may-actually-increase-emissions
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: caskur on August 16, 2023, 08:56:55 PM
Post by: caskur on August 16, 2023, 08:56:55 PM
my new neighbours have an electic car and I am terrified it will catch fire.... their garage makes up part of our fence line and I am mere metres away from it.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on August 16, 2023, 09:26:21 PM
Post by: Herman on August 16, 2023, 09:26:21 PM
Quote from: caskur on August 16, 2023, 08:56:55 PMmy new neighbours have an electic car and I am terrified it will catch fire.... their garage makes up part of our fence line and I am mere metres away from it.I am glad I do not have neighbours.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: caskur on August 16, 2023, 11:25:19 PM
Post by: caskur on August 16, 2023, 11:25:19 PM
Quote from: Herman on August 16, 2023, 09:26:21 PMI am glad I do not have neighbours.
doesn't matter, you could be parked in a parking building, next space could be parked an EV... she goes up in flames, so does your car too.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Reggie Essent on August 17, 2023, 11:16:03 PM
Post by: Reggie Essent on August 17, 2023, 11:16:03 PM
Quote from: caskur on August 16, 2023, 11:25:19 PMdoesn't matter, you could be parked in a parking building, next space could be parked an EV... she goes up in flames, so does your car too.
Someone a few streets away from me had an EV go up in flames just a few weeks ago. Luckily they had it parked in their driveway so the house didn't go up. Something with the power plug fucked up. They had run the cables out to the car from their fancy new and expensive "power station" they had installed in the garage.
It was a Tesla.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Biggie Smiles on August 17, 2023, 11:18:58 PM
Post by: Biggie Smiles on August 17, 2023, 11:18:58 PM
Quote from: Reggie Essent on August 17, 2023, 11:16:03 PMSomeone a few streets away from me had an EV go up in flames just a few weeks ago. Luckily they had it parked in their driveway so the house didn't go up. Something with the power plug fucked up. They had run the cables out to the car from their fancy new and expensive "power station" they had installed in the garage.
It was a Tesla.
Here in Florida during those mass evacuations down by the Ft Myers area we saw several EV's that ran out of power while stuck in bumper to bumper traffic because the power lines were down on account of strong prestorm winds
I kinda felt bad for laughing but I did anyway :s_laugh:
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on August 17, 2023, 11:22:53 PM
Post by: Herman on August 17, 2023, 11:22:53 PM
Quote from: Biggie Smiles on August 17, 2023, 11:18:58 PMHere in Florida during those mass evacuations down by the Ft Myers area we saw several EV's that ran out of power while stuck in bumper to bumper traffic because the power lines were down on account of strong prestorm windsI would have laughed too.
I kinda felt bad for laughing but I did anyway :s_laugh:
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Biggie Smiles on August 17, 2023, 11:27:47 PM
Post by: Biggie Smiles on August 17, 2023, 11:27:47 PM
Quote from: Herman on August 17, 2023, 11:22:53 PMI would have laughed too.
They had a gay couple on TV whom they were interviewing and the two fags were freaking out
it was funny as fuck
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on August 17, 2023, 11:34:55 PM
Post by: Herman on August 17, 2023, 11:34:55 PM
Thinking of buying an electric truck? Think again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AEpORf6zVQ&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theblaze.com%2Fnews%2Fdalbir-bala-electric-truck-road-trip%3Futm_source%3Dtheblaze-dailyPM%26utm_medium%3Demail%26utm_campaign%3DDai&source_ve_path=Mjg2NjY&feature=emb_logo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AEpORf6zVQ&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theblaze.com%2Fnews%2Fdalbir-bala-electric-truck-road-trip%3Futm_source%3Dtheblaze-dailyPM%26utm_medium%3Demail%26utm_campaign%3DDai&source_ve_path=Mjg2NjY&feature=emb_logo
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on August 18, 2023, 02:19:30 PM
Post by: Oerdin on August 18, 2023, 02:19:30 PM
Tesla accused of lying about vehicle range.
https://news.yahoo.com/tesla-lands-hot-water-report-100000724.html
https://news.yahoo.com/tesla-lands-hot-water-report-100000724.html
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oliver the Second on August 18, 2023, 05:07:30 PM
Post by: Oliver the Second on August 18, 2023, 05:07:30 PM
Nikola recalls battery-electric trucks following fire investigation
Nikola Corp. is recalling 209 of its Tre battery-electric trucks after a third-party investigation found that a coolant leak in a battery pack sparked a fire at the company's Phoenix headquarters in June.
Nikola is temporarily halting sales of its battery-electric trucks as "a precautionary measure," the company said.
"At Nikola we take safety very seriously," Steve Girsky, Nikola's CEO, said in an Aug. 11 statement. "We stated from the beginning that as soon as our investigations were concluded we would provide an update and we will continue our transparency as we learn more."
Internal investigations by Nikola's safety and engineering teams found that a single supplier component within its battery packs are the likely source of the coolant leaks. Efforts are underway to "provide a field remedy in the coming weeks," according to the company.
https://ktar.com/story/5529807/nikola-recalls-battery-electric-trucks-following-fire-investigation/
Nikola Corp. is recalling 209 of its Tre battery-electric trucks after a third-party investigation found that a coolant leak in a battery pack sparked a fire at the company's Phoenix headquarters in June.
Nikola is temporarily halting sales of its battery-electric trucks as "a precautionary measure," the company said.
"At Nikola we take safety very seriously," Steve Girsky, Nikola's CEO, said in an Aug. 11 statement. "We stated from the beginning that as soon as our investigations were concluded we would provide an update and we will continue our transparency as we learn more."
Internal investigations by Nikola's safety and engineering teams found that a single supplier component within its battery packs are the likely source of the coolant leaks. Efforts are underway to "provide a field remedy in the coming weeks," according to the company.
https://ktar.com/story/5529807/nikola-recalls-battery-electric-trucks-following-fire-investigation/
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on August 18, 2023, 06:09:15 PM
Post by: Herman on August 18, 2023, 06:09:15 PM
Quote from: Oliver the Second on August 18, 2023, 05:07:30 PMNikola recalls battery-electric trucks following fire investigationI will never own a frickin electric truck.
Nikola Corp. is recalling 209 of its Tre battery-electric trucks after a third-party investigation found that a coolant leak in a battery pack sparked a fire at the company's Phoenix headquarters in June.
Nikola is temporarily halting sales of its battery-electric trucks as "a precautionary measure," the company said.
"At Nikola we take safety very seriously," Steve Girsky, Nikola's CEO, said in an Aug. 11 statement. "We stated from the beginning that as soon as our investigations were concluded we would provide an update and we will continue our transparency as we learn more."
Internal investigations by Nikola's safety and engineering teams found that a single supplier component within its battery packs are the likely source of the coolant leaks. Efforts are underway to "provide a field remedy in the coming weeks," according to the company.
https://ktar.com/story/5529807/nikola-recalls-battery-electric-trucks-following-fire-investigation/
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on August 19, 2023, 12:57:08 PM
Post by: DKG on August 19, 2023, 12:57:08 PM
Ford CEO Jim Farley admitted he underwent a "reality check" when he tried to make a cross-country road trip in the Ford electric F-150.
"Charging has been pretty challenging," Mr. Farley said in a video on X, formerly known as Twitter. "It was a really good reality check of the challenges of what our customers go through and the importance of fast charging and what we're going to have to do to improve the charging experience."
In California, Mr. Farley said he encountered slow charging times. When using a low-speed charger, it took about 40 minutes for it to charge the electric F-150's battery to 40 percent.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/article/ford-ceo-admits-reality-check-when-he-took-electric-f-150-truck-on-road-trip-5474740?utm_source=goodeveningnoe&src_src=goodeveningnoe&utm_campaign=gv-2023-08-18&src_cmp=gv-2023-08-18&utm_medium=email&est=PfyHf%2F88U9uaJ%2BUSHDMFEMIfwv9VzET%2FF3F2OnfS4YCy6GMAm4g7bXSRuLu4T1HQjQ%3D%3D
"Charging has been pretty challenging," Mr. Farley said in a video on X, formerly known as Twitter. "It was a really good reality check of the challenges of what our customers go through and the importance of fast charging and what we're going to have to do to improve the charging experience."
In California, Mr. Farley said he encountered slow charging times. When using a low-speed charger, it took about 40 minutes for it to charge the electric F-150's battery to 40 percent.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/article/ford-ceo-admits-reality-check-when-he-took-electric-f-150-truck-on-road-trip-5474740?utm_source=goodeveningnoe&src_src=goodeveningnoe&utm_campaign=gv-2023-08-18&src_cmp=gv-2023-08-18&utm_medium=email&est=PfyHf%2F88U9uaJ%2BUSHDMFEMIfwv9VzET%2FF3F2OnfS4YCy6GMAm4g7bXSRuLu4T1HQjQ%3D%3D
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: caskur on August 19, 2023, 01:47:18 PM
Post by: caskur on August 19, 2023, 01:47:18 PM
Quote from: DKG on August 19, 2023, 12:57:08 PMFord CEO Jim Farley admitted he underwent a "reality check" when he tried to make a cross-country road trip in the Ford electric F-150.
"Charging has been pretty challenging," Mr. Farley said in a video on X, formerly known as Twitter. "It was a really good reality check of the challenges of what our customers go through and the importance of fast charging and what we're going to have to do to improve the charging experience."
In California, Mr. Farley said he encountered slow charging times. When using a low-speed charger, it took about 40 minutes for it to charge the electric F-150's battery to 40 percent.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/article/ford-ceo-admits-reality-check-when-he-took-electric-f-150-truck-on-road-trip-5474740?utm_source=goodeveningnoe&src_src=goodeveningnoe&utm_campaign=gv-2023-08-18&src_cmp=gv-2023-08-18&utm_medium=email&est=PfyHf%2F88U9uaJ%2BUSHDMFEMIfwv9VzET%2FF3F2OnfS4YCy6GMAm4g7bXSRuLu4T1HQjQ%3D%3D
Too bad if you are carting granddad to hospital with a suspected heart attack...
We are going to be in deep shit when these pieces of crap become the majority vehicle.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on August 22, 2023, 03:39:53 PM
Post by: Oerdin on August 22, 2023, 03:39:53 PM
https://youtube.com/shorts/7sBrv5BZYjU?si=OcAcWbVY9WUefY4w
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on August 22, 2023, 03:53:42 PM
Post by: DKG on August 22, 2023, 03:53:42 PM
Quote from: Oerdin on August 22, 2023, 03:39:53 PMhttps://youtube.com/shorts/7sBrv5BZYjU?si=OcAcWbVY9WUefY4wEV's are not designed for emergency situations.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on August 22, 2023, 03:55:50 PM
Post by: Oerdin on August 22, 2023, 03:55:50 PM
Quote from: DKG on August 22, 2023, 03:53:42 PMEV's are not designed for emergency situations.
Yep, and that is an excellent reason not to buy one. In an emergency you need reliable transportation and that isn't an E.V..
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on August 23, 2023, 02:52:45 PM
Post by: Oerdin on August 23, 2023, 02:52:45 PM
https://youtube.com/shorts/gJbOqLrb6gQ?si=GnCnyERnv31TjuZ4
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on August 23, 2023, 03:01:40 PM
Post by: DKG on August 23, 2023, 03:01:40 PM
Quote from: Oerdin on August 23, 2023, 02:52:45 PMhttps://youtube.com/shorts/gJbOqLrb6gQ?si=GnCnyERnv31TjuZ4Even with heavy subsidies, ev's are still more expensive to own and operate than ICE vehicles.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Brent on August 29, 2023, 07:03:36 PM
Post by: Brent on August 29, 2023, 07:03:36 PM
Wind turbines have been failing mysteriously.
According to a Bloomberg travel report, these fallen wind turbines span various locations across the world, especially Oklahoma, Sweden, Colorado, and Germany. Fortunately, we already know why this is happening. Three of the world's top wind turbine manufacturers have put the blame on the rush to build bigger turbines, which has led to quality control issues.
Most of the turbines that have collapsed in various locations across the world are at least 750 feet tall. The tallest so far was a 784-foot giant turbine that fell in Germany towards the end of 2021.
Vestas, Siemens Gamesa, and General Electric are the three biggest companies in the wind turbine industry. Reports have it that their turbines are falling due to manufacturing issues.
With bigger turbines also come bigger problems that the industry doesn't seem to be capable of handling effectively.
According to a Bloomberg travel report, these fallen wind turbines span various locations across the world, especially Oklahoma, Sweden, Colorado, and Germany. Fortunately, we already know why this is happening. Three of the world's top wind turbine manufacturers have put the blame on the rush to build bigger turbines, which has led to quality control issues.
Most of the turbines that have collapsed in various locations across the world are at least 750 feet tall. The tallest so far was a 784-foot giant turbine that fell in Germany towards the end of 2021.
Vestas, Siemens Gamesa, and General Electric are the three biggest companies in the wind turbine industry. Reports have it that their turbines are falling due to manufacturing issues.
With bigger turbines also come bigger problems that the industry doesn't seem to be capable of handling effectively.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on August 31, 2023, 06:42:21 PM
Post by: Oerdin on August 31, 2023, 06:42:21 PM
Chinese made eBikes suck, catch fire, and explode in huge numbers.
https://youtu.be/ZpNCii-OTqw?si=myN0PiUUO0_GoHxV
https://youtu.be/ZpNCii-OTqw?si=myN0PiUUO0_GoHxV
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on August 31, 2023, 06:47:13 PM
Post by: Herman on August 31, 2023, 06:47:13 PM
Quote from: Oerdin on August 31, 2023, 06:42:21 PMChinese made eBikes suck, catch fire, and explode in huge numbers.Damn, I see ebikes all over the place. In rural areas and in towns and cities.
https://youtu.be/ZpNCii-OTqw?si=myN0PiUUO0_GoHxV
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on August 31, 2023, 06:51:34 PM
Post by: Oerdin on August 31, 2023, 06:51:34 PM
https://youtube.com/shorts/hU7iZ3tRgWo?si=pyk6qXhGLpjp7Viq
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on August 31, 2023, 06:58:02 PM
Post by: Herman on August 31, 2023, 06:58:02 PM
Quote from: Oerdin on August 31, 2023, 06:51:34 PMhttps://youtube.com/shorts/hU7iZ3tRgWo?si=pyk6qXhGLpjp7ViqThat is a scorching fire.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on September 06, 2023, 08:57:39 PM
Post by: Oerdin on September 06, 2023, 08:57:39 PM
Around the four minute mark.
https://youtu.be/pmiVQKpd1IY?si=Nwtd0MqnUfwrddAZ
https://youtu.be/pmiVQKpd1IY?si=Nwtd0MqnUfwrddAZ
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on September 06, 2023, 09:17:58 PM
Post by: Herman on September 06, 2023, 09:17:58 PM
Quote from: Oerdin on September 06, 2023, 08:57:39 PMAround the four minute mark.Are ev sales down?
https://youtu.be/pmiVQKpd1IY?si=Nwtd0MqnUfwrddAZ
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on September 07, 2023, 11:50:02 AM
Post by: Oerdin on September 07, 2023, 11:50:02 AM
Mostly due to price and the fact that regular people don't want them.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on September 09, 2023, 03:07:41 AM
Post by: Oerdin on September 09, 2023, 03:07:41 AM
The UK is also enacting tyrannical laws just like California is doing. Amazing how world wide the WEF is pushing this all over the western world but not in the rest of the world.
https://youtu.be/Bpb86NPBLIE?si=YUh6qJy00fJTemCI
https://youtu.be/Bpb86NPBLIE?si=YUh6qJy00fJTemCI
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Frood on September 09, 2023, 03:15:46 AM
Post by: Frood on September 09, 2023, 03:15:46 AM
Keep your vehicles fueled up and if you can't bolt on a secondary tank or oversized tank, keep enough 20 litre tanks to go towards your destination.
Make no bones about it.
They WILL shut off fuel and try to stop road traffic.
They want us dead.
Make no bones about it.
They WILL shut off fuel and try to stop road traffic.
They want us dead.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on September 14, 2023, 12:48:05 PM
Post by: Oerdin on September 14, 2023, 12:48:05 PM
Net zero is such a totalitarian red herring. The UK is going full evil shithole with the government banning the advertising of cheese because supposedly cheese is bad for the environment. They want to ban your car, they want to ban me at for most people, they want to ban you traveling, they want to dictate how much energy you can use and if you use to much then you get cut off. No heating in winter for you. Hell, they even want to limit how many clothes you are allowed to buy; seriously, they are demanding you only get to buy eight new clothing items per year.
How can people vote for these idiots?
https://youtu.be/m2BPKMhZPFI?si=skaFKdJR_DVOYZZj
How can people vote for these idiots?
https://youtu.be/m2BPKMhZPFI?si=skaFKdJR_DVOYZZj
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on September 14, 2023, 12:49:57 PM
Post by: Oerdin on September 14, 2023, 12:49:57 PM
They literally are saying by 2030 people should only be allowed to eat 1.5 oz of meat per day.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on September 14, 2023, 12:51:10 PM
Post by: DKG on September 14, 2023, 12:51:10 PM
Quote from: Oerdin on September 14, 2023, 12:48:05 PMNet zero is such a totalitarian red herring. The UK is going full evil shithole with the government banning the advertising of cheese because supposedly cheese is bad for the environment. They want to ban your car, they want to ban me at for most people, they want to ban you traveling, they want to dictate how much energy you can use and if you use to much then you get cut off. No heating in winter for you. Hell, they even want to limit how many clothes you are allowed to buy; seriously, they are demanding you only get to buy eight new clothing items per year.The scariest consequence of the net zero obsession will be the global food supply.
How can people vote for these idiots?
https://youtu.be/m2BPKMhZPFI?si=skaFKdJR_DVOYZZj
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on September 14, 2023, 12:52:57 PM
Post by: DKG on September 14, 2023, 12:52:57 PM
Quote from: Oerdin on September 14, 2023, 12:49:57 PMThey literally are saying by 2030 people should only be allowed to eat 1.5 oz of meat per day.Even George Orwell could not have imagined that.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on September 14, 2023, 01:01:05 PM
Post by: Oerdin on September 14, 2023, 01:01:05 PM
Quote from: DKG on September 14, 2023, 12:52:57 PMEven George Orwell could not have imagined that.
They openly say they want central bank digital currencies so they can monitor every financial transaction and even block transactions if they don't like what you are buying.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on September 14, 2023, 01:04:14 PM
Post by: Oerdin on September 14, 2023, 01:04:14 PM
Quote from: DKG on September 14, 2023, 12:51:10 PMThe scariest consequence of the net zero obsession will be the global food supply.
Do you notice how world wide, at least in the western world, the WEF is pushing to eliminate farmers whereever possible? They don't want any fertilizer used, or any pesticides, no meat, no eggs, no dairy. They also openly have said they want to reduce the human population to below 1 billion. That means they want 7/8ths of the humans on the planet to die.
How is this not a conspiracy to commit genocide?
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Adolf Oliver Bush on September 15, 2023, 05:52:34 AM
Post by: Adolf Oliver Bush on September 15, 2023, 05:52:34 AM
Quote from: DKG on September 14, 2023, 12:52:57 PMEven George Orwell could not have imagined that.He did envisage chocolate rations, I distinctly remember Winston recalling a childhood memory to that effect in 1984. Granted chocolate isn't meat, but you may also recall in Animal Farm there was rationing there of luxury foods that no animal was supposed to eat, but the pigs always seemed to have an excuse for indulging in.
Quote from: Oerdin on August 31, 2023, 06:51:34 PMDamn... imagine that going off between your legs while you were herbing down the road at a great rate of knots! :crampe:
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on September 15, 2023, 01:49:06 PM
Post by: Oerdin on September 15, 2023, 01:49:06 PM
All these climate cultists do is piss people off.
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1702513860425453997
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1702513860425453997
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oliver the Second on September 15, 2023, 02:31:58 PM
Post by: Oliver the Second on September 15, 2023, 02:31:58 PM
New tool to fight electric vehicle fires comes to the Valley
AVONDALE, AZ — With more and more electric vehicles hitting the road, fire departments are seeing more cases of EV fires, often stemming from the cars' batteries. Several times this year, electric semi-trucks have caught fire in the Phoenix area. It takes hours for firefighters to contain those fires, which is a common theme in EV fires.
"We've been looking for a solution," said Avondale Fire and Medical Department Assistant Chief Justin Ernst. Now the department hopes they've found a solution in the Rosenbauer Battery Extinguishing System Technology (BEST).
The Avondale Fire and Medical Department invited ABC15 to see them test out the technology as part of their pilot program which will bring the technology to the Valley for the first time.
"It's very simple," said Rosenbauer Fire Equipment Sales Engineer Michael Todd. "You see as the firefighters train on this it kind of becomes like a NASCAR pit crew. Everybody's got a position. Everybody's got a job."
The job starts with firefighters getting the equipment in position and setting up the control unit powered by the same air tank already on fire trucks. The BEST unit then slides in under the electric vehicle's battery. Once the hoses are connected and air pressure provided, the firefighting can begin — all with the flip of a switch.
The system will then puncture the battery's shell allowing water to go directly to the fire source.
"In the past what we've seen is fires take 5-7 hours and thousands of gallons of water," Todd told ABC15. "This takes 15-45 minutes, usually closer to 15, and uses about 500 gallons of water."
https://www.abc15.com/news/region-west-valley/avondale/new-tool-to-fight-electric-vehicle-fires-comes-to-the-valley
AVONDALE, AZ — With more and more electric vehicles hitting the road, fire departments are seeing more cases of EV fires, often stemming from the cars' batteries. Several times this year, electric semi-trucks have caught fire in the Phoenix area. It takes hours for firefighters to contain those fires, which is a common theme in EV fires.
"We've been looking for a solution," said Avondale Fire and Medical Department Assistant Chief Justin Ernst. Now the department hopes they've found a solution in the Rosenbauer Battery Extinguishing System Technology (BEST).
The Avondale Fire and Medical Department invited ABC15 to see them test out the technology as part of their pilot program which will bring the technology to the Valley for the first time.
"It's very simple," said Rosenbauer Fire Equipment Sales Engineer Michael Todd. "You see as the firefighters train on this it kind of becomes like a NASCAR pit crew. Everybody's got a position. Everybody's got a job."
The job starts with firefighters getting the equipment in position and setting up the control unit powered by the same air tank already on fire trucks. The BEST unit then slides in under the electric vehicle's battery. Once the hoses are connected and air pressure provided, the firefighting can begin — all with the flip of a switch.
The system will then puncture the battery's shell allowing water to go directly to the fire source.
"In the past what we've seen is fires take 5-7 hours and thousands of gallons of water," Todd told ABC15. "This takes 15-45 minutes, usually closer to 15, and uses about 500 gallons of water."
https://www.abc15.com/news/region-west-valley/avondale/new-tool-to-fight-electric-vehicle-fires-comes-to-the-valley
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Shen Li on September 15, 2023, 02:35:48 PM
Post by: Shen Li on September 15, 2023, 02:35:48 PM
Quote from: Oliver the Second on September 15, 2023, 02:31:58 PMNew tool to fight electric vehicle fires comes to the ValleyKewl!
AVONDALE, AZ — With more and more electric vehicles hitting the road, fire departments are seeing more cases of EV fires, often stemming from the cars' batteries. Several times this year, electric semi-trucks have caught fire in the Phoenix area. It takes hours for firefighters to contain those fires, which is a common theme in EV fires.
"We've been looking for a solution," said Avondale Fire and Medical Department Assistant Chief Justin Ernst. Now the department hopes they've found a solution in the Rosenbauer Battery Extinguishing System Technology (BEST).
The Avondale Fire and Medical Department invited ABC15 to see them test out the technology as part of their pilot program which will bring the technology to the Valley for the first time.
"It's very simple," said Rosenbauer Fire Equipment Sales Engineer Michael Todd. "You see as the firefighters train on this it kind of becomes like a NASCAR pit crew. Everybody's got a position. Everybody's got a job."
The job starts with firefighters getting the equipment in position and setting up the control unit powered by the same air tank already on fire trucks. The BEST unit then slides in under the electric vehicle's battery. Once the hoses are connected and air pressure provided, the firefighting can begin — all with the flip of a switch.
The system will then puncture the battery's shell allowing water to go directly to the fire source.
"In the past what we've seen is fires take 5-7 hours and thousands of gallons of water," Todd told ABC15. "This takes 15-45 minutes, usually closer to 15, and uses about 500 gallons of water."
https://www.abc15.com/news/region-west-valley/avondale/new-tool-to-fight-electric-vehicle-fires-comes-to-the-valley
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on September 27, 2023, 09:10:58 PM
Post by: Oerdin on September 27, 2023, 09:10:58 PM
https://youtu.be/X93MJLiFXg0?si=47XfL-bo2pMoY5Sz
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on September 28, 2023, 11:22:00 AM
Post by: DKG on September 28, 2023, 11:22:00 AM
Trump condemned the Democratic president's electric vehicle mandates, vowing to eliminate them on day one.
"Joe Biden claims to be the most pro-union president in history," said Trump, referring to the octogenarian Democrat who ratified legislation blocking a U.S. railroad strike last year. "His entire career has been an act of economic treason and union destruction."
"To the striking workers, I support you and your goal of fair wages and greater stability, and I truly hope you get a fair deal for yourselves and your families," said Trump. "But if your union leaders will not demand that crooked Joe repeal his electric vehicle mandate immediately, then it doesn't matter what hourly wage you get."
Traditional internal combustion engines, vehicles. You need two major components. That's engine and transmission. Of course, along with the engine and transmission, you have a fuel system and exhaust system that go with it. Those [do not] not exist in the EV. EV has none of them. And in terms of the union and employment, making engine and transmission require a significant amount of the labor to put it together.
Ernst & Young estimated that vehicles with conventional power trains have as many as 2,000 components in their power trains. Tesla's drive train, by way of comparison, reportedly contains only 17 moving parts.
In addition to containing fewer parts, EVs rely on construction techniques that are often more automated, meaning not nearly as many workers will be needed, according to Chen.
Ford and other industry experts prophesied in 2019 that an estimated 30% less labor will be required to build electric cars, reported CNN.
"Joe Biden claims to be the most pro-union president in history," said Trump, referring to the octogenarian Democrat who ratified legislation blocking a U.S. railroad strike last year. "His entire career has been an act of economic treason and union destruction."
"To the striking workers, I support you and your goal of fair wages and greater stability, and I truly hope you get a fair deal for yourselves and your families," said Trump. "But if your union leaders will not demand that crooked Joe repeal his electric vehicle mandate immediately, then it doesn't matter what hourly wage you get."
Traditional internal combustion engines, vehicles. You need two major components. That's engine and transmission. Of course, along with the engine and transmission, you have a fuel system and exhaust system that go with it. Those [do not] not exist in the EV. EV has none of them. And in terms of the union and employment, making engine and transmission require a significant amount of the labor to put it together.
Ernst & Young estimated that vehicles with conventional power trains have as many as 2,000 components in their power trains. Tesla's drive train, by way of comparison, reportedly contains only 17 moving parts.
In addition to containing fewer parts, EVs rely on construction techniques that are often more automated, meaning not nearly as many workers will be needed, according to Chen.
Ford and other industry experts prophesied in 2019 that an estimated 30% less labor will be required to build electric cars, reported CNN.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on September 29, 2023, 12:05:02 AM
Post by: Oerdin on September 29, 2023, 12:05:02 AM
https://youtu.be/LH2UOC2TMng?si=MhYTn1HTkRkGaKdA
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Brent on September 29, 2023, 12:11:49 AM
Post by: Brent on September 29, 2023, 12:11:49 AM
Quote from: Oerdin on September 29, 2023, 12:05:02 AMhttps://youtu.be/LH2UOC2TMng?si=MhYTn1HTkRkGaKdAI see Teslas all over the place. I do not know anybody who owns one.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on September 29, 2023, 02:07:11 AM
Post by: Oerdin on September 29, 2023, 02:07:11 AM
That fire was in their grid scale power packs sold to utility companies. My brother in law has a model Y, they used to have a model 3 but sold it (at a profit) in order to buy his model Y. In my neighborhood there are five Teslas of various models but all of those are owned by people with multiple cars and the Tesla is just an extra car.
Personally, I don't see myself buying an E.V. unless I absolutely have to because I just don't see them being worth it.
Personally, I don't see myself buying an E.V. unless I absolutely have to because I just don't see them being worth it.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on September 29, 2023, 09:02:32 AM
Post by: DKG on September 29, 2023, 09:02:32 AM
Quote from: Oerdin on September 29, 2023, 02:07:11 AMThat fire was in their grid scale power packs sold to utility companies. My brother in law has a model Y, they used to have a model 3 but sold it (at a profit) in order to buy his model Y. In my neighborhood there are five Teslas of various models but all of those are owned by people with multiple cars and the Tesla is just an extra car.I know of people who have electric bikes, but not ev's. What are the grid scale power packs for those of who ignorant how ev's work?
Personally, I don't see myself buying an E.V. unless I absolutely have to because I just don't see them being worth it.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on September 29, 2023, 11:49:24 AM
Post by: Oerdin on September 29, 2023, 11:49:24 AM
They are basically shipping containers with dozens and dozens of car batteries in them which electric companies use to store a few hours of electric power. It is designed to give the electric company time to spowl a speaker plant in the event there is an unexpected demand spike.
The problem is they are very expensive, they don't seem to last very long, and they have the tendency to blow up.
The problem is they are very expensive, they don't seem to last very long, and they have the tendency to blow up.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on September 29, 2023, 12:55:19 PM
Post by: Oerdin on September 29, 2023, 12:55:19 PM
Biden is still busy strangling domestic energy production despite high prices.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-admin-proposes-plan-hold-fewest-offshore-oil-drilling-leases-us-history
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-admin-proposes-plan-hold-fewest-offshore-oil-drilling-leases-us-history
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Brent on September 30, 2023, 11:06:57 PM
Post by: Brent on September 30, 2023, 11:06:57 PM
I let my friends and family know if they buy an electric car and come over for a visit, you can't plug it in at our house while you are here. I wouldn't buy your gas, so why would I pay for your power.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on October 01, 2023, 07:53:46 PM
Post by: Herman on October 01, 2023, 07:53:46 PM
I knew it. The electric vehicle industry means more coal fired electricity. :crampe:
https://www.theblaze.com/news/electric-vehicle-battery-factory-coal-plant-kansas?utm_source=theblaze-dailyPM&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Daily-Newsletter__PM%202023-10-01&utm_term=ACTIVE%20LIST%20-%20TheBlaze%20Daily%20PM
A new electric vehicle battery factory in Kansas will require so much energy that a coal plant slated for closure will now remain open, plus it will be expanded.
Panasonic is building a $4 billion EV battery factory in De Soto, Kansas. The upcoming lithium-ion battery manufacturing facility is expected to start mass production of EV batteries by the end of March 2025.
Despite the massive $4 billion price tag for the 2.7 million square foot Panasonic facility, the Japanese company is "poised to get as much as $6.8 billion from provisions in last year's federal Inflation Reduction Act," according to a July report from the Kansas City Star. The Japanese company is expected to receive state and local incentives – pushing the total financial incentives to as much as $8 billion.
This massive EV battery factory will require enormous amounts of power. So much energy, in fact, that a local coal-fired plant will be expanded and the life of the plant will be extended.
The EV battery factory will reportedly require between 200 and 250 megawatts of electricity to operate – roughly the same amount of power needed for a small city.
https://www.theblaze.com/news/electric-vehicle-battery-factory-coal-plant-kansas?utm_source=theblaze-dailyPM&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Daily-Newsletter__PM%202023-10-01&utm_term=ACTIVE%20LIST%20-%20TheBlaze%20Daily%20PM
A new electric vehicle battery factory in Kansas will require so much energy that a coal plant slated for closure will now remain open, plus it will be expanded.
Panasonic is building a $4 billion EV battery factory in De Soto, Kansas. The upcoming lithium-ion battery manufacturing facility is expected to start mass production of EV batteries by the end of March 2025.
Despite the massive $4 billion price tag for the 2.7 million square foot Panasonic facility, the Japanese company is "poised to get as much as $6.8 billion from provisions in last year's federal Inflation Reduction Act," according to a July report from the Kansas City Star. The Japanese company is expected to receive state and local incentives – pushing the total financial incentives to as much as $8 billion.
This massive EV battery factory will require enormous amounts of power. So much energy, in fact, that a local coal-fired plant will be expanded and the life of the plant will be extended.
The EV battery factory will reportedly require between 200 and 250 megawatts of electricity to operate – roughly the same amount of power needed for a small city.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on October 01, 2023, 09:32:19 PM
Post by: Oerdin on October 01, 2023, 09:32:19 PM
https://youtu.be/Gy-z8S7BLNo?si=3sxepwcY7TVdG-Mk
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Thiel on October 01, 2023, 09:40:14 PM
Post by: Thiel on October 01, 2023, 09:40:14 PM
Quote from: Herman on October 01, 2023, 07:53:46 PMI knew it. The electric vehicle industry means more coal fired electricity. :crampe:If one in five of the world's private cars were electric, it would mean much greater demand for electricity. Wind and solar cannot come close to meeting a fraction of current demand.
https://www.theblaze.com/news/electric-vehicle-battery-factory-coal-plant-kansas?utm_source=theblaze-dailyPM&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Daily-Newsletter__PM%202023-10-01&utm_term=ACTIVE%20LIST%20-%20TheBlaze%20Daily%20PM
A new electric vehicle battery factory in Kansas will require so much energy that a coal plant slated for closure will now remain open, plus it will be expanded.
Panasonic is building a $4 billion EV battery factory in De Soto, Kansas. The upcoming lithium-ion battery manufacturing facility is expected to start mass production of EV batteries by the end of March 2025.
Despite the massive $4 billion price tag for the 2.7 million square foot Panasonic facility, the Japanese company is "poised to get as much as $6.8 billion from provisions in last year's federal Inflation Reduction Act," according to a July report from the Kansas City Star. The Japanese company is expected to receive state and local incentives – pushing the total financial incentives to as much as $8 billion.
This massive EV battery factory will require enormous amounts of power. So much energy, in fact, that a local coal-fired plant will be expanded and the life of the plant will be extended.
The EV battery factory will reportedly require between 200 and 250 megawatts of electricity to operate – roughly the same amount of power needed for a small city.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Adolf Oliver Bush on October 02, 2023, 01:53:27 PM
Post by: Adolf Oliver Bush on October 02, 2023, 01:53:27 PM
Quote from: Thiel on October 01, 2023, 09:40:14 PMIf one in five of the world's private cars were electric, it would mean much greater demand for electricity. Wind and solar cannot come close to meeting a fraction of current demand.Which I imagine is the entire point. You'll be required to remain in your domicile, eating your laboratory approved bugsicles while the government partnered grid harvests the power you already paid for from your car battery. Because net-zero and shit. And climate change, whatever, just shut up and be happy or we'll zero out all your CBDC-bux and send the nice representative from Blackrock around to relocate you into a nice little cardboard box.
I imagine there are those here that would champion their benevolent leaders into such a course of action, along with crying bitterly about the end result when it happens to them.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on October 02, 2023, 02:13:37 PM
Post by: Herman on October 02, 2023, 02:13:37 PM
Quote from: Thiel on October 01, 2023, 09:40:14 PMIf one in five of the world's private cars were electric, it would mean much greater demand for electricity. Wind and solar cannot come close to meeting a fraction of current demand.It is bullshit and they know it.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Biggie Smiles on October 02, 2023, 02:26:25 PM
Post by: Biggie Smiles on October 02, 2023, 02:26:25 PM
Jeez
you'd think they were actively trying to destroy the US with all of this
https://www.vox.com/climate/23893057/power-electricity-grid-heat-wave-record-blackout-outage-climate
Now this is a liberal news source and even they recognize that the US power grid is straining under the current load
so yeah, raise that load by 20-30% by conservative estimates in a year -- what could go wrong?
you'd think they were actively trying to destroy the US with all of this
https://www.vox.com/climate/23893057/power-electricity-grid-heat-wave-record-blackout-outage-climate
Now this is a liberal news source and even they recognize that the US power grid is straining under the current load
so yeah, raise that load by 20-30% by conservative estimates in a year -- what could go wrong?
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oliver the Second on October 10, 2023, 12:58:35 AM
Post by: Oliver the Second on October 10, 2023, 12:58:35 AM
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Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on October 10, 2023, 11:15:32 AM
Post by: DKG on October 10, 2023, 11:15:32 AM
Quote from: Oliver the Second on October 10, 2023, 12:58:35 AM(https://thebluecashew.net/gallery/3421_10_10_23_12_56_37.png):s_laugh:
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on October 10, 2023, 11:07:10 PM
Post by: Oerdin on October 10, 2023, 11:07:10 PM
https://rumble.com/v37wg19-the-true-cost-of-electric-cars-batteries.html
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Thiel on October 10, 2023, 11:21:53 PM
Post by: Thiel on October 10, 2023, 11:21:53 PM
Quote from: Oerdin on October 10, 2023, 11:07:10 PMhttps://rumble.com/v37wg19-the-true-cost-of-electric-cars-batteries.html
[/Quote from: Oerdin on October 10, 2023, 11:07:10 PMThat is true. There is no such thing as a zero emissions vehicle. We can export some emissions.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on October 11, 2023, 12:20:51 AM
Post by: Oerdin on October 11, 2023, 12:20:51 AM
Democrats continue their war on affordable energy trying to impoverish Americans.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/republicans-urge-biden-admin-stop-delaying-major-gas-pipeline-project
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/republicans-urge-biden-admin-stop-delaying-major-gas-pipeline-project
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Thiel on October 11, 2023, 12:32:37 AM
Post by: Thiel on October 11, 2023, 12:32:37 AM
Quote from: Oerdin on October 11, 2023, 12:20:51 AMDemocrats continue their war on affordable energy trying to impoverish Americans.Washington, Oregon, and California are the states affected. They are Democrat controlled. They will try to delay the project until it dies.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/republicans-urge-biden-admin-stop-delaying-major-gas-pipeline-project
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on October 17, 2023, 01:15:41 AM
Post by: Oerdin on October 17, 2023, 01:15:41 AM
Inescapable facts.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/judeclemente/2023/10/15/reality-bites-why-wind-solar-and-electric-car-advocates-must-also-love-fossil-fuels/amp/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/judeclemente/2023/10/15/reality-bites-why-wind-solar-and-electric-car-advocates-must-also-love-fossil-fuels/amp/
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on October 17, 2023, 06:08:49 AM
Post by: DKG on October 17, 2023, 06:08:49 AM
Quote from: Oerdin on October 17, 2023, 01:15:41 AMInescapable facts.This explains why we need to reverse course.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/judeclemente/2023/10/15/reality-bites-why-wind-solar-and-electric-car-advocates-must-also-love-fossil-fuels/amp/
"One could therefore not think of a more inflation encouraging policy than an anti-fossil fuel policy because it increases the cost of our input fuels, especially those policies blocking development of the oil and gas that constitute 65% of America's energy supply."
It is causing inflation and lowering living standards.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on October 18, 2023, 05:33:48 PM
Post by: Oerdin on October 18, 2023, 05:33:48 PM
Half of all E.V. owners say they will be going back to gas powered cars because E.V.s are so limiting and such a pain.
https://electrek.co/2023/10/17/half-of-ev-owners-will-go-back-to-an-ice-vehicle-not-counting-you-tesla-drivers-study/
https://electrek.co/2023/10/17/half-of-ev-owners-will-go-back-to-an-ice-vehicle-not-counting-you-tesla-drivers-study/
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on October 18, 2023, 06:45:20 PM
Post by: Herman on October 18, 2023, 06:45:20 PM
Quote from: Oerdin on October 18, 2023, 05:33:48 PMHalf of all E.V. owners say they will be going back to gas powered cars because E.V.s are so limiting and such a pain.I aint going to have to go back because old Herman aint buying any electric vehicle.
https://electrek.co/2023/10/17/half-of-ev-owners-will-go-back-to-an-ice-vehicle-not-counting-you-tesla-drivers-study/
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on October 18, 2023, 11:25:52 PM
Post by: Oerdin on October 18, 2023, 11:25:52 PM
https://www.the-sun.com/motors/9308830/making-a-1000-mile-journey-in-ev-petrol-better/amp/
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on October 19, 2023, 05:58:14 AM
Post by: DKG on October 19, 2023, 05:58:14 AM
Quote from: Oerdin on October 18, 2023, 11:25:52 PMhttps://www.the-sun.com/motors/9308830/making-a-1000-mile-journey-in-ev-petrol-better/amp/There are lots of examples online of that.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on October 19, 2023, 05:44:57 PM
Post by: Oerdin on October 19, 2023, 05:44:57 PM
Scottish couple gets charged $27,000 to replace battery while under warranty because they drove in the rain. That is right, it rained, and Tasla's design was so bad the battery for the electric car shorted out.
https://youtu.be/pka9KaQh7DA?si=uh1T1UifI_UgWAhe
Ford also does similar stupid shit. Like with an F150 if your tail light goes out the manufacturer's approved solution is to replace the entire light assembly for $1500. These are just bad designs IMHO.
https://youtu.be/pka9KaQh7DA?si=uh1T1UifI_UgWAhe
Ford also does similar stupid shit. Like with an F150 if your tail light goes out the manufacturer's approved solution is to replace the entire light assembly for $1500. These are just bad designs IMHO.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on October 19, 2023, 07:16:14 PM
Post by: DKG on October 19, 2023, 07:16:14 PM
Quote from: Oerdin on October 19, 2023, 05:44:57 PMScottish couple gets charged $27,000 to replace battery while under warranty because they drove in the rain. That is right, it rained, and Tasla's design was so bad the battery for the electric car shorted out.Auto makers have to get these bugs fixed or no subsidy will entice new buyers.
https://youtu.be/pka9KaQh7DA?si=uh1T1UifI_UgWAhe
Ford also does similar stupid shit. Like with an F150 if your tail light goes out the manufacturer's approved solution is to replace the entire light assembly for $1500. These are just bad designs IMHO.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Lokmar on October 19, 2023, 07:31:36 PM
Post by: Lokmar on October 19, 2023, 07:31:36 PM
Quote from: Oerdin on October 19, 2023, 05:44:57 PMScottish couple gets charged $27,000 to replace battery while under warranty because they drove in the rain. That is right, it rained, and Tasla's design was so bad the battery for the electric car shorted out.
https://youtu.be/pka9KaQh7DA?si=uh1T1UifI_UgWAhe
Ford also does similar stupid shit. Like with an F150 if your tail light goes out the manufacturer's approved solution is to replace the entire light assembly for $1500. These are just bad designs IMHO.
I got a message that add blockers are not allowed on youtube! LMFAO! Didnt watch.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on October 20, 2023, 01:01:25 AM
Post by: Oerdin on October 20, 2023, 01:01:25 AM
This is why a used electric vehicle is trash which you should avoid. Due to bad thermo management a used Nissan Leaf only gets 25 miles per charge of range. Granted it is a 12 year old car but that is just trash especially since a new battery costs so much.
https://www.theautopian.com/true-misery-is-combining-americas-woefully-inadequate-ev-infrastructure-with-a-2000-electric-car/
https://www.theautopian.com/true-misery-is-combining-americas-woefully-inadequate-ev-infrastructure-with-a-2000-electric-car/
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on October 20, 2023, 02:15:55 AM
Post by: Herman on October 20, 2023, 02:15:55 AM
Quote from: Oerdin on October 20, 2023, 01:01:25 AMThis is why a used electric vehicle is trash which you should avoid. Due to bad thermo management a used Nissan Leaf only gets 25 miles per charge of range. Granted it is a 12 year old car but that is just trash especially since a new battery costs so much.I wondered about used EV's.
https://www.theautopian.com/true-misery-is-combining-americas-woefully-inadequate-ev-infrastructure-with-a-2000-electric-car/
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on October 21, 2023, 05:09:04 PM
Post by: DKG on October 21, 2023, 05:09:04 PM
There will never be a majority global fleet of private vehicle let alone semis, heavy industrial equipment or planes. The oil and gas sector can do a better job of lowering or eliminating emissions than than electric cars can.
Oilsands can decarbonize on 'fraction' of funding battery makers are getting
The chair of one of Canada's largest companies in the oil patch says the sector can remove a significant amount of carbon from the economy with just a "fraction" of the billions of dollars that Ottawa is spending to build its battery industry.
Alex Pourbaix, executive chair of Cenovus Energy Inc., said Canadian fossil fuel companies are trying to remove 22 megatonnes of carbon dioxide by 2030 by using various technologies such as carbon capture and storage and nuclear energy.
"I can't imagine that any level of battery technology is going to achieve that kind of decarbonization," he said.
Cenovus is part of an organization called Pathways Alliance along with five of the other largest oilsands companies, including Suncor Energy Inc. and Canadian Natural Resources Ltd., and Pourbaix said the government should support the alliance's goals.
"We are asking for a fraction of what the government has already given, as I understand it, to the battery manufacturers," he said. "If the goal here is to remove carbon from the economy at the lowest average cost, then I would suggest the government should take a very, very hard look at continuing to support our industry."
In 2023, Canadian governments signed agreements with battery and car makers such as Stellantis NV, LG Energy Solution Ltd., Volkswagen AG and Northvolt AB to build three battery plants in Canada, with governments offering the companies performance incentives worth billions of dollars in an effort to match incentives provided by the United States.
https://financialpost.com/commodities/energy/oil-gas/cenovus-oilsands-cut-carbon-fraction-battery-funding
Oilsands can decarbonize on 'fraction' of funding battery makers are getting
The chair of one of Canada's largest companies in the oil patch says the sector can remove a significant amount of carbon from the economy with just a "fraction" of the billions of dollars that Ottawa is spending to build its battery industry.
Alex Pourbaix, executive chair of Cenovus Energy Inc., said Canadian fossil fuel companies are trying to remove 22 megatonnes of carbon dioxide by 2030 by using various technologies such as carbon capture and storage and nuclear energy.
"I can't imagine that any level of battery technology is going to achieve that kind of decarbonization," he said.
Cenovus is part of an organization called Pathways Alliance along with five of the other largest oilsands companies, including Suncor Energy Inc. and Canadian Natural Resources Ltd., and Pourbaix said the government should support the alliance's goals.
"We are asking for a fraction of what the government has already given, as I understand it, to the battery manufacturers," he said. "If the goal here is to remove carbon from the economy at the lowest average cost, then I would suggest the government should take a very, very hard look at continuing to support our industry."
In 2023, Canadian governments signed agreements with battery and car makers such as Stellantis NV, LG Energy Solution Ltd., Volkswagen AG and Northvolt AB to build three battery plants in Canada, with governments offering the companies performance incentives worth billions of dollars in an effort to match incentives provided by the United States.
https://financialpost.com/commodities/energy/oil-gas/cenovus-oilsands-cut-carbon-fraction-battery-funding
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on October 21, 2023, 05:19:14 PM
Post by: Oerdin on October 21, 2023, 05:19:14 PM
Poor lady. She was having her regular gas powered car being serviced under warranty by the dealership and the dealer gave her an EV as a loaner car to drive until her car was fixed. She went home, parked it in her garage, then the EV battery caught on fire and burned her whole house down.
https://www.the-sun.com/motors/9372114/ev-fire-mercedes-florida-home-destroyed/amp/
https://www.the-sun.com/motors/9372114/ev-fire-mercedes-florida-home-destroyed/amp/
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on October 24, 2023, 10:45:28 PM
Post by: Oerdin on October 24, 2023, 10:45:28 PM
https://youtu.be/Trr2N1od8T8?si=Wc2Kfw46IQT2Efz2
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Thiel on October 24, 2023, 11:45:27 PM
Post by: Thiel on October 24, 2023, 11:45:27 PM
Before climate science became politicized, historians called warm periods "climate optima" because Earth's ecosystems and humanity benefited from the blessed warmth. Conversely, during cold periods, the human condition declined. There is a strong correlation between the rise and fall of temperature and the fortunes of great civilizations.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Thiel on October 27, 2023, 10:57:25 PM
Post by: Thiel on October 27, 2023, 10:57:25 PM
Click on this link if you want to read how the switch from horses for transportation and agriculture to cars and tractors restored New England's forests.
https://humanprogress.org/how-the-car-helped-restore-new-englands-forests/
https://humanprogress.org/how-the-car-helped-restore-new-englands-forests/
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on October 30, 2023, 11:39:21 AM
Post by: Oerdin on October 30, 2023, 11:39:21 AM
An interesting read.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on October 30, 2023, 12:50:54 PM
Post by: DKG on October 30, 2023, 12:50:54 PM
Quote from: Oerdin on October 30, 2023, 11:39:21 AMAn interesting read.indeed
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on November 01, 2023, 01:05:36 AM
Post by: Oerdin on November 01, 2023, 01:05:36 AM
Imagine spending all that money to get a home battery backup only to have it explode and destroy your house.
https://www.pv-magazine.com/2023/10/30/cause-of-30-kwh-battery-explosion-in-germany-remains-unclear/
https://www.pv-magazine.com/2023/10/30/cause-of-30-kwh-battery-explosion-in-germany-remains-unclear/
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on November 01, 2023, 04:36:49 AM
Post by: Herman on November 01, 2023, 04:36:49 AM
Quote from: Oerdin on November 01, 2023, 01:05:36 AMImagine spending all that money to get a home battery backup only to have it explode and destroy your house.No, I could not because I will not be installing one.
https://www.pv-magazine.com/2023/10/30/cause-of-30-kwh-battery-explosion-in-germany-remains-unclear/
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on November 01, 2023, 11:44:19 AM
Post by: Oerdin on November 01, 2023, 11:44:19 AM
I admit, I have considered it most recently when I had my solar panels installed 3arlier this year. Electricity is just so expensive here in San Diego and it is not uncommon for a family of four in a regular house without a pool or anything to see $400 SDG&E bills. Our water rates are the highest in the country too.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Lokmar on November 01, 2023, 11:55:47 AM
Post by: Lokmar on November 01, 2023, 11:55:47 AM
Quote from: Oerdin on November 01, 2023, 01:05:36 AMImagine spending all that money to get a home battery backup only to have it explode and destroy your house.
https://www.pv-magazine.com/2023/10/30/cause-of-30-kwh-battery-explosion-in-germany-remains-unclear/
Shitty chank batteries coupled with a lack of ventilation.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on November 01, 2023, 09:55:28 PM
Post by: Oerdin on November 01, 2023, 09:55:28 PM
The problems with EVs.
https://youtu.be/YqVPbJ-V4eg?si=3VAcHPnvpt0iTQFU
https://youtu.be/YqVPbJ-V4eg?si=3VAcHPnvpt0iTQFU
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on November 01, 2023, 09:59:31 PM
Post by: DKG on November 01, 2023, 09:59:31 PM
Quote from: Oerdin on November 01, 2023, 09:55:28 PMThe problems with EVs.I will watch this.
https://youtu.be/YqVPbJ-V4eg?si=3VAcHPnvpt0iTQFU
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on November 02, 2023, 08:20:30 AM
Post by: Oerdin on November 02, 2023, 08:20:30 AM
https://youtu.be/8P95NFlAnmY?si=Evl4GeOz6ctxnIns
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on November 03, 2023, 02:05:58 PM
Post by: Oerdin on November 03, 2023, 02:05:58 PM
https://youtube.com/shorts/wTpL0E_Kn5I?si=f2HeXXPEpS_q56OL
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on November 04, 2023, 05:44:05 PM
Post by: Oerdin on November 04, 2023, 05:44:05 PM
He really regrets buying a Ford EV. It lost half of its value in just two years and it sucks.
https://youtu.be/8v-NM6vlcnU?si=zLkzH0l2zVUuWMg3
https://youtu.be/8v-NM6vlcnU?si=zLkzH0l2zVUuWMg3
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on November 05, 2023, 01:52:46 PM
Post by: Oerdin on November 05, 2023, 01:52:46 PM
Wow, just 11:30 at night and a line of 25 cars waiting to use the car charger where each car takes several hours. No, thank you!
https://youtu.be/n1XeSlcuz2U?si=21S91np31zAUGlwt
I will have a gas powered car which has thousands of gas stations to choose from and it only takes 5 minutes to fill my tank. That is before cold temperatures take a huge hit on the battery. Seriously, a regular tank of gas can keep a car ideoling for almost three days so if you are stuck in cold weather, well, I want the heater blowing from the ICE vehicle and not the EV which has the heater stop after just 4 hours.
https://youtu.be/n1XeSlcuz2U?si=21S91np31zAUGlwt
I will have a gas powered car which has thousands of gas stations to choose from and it only takes 5 minutes to fill my tank. That is before cold temperatures take a huge hit on the battery. Seriously, a regular tank of gas can keep a car ideoling for almost three days so if you are stuck in cold weather, well, I want the heater blowing from the ICE vehicle and not the EV which has the heater stop after just 4 hours.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on November 05, 2023, 05:04:59 PM
Post by: DKG on November 05, 2023, 05:04:59 PM
Quote from: Oerdin on November 05, 2023, 01:52:46 PMWow, just 11:30 at night and a line of 25 cars waiting to use the car charger where each car takes several hours. No, thank you!A three to four day wait to recharge. No thank you.
https://youtu.be/n1XeSlcuz2U?si=21S91np31zAUGlwt
I will have a gas powered car which has thousands of gas stations to choose from and it only takes 5 minutes to fill my tank. That is before cold temperatures take a huge hit on the battery. Seriously, a regular tank of gas can keep a car ideoling for almost three days so if you are stuck in cold weather, well, I want the heater blowing from the ICE vehicle and not the EV which has the heater stop after just 4 hours.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on November 06, 2023, 10:48:46 PM
Post by: Oerdin on November 06, 2023, 10:48:46 PM
https://youtu.be/8_zydDqTAzM?si=xx3Ojz0sULieKedb
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on November 06, 2023, 11:24:34 PM
Post by: Oerdin on November 06, 2023, 11:24:34 PM
https://youtu.be/K_J_L5s5dK4?si=VblNDoyb-h7wMoWY
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Brent on November 09, 2023, 04:41:15 PM
Post by: Brent on November 09, 2023, 04:41:15 PM
Wyoming used to have one of the lowest electricity rates in the States thanks to it's abundance of coal. But, their establishment Republican governor's obsession with forcing wind and solar onto the grid, electricity costs have skyrocketed 30 percent this year.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Thiel on November 13, 2023, 07:20:17 PM
Post by: Thiel on November 13, 2023, 07:20:17 PM
Luxury electric vehicle manufacturer Lucid Motors has posted massive losses while reportedly losing over $225,000 per sold car.
According to the company's latest quarterly earnings release, the market has not responded well to its products. Lucid listed a $630.9 million net less for the quarter, stemming from remarkable overhead costs.
According to the company's latest quarterly earnings release, the market has not responded well to its products. Lucid listed a $630.9 million net less for the quarter, stemming from remarkable overhead costs.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on November 14, 2023, 09:27:04 AM
Post by: Oerdin on November 14, 2023, 09:27:04 AM
I doubt Lucid is going to survive.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on November 14, 2023, 09:38:21 AM
Post by: DKG on November 14, 2023, 09:38:21 AM
Not the way they are going.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Brent on November 21, 2023, 02:40:28 PM
Post by: Brent on November 21, 2023, 02:40:28 PM
It is a myth that electric cars are environmentally better than internal combustion engine cars. It is also a myth that they produce significantly fewer carbon emissions over their lifetimes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LMeqKJQSSc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LMeqKJQSSc
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Shen Li on November 23, 2023, 01:21:18 PM
Post by: Shen Li on November 23, 2023, 01:21:18 PM
More than half of Edmonton's $60-million electric bus fleet is not roadworthy. Meanwhile the libtards at city hall are raising property taxes 5.7% this year so they can buy more crappy electric buses and build more bike lanes for one of the coldest major cities in the world.
https://edmontonjournal.com/news/local-news/more-than-half-of-edmontons-60-million-electric-bus-fleet-not-roadworthy
Do you see why I want the fuck out of Canada.
https://edmontonjournal.com/news/local-news/more-than-half-of-edmontons-60-million-electric-bus-fleet-not-roadworthy
Do you see why I want the fuck out of Canada.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on November 23, 2023, 02:54:57 PM
Post by: Oerdin on November 23, 2023, 02:54:57 PM
Showing that California Democrats really don't care about climate change as they claimed the California Public Utility Commission slashed the rates utilities will have to credit apartment building owners, commercial building owners, government buildings, etc... By 80%.
https://youtu.be/LIB6bhrSlqM?si=JUIrAVtVyVYHpDnw
https://youtu.be/LIB6bhrSlqM?si=JUIrAVtVyVYHpDnw
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on November 24, 2023, 12:52:00 AM
Post by: Herman on November 24, 2023, 12:52:00 AM
Keep one figure in mind — $16 billion. That's the total amount of economic activity generated by the entire Canadian auto industry every year.
With that number in mind, it's bad enough that the Justin Trudeau government has agreed to pump nearly $15 billion into an EV battery plant near Windsor. Trudeau is putting up an amount of taxpayer money nearly equal to the entire output of Canada's auto sector just so Stellantis, the parent company of Chrysler, and Korean electronics giant LG Energy Solutions will build one plant (worth maybe $7 billion) in a region vital to Liberal re-election hopes.
One plant getting subsidies worth twice its value and nearly equal to the amount generated by the entire auto-making industry.
To make things even worse, LG's NextStar factory in Windsor is just one of three EV battery plants that will cost Ottawa more than $40 billion and Ontario and Quebec taxpayers another $10 billion.
But, of course, what makes this triply bad is the fact that after throwing $15 billion at the NextStar plant, the federal Liberals gave LG Energy permission to bring in 1,600 of the plant's 2,500 workers from South Korea, leaving only about 900 jobs for Canadians, at least initially.
Which brings me to "Just Transition."
Remember that little Liberal gem? As workers in old-fashioned fossil-fuel industries, such as oil and gas, and internal combustion engine vehicle assembly lost their well-paying jobs thanks to federal regulations, they would be retrained for well-paying jobs in the new "green" economy.
Yet instead of training Canadians to fill the job postings at NextStar, the Libs are just giving into the easy solution — bring in a bunch of foreign workers who are already trained.
With that number in mind, it's bad enough that the Justin Trudeau government has agreed to pump nearly $15 billion into an EV battery plant near Windsor. Trudeau is putting up an amount of taxpayer money nearly equal to the entire output of Canada's auto sector just so Stellantis, the parent company of Chrysler, and Korean electronics giant LG Energy Solutions will build one plant (worth maybe $7 billion) in a region vital to Liberal re-election hopes.
One plant getting subsidies worth twice its value and nearly equal to the amount generated by the entire auto-making industry.
To make things even worse, LG's NextStar factory in Windsor is just one of three EV battery plants that will cost Ottawa more than $40 billion and Ontario and Quebec taxpayers another $10 billion.
But, of course, what makes this triply bad is the fact that after throwing $15 billion at the NextStar plant, the federal Liberals gave LG Energy permission to bring in 1,600 of the plant's 2,500 workers from South Korea, leaving only about 900 jobs for Canadians, at least initially.
Which brings me to "Just Transition."
Remember that little Liberal gem? As workers in old-fashioned fossil-fuel industries, such as oil and gas, and internal combustion engine vehicle assembly lost their well-paying jobs thanks to federal regulations, they would be retrained for well-paying jobs in the new "green" economy.
Yet instead of training Canadians to fill the job postings at NextStar, the Libs are just giving into the easy solution — bring in a bunch of foreign workers who are already trained.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on December 02, 2023, 12:42:50 PM
Post by: Oerdin on December 02, 2023, 12:42:50 PM
This project shows why housing prices are out of control in California. Solano County is on the northern edge of the California Delta and it is mostly rural farmland. Investors want to build a dense walkable city to improve the economy and to provide affordable housing but no one ever wants anything built near where they are. Worse, the 1970's era California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA) always any special interest to sue over anything they want. This often just means special interests like unions block everything unless developers give them exclusive extortionist contracts, NIMBIES tie things up just because they can, politicians file lawsuits just to demand bribes/"campaign donations", etc...
That is why even if this proposed project is ever built it will be vastly more expensive and it will take 10-20 years before it ever gets started.
https://fortune.com/2023/11/30/california-forever-tech-city-heckle-billionaires-central-valley-flannery-associates/amp/
That is why even if this proposed project is ever built it will be vastly more expensive and it will take 10-20 years before it ever gets started.
https://fortune.com/2023/11/30/california-forever-tech-city-heckle-billionaires-central-valley-flannery-associates/amp/
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Thiel on December 04, 2023, 07:28:15 PM
Post by: Thiel on December 04, 2023, 07:28:15 PM
The number of Germans not being able to heat their houses properly has already doubled since 2021. This is partially due to their overreliance on Russia for natural gas, but also trying to get reliable power from unreliable sources like wind and solar.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oliver the Second on December 06, 2023, 06:01:43 PM
Post by: Oliver the Second on December 06, 2023, 06:01:43 PM
Nearly 4,000 Auto Dealers Send Letter To President Biden To Slow Down On EVs
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The race to electric vehicles isn't one that just consumers are wary about. So, too, are auto dealers. This week, nearly 4,000 dealerships from across the country called on President Joe Biden to slow down electric vehicle (EV) mandates proposed by the federal government.
Their letter to the President states, in part, "Your Administration has proposed regulations that would essentially mandate a dramatic shift to battery electric vehicles (BEVs), increasing year after year until 2032, when two out of every three vehicles sold in America would have to be battery electric."
The group of 3,882 auto dealers goes on to cite concerns about lack of EV demand, saying enthusiasm for EVs "has stalled" and that "BEVs are stacking up on our lots".
https://www.carpro.com/blog/nearly-4000-auto-dealers-send-letter-to-president-biden-to-slow-down-on-evs
(https://media1.giphy.com/media/l2JdYOpq0kHwc6K88/giphy.gif)
The race to electric vehicles isn't one that just consumers are wary about. So, too, are auto dealers. This week, nearly 4,000 dealerships from across the country called on President Joe Biden to slow down electric vehicle (EV) mandates proposed by the federal government.
Their letter to the President states, in part, "Your Administration has proposed regulations that would essentially mandate a dramatic shift to battery electric vehicles (BEVs), increasing year after year until 2032, when two out of every three vehicles sold in America would have to be battery electric."
The group of 3,882 auto dealers goes on to cite concerns about lack of EV demand, saying enthusiasm for EVs "has stalled" and that "BEVs are stacking up on our lots".
https://www.carpro.com/blog/nearly-4000-auto-dealers-send-letter-to-president-biden-to-slow-down-on-evs
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Thiel on December 06, 2023, 08:01:25 PM
Post by: Thiel on December 06, 2023, 08:01:25 PM
Quote from: Oliver the Second on December 06, 2023, 06:01:43 PMNearly 4,000 Auto Dealers Send Letter To President Biden To Slow Down On EVsA transition from anything has to be market driven. It cannot be mandated. It can be, but it will be a disaster.
(https://media1.giphy.com/media/l2JdYOpq0kHwc6K88/giphy.gif)
The race to electric vehicles isn't one that just consumers are wary about. So, too, are auto dealers. This week, nearly 4,000 dealerships from across the country called on President Joe Biden to slow down electric vehicle (EV) mandates proposed by the federal government.
Their letter to the President states, in part, "Your Administration has proposed regulations that would essentially mandate a dramatic shift to battery electric vehicles (BEVs), increasing year after year until 2032, when two out of every three vehicles sold in America would have to be battery electric."
The group of 3,882 auto dealers goes on to cite concerns about lack of EV demand, saying enthusiasm for EVs "has stalled" and that "BEVs are stacking up on our lots".
https://www.carpro.com/blog/nearly-4000-auto-dealers-send-letter-to-president-biden-to-slow-down-on-evs
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Thiel on December 08, 2023, 07:27:48 PM
Post by: Thiel on December 08, 2023, 07:27:48 PM
The surge in renewables has not been enough to displace fossil fuels. Global carbon dioxide emissions from fossil fuels are expected to rise by 1.1 percent in 2023, according to the analysis from the Global Carbon Project.
Fossil fuels also keep growing to record highs, said Glen Peters, a senior researcher at the Cicero Center for International Climate Research in Oslo who co-wrote the new analysis.
The growth in emissions comes largely from India and China — which continue to burn large amounts of coal as their citizens use more electricity — and from increases in flying and international shipping. Emissions from aviation, which have been returning to normal levels since the coronavirus pandemic, are projected to grow by a gigantic 28 percent in 2023.
Fossil fuels also keep growing to record highs, said Glen Peters, a senior researcher at the Cicero Center for International Climate Research in Oslo who co-wrote the new analysis.
The growth in emissions comes largely from India and China — which continue to burn large amounts of coal as their citizens use more electricity — and from increases in flying and international shipping. Emissions from aviation, which have been returning to normal levels since the coronavirus pandemic, are projected to grow by a gigantic 28 percent in 2023.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Frood on December 08, 2023, 08:14:53 PM
Post by: Frood on December 08, 2023, 08:14:53 PM
Quote from: Thiel on December 08, 2023, 07:27:48 PMThe surge in renewables has not been enough to displace fossil fuels. Global carbon dioxide emissions from fossil fuels are expected to rise by 1.1 percent in 2023, according to the analysis from the Global Carbon Project.
Fossil fuels also keep growing to record highs, said Glen Peters, a senior researcher at the Cicero Center for International Climate Research in Oslo who co-wrote the new analysis.
The growth in emissions comes largely from India and China — which continue to burn large amounts of coal as their citizens use more electricity — and from increases in flying and international shipping. Emissions from aviation, which have been returning to normal levels since the coronavirus pandemic, are projected to grow by a gigantic 28 percent in 2023.
Renewables aren't renewable. They require fossil fuels.
Renewables are a global death cult movement...
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Thiel on December 08, 2023, 08:23:14 PM
Post by: Thiel on December 08, 2023, 08:23:14 PM
Quote from: Frood on December 08, 2023, 08:14:53 PMRenewables aren't renewable. They require fossil fuels.Calling wind or solar renewable is blatantly deceitful.
Renewables are a global death cult movement...
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Frood on December 08, 2023, 08:25:26 PM
Post by: Frood on December 08, 2023, 08:25:26 PM
Quote from: Thiel on December 08, 2023, 08:23:14 PMCalling wind or solar renewable is blatantly deceitful.
I hope so called greenies get Ebola and die.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Adolf Oliver Bush on December 08, 2023, 09:40:23 PM
Post by: Adolf Oliver Bush on December 08, 2023, 09:40:23 PM
Quote from: Thiel on December 06, 2023, 08:01:25 PMA transition from anything has to be market driven. It cannot be mandated. It can be, but it will be a disaster.You do know they want to limit your mobility, right? I'd put it to you that everything is going exactly to their plan.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on December 08, 2023, 09:41:58 PM
Post by: Herman on December 08, 2023, 09:41:58 PM
Quote from: Adolf Oliver Bush on December 08, 2023, 09:40:23 PMYou do know they want to limit your mobility, right? I'd put it to you that everything is going exactly to their plan.I would say old Joe's sugar daddy knows that.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Adolf Oliver Bush on December 08, 2023, 09:46:19 PM
Post by: Adolf Oliver Bush on December 08, 2023, 09:46:19 PM
Quote from: Herman on December 08, 2023, 09:41:58 PMI would say old Joe's sugar daddy knows that.Oh well, more sweaty canoodlings for them both after lights out. Which given how erratic the energy grid is becoming means four or five times a day, minimum.
Glass half full.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on December 09, 2023, 12:30:19 PM
Post by: DKG on December 09, 2023, 12:30:19 PM
Residents of Manteno, Illinois were outraged when they found out local and state officials had finalized a deal with a Chinese Communist Party-linked company to construct an electric vehicle battery "gigafactory" in their town.
The multi-billion dollar deal, which Democratic Illinois Gov. J.B. Pritzker announced on Sept. 8, was hashed out behind closed doors and without any public input.
Gotion received a $536 million incentive package from state and local governments to move to the Manteno area, as well as a property tax abatement from Kankakee County over the next 30 years, the government agreements show.
The multi-billion dollar deal, which Democratic Illinois Gov. J.B. Pritzker announced on Sept. 8, was hashed out behind closed doors and without any public input.
Gotion received a $536 million incentive package from state and local governments to move to the Manteno area, as well as a property tax abatement from Kankakee County over the next 30 years, the government agreements show.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oliver the Second on December 10, 2023, 09:19:35 AM
Post by: Oliver the Second on December 10, 2023, 09:19:35 AM
Electric trains are the future for green freight but costs are forcing firms back to diesel
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Alongside reducing congestion for drivers, rail haulage is much more climate-friendly - cutting carbon emissions by around three quarters compared to road, and even more if the trains are electric.
But here's the problem - electricity is so expensive compared to diesel that operators are going back to fossil fueled locomotives.
In August this year, rail freight operator DB Cargo UK announced the permanent retirement of its electric fleet. Freightliner UK also had to temporarily sideline electric trains earlier this year.
Tim Shoveller, CEO of Freightliner UK says: "We had to put diesel back on because of the price of electricity. It was costing us over one thousand pounds extra per train and was simply not viable."
He stated he would like to see a cap on electricity prices for freight trains that stops them rising above diesel. The government says it is not planning to cap electricity costs for rail freight but points to grants offered to seaports to incentivize shipping towards more rail and less road.
https://news.sky.com/story/electric-trains-are-the-future-for-green-freight-but-costs-are-forcing-firms-back-to-diesel-13026338
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Alongside reducing congestion for drivers, rail haulage is much more climate-friendly - cutting carbon emissions by around three quarters compared to road, and even more if the trains are electric.
But here's the problem - electricity is so expensive compared to diesel that operators are going back to fossil fueled locomotives.
In August this year, rail freight operator DB Cargo UK announced the permanent retirement of its electric fleet. Freightliner UK also had to temporarily sideline electric trains earlier this year.
Tim Shoveller, CEO of Freightliner UK says: "We had to put diesel back on because of the price of electricity. It was costing us over one thousand pounds extra per train and was simply not viable."
He stated he would like to see a cap on electricity prices for freight trains that stops them rising above diesel. The government says it is not planning to cap electricity costs for rail freight but points to grants offered to seaports to incentivize shipping towards more rail and less road.
https://news.sky.com/story/electric-trains-are-the-future-for-green-freight-but-costs-are-forcing-firms-back-to-diesel-13026338
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on December 10, 2023, 10:41:28 AM
Post by: DKG on December 10, 2023, 10:41:28 AM
Quote from: Oliver the Second on December 10, 2023, 09:19:35 AMElectric trains are the future for green freight but costs are forcing firms back to dieselElectrifying transportation cannot work. We do not have the rare earth resources or the power capacity requirements. And we will not even be able to meet current demand with diffuse sources like wind and solar. They are a leftist fantasy and nothing more.
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Alongside reducing congestion for drivers, rail haulage is much more climate-friendly - cutting carbon emissions by around three quarters compared to road, and even more if the trains are electric.
But here's the problem - electricity is so expensive compared to diesel that operators are going back to fossil fueled locomotives.
In August this year, rail freight operator DB Cargo UK announced the permanent retirement of its electric fleet. Freightliner UK also had to temporarily sideline electric trains earlier this year.
Tim Shoveller, CEO of Freightliner UK says: "We had to put diesel back on because of the price of electricity. It was costing us over one thousand pounds extra per train and was simply not viable."
He stated he would like to see a cap on electricity prices for freight trains that stops them rising above diesel. The government says it is not planning to cap electricity costs for rail freight but points to grants offered to seaports to incentivize shipping towards more rail and less road.
https://news.sky.com/story/electric-trains-are-the-future-for-green-freight-but-costs-are-forcing-firms-back-to-diesel-13026338
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Adolf Oliver Bush on December 12, 2023, 07:43:17 AM
Post by: Adolf Oliver Bush on December 12, 2023, 07:43:17 AM
Quote from: Oliver the Second on December 10, 2023, 09:19:35 AMHe stated he would like to see a cap on electricity prices for freight trains that stops them rising above diesel.Translation: "we'll ratchet up the electricity costs to the consumer so the gubbnint can has cheep NRG for us, YAY!"
Fucking criminals. May all their children be born with little dicks. And that includes the girls.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on December 12, 2023, 10:35:58 PM
Post by: Oerdin on December 12, 2023, 10:35:58 PM
A really great interview.
https://youtu.be/Ip5P_FIyfTo?si=FOMWIWomXJN94LIx
https://youtu.be/Ip5P_FIyfTo?si=FOMWIWomXJN94LIx
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oliver the Second on December 13, 2023, 05:24:39 PM
Post by: Oliver the Second on December 13, 2023, 05:24:39 PM
Tesla recalls 2 million vehicles over autopilot safety issue
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Tesla will recall about 2 million cars over a safety issue tied to its autopilot system, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said on Wednesday.
The company's autopilot system may put drivers at greater risk of an accident in certain situations, the NHTSA added.
The electric automaker will release a software update for the vehicles impacted next February, the agency said.
Tesla posted a message on X on Monday -- two days before the announced recall -- in response to safety concerns centered on its autopilot system.
"We at Tesla believe that we have a moral obligation to continue improving our already best-in-class safety systems," the company said. "At the same time, we also believe it is morally indefensible not to make these systems available to a wider set of consumers, given the incontrovertible data that shows it is saving lives and preventing injury."
https://www.abc15.com/news/national/tesla-recalls-2-million-vehicles-over-autopilot-safety-issue-government-agency-says
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Tesla will recall about 2 million cars over a safety issue tied to its autopilot system, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said on Wednesday.
The company's autopilot system may put drivers at greater risk of an accident in certain situations, the NHTSA added.
The electric automaker will release a software update for the vehicles impacted next February, the agency said.
Tesla posted a message on X on Monday -- two days before the announced recall -- in response to safety concerns centered on its autopilot system.
"We at Tesla believe that we have a moral obligation to continue improving our already best-in-class safety systems," the company said. "At the same time, we also believe it is morally indefensible not to make these systems available to a wider set of consumers, given the incontrovertible data that shows it is saving lives and preventing injury."
https://www.abc15.com/news/national/tesla-recalls-2-million-vehicles-over-autopilot-safety-issue-government-agency-says
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on December 13, 2023, 06:48:03 PM
Post by: Oerdin on December 13, 2023, 06:48:03 PM
No, they did not. There has been no recall. All they did was offer a free software update just like they routinely do. So you notice how the media tries to lie and pretend that is some how a recall? It is because the left wants to attack Elon Musk and nothing else
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oliver the Second on December 14, 2023, 05:02:25 PM
Post by: Oliver the Second on December 14, 2023, 05:02:25 PM
Quote from: Oerdin on December 13, 2023, 06:48:03 PMNo, they did not. There has been no recall. All they did was offer a free software update just like they routinely do. So you notice how the media tries to lie and pretend that is some how a recall? It is because the left wants to attack Elon Musk and nothing else
Could be! I had to take my Ford in for a software update and I didn't even know about it until I went to get a smog check and they told me. It wasn't even on the news much less being referred to as a recall.
But we all know what they say about the mainstream media...
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Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oliver the Second on December 20, 2023, 07:06:29 PM
Post by: Oliver the Second on December 20, 2023, 07:06:29 PM
Fire Shuts Down GM's Electric Car Plant, Executives Blame 'Battery Materials'
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General Motors' (GM) "Factory Zero" plant was temporarily shut down after a fire broke out. The plant produces Electric Vehicles (EVs), which have a history of catching fire, though GM executives said "battery materials" were the cause.
Factory Zero, also known as Detroit-Hamtramck Assembly, has been celebrated by President Joe Biden's administration for its all-electric production. On Tuesday, the plant closed after a fire filled the plant with heavy smoke.
By Wednesday, GM executives blamed the fire on a forklift accident and said the plant was up and running, though portions remained closed, according to the Detroit Free Press:
"Our initial investigation indicates a forklift accidentally punctured a container with battery materials causing the fire," said GM spokeswoman Tara Kuhnen. "The investigation continues."
https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2023/12/20/fire-shuts-down-gms-electric-car-plant-executives-blame-battery-materials/
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General Motors' (GM) "Factory Zero" plant was temporarily shut down after a fire broke out. The plant produces Electric Vehicles (EVs), which have a history of catching fire, though GM executives said "battery materials" were the cause.
Factory Zero, also known as Detroit-Hamtramck Assembly, has been celebrated by President Joe Biden's administration for its all-electric production. On Tuesday, the plant closed after a fire filled the plant with heavy smoke.
By Wednesday, GM executives blamed the fire on a forklift accident and said the plant was up and running, though portions remained closed, according to the Detroit Free Press:
"Our initial investigation indicates a forklift accidentally punctured a container with battery materials causing the fire," said GM spokeswoman Tara Kuhnen. "The investigation continues."
https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2023/12/20/fire-shuts-down-gms-electric-car-plant-executives-blame-battery-materials/
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Thiel on December 20, 2023, 08:38:30 PM
Post by: Thiel on December 20, 2023, 08:38:30 PM
Quote from: Oliver the Second on December 20, 2023, 07:06:29 PMFire Shuts Down GM's Electric Car Plant, Executives Blame 'Battery Materials'Were ev batteries burning or was it something else?
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General Motors' (GM) "Factory Zero" plant was temporarily shut down after a fire broke out. The plant produces Electric Vehicles (EVs), which have a history of catching fire, though GM executives said "battery materials" were the cause.
Factory Zero, also known as Detroit-Hamtramck Assembly, has been celebrated by President Joe Biden's administration for its all-electric production. On Tuesday, the plant closed after a fire filled the plant with heavy smoke.
By Wednesday, GM executives blamed the fire on a forklift accident and said the plant was up and running, though portions remained closed, according to the Detroit Free Press:
"Our initial investigation indicates a forklift accidentally punctured a container with battery materials causing the fire," said GM spokeswoman Tara Kuhnen. "The investigation continues."
https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2023/12/20/fire-shuts-down-gms-electric-car-plant-executives-blame-battery-materials/
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oliver the Second on December 21, 2023, 08:10:26 AM
Post by: Oliver the Second on December 21, 2023, 08:10:26 AM
Half of Buick Dealers Take Buyouts to Avoid Having to Sell GM's Electric Cars
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Almost half of Buick dealers across the United States have opted to take buyouts from General Motors to avoid having to sell Electric Vehicles at a time when consumer reports show Americans are increasingly turned off by the cars.
According to GM, almost 1,000 of its nearly 2,000 Buick dealerships across the U.S. chose to take buyouts from the parent company rather than investing potentially millions into retooling and prepping dealers to service and sell EVs.
The buyouts mean that GM will now have just about 1,000 Buick dealerships across the nation as the automaker moves forward with adhering to President Joe Biden's green energy agenda.
Dealers who are taking the buyout would give up the Buick franchise and no longer sell the brand. The dealer can continue to sell other GM models, such as Chevrolet or GMC, that often account for a higher percentage of sales.
The Journal reported in late 2022 that the automaker planned to offer buyouts to its U.S. Buick dealer network. The move came after the Detroit automaker gave them a choice: Invest at least $300,000 to sell and service EVs, or exit the Buick franchise. The investments would cover electric-vehicle chargers and worker training, among other initiatives.
https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2023/12/20/half-of-buick-dealers-take-buyouts-to-avoid-having-to-sell-gms-electric-cars/
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Almost half of Buick dealers across the United States have opted to take buyouts from General Motors to avoid having to sell Electric Vehicles at a time when consumer reports show Americans are increasingly turned off by the cars.
According to GM, almost 1,000 of its nearly 2,000 Buick dealerships across the U.S. chose to take buyouts from the parent company rather than investing potentially millions into retooling and prepping dealers to service and sell EVs.
The buyouts mean that GM will now have just about 1,000 Buick dealerships across the nation as the automaker moves forward with adhering to President Joe Biden's green energy agenda.
Dealers who are taking the buyout would give up the Buick franchise and no longer sell the brand. The dealer can continue to sell other GM models, such as Chevrolet or GMC, that often account for a higher percentage of sales.
The Journal reported in late 2022 that the automaker planned to offer buyouts to its U.S. Buick dealer network. The move came after the Detroit automaker gave them a choice: Invest at least $300,000 to sell and service EVs, or exit the Buick franchise. The investments would cover electric-vehicle chargers and worker training, among other initiatives.
https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2023/12/20/half-of-buick-dealers-take-buyouts-to-avoid-having-to-sell-gms-electric-cars/
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oliver the Second on December 21, 2023, 08:15:06 AM
Post by: Oliver the Second on December 21, 2023, 08:15:06 AM
Quote from: Thiel on December 20, 2023, 08:38:30 PMWere ev batteries burning or was it something else?
"Our initial investigation indicates a forklift accidentally punctured a container with battery materials causing the fire"
Could have been the lithium goop they put in the batteries. So if you're going down the road and a rock bounces up and punctures the battery *POOF* up in flames you go? I'm not getting an EV, that's for sure.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on December 21, 2023, 01:12:51 PM
Post by: Oerdin on December 21, 2023, 01:12:51 PM
Quote from: Oliver the Second on December 21, 2023, 08:10:26 AMHalf of Buick Dealers Take Buyouts to Avoid Having to Sell GM's Electric Cars
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Almost half of Buick dealers across the United States have opted to take buyouts from General Motors to avoid having to sell Electric Vehicles at a time when consumer reports show Americans are increasingly turned off by the cars.
According to GM, almost 1,000 of its nearly 2,000 Buick dealerships across the U.S. chose to take buyouts from the parent company rather than investing potentially millions into retooling and prepping dealers to service and sell EVs.
The buyouts mean that GM will now have just about 1,000 Buick dealerships across the nation as the automaker moves forward with adhering to President Joe Biden's green energy agenda.
Dealers who are taking the buyout would give up the Buick franchise and no longer sell the brand. The dealer can continue to sell other GM models, such as Chevrolet or GMC, that often account for a higher percentage of sales.
The Journal reported in late 2022 that the automaker planned to offer buyouts to its U.S. Buick dealer network. The move came after the Detroit automaker gave them a choice: Invest at least $300,000 to sell and service EVs, or exit the Buick franchise. The investments would cover electric-vehicle chargers and worker training, among other initiatives.
https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2023/12/20/half-of-buick-dealers-take-buyouts-to-avoid-having-to-sell-gms-electric-cars/
From what I heard it was smaller volume rural dealers who understood EVs are a money pit so better to get something then stick with a dying business.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Thiel on December 21, 2023, 09:26:41 PM
Post by: Thiel on December 21, 2023, 09:26:41 PM
Quote from: Oliver the Second on December 21, 2023, 08:15:06 AM"Our initial investigation indicates a forklift accidentally punctured a container with battery materials causing the fire"Uh oh
Could have been the lithium goop they put in the batteries. So if you're going down the road and a rock bounces up and punctures the battery *POOF* up in flames you go? I'm not getting an EV, that's for sure.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on December 22, 2023, 04:47:44 PM
Post by: Oerdin on December 22, 2023, 04:47:44 PM
https://youtu.be/ZND3BSQBN-s?si=SSDCovH0xjejvdK6
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on December 22, 2023, 08:04:53 PM
Post by: Oerdin on December 22, 2023, 08:04:53 PM
There has been an 85% drop in solar sales in California after the Democrats changed the rules and reduced the amount homeowners get by selling electricity back to the grid by 90%. It is no longer profitable for people to install solar under the new net Metering 3.0 rules.
Luckily, I got my system approved and installed just days before the change went into effect.
https://www.marinij.com/2023/12/22/californias-push-for-rooftop-solar-panels-isnt-going-so-well-right-now/amp/
Luckily, I got my system approved and installed just days before the change went into effect.
https://www.marinij.com/2023/12/22/californias-push-for-rooftop-solar-panels-isnt-going-so-well-right-now/amp/
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Lokmar on December 22, 2023, 09:07:42 PM
Post by: Lokmar on December 22, 2023, 09:07:42 PM
Quote from: Oliver the Second on December 21, 2023, 08:10:26 AMHalf of Buick Dealers Take Buyouts to Avoid Having to Sell GM's Electric Cars
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Almost half of Buick dealers across the United States have opted to take buyouts from General Motors to avoid having to sell Electric Vehicles at a time when consumer reports show Americans are increasingly turned off by the cars.
According to GM, almost 1,000 of its nearly 2,000 Buick dealerships across the U.S. chose to take buyouts from the parent company rather than investing potentially millions into retooling and prepping dealers to service and sell EVs.
The buyouts mean that GM will now have just about 1,000 Buick dealerships across the nation as the automaker moves forward with adhering to President Joe Biden's green energy agenda.
Dealers who are taking the buyout would give up the Buick franchise and no longer sell the brand. The dealer can continue to sell other GM models, such as Chevrolet or GMC, that often account for a higher percentage of sales.
The Journal reported in late 2022 that the automaker planned to offer buyouts to its U.S. Buick dealer network. The move came after the Detroit automaker gave them a choice: Invest at least $300,000 to sell and service EVs, or exit the Buick franchise. The investments would cover electric-vehicle chargers and worker training, among other initiatives.
https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2023/12/20/half-of-buick-dealers-take-buyouts-to-avoid-having-to-sell-gms-electric-cars/
Relatives of mine took the buyout. They said fuk them electric cars!
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Thiel on December 22, 2023, 09:13:43 PM
Post by: Thiel on December 22, 2023, 09:13:43 PM
Quote from: Oerdin on December 22, 2023, 08:04:53 PMThere has been an 85% drop in solar sales in California after the Democrats changed the rules and reduced the amount homeowners get by selling electricity back to the grid by 90%. It is no longer profitable for people to install solar under the new net Metering 3.0 rules.I haven't priced home solar systems. But, even without selling electricity back doesn't it still pay for itself eventually?
Luckily, I got my system approved and installed just days before the change went into effect.
https://www.marinij.com/2023/12/22/californias-push-for-rooftop-solar-panels-isnt-going-so-well-right-now/amp/
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Lokmar on December 22, 2023, 11:32:17 PM
Post by: Lokmar on December 22, 2023, 11:32:17 PM
Quote from: Thiel on December 22, 2023, 09:13:43 PMI haven't priced home solar systems. But, even without selling electricity back doesn't it still pay for itself eventually?
The solar cells degrade and fail. By the time you recoup the money, you could have just paid for the electricity usually. The dont pay you back on new systems like they used to. Lots of negatives.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on December 23, 2023, 12:47:55 AM
Post by: Herman on December 23, 2023, 12:47:55 AM
Quote from: Lokmar on December 22, 2023, 11:32:17 PMThe solar cells degrade and fail. By the time you recoup the money, you could have just paid for the electricity usually. The dont pay you back on new systems like they used to. Lots of negatives.A lot of farmers around here are getting solar systems. I want to talk to folks that have had them at least ten years.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on December 23, 2023, 01:38:11 AM
Post by: Oerdin on December 23, 2023, 01:38:11 AM
Quote from: Thiel on December 22, 2023, 09:13:43 PMI haven't priced home solar systems. But, even without selling electricity back doesn't it still pay for itself eventually?
It depends on a lot of factors.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Thiel on December 24, 2023, 06:42:26 PM
Post by: Thiel on December 24, 2023, 06:42:26 PM
Quote from: Oerdin on December 23, 2023, 01:38:11 AMIt depends on a lot of factors.I am very curious about a solar panel system for Jo Jo and I. If you find something going solar, please post it.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on December 25, 2023, 02:01:34 AM
Post by: Oerdin on December 25, 2023, 02:01:34 AM
I went solar last April and paid around $24,000 for my system. My wife's sister and her husband did the same but they got a slightly smaller system plus as he is a contractor he did some of it himself saving money. We just barely got in under California's Netmetering 2.0 while Netmetering 2.0 has been a complete disaster as it slashed the amounts homeowners get for selling electricity back to the gride by at least 80%. This has caused new solar installs in California to drop 85% compared to this time last year.
Worse, the state now wants to have a gride connection fee of $400 per year for people making $25,000 or less per year and up to $2500 per year for anyone making over $80,000 (household income so most families) which means under 3.0 it will probably never pay for itself. Next they monkeyed with rates so that day time rates go down (which is when you are selling your solar to the gride) but night time rates doubled (again decreasing the value of your solar system). Lastly, the socialists who run this once wonderful state (by run I mean right into the ground) want to start charging different electricity and natural gas rates to people based upon their income. So the same commodities will have different prices for different people depending upon if they are lazy welfare fraudsters VA actual productive working people. All that is before we get into panel performance, roof pitch, orientation of the pitch, obstructions, and a dozen other things which could effect your solar's performance.
Worse, the state now wants to have a gride connection fee of $400 per year for people making $25,000 or less per year and up to $2500 per year for anyone making over $80,000 (household income so most families) which means under 3.0 it will probably never pay for itself. Next they monkeyed with rates so that day time rates go down (which is when you are selling your solar to the gride) but night time rates doubled (again decreasing the value of your solar system). Lastly, the socialists who run this once wonderful state (by run I mean right into the ground) want to start charging different electricity and natural gas rates to people based upon their income. So the same commodities will have different prices for different people depending upon if they are lazy welfare fraudsters VA actual productive working people. All that is before we get into panel performance, roof pitch, orientation of the pitch, obstructions, and a dozen other things which could effect your solar's performance.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on December 25, 2023, 02:40:12 PM
Post by: Oerdin on December 25, 2023, 02:40:12 PM
Kamala Harris desperately tries to hide her gas stove in a picture because she knows she is a hypocrite ordering everyone else to give up their gas stove while she does not
As always with the left it is rules for thee but not me.
https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1739363001445298228
As always with the left it is rules for thee but not me.
https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1739363001445298228
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on December 26, 2023, 04:00:03 PM
Post by: Oerdin on December 26, 2023, 04:00:03 PM
So Biden and the Democraps spent $7.5 billion to install EV chargers and exactly one, yes, one electric charging location got built for $7.5 billion.
Do you understand this is all a scam yet?
https://youtube.com/shorts/doubj4Wjmho?si=TB1MvoKReBc3iWc3
Do you understand this is all a scam yet?
https://youtube.com/shorts/doubj4Wjmho?si=TB1MvoKReBc3iWc3
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Shen Li on December 26, 2023, 04:15:00 PM
Post by: Shen Li on December 26, 2023, 04:15:00 PM
Quote from: Oerdin on December 26, 2023, 04:00:03 PMSo Biden and the Democraps spent $7.5 billion to install EV chargers and exactly one, yes, one electric charging location got built for $7.5 billion.Only $7.5 billion for one charging station. That seems a little expensive.
Do you understand this is all a scam yet?
https://youtube.com/shorts/doubj4Wjmho?si=TB1MvoKReBc3iWc3
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on December 26, 2023, 04:18:06 PM
Post by: Oerdin on December 26, 2023, 04:18:06 PM
I am sure they will claim they upgraded some wires some where to prep for more demand but the utility are supposed to do that anyway without more government handouts.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on December 27, 2023, 01:18:44 PM
Post by: Oerdin on December 27, 2023, 01:18:44 PM
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/kamala-harris-roasted-christmas-pic-another-gas-stove
That was the Thanksgiving picture she got roasted on for having a stove and there is the Xmas picture where she was trying to hide the stove.
That was the Thanksgiving picture she got roasted on for having a stove and there is the Xmas picture where she was trying to hide the stove.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Lokmar on December 27, 2023, 01:37:24 PM
Post by: Lokmar on December 27, 2023, 01:37:24 PM
Quote from: Oerdin on December 27, 2023, 01:18:44 PMhttps://www.foxnews.com/politics/kamala-harris-roasted-christmas-pic-another-gas-stove
That was the Thanksgiving picture she got roasted on for having a stove and there is the Xmas picture where she was trying to hide the stove.
She is one stupid bitch! IF democRATs had shame, they'd call for her ouster.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on December 28, 2023, 11:12:50 PM
Post by: Herman on December 28, 2023, 11:12:50 PM
From my buddy Alex Epstain
Global fossil fuel use is increasing, and the energy-poor world needs even more to power life-saving machines.
Fossil fuel use is 80% of the world's energy and still growing despite 100+ years of aggressive competition and 20+ years of political hostility and massive solar and wind favoritism.⁵
There is a desperate need for far more of the global-scale cost-effective energy that only fossil fuels can provide near-term: ⅓ of the world uses wood and animal dung for heating and cooking, and 3 billion use less electricity than a typical American refrigerator
Since 1980, India's fossil fuel use has increased by >700% and China's by >600%. In the same time frame, India's life expectancy increased by 17 years and China's by 14.
China, which uses mostly coal to produce "green" tech, has over 300 planned new coal plants designed to last over 40 years.
Even nations with little or no fossil fuel resources have used fossil fuels to develop and prosper. E.g., South Korea (83% fossil fuels), Japan (85% fossil fuels), Singapore (99% fossil fuels)
The "green" movement catastrophizes the future climate side-effects of fossil fuels, which are completely masterable.
Climate warming is concentrated in colder areas of the world (such as the Arctic), during colder times of day, and during colder seasons. (This means that future warming will occur more in cold situations where it saves lives than in hot situations where it causes problems.
The most extreme UN sea level rise projections are just 3 feet in 100 years. (This is a completely masterable level.) There are already 100 million people on Earth living below high-tide sea level.
Mainstream estimates say hurricanes will be less frequent and between 1-10% more intense at 2° C warming. (This is not at all catastrophic if we continue our fossil-fueled climate mastery.
Mainstream science is unanimous that the warming impact of CO2 diminishes ("logarithmically") as it increases in concentration. Every new molecule of CO2 we add to the atmosphere has less of a warming effect than the previous one.
Global fossil fuel use is increasing, and the energy-poor world needs even more to power life-saving machines.
Fossil fuel use is 80% of the world's energy and still growing despite 100+ years of aggressive competition and 20+ years of political hostility and massive solar and wind favoritism.⁵
There is a desperate need for far more of the global-scale cost-effective energy that only fossil fuels can provide near-term: ⅓ of the world uses wood and animal dung for heating and cooking, and 3 billion use less electricity than a typical American refrigerator
Since 1980, India's fossil fuel use has increased by >700% and China's by >600%. In the same time frame, India's life expectancy increased by 17 years and China's by 14.
China, which uses mostly coal to produce "green" tech, has over 300 planned new coal plants designed to last over 40 years.
Even nations with little or no fossil fuel resources have used fossil fuels to develop and prosper. E.g., South Korea (83% fossil fuels), Japan (85% fossil fuels), Singapore (99% fossil fuels)
The "green" movement catastrophizes the future climate side-effects of fossil fuels, which are completely masterable.
Climate warming is concentrated in colder areas of the world (such as the Arctic), during colder times of day, and during colder seasons. (This means that future warming will occur more in cold situations where it saves lives than in hot situations where it causes problems.
The most extreme UN sea level rise projections are just 3 feet in 100 years. (This is a completely masterable level.) There are already 100 million people on Earth living below high-tide sea level.
Mainstream estimates say hurricanes will be less frequent and between 1-10% more intense at 2° C warming. (This is not at all catastrophic if we continue our fossil-fueled climate mastery.
Mainstream science is unanimous that the warming impact of CO2 diminishes ("logarithmically") as it increases in concentration. Every new molecule of CO2 we add to the atmosphere has less of a warming effect than the previous one.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on December 28, 2023, 11:20:00 PM
Post by: Herman on December 28, 2023, 11:20:00 PM
Unreliable solar and wind are not anywhere near able to replace fossil fuels.
Battery backup for solar and wind is so expensive that just 3 days of global backup using Elon Musk's Megapacks would cost $570 trillion, about 6X global GDP.
Solar and wind never provide the exact amount of electricity that is needed. Electricity requires exactly matching supply and demand, and solar and wind on their own exactly match supply with demand 0% of the time.
Even mild increases in demand for critical minerals involving solar and wind have led to scaling issues and cost increases. (What will the unprecedented demand increases of "net zero" plans lead to?)
"Net zero" plans to scale solar and wind involve more than doubling the supply of half a dozen major mined materials per decade—even though they can't point to any examples of any major mined mineral doubling that fast, even with pro-development governments.
6 days after pledging to go all-EVs, California Governor Gavin Newsom told residents there wasn't enough power to charge their EVs.
80% of the world's energy is not electricity. For non-electricity energy, solar and wind either can't do what fossil fuel can—e.g., airplanes or cargo ships—or are far more expensive.
Our dependence on China for key components of solar, wind, and batteries is far greater than our dependence on Russia for fossil fuels.
Far from out-competing fossil fuels, solar and wind are growing fast only when given massive government preferences—mandates, subsidies, and no penalty for unreliability—along with crippling government punishments of fossil fuels.
Battery backup for solar and wind is so expensive that just 3 days of global backup using Elon Musk's Megapacks would cost $570 trillion, about 6X global GDP.
Solar and wind never provide the exact amount of electricity that is needed. Electricity requires exactly matching supply and demand, and solar and wind on their own exactly match supply with demand 0% of the time.
Even mild increases in demand for critical minerals involving solar and wind have led to scaling issues and cost increases. (What will the unprecedented demand increases of "net zero" plans lead to?)
"Net zero" plans to scale solar and wind involve more than doubling the supply of half a dozen major mined materials per decade—even though they can't point to any examples of any major mined mineral doubling that fast, even with pro-development governments.
6 days after pledging to go all-EVs, California Governor Gavin Newsom told residents there wasn't enough power to charge their EVs.
80% of the world's energy is not electricity. For non-electricity energy, solar and wind either can't do what fossil fuel can—e.g., airplanes or cargo ships—or are far more expensive.
Our dependence on China for key components of solar, wind, and batteries is far greater than our dependence on Russia for fossil fuels.
Far from out-competing fossil fuels, solar and wind are growing fast only when given massive government preferences—mandates, subsidies, and no penalty for unreliability—along with crippling government punishments of fossil fuels.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on December 29, 2023, 04:33:12 PM
Post by: Oerdin on December 29, 2023, 04:33:12 PM
It is not just gas stoves and water heaters any more. Now the Biden admin wants to ban most of the refrigerators on the market today. He wants them to be smaller, more efficient, and most of all he wants them vastly more expensive.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-admin-unveils-string-of-eco-regulations-in-latest-appliance-crackdown-targeting-fridges-freezers
More accurately radical Democrats are doing these things while Joe Biden just shits his pants and drills on himself.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-admin-unveils-string-of-eco-regulations-in-latest-appliance-crackdown-targeting-fridges-freezers
More accurately radical Democrats are doing these things while Joe Biden just shits his pants and drills on himself.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on December 29, 2023, 05:15:59 PM
Post by: Oerdin on December 29, 2023, 05:15:59 PM
A great video.
https://youtu.be/AGaNghtj41I?si=aYgBDzBWib13LEWj
https://youtu.be/AGaNghtj41I?si=aYgBDzBWib13LEWj
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Thiel on December 29, 2023, 06:49:51 PM
Post by: Thiel on December 29, 2023, 06:49:51 PM
Quote from: Oerdin on December 29, 2023, 05:15:59 PMA great video.I've seen it before. It is a good video.
https://youtu.be/AGaNghtj41I?si=aYgBDzBWib13LEWj
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on January 02, 2024, 03:58:45 PM
Post by: Herman on January 02, 2024, 03:58:45 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiqxUKMZkm8
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Shen Li on January 03, 2024, 01:52:54 AM
Post by: Shen Li on January 03, 2024, 01:52:54 AM
An electric bike caught on fire on Toronto's subway.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adZusgV7OtU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adZusgV7OtU
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on January 05, 2024, 10:18:29 PM
Post by: Herman on January 05, 2024, 10:18:29 PM
Green Energy Waste Overlooked in Climate Agenda
Where do the mountains of broken solar panels and wind turbine blades end up? The amount of waste piling up from solar panels and wind turbine blades can be measured in tons. And the industry is just getting started.
Almost all spent solar panels in the United States end up in landfills, and many first- and second-generation panels are already tapping out, well ahead of their anticipated 30-year lifespan.
Added to that will be an estimated 9.8 million metric tons of dead panels to deal with between 2030 and 2060, according to a study published in Science Direct.
Tossing a solar panel into a U.S. landfill currently costs about $1, maybe $2. To recycle that same panel, the cost balloons to $20 to $30, according to an estimate reported by PV Magazine.
Wind turbine parts present a similar challenge, with thousands of blades having already found their way into dumps and fields in Texas, Wyoming, South Dakota, and Iowa.
It's no small feat to dump a blade. The length of a single wind turbine blade can be more than 200 feet or longer than the wingspan of a Boeing 747,according to the Department of Energy. Offshore wind rigs are even larger.
Currently, about 7,000 blades are scrapped per year in the United States, according to David Morgan, chief strategy officer for Carbon Rivers, a Tennessee-based recycling center for advanced materials.
Of all the glass fiber waste that Carbon Rivers receives, wind turbine blades are the most challenging, Mr. Morgan said.
"They're a very hardy, robust material. They're large and cumbersome to deal with," he told aa news source.
"Large wind turbine blades, travel trailers, boat hulls, and other waste streams can be converted into clean, high-quality glass fiber that can be economically reincorporated into your next car, boat, or turbine blade," the Carbon Rivers website states.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on January 05, 2024, 10:19:57 PM
Post by: Herman on January 05, 2024, 10:19:57 PM
Part 2
As wind turbine graveyards have turned into viral video content, the wind industry has become more "conversational" about end-of-life solutions, Mr. Morgan said, but it's not set up for a "composite circular economy."
When it comes to truly "green" solutions, a "circular economy" is vital, Mr. Morgan said. It's basically a business model that prioritizes the reuse, repair, or regeneration of materials to continue production in as sustainable a way as possible.
He said renewable waste isn't just an infrastructure problem, there are also legislation gaps.
"Right now, you can largely landfill wind blades. It varies state by state."
Some companies backing wind energy—particularly those tied to fossil fuel giants such as Shell Global and General Electric—have left critics dubious about whether true sustainability is part of the existing plan.
The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), under former President Donald Trump, identified the looming problems with increasing renewable energy waste.
"Without a strategy for their end-of-life management, so-called green technologies like solar panels, electric vehicle batteries, and windmills will ultimately place the same unintended burdens on our planet and economy as traditional commodities," former EPA administrator Andrew Wheeler said.
As wind turbine graveyards have turned into viral video content, the wind industry has become more "conversational" about end-of-life solutions, Mr. Morgan said, but it's not set up for a "composite circular economy."
When it comes to truly "green" solutions, a "circular economy" is vital, Mr. Morgan said. It's basically a business model that prioritizes the reuse, repair, or regeneration of materials to continue production in as sustainable a way as possible.
He said renewable waste isn't just an infrastructure problem, there are also legislation gaps.
"Right now, you can largely landfill wind blades. It varies state by state."
Some companies backing wind energy—particularly those tied to fossil fuel giants such as Shell Global and General Electric—have left critics dubious about whether true sustainability is part of the existing plan.
The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), under former President Donald Trump, identified the looming problems with increasing renewable energy waste.
"Without a strategy for their end-of-life management, so-called green technologies like solar panels, electric vehicle batteries, and windmills will ultimately place the same unintended burdens on our planet and economy as traditional commodities," former EPA administrator Andrew Wheeler said.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on January 05, 2024, 10:21:22 PM
Post by: Herman on January 05, 2024, 10:21:22 PM
Part 3
Expanding Industry
As the so-called renewable energy industry expands—largely because of massive subsidies from the Biden administration—so does the waste on the back end.
Solar generation capacity is forecast to increase by more than 38 percent in 2024, according to a Dec. 12th report by the Energy Information Administration (EIA), a U.S. government agency. Wind energy capacity is forecast to increase by 4.4 percent.
Despite this notable surge in deployment of renewable energy systems, America's electric generation in 2022 was primarily (about 60 percent) from fossil fuels—coal, natural gas, petroleum, and other gases, according to the EIA.
Renewable energy sources accounted for about 21 percent and 18 percent was from nuclear energy. An additional fraction was from small-scale solar systems.
Solar panels have a life span of up to 30 years. Understandably, some environmental organizations are raising the alarm.
"If solar and nuclear produce the same amount of electricity over the next 25 years that nuclear produced in 2016, and the wastes are stacked on football fields, the nuclear waste would reach the height of the Leaning Tower of Pisa," California-based Environmental Progress states.
"The solar waste would reach the height of two Mt. Everests."
The number of retired wind turbine blades is expected to reach 9,000 per year over the next five years, according to a 2022 analysis published by Chemical and Engineering News.
Mr. Morgan said he's keeping pace with the inbound waste for now and the company is scaling up operations, including construction of a large-scale facility in Texas. Carbon Rivers has also broadened its scope into anything "composite-based," including glass fiber and even aerospace parts.
Expanding Industry
As the so-called renewable energy industry expands—largely because of massive subsidies from the Biden administration—so does the waste on the back end.
Solar generation capacity is forecast to increase by more than 38 percent in 2024, according to a Dec. 12th report by the Energy Information Administration (EIA), a U.S. government agency. Wind energy capacity is forecast to increase by 4.4 percent.
Despite this notable surge in deployment of renewable energy systems, America's electric generation in 2022 was primarily (about 60 percent) from fossil fuels—coal, natural gas, petroleum, and other gases, according to the EIA.
Renewable energy sources accounted for about 21 percent and 18 percent was from nuclear energy. An additional fraction was from small-scale solar systems.
Solar panels have a life span of up to 30 years. Understandably, some environmental organizations are raising the alarm.
"If solar and nuclear produce the same amount of electricity over the next 25 years that nuclear produced in 2016, and the wastes are stacked on football fields, the nuclear waste would reach the height of the Leaning Tower of Pisa," California-based Environmental Progress states.
"The solar waste would reach the height of two Mt. Everests."
The number of retired wind turbine blades is expected to reach 9,000 per year over the next five years, according to a 2022 analysis published by Chemical and Engineering News.
Mr. Morgan said he's keeping pace with the inbound waste for now and the company is scaling up operations, including construction of a large-scale facility in Texas. Carbon Rivers has also broadened its scope into anything "composite-based," including glass fiber and even aerospace parts.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on January 05, 2024, 10:26:21 PM
Post by: Herman on January 05, 2024, 10:26:21 PM
Part 4
E-Waste
Another area of waste—electronic waste, commonly known as e-waste—is growing at an exponential rate. It's the fastest-growing solid waste stream in the world and includes renewable items such as solar panels and electric vehicle (EV) batteries.
Only a small portion is being recycled.
One analysis from 2019 released this year showed that of the 53.6 million tons of e-waste produced globally, barely 17 percent was recycled.
"People think plastic is the waste boogeyman ... but e-waste is still growing," Paul Williams, vice president of communications for recycling company ERI, told a news source.
Focused on breaking down and recycling all kinds of e-waste, Mr. Williams said ERI maintains a "military grade" level of data destruction when it comes to electronics.
Privacy protection is a huge concern with e-waste.
"It becomes not just an environmental issue, not just a human rights issue, it's also a cyber security issue. A lot of technology today contains private data," he said.
In the early days of e-waste disposal, negligent companies handled e-waste in a way that left the door wide open to data theft. "What we found were these unscrupulous types were just shipping this stuff to developing nations ... and it was a huge privacy challenge because of the data," Mr. Williams said.
Data security preparations must also be made for EVs, and not just their potentially volatile batteries, but also for the onboard computers in EVs when they reach the end of their life.
"Cars are particularly scary because the type of data that is captured is very personal. It knows your routes, the weight, and sizes of the people sitting in the seats of the car," he said. "It's kind of scary to think about." While ERI isn't seeing a lot of solar panels or EV-related battery waste just yet, Mr. Williams said they're ready for it.
"They will ultimately come to our door. We don't turn any e-waste away."
He said great strides have been made in the past two decades regarding the public's disposal of e-waste.
In the early 2000s, when ERI was first getting started, Mr. Williams says everyone had "old TVs in their garage or attic. People didn't know what to do with them."
The same goes for the younger generations with retired cellphones. But he says attitudes have changed over the past 10 to 15 years, and much of that has to do with the data security challenges involved with e-waste.
Mr. Williams isn't daunted by the coming influx of solar panels and EV components.
"Even with lithium-ion batteries and solar panels, they aren't the last mile. We know there will be something new at some point." He said transparency has been an issue with companies claiming to recycle e-waste in years past, with some advertising eco-friendly solutions while secretly dumping their e-waste in landfills.
"The most important thing, really, is transparency. When ERI started, we were literally mounting cameras on our ceilings. Nothing goes to landfill when we work on it," Mr. Williams said.
Domino Effect
Recycling dead solar panels, EV batteries, and wind turbine parts are major components of the waste problem, but supportive infrastructure is also impacted as alternative energy production ramps up.
Chief among this infrastructure are electrical transformers, which industry insiders say there's a skyrocketing demand for both new and reconditioned units.
The wait for a new transformer is months, or even a year, says Clayton Saunderson, director of inventory and purchasing at Maddox Industrial Transformers, which reconditions transformers.
Reconditioning and returning existing units from solar farms have become an integral part of Maddox's business, Mr. Saunderson told a reporter.
"We buy from pretty much anyone and everyone. There's enormous demand," he said.
Right now, demand for transformers is exceeding supply, including within the renewables sector, Mr. Saunderson said. "Doesn't matter what segment you're in. It's really hard to get a transformer quickly ... If you have an existing project and you have a failure, a lot of times you can't wait 50 weeks," he said.
Maddox's turnaround time on a reconditioned transformer is one to four weeks.
He said renewable energy farms tend to run their transformers "pretty hard," causing them to wear down fast. Refurbishing an existing transformer is the quickest option, while recycling is a lengthier, more intensive process requiring more time and logistics to make its way back into the circular economy.
"We're able to take a product [and] bring it back to life to keep it from being disassembled or sent to a recycling facility," he said. But the EV industry demand is stretching resources even thinner.
"In the EV segment, there's a battle for EV chargers [stations]," Mr. Saunderson said, saying this additional competition for transformers needed to power EV charging stations "hamstrings" the ability to get ahead of the shortage.
"It's going to be more and more difficult to get product on the shelf," he said. "We're seeing tremendous growth. It's higher than it's ever been."
E-Waste
Another area of waste—electronic waste, commonly known as e-waste—is growing at an exponential rate. It's the fastest-growing solid waste stream in the world and includes renewable items such as solar panels and electric vehicle (EV) batteries.
Only a small portion is being recycled.
One analysis from 2019 released this year showed that of the 53.6 million tons of e-waste produced globally, barely 17 percent was recycled.
"People think plastic is the waste boogeyman ... but e-waste is still growing," Paul Williams, vice president of communications for recycling company ERI, told a news source.
Focused on breaking down and recycling all kinds of e-waste, Mr. Williams said ERI maintains a "military grade" level of data destruction when it comes to electronics.
Privacy protection is a huge concern with e-waste.
"It becomes not just an environmental issue, not just a human rights issue, it's also a cyber security issue. A lot of technology today contains private data," he said.
In the early days of e-waste disposal, negligent companies handled e-waste in a way that left the door wide open to data theft. "What we found were these unscrupulous types were just shipping this stuff to developing nations ... and it was a huge privacy challenge because of the data," Mr. Williams said.
Data security preparations must also be made for EVs, and not just their potentially volatile batteries, but also for the onboard computers in EVs when they reach the end of their life.
"Cars are particularly scary because the type of data that is captured is very personal. It knows your routes, the weight, and sizes of the people sitting in the seats of the car," he said. "It's kind of scary to think about." While ERI isn't seeing a lot of solar panels or EV-related battery waste just yet, Mr. Williams said they're ready for it.
"They will ultimately come to our door. We don't turn any e-waste away."
He said great strides have been made in the past two decades regarding the public's disposal of e-waste.
In the early 2000s, when ERI was first getting started, Mr. Williams says everyone had "old TVs in their garage or attic. People didn't know what to do with them."
The same goes for the younger generations with retired cellphones. But he says attitudes have changed over the past 10 to 15 years, and much of that has to do with the data security challenges involved with e-waste.
Mr. Williams isn't daunted by the coming influx of solar panels and EV components.
"Even with lithium-ion batteries and solar panels, they aren't the last mile. We know there will be something new at some point." He said transparency has been an issue with companies claiming to recycle e-waste in years past, with some advertising eco-friendly solutions while secretly dumping their e-waste in landfills.
"The most important thing, really, is transparency. When ERI started, we were literally mounting cameras on our ceilings. Nothing goes to landfill when we work on it," Mr. Williams said.
Domino Effect
Recycling dead solar panels, EV batteries, and wind turbine parts are major components of the waste problem, but supportive infrastructure is also impacted as alternative energy production ramps up.
Chief among this infrastructure are electrical transformers, which industry insiders say there's a skyrocketing demand for both new and reconditioned units.
The wait for a new transformer is months, or even a year, says Clayton Saunderson, director of inventory and purchasing at Maddox Industrial Transformers, which reconditions transformers.
Reconditioning and returning existing units from solar farms have become an integral part of Maddox's business, Mr. Saunderson told a reporter.
"We buy from pretty much anyone and everyone. There's enormous demand," he said.
Right now, demand for transformers is exceeding supply, including within the renewables sector, Mr. Saunderson said. "Doesn't matter what segment you're in. It's really hard to get a transformer quickly ... If you have an existing project and you have a failure, a lot of times you can't wait 50 weeks," he said.
Maddox's turnaround time on a reconditioned transformer is one to four weeks.
He said renewable energy farms tend to run their transformers "pretty hard," causing them to wear down fast. Refurbishing an existing transformer is the quickest option, while recycling is a lengthier, more intensive process requiring more time and logistics to make its way back into the circular economy.
"We're able to take a product [and] bring it back to life to keep it from being disassembled or sent to a recycling facility," he said. But the EV industry demand is stretching resources even thinner.
"In the EV segment, there's a battle for EV chargers [stations]," Mr. Saunderson said, saying this additional competition for transformers needed to power EV charging stations "hamstrings" the ability to get ahead of the shortage.
"It's going to be more and more difficult to get product on the shelf," he said. "We're seeing tremendous growth. It's higher than it's ever been."
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on January 05, 2024, 10:29:04 PM
Post by: Herman on January 05, 2024, 10:29:04 PM
Part 5
Hazardous Material
New battery technology, especially the lithium-ions that run EVs, bring a new set of challenges and toxic chemicals to the recycling business.
"Things like nickel are carcinogenic. You don't want that ending up in a landfill," Marcus Randolph, CEO of battery recycler Ecobat, told an interviewer.
From a waste management standpoint, there's a silver lining when it comes to processing EV batteries, according to Mr. Randolph. In spite of the complex composition of EV batteries, he believes recycling will be the "clear winner" in the long run due to the short supply of key elements, such as cobalt, used in their construction.
He says the value of the minerals recovered as "black mass" from retired batteries is far too valuable to simply dump in a landfill.
It's also incredibly hazardous. "We can't keep throwing hazardous materials in landfills. And you're talking to a mining engineer," Mr. Randolph said.
However, it doesn't make EV batteries any less challenging to break down. "We stood back and said, you know, lithium batteries are our greatest threat and our greatest opportunity," he said, adding that lithium-based batteries are "a lot more complex."
Moreover, they can start fires that are impossible to extinguish through traditional methods. Mr. Randolph said that since oxygen isn't part of the combustion equation with lithium batteries, water and some conventional suppression methods won't work. This becomes particularly dangerous when more than one cell in a compromised battery ignites, creating what's known as "thermal runaway."
Baltimore County Fire Bureau Chief Tim Rostkowski told 11 News Investigates that when lithium-ion batteries go into thermal runaway, "they will generate their own heat, and they will propagate, or they will move from cell to cell to cell to cell. These batteries can get over 1,000 degrees. "If we don't cool it down quick enough, and for a long enough period of time, it will generate heat and catch itself back on fire."
And while the phenomenon is rare, it still happens. Mr. Randolph said Ecobat uses special boxes to contain and transport old or compromised EV units. This becomes critical since the logistics of moving EV batteries is a challenge in itself. "If your EV batteries are old, you're more likely to have a problem just getting them to the plant," he said. Ecobat began its journey recycling lead batteries, of which up to 98 percent of its critical components can be recycled. Meanwhile, lithium-ion batteries are trailing behind.
"People are struggling to get to 65 percent" of critical components extracted and recycled, Mr. Randolph said. He said Ecobat currently processes about 30,000 tons per year. "Three plants that run 10,000 tons per year, each," he said. And they're preparing for a mountain more as EVs become more prevalent.
Hazardous Material
New battery technology, especially the lithium-ions that run EVs, bring a new set of challenges and toxic chemicals to the recycling business.
"Things like nickel are carcinogenic. You don't want that ending up in a landfill," Marcus Randolph, CEO of battery recycler Ecobat, told an interviewer.
From a waste management standpoint, there's a silver lining when it comes to processing EV batteries, according to Mr. Randolph. In spite of the complex composition of EV batteries, he believes recycling will be the "clear winner" in the long run due to the short supply of key elements, such as cobalt, used in their construction.
He says the value of the minerals recovered as "black mass" from retired batteries is far too valuable to simply dump in a landfill.
It's also incredibly hazardous. "We can't keep throwing hazardous materials in landfills. And you're talking to a mining engineer," Mr. Randolph said.
However, it doesn't make EV batteries any less challenging to break down. "We stood back and said, you know, lithium batteries are our greatest threat and our greatest opportunity," he said, adding that lithium-based batteries are "a lot more complex."
Moreover, they can start fires that are impossible to extinguish through traditional methods. Mr. Randolph said that since oxygen isn't part of the combustion equation with lithium batteries, water and some conventional suppression methods won't work. This becomes particularly dangerous when more than one cell in a compromised battery ignites, creating what's known as "thermal runaway."
Baltimore County Fire Bureau Chief Tim Rostkowski told 11 News Investigates that when lithium-ion batteries go into thermal runaway, "they will generate their own heat, and they will propagate, or they will move from cell to cell to cell to cell. These batteries can get over 1,000 degrees. "If we don't cool it down quick enough, and for a long enough period of time, it will generate heat and catch itself back on fire."
And while the phenomenon is rare, it still happens. Mr. Randolph said Ecobat uses special boxes to contain and transport old or compromised EV units. This becomes critical since the logistics of moving EV batteries is a challenge in itself. "If your EV batteries are old, you're more likely to have a problem just getting them to the plant," he said. Ecobat began its journey recycling lead batteries, of which up to 98 percent of its critical components can be recycled. Meanwhile, lithium-ion batteries are trailing behind.
"People are struggling to get to 65 percent" of critical components extracted and recycled, Mr. Randolph said. He said Ecobat currently processes about 30,000 tons per year. "Three plants that run 10,000 tons per year, each," he said. And they're preparing for a mountain more as EVs become more prevalent.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on January 07, 2024, 10:40:01 PM
Post by: Herman on January 07, 2024, 10:40:01 PM
This was written by George Franklin, a retired aerospace engineer. He has worked on worked on MX (Peacekeeper) Space Shuttle, Hubble, Brilliant Pebbles, PACOSS, Space Station, MMU, B2, and the Sultan of Brunei's half billion dollar private 747.
Solar panels are at best about 20% efficient. They convert almost 0% of the UV light that hits them. None of the visible spectrum and only some of the IR spectrum. At the same time as they are absorbing light they are absorbing heat from the sun. This absorbed heat is radiated into the adjacent atmosphere. It should be obvious what happens next. When air is warmed it rises. Even small differences in ordinary land surfaces are capable of creating powerful forces of weather like thunderstorms and tornadoes. These weather phenomena are initiated and reinforced by land features as they are blown downwind. It is all too obvious to me what will happen with the heat generated by an entire solar farm. Solar farms will become thunderstorm and tornado incubators and magnets.
Solar panels are dark and and they emit energy to the space above them when they are not being radiated. This is known as black-body radiation. Satellites flying in space use this phenomenon to cool internal components. If they didn't do this they would fry themselves.
So solar farms not only produce more heat in summer than the original land that they were installed on, but they also produce more cooling in winter, thus exacerbating weather extremes.
So I conclude with this. There is nothing green about green energy except the dirty money flowing into corrupt pockets. There is no such thing as green energy. The science doesn't exist. The technology doesn't exist. The engineering doesn't exist. We are being pushed to save the planet with solutions that are worse than the problems.
Solar panels are at best about 20% efficient. They convert almost 0% of the UV light that hits them. None of the visible spectrum and only some of the IR spectrum. At the same time as they are absorbing light they are absorbing heat from the sun. This absorbed heat is radiated into the adjacent atmosphere. It should be obvious what happens next. When air is warmed it rises. Even small differences in ordinary land surfaces are capable of creating powerful forces of weather like thunderstorms and tornadoes. These weather phenomena are initiated and reinforced by land features as they are blown downwind. It is all too obvious to me what will happen with the heat generated by an entire solar farm. Solar farms will become thunderstorm and tornado incubators and magnets.
Solar panels are dark and and they emit energy to the space above them when they are not being radiated. This is known as black-body radiation. Satellites flying in space use this phenomenon to cool internal components. If they didn't do this they would fry themselves.
So solar farms not only produce more heat in summer than the original land that they were installed on, but they also produce more cooling in winter, thus exacerbating weather extremes.
So I conclude with this. There is nothing green about green energy except the dirty money flowing into corrupt pockets. There is no such thing as green energy. The science doesn't exist. The technology doesn't exist. The engineering doesn't exist. We are being pushed to save the planet with solutions that are worse than the problems.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on January 07, 2024, 11:13:50 PM
Post by: Herman on January 07, 2024, 11:13:50 PM
Solar and wind have a huge impact on the environment and they are not sustraninable. They take up a lot of space because they deal with diffuse energy. They need huge transmission lines because they take up a lot of space. They can't be in the city because cities can't be supported by them. So, they need to be in these different places that are optimized for how much sun and wind there is.
So, what you find is they're less than 5% of the world's energy. That's one thing. They're growing, but you notice if you look at it, they're growing in places where they have extreme government preferences. There are extreme subsidies, often mandates where you're forced to. The grid is set up so you pay the same for unreliable electricity as reliable electricity, which totally works in their favor.
So, they depend on these extreme subsidies, and then you see that they tend to add costs to the grid. So, you have cost problems and reliability problems when they're used, which, it's pretty straightforward why. Because they're unreliable, so that means they can go almost to zero at any given time, so you need to pay for the whole backup infrastructure, which is really a life support infrastructure. So, you need to pay for two sets of infrastructure, reliable and unreliable. It's generally preferable just to pay for the reliable, cost-wise.
So, they add cost and then they also decrease reliability because people try to avoid paying for two separate infrastructures like California and Texas. So, we don't invest enough in the reliable and then we play reliability chicken and then we lose.
So, the grids are getting much worse. Through the US, we have all these grid problems that we didn't have 20 years ago because we're using this "amazing" solar and wind. And then on top of this, this is only for electricity, which is, about a fifth or a quarter of the world's machines are running on electricity. The rest of them run on transportation machines that directly burn fossil fuels, industrial heat machines, so very high levels of heat that directly burn fossil fuels, and then residential heat machines that directly burn fossil fuels.
And so, solar and wind are having all sorts of failures, even with electricity, let alone these non-electricity uses of fossil fuels that are non-electricity because it's more cost-effective to do them by directly burning fossil fuels than electricity.
So, what you find is they're less than 5% of the world's energy. That's one thing. They're growing, but you notice if you look at it, they're growing in places where they have extreme government preferences. There are extreme subsidies, often mandates where you're forced to. The grid is set up so you pay the same for unreliable electricity as reliable electricity, which totally works in their favor.
So, they depend on these extreme subsidies, and then you see that they tend to add costs to the grid. So, you have cost problems and reliability problems when they're used, which, it's pretty straightforward why. Because they're unreliable, so that means they can go almost to zero at any given time, so you need to pay for the whole backup infrastructure, which is really a life support infrastructure. So, you need to pay for two sets of infrastructure, reliable and unreliable. It's generally preferable just to pay for the reliable, cost-wise.
So, they add cost and then they also decrease reliability because people try to avoid paying for two separate infrastructures like California and Texas. So, we don't invest enough in the reliable and then we play reliability chicken and then we lose.
So, the grids are getting much worse. Through the US, we have all these grid problems that we didn't have 20 years ago because we're using this "amazing" solar and wind. And then on top of this, this is only for electricity, which is, about a fifth or a quarter of the world's machines are running on electricity. The rest of them run on transportation machines that directly burn fossil fuels, industrial heat machines, so very high levels of heat that directly burn fossil fuels, and then residential heat machines that directly burn fossil fuels.
And so, solar and wind are having all sorts of failures, even with electricity, let alone these non-electricity uses of fossil fuels that are non-electricity because it's more cost-effective to do them by directly burning fossil fuels than electricity.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on January 08, 2024, 07:49:53 PM
Post by: Oerdin on January 08, 2024, 07:49:53 PM
The insurance for electric cars cost out of this world. They also consume tires like no tomorrow because they weight so much.
https://youtu.be/CvMfWUo61Ck?si=ldcxYk6sJqU4cmot
https://youtu.be/CvMfWUo61Ck?si=ldcxYk6sJqU4cmot
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Frood on January 08, 2024, 07:55:30 PM
Post by: Frood on January 08, 2024, 07:55:30 PM
Quote from: Herman on January 07, 2024, 11:13:50 PMSolar and wind have a huge impact on the environment and they are not sustraninable. They take up a lot of space because they deal with diffuse energy. They need huge transmission lines because they take up a lot of space. They can't be in the city because cities can't be supported by them. So, they need to be in these different places that are optimized for how much sun and wind there is.
So, what you find is they're less than 5% of the world's energy. That's one thing. They're growing, but you notice if you look at it, they're growing in places where they have extreme government preferences. There are extreme subsidies, often mandates where you're forced to. The grid is set up so you pay the same for unreliable electricity as reliable electricity, which totally works in their favor.
So, they depend on these extreme subsidies, and then you see that they tend to add costs to the grid. So, you have cost problems and reliability problems when they're used, which, it's pretty straightforward why. Because they're unreliable, so that means they can go almost to zero at any given time, so you need to pay for the whole backup infrastructure, which is really a life support infrastructure. So, you need to pay for two sets of infrastructure, reliable and unreliable. It's generally preferable just to pay for the reliable, cost-wise.
So, they add cost and then they also decrease reliability because people try to avoid paying for two separate infrastructures like California and Texas. So, we don't invest enough in the reliable and then we play reliability chicken and then we lose.
So, the grids are getting much worse. Through the US, we have all these grid problems that we didn't have 20 years ago because we're using this "amazing" solar and wind. And then on top of this, this is only for electricity, which is, about a fifth or a quarter of the world's machines are running on electricity. The rest of them run on transportation machines that directly burn fossil fuels, industrial heat machines, so very high levels of heat that directly burn fossil fuels, and then residential heat machines that directly burn fossil fuels.
And so, solar and wind are having all sorts of failures, even with electricity, let alone these non-electricity uses of fossil fuels that are non-electricity because it's more cost-effective to do them by directly burning fossil fuels than electricity.
Don't forget what happened in Texas a few winters ago...
No sun, lots of ice, extreme cold = ruined batteries, burned up wind turbines
Them then grid went down and people and pipes froze.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on January 08, 2024, 09:58:31 PM
Post by: Herman on January 08, 2024, 09:58:31 PM
Quote from: Frood on January 08, 2024, 07:55:30 PMDon't forget what happened in Texas a few winters ago...Texas has a lot of unreliable wind power. The transmission of wind power is so expensive as they are typically further from population centers.
No sun, lots of ice, extreme cold = ruined batteries, burned up wind turbines
Them then grid went down and people and pipes froze.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Frood on January 08, 2024, 10:05:19 PM
Post by: Frood on January 08, 2024, 10:05:19 PM
Quote from: Herman on January 08, 2024, 09:58:31 PMTexas has a lot of unreliable wind power. The transmission of wind farms is so expensive as they are typically further from population centers.
True, but the issue at the time was the wind turbine lithium battery packs going dead at below freezing temps and the rotors icing up and seizing. I believe some of them erupted into flames because of it.
That loss of generation combined with increased use of household heaters in order to keep uninsulated pipes from freezing/bursting became a doom spiral.
And solar field plants produced next to nothing during those atmospheric conditions..
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on January 08, 2024, 10:26:27 PM
Post by: Herman on January 08, 2024, 10:26:27 PM
You have to mine, somewhere on earth, 500,000 pounds of minerals and rock to make one battery.
North American regulations make mining difficult, so most of it is done elsewhere, polluting those countries. Some mining is done by children. Some is done in places that use slave labor.
Even if those horrors didn't exist, mining itself adds lots of carbon to the air.
If you're worried about C02 emissions, the electric vehicle has emitted 10 to 20 tons of carbon dioxide from the mining, manufacturing and shipping before it even gets to your driveway.
Volkswagen published an honest study [that points out] that the first 60,000 miles or so you're driving an electric vehicle, that electric vehicle will have emitted more carbon dioxide than if you just drove a conventional vehicle.
You would have to drive an electric car 100,000 miles to reduce emissions by just 20% or 30%, which is not nothing, but it's not zero.
North American regulations make mining difficult, so most of it is done elsewhere, polluting those countries. Some mining is done by children. Some is done in places that use slave labor.
Even if those horrors didn't exist, mining itself adds lots of carbon to the air.
If you're worried about C02 emissions, the electric vehicle has emitted 10 to 20 tons of carbon dioxide from the mining, manufacturing and shipping before it even gets to your driveway.
Volkswagen published an honest study [that points out] that the first 60,000 miles or so you're driving an electric vehicle, that electric vehicle will have emitted more carbon dioxide than if you just drove a conventional vehicle.
You would have to drive an electric car 100,000 miles to reduce emissions by just 20% or 30%, which is not nothing, but it's not zero.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Lokmar on January 08, 2024, 10:36:29 PM
Post by: Lokmar on January 08, 2024, 10:36:29 PM
By the end of 2028, you will not be able to purchase anything with a gasoline or LP powered engine in California. BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on January 08, 2024, 10:48:15 PM
Post by: Herman on January 08, 2024, 10:48:15 PM
Quote from: Lokmar on January 08, 2024, 10:36:29 PMBy the end of 2028, you will not be able to purchase anything with a gasoline or LP powered engine in California. BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!I thought it was 2035? In Canada, Justine has mandated that twenty percent of cars are ev in two years. It goes up steadily until it reaches one hundred percent of sales in 2035. It will never happen though.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Lokmar on January 09, 2024, 12:05:41 PM
Post by: Lokmar on January 09, 2024, 12:05:41 PM
Quote from: Herman on January 08, 2024, 10:48:15 PMI thought it was 2035? In Canada, Justine has mandated that twenty percent of cars are ev in two years. It goes up steadily until it reaches one hundred percent of sales in 2035. It will never happen though.
I should have stipulated "small engine". For example, emissions from gas and LP powered portable generators go to ZERO after 2028. Cali is SOOOOOOO FUK'd! :crampe:
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Lokmar on January 09, 2024, 12:06:33 PM
Post by: Lokmar on January 09, 2024, 12:06:33 PM
Look up CARB/SORE emissions. What a fukin joke!
https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/news/carb-approves-updated-regulations-requiring-most-new-small-road-engines-be-zero-emission-2024
https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/news/carb-approves-updated-regulations-requiring-most-new-small-road-engines-be-zero-emission-2024
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Brent on January 09, 2024, 02:40:52 PM
Post by: Brent on January 09, 2024, 02:40:52 PM
It takes a lot of energy to charge an electric vehicle.
https://www.facebook.com/reel/282940588039169 (https://www.facebook.com/reel/282940588039169)
https://www.facebook.com/reel/282940588039169 (https://www.facebook.com/reel/282940588039169)
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on January 09, 2024, 09:06:27 PM
Post by: Herman on January 09, 2024, 09:06:27 PM
Quote from: Lokmar on January 09, 2024, 12:05:41 PMI should have stipulated "small engine". For example, emissions from gas and LP powered portable generators go to ZERO after 2028. Cali is SOOOOOOO FUK'd! :crampe:That is different from what Justine is doing.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Lokmar on January 09, 2024, 10:35:16 PM
Post by: Lokmar on January 09, 2024, 10:35:16 PM
Quote from: Brent on January 09, 2024, 02:40:52 PMIt takes a lot of energy to charge an electric vehicle.
https://www.facebook.com/reel/282940588039169 (https://www.facebook.com/reel/282940588039169)
There's a shit ton of crying about wasted heat energy from fossil fuels but no asshole wants to discuss the FACT that power generation transmitted along electrical lines experiences losses even BEFORE getting to the fukin car, let alone heat loss at the car during the charging process.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Brent on January 10, 2024, 06:36:03 PM
Post by: Brent on January 10, 2024, 06:36:03 PM
Quote from: Lokmar on January 09, 2024, 10:35:16 PMThere's a shit ton of crying about wasted heat energy from fossil fuels but no asshole wants to discuss the FACT that power generation transmitted along electrical lines experiences losses even BEFORE getting to the fukin car, let alone heat loss at the car during the charging process.It takes a lot of energy to fast charge a car. That is before any wasted energy.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on January 11, 2024, 11:14:38 AM
Post by: Oerdin on January 11, 2024, 11:14:38 AM
Hertz is selling off at least 1/3rd of its EVs in its rental car fleet due to low demand. They will be replaced with gas powered cars
https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/hertz-selling-20000-evs-from-fleet-to-reinvest-in-gas-powered-vehicles
https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/hertz-selling-20000-evs-from-fleet-to-reinvest-in-gas-powered-vehicles
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Brent on January 11, 2024, 01:59:09 PM
Post by: Brent on January 11, 2024, 01:59:09 PM
Quote from: Oerdin on January 11, 2024, 11:14:38 AMHertz is selling off at least 1/3rd of its EVs in its rental car fleet due to low demand. They will be replaced with gas powered carsCar rental companies are good sources for deals on cars. But, you need a wholesaler's license. They go to auctions.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/hertz-selling-20000-evs-from-fleet-to-reinvest-in-gas-powered-vehicles
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Brent on January 12, 2024, 06:53:06 PM
Post by: Brent on January 12, 2024, 06:53:06 PM
Electric vehicles have not sold well in the used car market in Europe, with consumers fearful of a lack of charging stations and driving distance capabilities of the cars.
A report by independent European outlet Euractiv explained that the largest electric vehicle markets in the European Union have not seen anywhere near the expected numbers for a secondhand, used-car market.
In Germany, which has the most electric vehicles on the continent, used EVs only make up 1.58% of new ownership registrations as of November 2023. This is an increase over 1.23% in 2022.
The figure comes from a group representing German car dealers (ZDK), while other industry groups from Italian and Spanish markets reportedly place their used EV registration rates at less than 1%.
A report by independent European outlet Euractiv explained that the largest electric vehicle markets in the European Union have not seen anywhere near the expected numbers for a secondhand, used-car market.
In Germany, which has the most electric vehicles on the continent, used EVs only make up 1.58% of new ownership registrations as of November 2023. This is an increase over 1.23% in 2022.
The figure comes from a group representing German car dealers (ZDK), while other industry groups from Italian and Spanish markets reportedly place their used EV registration rates at less than 1%.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on January 12, 2024, 11:57:34 PM
Post by: Herman on January 12, 2024, 11:57:34 PM
Quote from: Brent on January 12, 2024, 06:53:06 PMElectric vehicles have not sold well in the used car market in Europe, with consumers fearful of a lack of charging stations and driving distance capabilities of the cars.That makes sense.
A report by independent European outlet Euractiv explained that the largest electric vehicle markets in the European Union have not seen anywhere near the expected numbers for a secondhand, used-car market.
In Germany, which has the most electric vehicles on the continent, used EVs only make up 1.58% of new ownership registrations as of November 2023. This is an increase over 1.23% in 2022.
The figure comes from a group representing German car dealers (ZDK), while other industry groups from Italian and Spanish markets reportedly place their used EV registration rates at less than 1%.
Hertz plans to sell one third of ev fleet in shift back intercombustion engine vehicles. There are blaming weak demand and high repair costs.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on January 14, 2024, 01:10:38 AM
Post by: Herman on January 14, 2024, 01:10:38 AM
The government of Alberta needs ev owners not to plug in their cars in this deep freeze. :crampe:
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on January 14, 2024, 11:55:13 AM
Post by: Oerdin on January 14, 2024, 11:55:13 AM
Quote from: Lokmar on January 09, 2024, 12:06:33 PMLook up CARB/SORE emissions. What a fukin joke!
https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/news/carb-approves-updated-regulations-requiring-most-new-small-road-engines-be-zero-emission-2024
I will have to buy a back up generator before then, I guess.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on January 15, 2024, 11:01:43 AM
Post by: Oerdin on January 15, 2024, 11:01:43 AM
Quote from: Brent on January 11, 2024, 01:59:09 PMCar rental companies are good sources for deals on cars. But, you need a wholesaler's license. They go to auctions.
Around here several of them opened their own retail lots.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on January 15, 2024, 11:02:45 AM
Post by: Oerdin on January 15, 2024, 11:02:45 AM
Example.
https://www.hertzcarsales.com/san-diego.htm?ddcref=fluency&tcdcmpid=1374660&tcdadid=&tcdkwid=&mkwid=&crid=&mp_kw=&mp_mt=&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAiAzJOtBhALEiwAtwj8tt_ymqAquCtxV9X-eoa6WGulDnRLzbiAPCOINUdcXLeMxI6trvu63RoCB_AQAvD_BwE
https://www.hertzcarsales.com/san-diego.htm?ddcref=fluency&tcdcmpid=1374660&tcdadid=&tcdkwid=&mkwid=&crid=&mp_kw=&mp_mt=&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAiAzJOtBhALEiwAtwj8tt_ymqAquCtxV9X-eoa6WGulDnRLzbiAPCOINUdcXLeMxI6trvu63RoCB_AQAvD_BwE
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Brent on January 15, 2024, 06:56:16 PM
Post by: Brent on January 15, 2024, 06:56:16 PM
Quote from: Oerdin on January 15, 2024, 11:01:43 AMAround here several of them opened their own retail lots.I have never heard of that anywhere in Canada.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Frood on January 15, 2024, 07:20:40 PM
Post by: Frood on January 15, 2024, 07:20:40 PM
Quote from: Oerdin on January 14, 2024, 11:55:13 AMI will have to buy a back up generator before then, I guess.
Any petrol you have squirreled away for your potential generator will go off in well under a year (or quicker if not stored out of UV light). Diesel is longer lasting but the UV rule still applies although bio diesel is pretty easily reproduced versus petrol which is a bit more intensive, but doable. Basic diesel engines are a lot more forgiving too.
If you can't do diesel for whatever reason, be sure to get plenty of petrol fuel stabiliser. Same rule... keep out of sunlight. It will extend the life of your gasoline.
Most small engine retailers and garden centres carry it. Briggs and Stratton have squeeze pods that are pretty popular because of the measuring ease.
If you knew all this, apologies for preaching to the choir.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Lokmar on January 15, 2024, 08:13:21 PM
Post by: Lokmar on January 15, 2024, 08:13:21 PM
A diesel gen is best IF you're preparing for SHTF. For power outtages, NG/LPV is fine.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Thiel on January 15, 2024, 08:24:08 PM
Post by: Thiel on January 15, 2024, 08:24:08 PM
Quote from: Lokmar on January 15, 2024, 08:13:21 PMA diesel gen is best IF you're preparing for SHTF. For power outtages, NG/LPV is fine.Would you mind explaining what SHTF and NG/LPV mean.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Lokmar on January 15, 2024, 09:10:13 PM
Post by: Lokmar on January 15, 2024, 09:10:13 PM
Quote from: Thiel on January 15, 2024, 08:24:08 PMWould you mind explaining what SHTF and NG/LPV mean.
Sure. NG/LPV is natural gas OR LP vapor (LP=liquid propane). These fuel sources are reliable for short term emergency needs.
SHTF is shit hits the fan. In situations like SHTF, the natural gas supply will be cut off. Diesel engines can run off improvised fuel such as converted french fry grease and motor oil. In a SHTF scenario, people will be able to run diesel engines much more frequently than NG/LPV.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Frood on January 15, 2024, 09:13:23 PM
Post by: Frood on January 15, 2024, 09:13:23 PM
LPV might be what the rest of the world knows as LPG (liquid petroleum gas).
Tomato, potato....
Tomato, potato....
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Lokmar on January 15, 2024, 09:15:53 PM
Post by: Lokmar on January 15, 2024, 09:15:53 PM
Quote from: Frood on January 15, 2024, 09:13:23 PMLPV might be what the rest of the world knows as LPG (liquid petroleum gas).
Tomato, potato....
Correct. In the power generation world, its important to designate between LP, and LPV.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Frood on January 15, 2024, 09:22:12 PM
Post by: Frood on January 15, 2024, 09:22:12 PM
Quote from: Lokmar on January 15, 2024, 09:15:53 PMCorrect. In the power generation world, its important to designate between LP, and LPV.
Many places abroad designate it as either Natural Gas or Liquid Petroleum Gas.... then you have inventors with their proprietary fuel burning devices who mix up all that and more, and mass market the convenience in small bottles for smaller creations. Some do both, or all... like camp stoves... some are critically stuck to one path or another.
I like options though, and purchase accordingly.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Lokmar on January 15, 2024, 09:27:52 PM
Post by: Lokmar on January 15, 2024, 09:27:52 PM
Quote from: Frood on January 15, 2024, 09:22:12 PMMany places abroad designate it as either Natural Gas or Liquid Petroleum Gas.... then you have inventors with their proprietary fuel burning devices who mix up all that and more, and mass market the convenience in small bottles for smaller creations. Some do both, or all... like camp stoves... some are critically stuck to one path or another.
I like options though, and purchase accordingly.
All generators burn vapor but it's important to know if the gen has a vapor mixer OR a vaporizer and THEN a vapor mixer. That determines what equipment is needed to connect the fuel source to the gen. If you run a liquid line to a LPV gen, it wont run.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on January 15, 2024, 09:41:16 PM
Post by: Oerdin on January 15, 2024, 09:41:16 PM
Quote from: Brent on January 15, 2024, 06:56:16 PMI have never heard of that anywhere in Canada.
It has been going on decades here. Maybe a difference on laws.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Frood on January 15, 2024, 09:45:11 PM
Post by: Frood on January 15, 2024, 09:45:11 PM
Quote from: Lokmar on January 15, 2024, 09:27:52 PMAll generators burn vapor but it's important to know if the gen has a vapor mixer OR a vaporizer and THEN a vapor mixer. That determines what equipment is needed to connect the fuel source to the gen. If you run a liquid line to a LPV gen, it wont run.
Yup, but I was more talking about mixes for climate and altitudes.
I carry 6 stoves in my vehicle... 1 is a Solo so not pertinent to this conversation, but the others rely on straight LPG/NG (with adaptations) or gas (vapour) mixes. One is completely liquid and does a few.
I must admit, I prefer the ease of using various small mix canisters to do a short job in peaceful times but for longer stays, nothing beats a 3-4-9 kilo bottle of whatever is on hand.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Brent on January 16, 2024, 07:17:44 PM
Post by: Brent on January 16, 2024, 07:17:44 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzrUkgbVoro
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Thiel on January 16, 2024, 08:24:13 PM
Post by: Thiel on January 16, 2024, 08:24:13 PM
Quote from: Lokmar on January 15, 2024, 09:10:13 PMSure. NG/LPV is natural gas OR LP vapor (LP=liquid propane). These fuel sources are reliable for short term emergency needs.LOL, thanks.
SHTF is shit hits the fan. In situations like SHTF, the natural gas supply will be cut off. Diesel engines can run off improvised fuel such as converted french fry grease and motor oil. In a SHTF scenario, people will be able to run diesel engines much more frequently than NG/LPV.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oliver the Second on January 19, 2024, 10:25:17 PM
Post by: Oliver the Second on January 19, 2024, 10:25:17 PM
Ford cuts F-150 Lightning production as EV demand softens
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Ford Motors said on Friday it would reduce production of its F-150 Lightning pickup truck, as demand for electric vehicles has been lower than expected.
The No. 2 U.S. automaker said it would cut production at its Michigan Rouge Electric Vehicle Center to one shift starting April 1. In October, the automaker said it would temporarily cut one of three shifts at the Michigan plant that builds the electric F-150 Lightning pickup truck.
"We are taking advantage of our manufacturing flexibility to offer customers choices while balancing our growth and profitability," said Ford CEO Jim Farley in a statement.
The announcement is the latest sign of slowing demand for EV trucks. General Motors in October postponed the opening of a $4 billion electric truck plant in Michigan for a year.
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/ford-reduce-f-150-lightning-production-2024-01-19/
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Ford Motors said on Friday it would reduce production of its F-150 Lightning pickup truck, as demand for electric vehicles has been lower than expected.
The No. 2 U.S. automaker said it would cut production at its Michigan Rouge Electric Vehicle Center to one shift starting April 1. In October, the automaker said it would temporarily cut one of three shifts at the Michigan plant that builds the electric F-150 Lightning pickup truck.
"We are taking advantage of our manufacturing flexibility to offer customers choices while balancing our growth and profitability," said Ford CEO Jim Farley in a statement.
The announcement is the latest sign of slowing demand for EV trucks. General Motors in October postponed the opening of a $4 billion electric truck plant in Michigan for a year.
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/ford-reduce-f-150-lightning-production-2024-01-19/
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on January 19, 2024, 11:24:12 PM
Post by: Herman on January 19, 2024, 11:24:12 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxAnx9pKcy8
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Thiel on January 20, 2024, 07:47:03 PM
Post by: Thiel on January 20, 2024, 07:47:03 PM
The federal Liberals may be willing to risk hundreds of billions of your tax dollars and mine for manufacturing subsidies, purchase subsidies and EV infrastructure to try to force a market for electrics into existence, but Canadians are just not ready to get rid of their internal combustion engines (ICEs). And with good reason.
I read about someone in northern Manitoba. He has a Ford Lightning (the fully electric version of the F-150 pickup). When the temperature fell to -40C last week, his truck's range dropped by half after driving it just 18 kms. He was forced to abandon his work-related trip so he could return home before the charge ran out and he found himself stranded quite literally in the middle of nowhere without heat in the cab.
Another person, this one from Winnipeg, found that not only was his range severely reduced by the cold, but charging time was doubled. His wait at a public fast-charger was two hours instead of one because he had to keep the heat on in his Tesla.
Many charging stations across the country have also been reported to stop working in the extreme cold.
Since this is a country that experiences extreme cold (below -25C) most winters, that makes an EV an unacceptable risk, or at the very least a horrible inconvenience.
Also this week, the highly respected testing magazine, Consumer Reports, said that when temperatures are only as cold as +7C, EVs lose about 25% of their range compared to temperatures of +15C and a third when compared to temps of +25C.
Additionally, Consumer Reports (CR) found that "short trips in the cold with frequent stops and the need to reheat the cabin after a parking pause saps 50% of the range." That means EVs may be impractical in Canada even for urban commuters or suburban families.
Late last year, CR also concluded EVs are 73% less reliable than gasoline vehicles. As well, they were more expensive to maintain and repair. And when the costs of electricity and home chargers are included, EVs are at least as expensive as gasoline vehicles to refuel.
That puts the lie to Guilbeault's claim (made in December when announcing his mandate that all new vehicles be EVs by 2035) that while EVs are more expensive to buy, once consumers drive them off the lot, they become much more affordable than gasoline or diesel vehicles.
Not only are EVs more expensive to buy and maintain, because of their weight, they chew through tires about 40% faster. They are more expensive to insure because they cost so much more to repair if they are involved in an accident. They depreciate faster than ICEs. And their batteries lose up to half of their life in four or five years, even if they are fully charged.
All of this explains why car-rental giant, Hertz, announced earlier this month that it was selling its EV fleet – 20,000 cars. They are just too expensive.
Electric vehicles may not be that good for the environment, either.
Many components are, of course, manufactured in China (or by Chinese companies operating elsewhere) using electricity from coal-fired power plants. And this week, Blacklock's Reporter revealed the federal Fisheries department is reviewing Northvolt, the Swedish battery maker building a heavily-subsidized plant in Quebec, for potential harm to fisheries, wetlands and streams.
The Liberals' EV mandate is a very, very expensive farce that will likely produce few, if any, environmental benefits.
I read about someone in northern Manitoba. He has a Ford Lightning (the fully electric version of the F-150 pickup). When the temperature fell to -40C last week, his truck's range dropped by half after driving it just 18 kms. He was forced to abandon his work-related trip so he could return home before the charge ran out and he found himself stranded quite literally in the middle of nowhere without heat in the cab.
Another person, this one from Winnipeg, found that not only was his range severely reduced by the cold, but charging time was doubled. His wait at a public fast-charger was two hours instead of one because he had to keep the heat on in his Tesla.
Many charging stations across the country have also been reported to stop working in the extreme cold.
Since this is a country that experiences extreme cold (below -25C) most winters, that makes an EV an unacceptable risk, or at the very least a horrible inconvenience.
Also this week, the highly respected testing magazine, Consumer Reports, said that when temperatures are only as cold as +7C, EVs lose about 25% of their range compared to temperatures of +15C and a third when compared to temps of +25C.
Additionally, Consumer Reports (CR) found that "short trips in the cold with frequent stops and the need to reheat the cabin after a parking pause saps 50% of the range." That means EVs may be impractical in Canada even for urban commuters or suburban families.
Late last year, CR also concluded EVs are 73% less reliable than gasoline vehicles. As well, they were more expensive to maintain and repair. And when the costs of electricity and home chargers are included, EVs are at least as expensive as gasoline vehicles to refuel.
That puts the lie to Guilbeault's claim (made in December when announcing his mandate that all new vehicles be EVs by 2035) that while EVs are more expensive to buy, once consumers drive them off the lot, they become much more affordable than gasoline or diesel vehicles.
Not only are EVs more expensive to buy and maintain, because of their weight, they chew through tires about 40% faster. They are more expensive to insure because they cost so much more to repair if they are involved in an accident. They depreciate faster than ICEs. And their batteries lose up to half of their life in four or five years, even if they are fully charged.
All of this explains why car-rental giant, Hertz, announced earlier this month that it was selling its EV fleet – 20,000 cars. They are just too expensive.
Electric vehicles may not be that good for the environment, either.
Many components are, of course, manufactured in China (or by Chinese companies operating elsewhere) using electricity from coal-fired power plants. And this week, Blacklock's Reporter revealed the federal Fisheries department is reviewing Northvolt, the Swedish battery maker building a heavily-subsidized plant in Quebec, for potential harm to fisheries, wetlands and streams.
The Liberals' EV mandate is a very, very expensive farce that will likely produce few, if any, environmental benefits.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on January 21, 2024, 02:49:10 PM
Post by: DKG on January 21, 2024, 02:49:10 PM
Don't gamble with our electricity supply
The recent cold snap across Canada has pointed out yet again — as if Canadians living in the coldest country on earth didn't already know — that's it's a bad idea to play Russian roulette with Canada's electricity sector in the pursuit of "green energy."
Wind and solar power can't provide base load power to the electricity grid on demand and won't be able to until the technology of battery storage is capable of powering industrialized economies.
Any province increasing its reliance on wind and solar energy has to be careful to have back-up forms of power that it can ramp up quickly to meet sudden spikes in demand for power, such as natural gas plants.
Canada's electricity sector is a minor player in the federal government's ideologically driven plan to have it achieve net zero emissions by 2035.
Generating electricity is the second-lowest emitter of greenhouse gases in the seven major sectors of the Canadian economy that produce them.
In 2021, the last year for which federal data is available, it produced 51.7 million tonnes (MT) of emissions, a 56% drop from the 117.6 MT it produced in 2005.
Recklessly changing the energy mix needed to supply reliable electricity in pursuit of ideologically-driven climate goals, risks blackouts and driving up the cost of electricity.
Similarly, upgrading electricity systems across Canada — the responsibility of the provinces — given Ottawa's target of making 100% of all new car sales in Canada EVs by 2035, will not only be expensive but must be done carefully to ensure adequate electricity supply.
It's the easiest thing in the world for governments to announce targets for reducing greenhouse gas emissions years down the road.
The hard work comes in attempting to achieve those goals without undermining the stability and reliability of the entire electricity system.
The priority must be ensuring Canadians have a reliable supply of affordable electricity in the pursuit of lower emissions.
https://torontosun.com/opinion/editorials/editorial-dont-gamble-with-our-electricity-supply
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on January 23, 2024, 07:29:21 AM
Post by: DKG on January 23, 2024, 07:29:21 AM
Asheville, North Carolina, is looking to reinvest in biodiesel-powered buses after investing millions of dollars in an electric fleet that is only partly operable, WLOS reported.
Cities across America are starting to regret their massive electric bus investments as they continue to pour funds into costly, time-consuming repairs.
Asheville purchased five Proterra electric buses in 2018 for $5 million. Since then, the city has spent more than $200,000 to build vehicle chargers. Additionally, Asheville spends $118,000 annually for the contract to lease the buses' batteries and another $45,481 to charge the vehicles, according to Asheville's interim transportation director, Jessica Morriss.
"f you added that altogether, I think, probably $900,000 to $1 million is what each one cost. And, since then, we've had to invest additional money into maintaining them and fixing them," she added.
Cities across America are starting to regret their massive electric bus investments as they continue to pour funds into costly, time-consuming repairs.
Asheville purchased five Proterra electric buses in 2018 for $5 million. Since then, the city has spent more than $200,000 to build vehicle chargers. Additionally, Asheville spends $118,000 annually for the contract to lease the buses' batteries and another $45,481 to charge the vehicles, according to Asheville's interim transportation director, Jessica Morriss.
"f you added that altogether, I think, probably $900,000 to $1 million is what each one cost. And, since then, we've had to invest additional money into maintaining them and fixing them," she added.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on January 23, 2024, 07:58:06 AM
Post by: DKG on January 23, 2024, 07:58:06 AM
Morgan Stanley warns EV momentum is 'stalling' — and lists 7 reasons Tesla should be worried
1. Price cuts
Tesla kept an edge over its competitors in 2023 by driving down average EV prices with a slew of price cuts — made possible by Tesla's industry-leading profit margins. Heading into the fourth quarter of 2023, Tesla's margins still outpaced its competitors, though the gap was closing.
Jonas points to German Tesla price cuts as a warning sign for the year ahead. The reductions came days after Tesla announced production cuts in Berlin, a move that typically has a positive impact on pricing.
2. Waning EV incentives
Tesla is quickly running out of government incentive programs for potential shoppers, particularly in the US. Earlier this month, the list of vehicles eligible for up to $7,500 in tax credits dwindled to just 13 cars, of which only three are Tesla models.
Jonas and his team, who remain bullish on Tesla shares with a new price target of $345, are expecting more pullbacks like this in other countries as governments assess budgets in 2024.
3. Uncertain EV residual values
The mix of discounts and government incentives that helped Tesla keep its lead in the EV market this year is likely to have longer-term negative effects on pricing for the brand.
"Residual value volatility hurts the value proposition for consumers and creates uncertainty around leasing partners who don't want to hold the risk," Jonas wrote.
Electric cars already have some of the worst resale values in the automotive industry, though Tesla leads this pack with the Model 3's residual value.
4. EVs are losing favor among fleet buyers
Tesla was a recent high-profile victim of fleet buyers moving away from EV commitments. Car-rental company Hertz, which initially raised much fanfare over its partnership with Tesla, said earlier this month it would sell off a third of its global EV fleet and replace those vehicles with gas-powered cars.
That spells trouble for Tesla's volumes, as fleet sales are often used as a dumping ground for vehicles with more supply than demand.
5. Political risks in the 2024 Presidential election
EVs have enjoyed four years of government support and incentives under the Biden Administration, which initially bolstered the industry's commitment to battery-powered cars. However, a looming rematch between Biden and former President Donald Trump has investors worried about future support for Biden's clean energy incentives.
"Any potential rollback of EV incentives would be an impediment for the pace of EV adoption," Jonas wrote.
6. Production capacity in China
A supply and demand imbalance for electric vehicles appears poised to hit China this year after a sprint to the finish in 2023 and the expiration of some key local stimulus measures, Jonas wrote.
This imbalance is already playing out on a smaller scale in the US, with several executives pulling back on future EV ambitions recently.
7. Slowing EV exports out of China
Related to China's looming overcapacity issue, the country's government said this month it would rein in EV exports and crack down on "blind" production of electric cars.
Anecdotally, Jonas also pointed to rumblings that customers are returning to gas-powered cars and shifting away from EVs while interested EV buyers become more intrigued by used electric cars.
1. Price cuts
Tesla kept an edge over its competitors in 2023 by driving down average EV prices with a slew of price cuts — made possible by Tesla's industry-leading profit margins. Heading into the fourth quarter of 2023, Tesla's margins still outpaced its competitors, though the gap was closing.
Jonas points to German Tesla price cuts as a warning sign for the year ahead. The reductions came days after Tesla announced production cuts in Berlin, a move that typically has a positive impact on pricing.
2. Waning EV incentives
Tesla is quickly running out of government incentive programs for potential shoppers, particularly in the US. Earlier this month, the list of vehicles eligible for up to $7,500 in tax credits dwindled to just 13 cars, of which only three are Tesla models.
Jonas and his team, who remain bullish on Tesla shares with a new price target of $345, are expecting more pullbacks like this in other countries as governments assess budgets in 2024.
3. Uncertain EV residual values
The mix of discounts and government incentives that helped Tesla keep its lead in the EV market this year is likely to have longer-term negative effects on pricing for the brand.
"Residual value volatility hurts the value proposition for consumers and creates uncertainty around leasing partners who don't want to hold the risk," Jonas wrote.
Electric cars already have some of the worst resale values in the automotive industry, though Tesla leads this pack with the Model 3's residual value.
4. EVs are losing favor among fleet buyers
Tesla was a recent high-profile victim of fleet buyers moving away from EV commitments. Car-rental company Hertz, which initially raised much fanfare over its partnership with Tesla, said earlier this month it would sell off a third of its global EV fleet and replace those vehicles with gas-powered cars.
That spells trouble for Tesla's volumes, as fleet sales are often used as a dumping ground for vehicles with more supply than demand.
5. Political risks in the 2024 Presidential election
EVs have enjoyed four years of government support and incentives under the Biden Administration, which initially bolstered the industry's commitment to battery-powered cars. However, a looming rematch between Biden and former President Donald Trump has investors worried about future support for Biden's clean energy incentives.
"Any potential rollback of EV incentives would be an impediment for the pace of EV adoption," Jonas wrote.
6. Production capacity in China
A supply and demand imbalance for electric vehicles appears poised to hit China this year after a sprint to the finish in 2023 and the expiration of some key local stimulus measures, Jonas wrote.
This imbalance is already playing out on a smaller scale in the US, with several executives pulling back on future EV ambitions recently.
7. Slowing EV exports out of China
Related to China's looming overcapacity issue, the country's government said this month it would rein in EV exports and crack down on "blind" production of electric cars.
Anecdotally, Jonas also pointed to rumblings that customers are returning to gas-powered cars and shifting away from EVs while interested EV buyers become more intrigued by used electric cars.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Lokmar on January 23, 2024, 10:49:49 AM
Post by: Lokmar on January 23, 2024, 10:49:49 AM
They forced everyone into SUV's and people accepted it. They thought the same would happen with EV's.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Brent on January 23, 2024, 06:57:44 PM
Post by: Brent on January 23, 2024, 06:57:44 PM
Quote from: Lokmar on January 23, 2024, 10:49:49 AMThey forced everyone into SUV's and people accepted it. They thought the same would happen with EV's.I have never owned an SUV. My wife has.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Brent on January 23, 2024, 07:17:44 PM
Post by: Brent on January 23, 2024, 07:17:44 PM
The Washington state House has passed a bill that would effectively end the use of natural gas in new buildings as part of a larger attempt to move toward full electrification in an "equitable" manner.
On Tuesday, the House, which is controlled by Democrats, passed HB1589, also referred to as the Washington Decarbonization Act for Large Combination Utilities. The bill would prohibit any company serving at least 500,000 natural gas customers from providing natural gas service to any commercial or residential building that did not receive or apply for natural gas services by June 30 of last year.
While the bill technically addresses all such large natural gas companies, it would mainly affect Puget Sound Energy, which serves over 900,000 natural gas and 1.2 million electricity customers, according to its website. Should HB1589 be signed into law, PSE would no longer be required to provide natural gas to its existing customers as mandated by current state law, reports claim.
On Tuesday, the House, which is controlled by Democrats, passed HB1589, also referred to as the Washington Decarbonization Act for Large Combination Utilities. The bill would prohibit any company serving at least 500,000 natural gas customers from providing natural gas service to any commercial or residential building that did not receive or apply for natural gas services by June 30 of last year.
While the bill technically addresses all such large natural gas companies, it would mainly affect Puget Sound Energy, which serves over 900,000 natural gas and 1.2 million electricity customers, according to its website. Should HB1589 be signed into law, PSE would no longer be required to provide natural gas to its existing customers as mandated by current state law, reports claim.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Thiel on January 23, 2024, 08:31:27 PM
Post by: Thiel on January 23, 2024, 08:31:27 PM
The two week long deep freeze across much of this continent meant electric buses were not running in most affected cities.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Lokmar on January 23, 2024, 10:51:29 PM
Post by: Lokmar on January 23, 2024, 10:51:29 PM
Shit that runs on CNG is fucked in the extreme cold too.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on January 23, 2024, 10:58:47 PM
Post by: Herman on January 23, 2024, 10:58:47 PM
Quote from: Thiel on January 23, 2024, 08:31:27 PMThe two week long deep freeze across much of this continent meant electric buses were not running in most affected cities.The media tried to bury it, but I found it too. Most of Canada's overpriced electric bus fleet doesn't leave transit garages in the winter. What a waste of our money.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Thiel on January 24, 2024, 08:35:58 PM
Post by: Thiel on January 24, 2024, 08:35:58 PM
Quote from: Herman on January 23, 2024, 10:58:47 PMThe media tried to bury it, but I found it too. Most of Canada's overpriced electric bus fleet doesn't leave transit garages in the winter. What a waste of our money.That is hardly shocking.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Brent on January 27, 2024, 07:31:55 PM
Post by: Brent on January 27, 2024, 07:31:55 PM
The power required for the megacharger to fill a Tesla truck battery in just 30 minutes is 1,600 kilowatts. That's the equivalent of providing power for 3,000 to 4,000 "average" houses.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Lokmar on January 27, 2024, 07:58:56 PM
Post by: Lokmar on January 27, 2024, 07:58:56 PM
Quote from: Brent on January 27, 2024, 07:31:55 PMThe power required for the megacharger to fill a Tesla truck battery in just 30 minutes is 1,600 kilowatts. That's the equivalent of providing power for 3,000 to 4,000 "average" houses.
To give everyone a perspective in size, here's the engine it takes to power 2000KW
https://www.foxnews.com/auto/cummins-hedgehog-is-a-real-big-engine
The whole ass generator is about the size of a decent living room but with a 10' ceiling. You can walk around inside the enclosure.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Thiel on January 27, 2024, 09:47:06 PM
Post by: Thiel on January 27, 2024, 09:47:06 PM
Quote from: Lokmar on January 27, 2024, 07:58:56 PMTo give everyone a perspective in size, here's the engine it takes to power 2000KWThe equivalent of one of them can power just one Tesla truck battery in 30 minutes. That is not a very efficient use of electricity.
https://www.foxnews.com/auto/cummins-hedgehog-is-a-real-big-engine
The whole ass generator is about the size of a decent living room but with a 10' ceiling. You can walk around inside the enclosure.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oliver the Second on February 01, 2024, 04:58:00 PM
Post by: Oliver the Second on February 01, 2024, 04:58:00 PM
Volvo, An Early Electric Car Adopter, Cuts Off Funding For Its EV Affiliate
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STOCKHOLM--Volvo Car said it won't provide further funding to Polestar, the electric-car maker it created with Volvo's Chinese owner Geely--the latest EV retrenchment by the global auto industry.
The auto industry's pivot to electric vehicles has been rocked by setbacks this year, just as a flood of new battery-powered models is hitting showrooms.
Earlier this week, French automaker Renault said it has decided to cancel the initial public offering of its electric-car unit Ampere. Ford, meanwhile, has slashed production of its electric F-150 Lightning, a pickup truck that has generated major buzz since its launch. Rental-car firm Hertz has said it was dumping about one-third of its EV rental car fleet, replacing the cars with gas-engine vehicles.
Also earlier this week, Tesla--the world's most valuable automaker--warned of notably lower growth this year. Data earlier this year has shown a slowdown in EV sales growth in the U.S., automakers delaying or cutting back on plans and anxiety rising among dealership owners.
In a sign of investor unease about automakers' march toward an EV future, Volvo shares surged more than 20% Thursday on its decision to cut off funding to Polestar.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/volvo-an-early-electric-car-adopter-cuts-off-funding-for-ev-affiliate-polestar-3rd-update-e3b419a5
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Brent on February 01, 2024, 06:35:09 PM
Post by: Brent on February 01, 2024, 06:35:09 PM
Quote from: Oliver the Second on February 01, 2024, 04:58:00 PMVolvo, An Early Electric Car Adopter, Cuts Off Funding For Its EV AffiliateAfter we leave Canada, I am considering an electric car or a pair of electric scooters.
(https://i.imgflip.com/xtnw7.jpg)
STOCKHOLM--Volvo Car said it won't provide further funding to Polestar, the electric-car maker it created with Volvo's Chinese owner Geely--the latest EV retrenchment by the global auto industry.
The auto industry's pivot to electric vehicles has been rocked by setbacks this year, just as a flood of new battery-powered models is hitting showrooms.
Earlier this week, French automaker Renault said it has decided to cancel the initial public offering of its electric-car unit Ampere. Ford, meanwhile, has slashed production of its electric F-150 Lightning, a pickup truck that has generated major buzz since its launch. Rental-car firm Hertz has said it was dumping about one-third of its EV rental car fleet, replacing the cars with gas-engine vehicles.
Also earlier this week, Tesla--the world's most valuable automaker--warned of notably lower growth this year. Data earlier this year has shown a slowdown in EV sales growth in the U.S., automakers delaying or cutting back on plans and anxiety rising among dealership owners.
In a sign of investor unease about automakers' march toward an EV future, Volvo shares surged more than 20% Thursday on its decision to cut off funding to Polestar.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/volvo-an-early-electric-car-adopter-cuts-off-funding-for-ev-affiliate-polestar-3rd-update-e3b419a5
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on February 03, 2024, 01:44:32 PM
Post by: Oerdin on February 03, 2024, 01:44:32 PM
https://youtube.com/shorts/wTpL0E_Kn5I?si=LVyik1sVtmI6umxd
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Brent on February 03, 2024, 02:02:35 PM
Post by: Brent on February 03, 2024, 02:02:35 PM
Quote from: Oerdin on February 03, 2024, 01:44:32 PMhttps://youtube.com/shorts/wTpL0E_Kn5I?si=LVyik1sVtmI6umxdI don't know if we will buy a car or not after we leave Canada. We are looking objectively at ice vehicles, hybrids and ev's.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on February 03, 2024, 02:21:03 PM
Post by: Oerdin on February 03, 2024, 02:21:03 PM
Where are you moving to?
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on February 10, 2024, 12:13:30 AM
Post by: Herman on February 10, 2024, 12:13:30 AM
Alberta spent hundreds of millions of tax dollars on wind. Last month they had to buy electricity from us. We produce power from coal.
https://edmontonsun.com/opinion/columnists/gunter-so-called-green-energy-cant-meet-demands-of-today-or-the-foreseeable-future
During last month's electricity alert, alternate energy (mostly wind and solar) was one of the big reasons Alberta came close to rolling blackouts. "Green" energy just isn't reliable enough, at least not with current technologies.
During our January cold snap, wind turbines got brittle and had to be turned off so their blades wouldn't. At peak demand in mid-January, the province's nearly 50 wind farms were contributing just 0.4 per cent of Alberta's total requirement.
Natural gas was contributing 94 per cent, even though two of our larger natural gas power plants were out of commission.
But alternate energies aren't just unreliable when they're needed most — in deep, deep cold spells. Since the beginning of the month, there has been very little wind in southern Alberta where the bulk of our turbines are.
At any moment, Alberta's homes and businesses are using around 11,000 megawatts of power. There are enough turbines in the province to generate 4,481 megawatts, about 41 per cent. But I never recall a time when wind power maxed out.
Most of the time, wind's contribution to the grid is under 1,000 megawatts. And since Feb. 1, there have been several times when wind was supplying under 10 megawatts to the grid.
At the time I'm writing this (3 p.m. Thurs. afternoon), all of those extremely expensive turbines that dot southern fields and rangeland were kicking in just two megawatts. That's a minuscule 0.04 per cent of what wind is theoretically capable of delivering — even less than during January's deep-freeze alert.
Also at the time of writing, Albertans were consuming 10,450 MW of electricity, which means wind was responsible for just 0.02 per cent of the province's total electrical needs — next to nothing. Hooking up all the exercise bicycles at all the gyms in the province might provide about that much.
On a Thursday afternoon, when temperatures were fairly mild and power demand was on the low side, wind power couldn't keep up.
It was also an overcast day, so solar power was delivering just 226 megawatts to the grid. That's a measly 2.2 per cent of total consumer demand.
The Trudeau Liberals think they can simply will more wind and solar power into existence. Do they also imagine themselves to have magical powers to command the wind to blow and the sun to shine more?
t's the same with plenty of the Liberals environmental obsessions, such as the electric vehicle mandate and the idea that we can switch our homes from gas furnaces to electric heat pumps.
Last weekend, the Maritimes was hit with a powerful snowstorm. It is in the Maritimes where the Liberals have worked the hardest to convince homeowners to switch to heat pumps.
Yet even before the storm hit its peak of 70 to 100 centimetres of snow, there were scores of complaints from around the eastern provinces of heat pumps clogging with snow and ice, then stopping (because unlike furnaces, heat pumps are installed on the outside homes).
Is it possible there will come a day when "green" power is up to the challenge of a Canadian winter? Maybe. That day hasn't arrived yet.
https://edmontonsun.com/opinion/columnists/gunter-so-called-green-energy-cant-meet-demands-of-today-or-the-foreseeable-future
During last month's electricity alert, alternate energy (mostly wind and solar) was one of the big reasons Alberta came close to rolling blackouts. "Green" energy just isn't reliable enough, at least not with current technologies.
During our January cold snap, wind turbines got brittle and had to be turned off so their blades wouldn't. At peak demand in mid-January, the province's nearly 50 wind farms were contributing just 0.4 per cent of Alberta's total requirement.
Natural gas was contributing 94 per cent, even though two of our larger natural gas power plants were out of commission.
But alternate energies aren't just unreliable when they're needed most — in deep, deep cold spells. Since the beginning of the month, there has been very little wind in southern Alberta where the bulk of our turbines are.
At any moment, Alberta's homes and businesses are using around 11,000 megawatts of power. There are enough turbines in the province to generate 4,481 megawatts, about 41 per cent. But I never recall a time when wind power maxed out.
Most of the time, wind's contribution to the grid is under 1,000 megawatts. And since Feb. 1, there have been several times when wind was supplying under 10 megawatts to the grid.
At the time I'm writing this (3 p.m. Thurs. afternoon), all of those extremely expensive turbines that dot southern fields and rangeland were kicking in just two megawatts. That's a minuscule 0.04 per cent of what wind is theoretically capable of delivering — even less than during January's deep-freeze alert.
Also at the time of writing, Albertans were consuming 10,450 MW of electricity, which means wind was responsible for just 0.02 per cent of the province's total electrical needs — next to nothing. Hooking up all the exercise bicycles at all the gyms in the province might provide about that much.
On a Thursday afternoon, when temperatures were fairly mild and power demand was on the low side, wind power couldn't keep up.
It was also an overcast day, so solar power was delivering just 226 megawatts to the grid. That's a measly 2.2 per cent of total consumer demand.
The Trudeau Liberals think they can simply will more wind and solar power into existence. Do they also imagine themselves to have magical powers to command the wind to blow and the sun to shine more?
t's the same with plenty of the Liberals environmental obsessions, such as the electric vehicle mandate and the idea that we can switch our homes from gas furnaces to electric heat pumps.
Last weekend, the Maritimes was hit with a powerful snowstorm. It is in the Maritimes where the Liberals have worked the hardest to convince homeowners to switch to heat pumps.
Yet even before the storm hit its peak of 70 to 100 centimetres of snow, there were scores of complaints from around the eastern provinces of heat pumps clogging with snow and ice, then stopping (because unlike furnaces, heat pumps are installed on the outside homes).
Is it possible there will come a day when "green" power is up to the challenge of a Canadian winter? Maybe. That day hasn't arrived yet.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on February 10, 2024, 11:23:11 AM
Post by: Oerdin on February 10, 2024, 11:23:11 AM
https://youtu.be/e4M-59gVwys?si=qMk615at4Gy1RfNG
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on February 12, 2024, 07:43:36 AM
Post by: DKG on February 12, 2024, 07:43:36 AM
Quote from: Oerdin on February 10, 2024, 11:23:11 AMhttps://youtu.be/e4M-59gVwys?si=qMk615at4Gy1RfNGThey don't advertise that ev's are a lot heavier than internal combustion engine vehicles. This will increase the severity of accidents.
And then there is the damage to roads from heavier vehicles.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on February 12, 2024, 12:00:45 PM
Post by: Oerdin on February 12, 2024, 12:00:45 PM
Not to mention the fires and explosions.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: formosan on February 12, 2024, 02:27:45 PM
Post by: formosan on February 12, 2024, 02:27:45 PM
Quote from: Oerdin on February 10, 2024, 11:23:11 AMhttps://youtu.be/e4M-59gVwys?si=qMk615at4Gy1RfNG
[/quoteQuote from: Oerdin on February 10, 2024, 11:23:11 AMhttps://youtu.be/e4M-59gVwys?si=qMk615at4Gy1RfNGVery good information Oerdin.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on February 13, 2024, 06:50:13 AM
Post by: DKG on February 13, 2024, 06:50:13 AM
Quote from: Oerdin on February 12, 2024, 12:00:45 PMNot to mention the fires and explosions.That isn't in the brochures either.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on February 17, 2024, 10:08:36 AM
Post by: DKG on February 17, 2024, 10:08:36 AM
The ev fantasy is meeting the reality of increased electricity demand, limited natural resources, and expensive infrastructure.
Germany's dream of 15 million EVs is fading away
Without subsidies, German EV sales set to drop 14% this year
Audi, VW are among those scaling back EV-related ambitions
Zipse has been Berlin: Standing at the front of the room at an auto industry association's new year reception in Berlin last week, BMW chief executive Oliver Zipse had reason to feel vindicated.
Onstage, Transport Minister Volker Wissing was preaching to the crowd of policymakers and industry executives about the importance of "technological openness" in reducing transit emissions.
A singular focus on battery-powered vehicles by policymakers and manufacturers is leaving Germany's most important industry exposed, he said, with a forecast of slumping electric vehicle (EV) demand in Europe's biggest car market hanging over his messagemaking that same point for years, advocating for flexible production lines for combustion, hybrid and even hydrogen-powered cars.
His cautious strategy – which chimes with his predecessor's – was attacked as not aggressive enough on challenging electric leader Tesla Inc.
Now, Zipse appears to have seen into the future. With EV adoption slowing and plug-in hybrids making a return from the sidelines, BMW's careful approach no longer looks like such a bad idea.
"In Germany, demand for EVs does not look good this year," said Jan Burgard, head of automotive consultant Berylls strategy advisers.
"The upper end of the EV market is almost saturated, and there is little on offer in the lower-end �25,000 segment."
After years of surging growth, selling EVs is becoming tougher. Generous government incentives are disappearing in Europe and fewer vehicles qualify for them in the United States.
While a range of new models and commitment-light leasing options have attracted the attention of electric enthusiasts, some years into the EV revolution, infrastructure and price still remain roadblocks to widespread adoption.
In Germany, sales are set to drop 14% this year in response to the government yanking subsidies in December, the first decline since 2016, according to the German Association of the Automotive Industry (VDA) lobbying group.
Globally, market watchers have trimmed forecasts amid the enduring reality that the vehicles are much less affordable than equivalent combustion-engine cars – despite a price war kicked off by Tesla.
Last Thursday's event was an attempt to inject some optimism into an increasingly sombre industry. Wissing praised German carmakers and extolled their technology as "celebrated abroad".
When asked what the government could do to bolster the German EV market, the transport minister offered one thought: "Charging infrastructure."
Yet on this front, Berlin has lagged. In October 2022, Wissing rolled out an ambitious strategy to invest �6.3bil in a nationwide infrastructure that would increase the number of charging stations in Germany to one million in 2030.
That hasn't gone as quickly as planned. As of last September, there were only about 105,000 functional public charging stations in Germany, according to the infrastructure authority.
At the current rate of construction, VDA noted, Germany will need to triple its pace if it wants to hit its 2030 goal.
The charging conundrum, and who pays for it, remains unresolved many years into the EV transition. While policymakers and car industry representatives at the VDA event agreed that charging was key to reigniting interest in EVs, none wanted to say who should finance such an infrastructure expansion – or how.
Rising electricity prices have further tamped down demand, according to a Deutsche Bank analyst note.
The other main challenge for EV uptake is pricing. The coalition must meet its goal of getting 15 million EVs on the road by 2030, or face missing emissions targets. As of November, only about one million – or 2% of all cars – on German roads were fully electric. Without further subsidies, some analysts think hitting the 2030 target will be a challenge.
"I think it's unrealistic from today's perspective to reach 15 million EVs on German roads by 2030," said Burgard, the automotive consultant.
Car makers are already beginning to hedge their bets.
Volkswagen's Audi brand is paring down its EV lineup, and VW is taking a step back from plans to sell stakes in its battery unit. — Bloomberg
https://www.thestar.com.my/business/business-news/2024/02/05/germanys-dream-of-15-million-evs-is-fading-away
Germany's dream of 15 million EVs is fading away
Without subsidies, German EV sales set to drop 14% this year
Audi, VW are among those scaling back EV-related ambitions
Zipse has been Berlin: Standing at the front of the room at an auto industry association's new year reception in Berlin last week, BMW chief executive Oliver Zipse had reason to feel vindicated.
Onstage, Transport Minister Volker Wissing was preaching to the crowd of policymakers and industry executives about the importance of "technological openness" in reducing transit emissions.
A singular focus on battery-powered vehicles by policymakers and manufacturers is leaving Germany's most important industry exposed, he said, with a forecast of slumping electric vehicle (EV) demand in Europe's biggest car market hanging over his messagemaking that same point for years, advocating for flexible production lines for combustion, hybrid and even hydrogen-powered cars.
His cautious strategy – which chimes with his predecessor's – was attacked as not aggressive enough on challenging electric leader Tesla Inc.
Now, Zipse appears to have seen into the future. With EV adoption slowing and plug-in hybrids making a return from the sidelines, BMW's careful approach no longer looks like such a bad idea.
"In Germany, demand for EVs does not look good this year," said Jan Burgard, head of automotive consultant Berylls strategy advisers.
"The upper end of the EV market is almost saturated, and there is little on offer in the lower-end �25,000 segment."
After years of surging growth, selling EVs is becoming tougher. Generous government incentives are disappearing in Europe and fewer vehicles qualify for them in the United States.
While a range of new models and commitment-light leasing options have attracted the attention of electric enthusiasts, some years into the EV revolution, infrastructure and price still remain roadblocks to widespread adoption.
In Germany, sales are set to drop 14% this year in response to the government yanking subsidies in December, the first decline since 2016, according to the German Association of the Automotive Industry (VDA) lobbying group.
Globally, market watchers have trimmed forecasts amid the enduring reality that the vehicles are much less affordable than equivalent combustion-engine cars – despite a price war kicked off by Tesla.
Last Thursday's event was an attempt to inject some optimism into an increasingly sombre industry. Wissing praised German carmakers and extolled their technology as "celebrated abroad".
When asked what the government could do to bolster the German EV market, the transport minister offered one thought: "Charging infrastructure."
Yet on this front, Berlin has lagged. In October 2022, Wissing rolled out an ambitious strategy to invest �6.3bil in a nationwide infrastructure that would increase the number of charging stations in Germany to one million in 2030.
That hasn't gone as quickly as planned. As of last September, there were only about 105,000 functional public charging stations in Germany, according to the infrastructure authority.
At the current rate of construction, VDA noted, Germany will need to triple its pace if it wants to hit its 2030 goal.
The charging conundrum, and who pays for it, remains unresolved many years into the EV transition. While policymakers and car industry representatives at the VDA event agreed that charging was key to reigniting interest in EVs, none wanted to say who should finance such an infrastructure expansion – or how.
Rising electricity prices have further tamped down demand, according to a Deutsche Bank analyst note.
The other main challenge for EV uptake is pricing. The coalition must meet its goal of getting 15 million EVs on the road by 2030, or face missing emissions targets. As of November, only about one million – or 2% of all cars – on German roads were fully electric. Without further subsidies, some analysts think hitting the 2030 target will be a challenge.
"I think it's unrealistic from today's perspective to reach 15 million EVs on German roads by 2030," said Burgard, the automotive consultant.
Car makers are already beginning to hedge their bets.
Volkswagen's Audi brand is paring down its EV lineup, and VW is taking a step back from plans to sell stakes in its battery unit. — Bloomberg
https://www.thestar.com.my/business/business-news/2024/02/05/germanys-dream-of-15-million-evs-is-fading-away
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Shen Li on February 19, 2024, 04:04:30 PM
Post by: Shen Li on February 19, 2024, 04:04:30 PM
EV sales aren't booming like they are supposed to be less than 11 years away from a government ban on new ICE vehicle sales.
QuoteThe Boom in Battery Metals for EVs Is Turning to Bust
hen the world's most valuable lithium company last year announced plans for a $1.3 billion plant in South Carolina, local officials hailed it as transformative for the Palmetto State.
The high-tech project from Charlotte, N.C.-based Albemarle was designed to process different sources of lithium, including from recycled batteries, and serve as a supplier of the critical mineral for South Carolina's burgeoning electric-vehicle industry.
Less than a year later, those plans have been hobbled by a crash in battery metal prices, undercut by a slowdown in electric-vehicle sales growth in the U.S. and China. Albemarle has deferred spending on the project, amid companywide cost-cutting that includes layoffs and delays to other investments as well.
Producers of lithium and nickel, which are used in lithium-ion batteries for EVs, have been stalling projects and closing mines to save cash after a painfully quick fall in commodity prices. Prices of lithium are down as much as 90% since the start of last year, while the price of nickel has roughly halved.
Swiss mining and trading giant Glencore last week said production would be suspended at an unprofitable nickel mine and processing plant in New Caledonia, a French island group in the Pacific that provides more than 6% of the world's supply. It will seek a buyer for its stake in the operation, a decision the company attributed to high operating costs and a weak market.
Days later, BHP Group, the world's biggest miner by market value, said it may need to shutter its Australian nickel business for an unspecified period, cautioning that it doesn't anticipate a quick market recovery. BHP has supply deals with Tesla and Ford Motor.
The world is suddenly awash with the metals after producers ramped up new projects to feed the global EV industry when sales of the vehicles have been losing momentum.
Several automakers, including Ford, General Motors and Volvo, are delaying investments and striking a more cautious tone about the outlook for EV consumer demand. British electric-vehicle maker Arrival's U.K. business filed for bankruptcy this month, citing challenging macroeconomic and market conditions that delayed its products getting to market.
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/markets/the-boom-in-battery-metals-for-evs-is-turning-to-bust/ar-BB1ivynd?ocid=mailsignout&pc=U591&cvid=dec767e2bd6445438612488b40b05649&ei=39
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Thiel on February 19, 2024, 06:38:46 PM
Post by: Thiel on February 19, 2024, 06:38:46 PM
The Biden administration will roll back some of its requirements on emissions from exhaust pipes in what is being reported as a concession to unions and automakers.
The original plan, touted as an ambitious move to combat climate change, involved limiting tailpipe pollution that would have ensured 67% of new passenger vehicles in the United States would be emissions-free by 2032. Another 46% of new medium-duty trucks, which included delivery vans, would be all-electric or some form of zero-emissions, the New York Times reported in April 2023.
Heavy-duty vehicles, including 18-wheelers, were also required to be electric by 2032.
The Environmental Protection Agency used the Clean Air Act to tightly limit the amount of emissions a car manufacturer can produce in total with all of its cars. The limits were so strict that they would have required complete compliance from manufacturers to go fully emissions-free or face billions in fines.
TThe EPA's plan under Biden is set to ease, however, reportedly giving manufacturers a slower timeline to boost their electric vehicle sales before 2030 but still requiring zero emissions by 2032.
This is still unrealistic.
The original plan, touted as an ambitious move to combat climate change, involved limiting tailpipe pollution that would have ensured 67% of new passenger vehicles in the United States would be emissions-free by 2032. Another 46% of new medium-duty trucks, which included delivery vans, would be all-electric or some form of zero-emissions, the New York Times reported in April 2023.
Heavy-duty vehicles, including 18-wheelers, were also required to be electric by 2032.
The Environmental Protection Agency used the Clean Air Act to tightly limit the amount of emissions a car manufacturer can produce in total with all of its cars. The limits were so strict that they would have required complete compliance from manufacturers to go fully emissions-free or face billions in fines.
TThe EPA's plan under Biden is set to ease, however, reportedly giving manufacturers a slower timeline to boost their electric vehicle sales before 2030 but still requiring zero emissions by 2032.
This is still unrealistic.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on February 20, 2024, 08:02:57 AM
Post by: DKG on February 20, 2024, 08:02:57 AM
Quote from: Thiel on February 19, 2024, 06:38:46 PMThe Biden administration will roll back some of its requirements on emissions from exhaust pipes in what is being reported as a concession to unions and automakers.I expect North America to push back the timelines for mandating only EV sales.
The original plan, touted as an ambitious move to combat climate change, involved limiting tailpipe pollution that would have ensured 67% of new passenger vehicles in the United States would be emissions-free by 2032. Another 46% of new medium-duty trucks, which included delivery vans, would be all-electric or some form of zero-emissions, the New York Times reported in April 2023.
Heavy-duty vehicles, including 18-wheelers, were also required to be electric by 2032.
The Environmental Protection Agency used the Clean Air Act to tightly limit the amount of emissions a car manufacturer can produce in total with all of its cars. The limits were so strict that they would have required complete compliance from manufacturers to go fully emissions-free or face billions in fines.
TThe EPA's plan under Biden is set to ease, however, reportedly giving manufacturers a slower timeline to boost their electric vehicle sales before 2030 but still requiring zero emissions by 2032.
This is still unrealistic.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Lokmar on February 20, 2024, 10:20:51 AM
Post by: Lokmar on February 20, 2024, 10:20:51 AM
Quote from: DKG on February 20, 2024, 08:02:57 AMI expect North America to push back the timelines for mandating only EV sales.
Only if Republicans control government.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on February 21, 2024, 05:38:41 AM
Post by: DKG on February 21, 2024, 05:38:41 AM
Quote from: Lokmar on February 20, 2024, 10:20:51 AMOnly if Republicans control government.Even with Dems in control in the US and Liberals in power in Canada, current timelines are not doable and they know it.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Lokmar on February 21, 2024, 09:53:22 AM
Post by: Lokmar on February 21, 2024, 09:53:22 AM
Quote from: DKG on February 21, 2024, 05:38:41 AMEven with Dems in control in the US and Liberals in power in Canada, current timelines are not doable and they know it.
Thats the problem with libtards tho, even if it fails, they'll stick to their failure and have everyone sitting in the dark!
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on February 22, 2024, 05:31:03 AM
Post by: DKG on February 22, 2024, 05:31:03 AM
Quote from: Lokmar on February 21, 2024, 09:53:22 AMThats the problem with libtards tho, even if it fails, they'll stick to their failure and have everyone sitting in the dark!I see some hints of relaxing EV timelines. But, they will stay the course.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Lokmar on February 22, 2024, 10:29:38 AM
Post by: Lokmar on February 22, 2024, 10:29:38 AM
Quote from: DKG on February 22, 2024, 05:31:03 AMI see some hints of relaxing EV timelines. But, they will stay the course.
Red states are and will continue to push back, especially once Trump is in office again. California specifically will only double down on the stupidity. Again, when Trump is back, they will double down out of TDS. They wont GAF if they wind up making everyone walk to work!
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on February 23, 2024, 06:39:35 AM
Post by: DKG on February 23, 2024, 06:39:35 AM
Quote from: Lokmar on February 22, 2024, 10:29:38 AMRed states are and will continue to push back, especially once Trump is in office again. California specifically will only double down on the stupidity. Again, when Trump is back, they will double down out of TDS. They wont GAF if they wind up making everyone walk to work!Even if Trump loses in November, governors like DeSantis and Abbott will not impose bad legislation on the people of their states.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Lokmar on February 23, 2024, 01:16:22 PM
Post by: Lokmar on February 23, 2024, 01:16:22 PM
Quote from: DKG on February 23, 2024, 06:39:35 AMEven if Trump loses in November, governors like DeSantis and Abbott will not impose bad legislation on the people of their states.
Absolutely. Red States wont tolerate this shit but it will be magnitudes easier with Trump back in office!
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on March 03, 2024, 06:56:29 PM
Post by: Herman on March 03, 2024, 06:56:29 PM
Mercedes-Benz is backing off its plan to only sell electric vehicles after 2030, the company said Thursday. It was the latest evidence that the global auto industry is feeling more dour about the all-electric future after a slowdown in sales growth.
It was only three years ago that Mercedes was feeling quite bullish about plug-in powertrains, saying that by 2030 it would only sell EVs. At the time, the company said it would completely phase out gas-powered vehicles, while including the caveat "where markets allowed."
Now it seems that the market is not allowing Mercedes to follow through on its plans. Today, the company said in its fourth quarter earnings statement that it only expects 50 percent of its sales to be all-electric — a significant drop from the once rosier outlook. Gas and hybrid vehicles will remain a part of the company's future for years to come.
It was only three years ago that Mercedes was feeling quite bullish about plug-in powertrains, saying that by 2030 it would only sell EVs. At the time, the company said it would completely phase out gas-powered vehicles, while including the caveat "where markets allowed."
Now it seems that the market is not allowing Mercedes to follow through on its plans. Today, the company said in its fourth quarter earnings statement that it only expects 50 percent of its sales to be all-electric — a significant drop from the once rosier outlook. Gas and hybrid vehicles will remain a part of the company's future for years to come.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on March 04, 2024, 03:38:09 AM
Post by: Oerdin on March 04, 2024, 03:38:09 AM
Communist China is having an EV blood bath. They officially had 92 EV makers but virtually all were losing money before communist China went into economic depression. With the collapse in sales and with the government unable or unwilling to pay such generous subsidies the price war is ferocious with virtually all selling EVs at a lose just hoping to get enough size and volume to survive. The biggest ones have now started exporting but have found few tariff free places to export to. Australia is one bright spot for them but tariffs keep them out of North America (Trump's tariffs from his trade war) while the EU allows sales but also tariffs and so prices are high there. The Mideast, Africa, Latin America, and SE Asia all don't seem very interested in EVs and certainly not unless they are dirt cheap.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on March 04, 2024, 06:23:42 AM
Post by: DKG on March 04, 2024, 06:23:42 AM
Quote from: Oerdin on March 04, 2024, 03:38:09 AMCommunist China is having an EV blood bath. They officially had 92 EV makers but virtually all were losing money before communist China went into economic depression. With the collapse in sales and with the government unable or unwilling to pay such generous subsidies the price war is ferocious with virtually all selling EVs at a lose just hoping to get enough size and volume to survive. The biggest ones have now started exporting but have found few tariff free places to export to. Australia is one bright spot for them but tariffs keep them out of North America (Trump's tariffs from his trade war) while the EU allows sales but also tariffs and so prices are high there. The Mideast, Africa, Latin America, and SE Asia all don't seem very interested in EVs and certainly not unless they are dirt cheap.The global EV market in 2024 is not where progressive leaders though it would be.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Frood on March 04, 2024, 07:15:38 AM
Post by: Frood on March 04, 2024, 07:15:38 AM
Ev's are just unexploded ordinances in waiting.
I've been moving away from lithium batteries and back to AGM's recently for everything but the smallest items like phones and such.
I'm of the belief that these things could be potentially remote triggered and I don't care to fuck around and find out.
I've been moving away from lithium batteries and back to AGM's recently for everything but the smallest items like phones and such.
I'm of the belief that these things could be potentially remote triggered and I don't care to fuck around and find out.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on March 07, 2024, 01:53:52 PM
Post by: Oerdin on March 07, 2024, 01:53:52 PM
No one wants EVs.
https://youtu.be/jHYSB6ZbUTc?si=f0ZHJeuMQZxxHvV1
https://youtu.be/jHYSB6ZbUTc?si=f0ZHJeuMQZxxHvV1
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on March 17, 2024, 11:33:01 PM
Post by: Herman on March 17, 2024, 11:33:01 PM
Panasonic's upcoming 4-million-square-foot battery plant in Kansas uses so much power it needs it's own coal fired power plant. :crampe:
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oliver the Second on March 18, 2024, 09:29:12 PM
Post by: Oliver the Second on March 18, 2024, 09:29:12 PM
Hertz CEO Stephen Scherr resigns after big bet on EVs goes bust
Stephen Scherr will step down as Hertz Global Holdings Inc.'s chief executive officer and member of the company's Board of Directors effective March 31, the company announced Friday. Scherr led Hertz for just over two years after spending nearly three decades at Goldman Sachs.
Scherr's resignation comes as the car rental company struggles with the higher repair costs and low demand for EV rentals.
In January, Hertz announced in financial filings that it had made the "strategic decision" to sell approximately 20,000 EVs from its US fleet, or about one-third of its global EV fleet, and to instead invest in gas-powered cars.
https://nypost.com/2024/03/18/business/hertz-ceo-stephen-scherr-resigns-after-big-bet-on-evs-goes-bust/
Stephen Scherr will step down as Hertz Global Holdings Inc.'s chief executive officer and member of the company's Board of Directors effective March 31, the company announced Friday. Scherr led Hertz for just over two years after spending nearly three decades at Goldman Sachs.
Scherr's resignation comes as the car rental company struggles with the higher repair costs and low demand for EV rentals.
In January, Hertz announced in financial filings that it had made the "strategic decision" to sell approximately 20,000 EVs from its US fleet, or about one-third of its global EV fleet, and to instead invest in gas-powered cars.
https://nypost.com/2024/03/18/business/hertz-ceo-stephen-scherr-resigns-after-big-bet-on-evs-goes-bust/
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oliver the Second on April 29, 2024, 12:19:01 AM
Post by: Oliver the Second on April 29, 2024, 12:19:01 AM
Ford Loses $1.3 Billion on Electric Vehicles in First Quarter of 2024, Delays Plans to Make More
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Ford Motor Company reported a whopping $132,000 loss on each electric vehicle (EV) sold during the first three months of 2024, amassing a $1.3 billion loss.
The auto manufacturer's electric vehicle unit revealed Thursday that they experienced a 20 percent decrease in sales volume and were forced to slash prices due to low consumer demand, CNN reported.
The revenue for Ford's EV car, the Model e, plunged by 84 percent to about $100 million, which the company blamed on EV price cuts across the auto industry.
"That resulted in the $1.3 billion loss before interest and taxes ,and the massive per-vehicle loss in the Model e unit," the publication noted.�
Now, company officials are estimating that their EV division will lose a grand total of $5 billion this year, up from $4.7 billion last year.
https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2024/04/28/ford-loses-1-3-billion-electric-vehicles-first-quarter-2024-delays-plans-make-more/
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on April 29, 2024, 07:10:51 AM
Post by: DKG on April 29, 2024, 07:10:51 AM
Quote from: Oliver the Second on April 29, 2024, 12:19:01 AMFord Loses $1.3 Billion on Electric Vehicles in First Quarter of 2024, Delays Plans to Make MoreThat picture says it all.
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Ford Motor Company reported a whopping $132,000 loss on each electric vehicle (EV) sold during the first three months of 2024, amassing a $1.3 billion loss.
The auto manufacturer's electric vehicle unit revealed Thursday that they experienced a 20 percent decrease in sales volume and were forced to slash prices due to low consumer demand, CNN reported.
The revenue for Ford's EV car, the Model e, plunged by 84 percent to about $100 million, which the company blamed on EV price cuts across the auto industry.
"That resulted in the $1.3 billion loss before interest and taxes ,and the massive per-vehicle loss in the Model e unit," the publication noted.�
Now, company officials are estimating that their EV division will lose a grand total of $5 billion this year, up from $4.7 billion last year.
https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2024/04/28/ford-loses-1-3-billion-electric-vehicles-first-quarter-2024-delays-plans-make-more/
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on May 01, 2024, 03:32:20 AM
Post by: Oerdin on May 01, 2024, 03:32:20 AM
Dangerous garbage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HpkDUWAKFM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HpkDUWAKFM
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on May 01, 2024, 07:12:03 AM
Post by: DKG on May 01, 2024, 07:12:03 AM
Quote from: Oerdin on May 01, 2024, 03:32:20 AMDangerous garbageChina is promoting ev's and their ev's are crap. And dangerous.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HpkDUWAKFM
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on May 23, 2024, 01:05:12 PM
Post by: Oerdin on May 23, 2024, 01:05:12 PM
From local media on a current fire in a utility level battery storage center that no one can put out:
San Diego Firefighters have flown in experts to the Otay Mesa Battery Storage to study the fire because they do not know how to put it out
The Battery storage fire has already used 5 million gallons of water
Firefighters say it will take an additional 7-10 days to put out
They estimate it will take a total of 15-20 million gallons of water to put out
LETHAL amounts of Hydrogen Cyanide were in the air for 3 hours after the Otay Mesa Battery Storage fire began
This project does not belong in a residential area.
You can tell a lot by an elected representative by how they respond to the community. When the fire at the Otay Mesa battery storage facility broke out & La Mesa/San Carlos residents expressed concern. Councilwoman Laura Lothian went to the scene to get info for residents.
San Diego Firefighters have flown in experts to the Otay Mesa Battery Storage to study the fire because they do not know how to put it out
The Battery storage fire has already used 5 million gallons of water
Firefighters say it will take an additional 7-10 days to put out
They estimate it will take a total of 15-20 million gallons of water to put out
LETHAL amounts of Hydrogen Cyanide were in the air for 3 hours after the Otay Mesa Battery Storage fire began
This project does not belong in a residential area.
You can tell a lot by an elected representative by how they respond to the community. When the fire at the Otay Mesa battery storage facility broke out & La Mesa/San Carlos residents expressed concern. Councilwoman Laura Lothian went to the scene to get info for residents.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Brent on May 23, 2024, 01:11:46 PM
Post by: Brent on May 23, 2024, 01:11:46 PM
Quote from: Oerdin on May 23, 2024, 01:05:12 PMFrom local media on a current fire in a utility level battery storage center that no one can put out:So much for clean air.
San Diego Firefighters have flown in experts to the Otay Mesa Battery Storage to study the fire because they do not know how to put it out
The Battery storage fire has already used 5 million gallons of water
Firefighters say it will take an additional 7-10 days to put out
They estimate it will take a total of 15-20 million gallons of water to put out
LETHAL amounts of Hydrogen Cyanide were in the air for 3 hours after the Otay Mesa Battery Storage fire began
This project does not belong in a residential area.
You can tell a lot by an elected representative by how they respond to the community. When the fire at the Otay Mesa battery storage facility broke out & La Mesa/San Carlos residents expressed concern. Councilwoman Laura Lothian went to the scene to get info for residents.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Lokmar on May 23, 2024, 02:25:21 PM
Post by: Lokmar on May 23, 2024, 02:25:21 PM
Quote from: Oerdin on May 23, 2024, 01:05:12 PMFrom local media on a current fire in a utility level battery storage center that no one can put out:
San Diego Firefighters have flown in experts to the Otay Mesa Battery Storage to study the fire because they do not know how to put it out
The Battery storage fire has already used 5 million gallons of water
Firefighters say it will take an additional 7-10 days to put out
They estimate it will take a total of 15-20 million gallons of water to put out
LETHAL amounts of Hydrogen Cyanide were in the air for 3 hours after the Otay Mesa Battery Storage fire began
This project does not belong in a residential area.
You can tell a lot by an elected representative by how they respond to the community. When the fire at the Otay Mesa battery storage facility broke out & La Mesa/San Carlos residents expressed concern. Councilwoman Laura Lothian went to the scene to get info for residents.
She will probably die from exposure.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on May 28, 2024, 08:18:54 PM
Post by: Herman on May 28, 2024, 08:18:54 PM
Ahead of the 2020 election, then-candidate Joe Biden promised the American people in four debates and during his CNN town hall interview that he would build half a million new charging stations across the nation if elected.
After taking the White House, Biden reiterated his promise, stating in November 2021, "We're going to build out the first-ever national network of charging stations all across the country — over 500,000 of them. ... So you'll be able to go across the whole darn country, from East Coast to West Coast, just like you'd stop at a gas station now. These charging stations will be available."
That month, the then-Democrat-controlled Congress passed a corresponding $1 trillion infrastructure package. Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and 18 other Republican lawmakers, evidently unswayed by former President Donald Trump's critiques, subsequently helped Democrats pass the measure in the U.S. Senate.
Of the 1,000 billion taxpayer dollars sunk into the bill, $73 billion was designated for updating the nation's electricity grid so it could carry more renewable energy and $7.5 billion to build Biden's promised EV charging stations by 2030.
According to the EV policy analyst group Atlas Public Policy, the funding designated for the rollout should be enough for at least 20,000 charging spots and 5,000 stations.
Now years into the scheme, it appears increasingly unlikely that Biden's costly promise will materialize.
In March, the Federal Highway Administration confirmed to the Washington Post that only seven of Biden's planned 500,000 EV charging stations were operational, amounting to a total of 38 spots for drivers in Hawaii, New York, Ohio, and Pennsylvania to charge their vehicles.
Politico noted last year that that a National Renewable Energy Laboratory study estimated the country will need 1.2 million public chargers by 2030 to meet the demand artificially created by the Biden administration's climate agenda and corresponding regulations. As of June 2023, there were roughly 180,000 chargers nationwide.
House Committee on Energy and Commerce Chair Cathy McMorris Rodgers (R-Wash.) and other Republican lawmakers penned a February letter to Buttigieg and Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm, expressing concerns that "American taxpayer dollars are being woefully mismanaged."
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on May 31, 2024, 08:23:26 AM
Post by: Oerdin on May 31, 2024, 08:23:26 AM
https://youtu.be/tqcDyHdbYd4?si=vgrAXBYSDpFsughp
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on June 02, 2024, 01:36:44 AM
Post by: Oerdin on June 02, 2024, 01:36:44 AM
https://youtu.be/RVpFuSWkXHs?si=WUTekY6pZTVVFYJk
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on June 02, 2024, 10:18:38 AM
Post by: DKG on June 02, 2024, 10:18:38 AM
Quote from: Oerdin on May 31, 2024, 08:23:26 AMhttps://youtu.be/tqcDyHdbYd4?si=vgrAXBYSDpFsughpMichael Schellengerg is lnowledgeable on climate science without any of the apocalyptic exaggeration.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on June 02, 2024, 10:32:27 AM
Post by: DKG on June 02, 2024, 10:32:27 AM
Quote from: Oerdin on June 02, 2024, 01:36:44 AMhttps://youtu.be/RVpFuSWkXHs?si=WUTekY6pZTVVFYJkZuihan thinks the election is a lock for Biden.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on June 02, 2024, 07:04:37 PM
Post by: Oerdin on June 02, 2024, 07:04:37 PM
Quote from: DKG on June 02, 2024, 10:32:27 AMZuihan thinks the election is a lock for Biden.
His reasoning is unsound on that topic. Not to mention outdated.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on June 03, 2024, 10:54:29 AM
Post by: DKG on June 03, 2024, 10:54:29 AM
Quote from: Oerdin on June 02, 2024, 07:04:37 PMHis reasoning is unsound on that topic. Not to mention outdated.I was surprised by that too.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on June 11, 2024, 10:48:57 PM
Post by: Herman on June 11, 2024, 10:48:57 PM
I got this in an email. I am not sure who wrote it.
t's become common for some politicians to present a transition away from fossil fuels as similar to other historical transitions in which societies abandoned old energy sources in favor of new ones. But this time really is different. Consumers in previous societies embraced new technologies because they afforded easier and cheaper ways to sustain and enhance life.
The contemporary mania is to abandon consumer preference and instead enforce a trade-down to uneconomical but politically favored methods of powering our lives. So it's important to understand just how far the new government mandate and subsidy systems will travel away from economic sense.
In a new study for the National Center for Energy Analytics, Jonathan Lesser considers the expense of just one aspect of the politically directed transition: the changes needed to support a country full of electric-car drivers, beyond the cost of the cars themselves. Mr. Lesser sets the scene:
In their stated efforts to reduce carbon emissions, 18 states (as of this writing) have approved regulations that will require all new vehicle sales to be electric vehicles (EVs) beginning in 2035. Similar mandates have been enacted for heavy trucks, which transport most goods in the country, although they will begin later.
Meanwhile, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency has introduced stringent carbon dioxide emissions standards for new vehicles, which the agency admits can only be met by automakers selling more EVs and fewer gasoline-powered vehicles.
While "make-it-so" mandates may be politically popular, physical and economic realities will ultimately prevail. The move to enforce an all-EV future, regardless of claimed environmental merits (which are hotly disputed), requires infrastructure to support it. However, that means far more than installing charging stations at home and work.
Too little discussion has been devoted to the scale and cost of the infrastructure needed to deliver the electricity to those charging stations. Even if the additional electricity can be supplied, it must still be delivered—and that remains the least-discussed aspect of this new transformation.
Mr. Lesser figures "the physical infrastructure needed to support an all-EV future will entail overall costs ranging between $2 trillion and almost $4 trillion. That is before considering the impact of higher demand on the costs of materials and labor to build it all and also before considering the additional costs to build more electricity generation." He adds:
To enable an EV future that provides the same freedom of movement we enjoy today will require massive upgrades to the entire electrical delivery system. Home chargers, which are called "Level 2" chargers, will require dedicated circuits, like electric stoves and electric clothes dryers do. The main circuit boxes in millions of older homes to which electricity is delivered will need to be upgraded.
To accommodate the increased electricity needed for EV charging (and other electrification goals), electric utilities will also have to upgrade their local distribution systems—the poles and wires running down streets—with millions of larger transformers, thousands (if not millions) of miles of larger wires, and even bigger utility poles to handle the additional weight.
On and on he goes, noting the thousands of miles of new or rewired transmission lines and the millions of tons of specialized metals involved in this proposed undertaking.
Many Americans were chuckling along with Margaret Brennan of CBS recently while listening to Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg try to explain why his multibillion-dollar program had resulted I so few charging stations.. But nobody will be laughing if several zeroes are added to the taxpayer cost of EV virtue signals.
Speaking of the Buttigieg bumbling, some readers through this column should have mentioned the contrast between the federal failure and the speed at which Elon Musk's Tesla has been creating charging stations. But remember Mr. Musk is only one man and on his own cannot persuade all Americans to abandon their gas-powered cars.
The Journal's Jennifer Hiller, Sean McLain and Ryan Felton reported last month:
Tesla's move this week to lay off much of the team responsible for creating the largest and most successful electric-vehicle charging network in the U.S. threw the industry into a state of shock and confusion...
The upheaval comes as the EV industry struggles with sluggish sales growth and a bumpy rollout of a national highway-charging network.
Tesla has long been the bright spot in a messy charging world, outbuilding and outperforming other companies to create the closest thing the U.S. has to a national highway network, considered the linchpin to greater EV adoption. A Tesla pullback in EV charging could slow the entire U.S. market.
Even the most fervent believers in the EV dream would say we're going to need a lot more Elon Musk's. Unfortunately the giant proxy advisory firms are urging investors to mistreat the only one we currently have—by denying him compensation he's already earned.
Even if the proxy advisors suddenly begin to behave, there is no getting around the titanic cost of this unprecedented attempt to change the way Americans get from here to there.
t's become common for some politicians to present a transition away from fossil fuels as similar to other historical transitions in which societies abandoned old energy sources in favor of new ones. But this time really is different. Consumers in previous societies embraced new technologies because they afforded easier and cheaper ways to sustain and enhance life.
The contemporary mania is to abandon consumer preference and instead enforce a trade-down to uneconomical but politically favored methods of powering our lives. So it's important to understand just how far the new government mandate and subsidy systems will travel away from economic sense.
In a new study for the National Center for Energy Analytics, Jonathan Lesser considers the expense of just one aspect of the politically directed transition: the changes needed to support a country full of electric-car drivers, beyond the cost of the cars themselves. Mr. Lesser sets the scene:
In their stated efforts to reduce carbon emissions, 18 states (as of this writing) have approved regulations that will require all new vehicle sales to be electric vehicles (EVs) beginning in 2035. Similar mandates have been enacted for heavy trucks, which transport most goods in the country, although they will begin later.
Meanwhile, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency has introduced stringent carbon dioxide emissions standards for new vehicles, which the agency admits can only be met by automakers selling more EVs and fewer gasoline-powered vehicles.
While "make-it-so" mandates may be politically popular, physical and economic realities will ultimately prevail. The move to enforce an all-EV future, regardless of claimed environmental merits (which are hotly disputed), requires infrastructure to support it. However, that means far more than installing charging stations at home and work.
Too little discussion has been devoted to the scale and cost of the infrastructure needed to deliver the electricity to those charging stations. Even if the additional electricity can be supplied, it must still be delivered—and that remains the least-discussed aspect of this new transformation.
Mr. Lesser figures "the physical infrastructure needed to support an all-EV future will entail overall costs ranging between $2 trillion and almost $4 trillion. That is before considering the impact of higher demand on the costs of materials and labor to build it all and also before considering the additional costs to build more electricity generation." He adds:
To enable an EV future that provides the same freedom of movement we enjoy today will require massive upgrades to the entire electrical delivery system. Home chargers, which are called "Level 2" chargers, will require dedicated circuits, like electric stoves and electric clothes dryers do. The main circuit boxes in millions of older homes to which electricity is delivered will need to be upgraded.
To accommodate the increased electricity needed for EV charging (and other electrification goals), electric utilities will also have to upgrade their local distribution systems—the poles and wires running down streets—with millions of larger transformers, thousands (if not millions) of miles of larger wires, and even bigger utility poles to handle the additional weight.
On and on he goes, noting the thousands of miles of new or rewired transmission lines and the millions of tons of specialized metals involved in this proposed undertaking.
Many Americans were chuckling along with Margaret Brennan of CBS recently while listening to Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg try to explain why his multibillion-dollar program had resulted I so few charging stations.. But nobody will be laughing if several zeroes are added to the taxpayer cost of EV virtue signals.
Speaking of the Buttigieg bumbling, some readers through this column should have mentioned the contrast between the federal failure and the speed at which Elon Musk's Tesla has been creating charging stations. But remember Mr. Musk is only one man and on his own cannot persuade all Americans to abandon their gas-powered cars.
The Journal's Jennifer Hiller, Sean McLain and Ryan Felton reported last month:
Tesla's move this week to lay off much of the team responsible for creating the largest and most successful electric-vehicle charging network in the U.S. threw the industry into a state of shock and confusion...
The upheaval comes as the EV industry struggles with sluggish sales growth and a bumpy rollout of a national highway-charging network.
Tesla has long been the bright spot in a messy charging world, outbuilding and outperforming other companies to create the closest thing the U.S. has to a national highway network, considered the linchpin to greater EV adoption. A Tesla pullback in EV charging could slow the entire U.S. market.
Even the most fervent believers in the EV dream would say we're going to need a lot more Elon Musk's. Unfortunately the giant proxy advisory firms are urging investors to mistreat the only one we currently have—by denying him compensation he's already earned.
Even if the proxy advisors suddenly begin to behave, there is no getting around the titanic cost of this unprecedented attempt to change the way Americans get from here to there.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on June 13, 2024, 03:17:48 PM
Post by: Oerdin on June 13, 2024, 03:17:48 PM
Quote from: DKG on June 03, 2024, 10:54:29 AMI was surprised by that too.
Just last Monday he was insisting that Biden would win in a blow out due to Trump getting convicted in the sham trial which Federal courts will toss out.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on June 14, 2024, 06:45:40 AM
Post by: DKG on June 14, 2024, 06:45:40 AM
Quote from: Oerdin on June 13, 2024, 03:17:48 PMJust last Monday he was insisting that Biden would win in a blow out due to Trump getting convicted in the sham trial which Federal courts will toss out.Take his predictions with a grain of salt.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on June 14, 2024, 10:39:34 PM
Post by: Herman on June 14, 2024, 10:39:34 PM
(https://scontent-yyz1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/448049186_851672723658373_2552812539014904842_n.jpg?stp=dst-jpg_s600x600&_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5f2048&_nc_ohc=PHt79VRCcOsQ7kNvgFOzl1h&_nc_ht=scontent-yyz1-1.xx&oh=00_AYBANE0U4Kdxa6CU95UM4tvAjCkkdsXC24T471Qiekaw5A&oe=6672D94A)
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Shen Li on June 14, 2024, 11:41:08 PM
Post by: Shen Li on June 14, 2024, 11:41:08 PM
Quote from: Herman on June 14, 2024, 10:39:34 PM(https://scontent-yyz1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/448049186_851672723658373_2552812539014904842_n.jpg?stp=dst-jpg_s600x600&_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5f2048&_nc_ohc=PHt79VRCcOsQ7kNvgFOzl1h&_nc_ht=scontent-yyz1-1.xx&oh=00_AYBANE0U4Kdxa6CU95UM4tvAjCkkdsXC24T471Qiekaw5A&oe=6672D94A)LOL, sustainability
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oliver the Second on June 18, 2024, 03:02:55 PM
Post by: Oliver the Second on June 18, 2024, 03:02:55 PM
Fire crews battle Phoenix garage fire involving 'homemade electrical cars'
(https://i.imgur.com/QZc7IH5.jpeg)
PHOENIX — Investigators are looking into the cause of a fire that engulfed two cars and damaged a home in north Phoenix Tuesday morning.
Fire crews were dispatched to a home near Cactus and Cave Creek roads around 7:30 a.m. after receiving reports of a garage fire.
Firefighters discovered two vehicles, which were determined to be "homemade electrical cars," were on fire.
Hazardous materials crews were called to the scene as a precaution during the emergency.
Photos from the scene showed extensive damage to both vehicles, as well as serious damage to the front of the home.
Everyone inside the home evacuated safely and no injuries were reported.
https://www.abc15.com/news/region-phoenix-metro/north-phoenix/fire-crews-battle-phoenix-garage-fire-involving-homemade-electrical-cars
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Brent on June 23, 2024, 03:19:33 PM
Post by: Brent on June 23, 2024, 03:19:33 PM
Gas-powered blowers are being targeted by governments across the country. A ban in California starts next month, and similar measures have passed in Washington, D.C., Portland, Oregon; Montgomery County, Maryland; Burlington, Vermont; and Evanston, Illinois, among other places.
I use our gasoline powered blower more in winter than in summer. It is perfect for blowing light snow off of the front steps, walks, and driveway.
I use our gasoline powered blower more in winter than in summer. It is perfect for blowing light snow off of the front steps, walks, and driveway.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on July 19, 2024, 06:06:21 AM
Post by: DKG on July 19, 2024, 06:06:21 AM
Ford Motor on Thursday outlined plans to use a Canadian plant it had earmarked for a future electric vehicle to instead build larger, gasoline-powered versions of its flagship F-Series pickup truck.
Ford in April had already delayed the launch of the planned three-row electric SUVs at its Oakville Assembly facility from 2025 to 2027, citing slower than expected growth in EV demand.
Ford in April had already delayed the launch of the planned three-row electric SUVs at its Oakville Assembly facility from 2025 to 2027, citing slower than expected growth in EV demand.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on July 23, 2024, 11:26:55 PM
Post by: Herman on July 23, 2024, 11:26:55 PM
This is from the province of Alberta, but it is true of any government that wasted folks money on wind scams.
https://pipelineonline.ca/fool-me-three-times-three-days-in-a-row-albertas/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=SocialWarfare&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR1ZVKfRU14U9r57Kw9iSoeaxKSu4n0a82KEBiu10gsbYaPx5dnCG3AnPl0_aem_A0SP19IWfu51wQAt2PT5MA#/?playlistId=0&videoId=0
For the third day in a row, Alberta's 4,748 megawatts of nameplate wind capacity was producing effectively nothing, or actually nothing.
At 10:00 a.m. on Sunday, July 21, wind power output fell to zero megawatts. The day before, on Saturday, July 20, just one megawatt was being being sent to grid from 1,568 wind turbines.
One megawatt is 0.02 per cent, or two ten-thousandths of capacity. And zero, of course, is zero.
As the heat wave continued to roast western Canada, almost exactly the same thing happened the day before, at around the same time. Wind power in Alberta yet again flatlined around noon. it hit one megawatt at 10:38 a.m. on July 19.
In addition to those three days of scraping bottom over the weekend, a few days earlier, wind output in Alberta actually hit zero output at 11:38 a.m. on Tuesday, July 16. At that moment, the entire wind fleet, costing billions of dollars, couldn't power a lightbulb.
So that's four days out six that saw wind generation fall to either zero or one megawatts.
On Sunday, natural gas was providing 9,053 megawatts out of the 10,798 being produced to the grid. That's 83 per cent of power generation. The previous evening, natural gas accounted for more than 90 per cent of Alberta's power.
The natural gas fleet saw all the big units producing, and there were several smaller simple cycle units available for peaking generation.
That's significant, as the proposed Clean Electricity Regulations would have all coal and natural gas units in the country shut down by 2035 unless they implement carbon capture units. Without carbon capture, they would only be allowed to operate for 450 hours per year (about five per cent annual capacity) in peaking operations. As Alberta Premier Danielle Smith has noted, that wouldn't get the province through Jan. 19, if you started counting those hours on Jan. 1.
https://pipelineonline.ca/fool-me-three-times-three-days-in-a-row-albertas/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=SocialWarfare&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR1ZVKfRU14U9r57Kw9iSoeaxKSu4n0a82KEBiu10gsbYaPx5dnCG3AnPl0_aem_A0SP19IWfu51wQAt2PT5MA#/?playlistId=0&videoId=0
For the third day in a row, Alberta's 4,748 megawatts of nameplate wind capacity was producing effectively nothing, or actually nothing.
At 10:00 a.m. on Sunday, July 21, wind power output fell to zero megawatts. The day before, on Saturday, July 20, just one megawatt was being being sent to grid from 1,568 wind turbines.
One megawatt is 0.02 per cent, or two ten-thousandths of capacity. And zero, of course, is zero.
As the heat wave continued to roast western Canada, almost exactly the same thing happened the day before, at around the same time. Wind power in Alberta yet again flatlined around noon. it hit one megawatt at 10:38 a.m. on July 19.
In addition to those three days of scraping bottom over the weekend, a few days earlier, wind output in Alberta actually hit zero output at 11:38 a.m. on Tuesday, July 16. At that moment, the entire wind fleet, costing billions of dollars, couldn't power a lightbulb.
So that's four days out six that saw wind generation fall to either zero or one megawatts.
On Sunday, natural gas was providing 9,053 megawatts out of the 10,798 being produced to the grid. That's 83 per cent of power generation. The previous evening, natural gas accounted for more than 90 per cent of Alberta's power.
The natural gas fleet saw all the big units producing, and there were several smaller simple cycle units available for peaking generation.
That's significant, as the proposed Clean Electricity Regulations would have all coal and natural gas units in the country shut down by 2035 unless they implement carbon capture units. Without carbon capture, they would only be allowed to operate for 450 hours per year (about five per cent annual capacity) in peaking operations. As Alberta Premier Danielle Smith has noted, that wouldn't get the province through Jan. 19, if you started counting those hours on Jan. 1.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Brent on July 28, 2024, 02:16:49 PM
Post by: Brent on July 28, 2024, 02:16:49 PM
Progressives want us to believe corporate welfare will save the planet. :crazy:
QuoteSubsidizing EVs isn't about saving the environmenthttps://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/goldstein-subsidizing-evs-isnt-about-saving-the-environment
Electric vehicles were developed to save the auto sector not the planet
With floods and wildfires overwhelming municipal infrastructure across Canada these days, is it really a good idea for federal and provincial governments to have earmarked over $52 billion to subsidize the manufacture of electric vehicles and EV batteries?
According to the Parliamentary Budget Officer, that's just the cost taxpayers are facing for developing an EV supply chain across Canada in 13 different project groupings.
It doesn't include such added costs as subsidizing EV sales by the federal government and six provinces, developing a national EV charging network, or strengthening and reconfiguring electricity grids across the country to handle the increased demand for electricity to power EVs.
All of this when federal EV mandates to increase the sale of new EVs to 60% of all new passenger vehicles by 2030 is only expected to lower Canada's industrial greenhouse gas emissions by 2% to 3% compared to what they would otherwise have been, according to a recent report by the Canadian Climate Institute.
Belgium-based Umicore announced last week that it is delaying construction of its $2.8 billion EV battery materials manufacturing plant near Kingston – to which the federal and Ontario governments have earmarked almost $1 billion in public support – because of slow EV sales.
Ford announced earlier this month that for the same reason, a $1.8 billion retrofit of its Oakville assembly complex to manufacture EVs it announced in 2020 – to which the federal and Ontario government earmarked a total of $590 million – will now manufacture conventionally-powered Super-duty trucks instead.
That followed an earlier announcement by Ford in April that it was going to delay the production of EVs until 2027, instead of the original start-up date of 2025.
To be fair, much of the federal and provincial support aimed at creating an EV supply chain in Canada is tied to the actual production of EVs and EV batteries – meaning the money hasn't yet been spent.
In addition, Canada's auto sector was being subsidized by the federal and provincial governments long before the move toward EVs, ostensibly to protect Canadian jobs both directly and indirectly reliant on the auto sector.
But as an environmental policy, public investments in the EV sector are notoriously inefficient.
A better use of the money would be to shore up Canada's beleaguered public infrastructure sector – roads, bridges, tunnels, public transit, sewers, water treatment plants, as well as our ability to fight wildfires – to make them more resilient to severe weather.
In that context, it's also time to start calling out federal, provincial and municipal politicians who attribute the damage caused by any and all natural disasters these days to "climate change" as an excuse for decades of failures by all levels of government to properly maintain public infrastructure.
As one of countless examples, we saw this excuse at play in the wake of a major flood in Toronto earlier this month that shut down roads, public transit, flooded basements and dumped more than 1.3 billion litres of partially-treated sewage into the city's waterways.
In the real world, Canada has always had severe weather caused by "climate change," regardless of whether it's the result of natural or human-induced factors.
Toronto has been flooding since the last ice age ended 12,000 years ago, not because of human-induced climate change but because of local geography, the water systems that surround it and, in the modern era, urban densification.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oliver the Second on July 28, 2024, 10:16:08 PM
Post by: Oliver the Second on July 28, 2024, 10:16:08 PM
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on July 31, 2024, 06:18:04 AM
Post by: DKG on July 31, 2024, 06:18:04 AM
It should not have been on an elevator. That's like taking a jerry can of gasoline on an elevator.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on July 31, 2024, 10:56:38 AM
Post by: Oerdin on July 31, 2024, 10:56:38 AM
Many apartments now ban electric bikes and even electric cars due to the tendency of the batteries to burst I to flames.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: formosan on July 31, 2024, 12:02:22 PM
Post by: formosan on July 31, 2024, 12:02:22 PM
Quote from: Oerdin on July 31, 2024, 10:56:38 AMMany apartments now ban electric bikes and even electric cars due to the tendency of the batteries to burst I to flames.In your city or state or across America?
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on July 31, 2024, 12:16:41 PM
Post by: Oerdin on July 31, 2024, 12:16:41 PM
In multiple countries now. In the U.S. insurance companies are demanding these bans or they refuse to renew insurance policies.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Brent on July 31, 2024, 01:07:36 PM
Post by: Brent on July 31, 2024, 01:07:36 PM
Quote from: Oerdin on July 31, 2024, 12:16:41 PMIn multiple countries now. In the U.S. insurance companies are demanding these bans or they refuse to renew insurance policies.I haven't heard about it here yet. But, I'm not looking for an apartment.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on July 31, 2024, 02:00:30 PM
Post by: Oerdin on July 31, 2024, 02:00:30 PM
Me either. I just read the news.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oliver the Second on August 07, 2024, 09:25:43 AM
Post by: Oliver the Second on August 07, 2024, 09:25:43 AM
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: formosan on August 07, 2024, 10:09:39 AM
Post by: formosan on August 07, 2024, 10:09:39 AM
Quote from: Oliver the Second on August 07, 2024, 09:25:43 AMOh my goodness Oliver.....I don't want lithium batteries in my home.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oliver the Second on August 15, 2024, 09:27:41 AM
Post by: Oliver the Second on August 15, 2024, 09:27:41 AM
What customers need to know about SunPower after company files for bankruptcy
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A once-mighty-recognized name in the solar business is going under. SunPower Corporation has filed for bankruptcy marking the end of the 39-year-old business.
Nearly half a million customers have a lot of uncertainty about the future of their home solar systems. SunPower Corporation, based in California, filed for bankruptcy in August 2024, in a Delaware court.
The court filing provided insight into the company's situation. Documents revealed at the end of 2023, SunPower had almost as much in debts as it did in assets. SunPower said there was a deal where a company will buy some of its assets but that doesn't include its installation network.
For consumers it means SunPower can't service their systems and they must wait until the company reaches a service agreement. The company said it's working on an agreement with a service provider and SunPower customers should locate their installation paperwork and communications.
The Arizona Attorney General's Office has filed a fraud lawsuit against SunPower Corporation and customers can file a complaint with the attorney.
https://www.abc15.com/news/let-abc15-know/what-customers-need-to-know-about-sunpower-after-company-files-for-bankruptcy
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on August 15, 2024, 11:06:03 AM
Post by: DKG on August 15, 2024, 11:06:03 AM
Quote from: Oliver the Second on August 15, 2024, 09:27:41 AMWhat customers need to know about SunPower after company files for bankruptcySolar and wind cannot compete with concentrated energy sources. Without taxpayer money artificially propping them up, they would all file for banlruptcy.
(https://i.imgur.com/GCg1zoYm.jpeg)
A once-mighty-recognized name in the solar business is going under. SunPower Corporation has filed for bankruptcy marking the end of the 39-year-old business.
Nearly half a million customers have a lot of uncertainty about the future of their home solar systems. SunPower Corporation, based in California, filed for bankruptcy in August 2024, in a Delaware court.
The court filing provided insight into the company's situation. Documents revealed at the end of 2023, SunPower had almost as much in debts as it did in assets. SunPower said there was a deal where a company will buy some of its assets but that doesn't include its installation network.
For consumers it means SunPower can't service their systems and they must wait until the company reaches a service agreement. The company said it's working on an agreement with a service provider and SunPower customers should locate their installation paperwork and communications.
The Arizona Attorney General's Office has filed a fraud lawsuit against SunPower Corporation and customers can file a complaint with the attorney.
https://www.abc15.com/news/let-abc15-know/what-customers-need-to-know-about-sunpower-after-company-files-for-bankruptcy
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: formosan on August 15, 2024, 12:06:53 PM
Post by: formosan on August 15, 2024, 12:06:53 PM
Quote from: Oliver the Second on August 15, 2024, 09:27:41 AMWhat customers need to know about SunPower after company files for bankruptcyOur province cancelled all coal power plants when the NDP was the government and spent hundreds of millions of dollars on wind turbines..
(https://i.imgur.com/GCg1zoYm.jpeg)
A once-mighty-recognized name in the solar business is going under. SunPower Corporation has filed for bankruptcy marking the end of the 39-year-old business.
Nearly half a million customers have a lot of uncertainty about the future of their home solar systems. SunPower Corporation, based in California, filed for bankruptcy in August 2024, in a Delaware court.
The court filing provided insight into the company's situation. Documents revealed at the end of 2023, SunPower had almost as much in debts as it did in assets. SunPower said there was a deal where a company will buy some of its assets but that doesn't include its installation network.
For consumers it means SunPower can't service their systems and they must wait until the company reaches a service agreement. The company said it's working on an agreement with a service provider and SunPower customers should locate their installation paperwork and communications.
The Arizona Attorney General's Office has filed a fraud lawsuit against SunPower Corporation and customers can file a complaint with the attorney.
https://www.abc15.com/news/let-abc15-know/what-customers-need-to-know-about-sunpower-after-company-files-for-bankruptcy
The result has been power rationing when it gets too cold or too hot and hydro bills four times higher than when we still had coal power.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on August 15, 2024, 07:42:48 PM
Post by: Herman on August 15, 2024, 07:42:48 PM
Widespread buyer's remorse shows American consumers don't want Biden's mandate.
Now that Elon Musk has endorsed Donald Trump, will the presidential candidate return the favor and lay off electric cars?
Well, he won't be driving a Model X any time soon, but Trump did recently concede to a crowd at an Atlanta rally that he's in favor of a small percentage of American cars being EVs.
"I have to be, you know, because Elon endorsed me very strongly," Trump added.
Now that Elon Musk has endorsed Donald Trump, will the presidential candidate return the favor and lay off electric cars?
Well, he won't be driving a Model X any time soon, but Trump did recently concede to a crowd at an Atlanta rally that he's in favor of a small percentage of American cars being EVs.
"I have to be, you know, because Elon endorsed me very strongly," Trump added.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oliver the Second on August 17, 2024, 04:24:53 PM
Post by: Oliver the Second on August 17, 2024, 04:24:53 PM
Carmakers Scramble to Calm Revolt Against EVs in South Korea After Battery Fires
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Mercedes-Benz and BMW have reportedly disclosed the names of their electric vehicle battery suppliers in South Korea, following a recent EV explosion that triggered widespread revolt against electric vehicles.
Bloomberg reports that the South Korean units of Mercedes-Benz Group AG and BMW AG have taken a significant step towards transparency by revealing the names of their electric vehicle (EV) battery suppliers on their websites. This rare disclosure comes in the wake of an incident where an unplugged electric Mercedes-Benz sedan caught fire at an apartment complex in Incheon, South Korea, earlier this month. The explosion led to the evacuation of 200 families and sparked calls for stricter government measures on EV safety.
Typically, automakers around the world keep information about their battery suppliers confidential. However, the growing fears over EV safety in South Korea have prompted Hyundai and Kia to share the names of their battery makers in recent days. The German carmakers, Mercedes-Benz and BMW, have now followed suit as the government plans to hold a joint meeting with automakers to discuss short-term measures to prevent further EV fires.
https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2024/08/17/carmakers-scramble-to-calm-revolt-against-evs-in-south-korea-after-battery-fires/
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on August 17, 2024, 06:57:14 PM
Post by: Herman on August 17, 2024, 06:57:14 PM
Quote from: Oliver the Second on August 17, 2024, 04:24:53 PMCarmakers Scramble to Calm Revolt Against EVs in South Korea After Battery FiresProg governments like Justine's will help big auto cover that shit up.
(https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/Fire-7-e1534504941376.png)
Mercedes-Benz and BMW have reportedly disclosed the names of their electric vehicle battery suppliers in South Korea, following a recent EV explosion that triggered widespread revolt against electric vehicles.
Bloomberg reports that the South Korean units of Mercedes-Benz Group AG and BMW AG have taken a significant step towards transparency by revealing the names of their electric vehicle (EV) battery suppliers on their websites. This rare disclosure comes in the wake of an incident where an unplugged electric Mercedes-Benz sedan caught fire at an apartment complex in Incheon, South Korea, earlier this month. The explosion led to the evacuation of 200 families and sparked calls for stricter government measures on EV safety.
Typically, automakers around the world keep information about their battery suppliers confidential. However, the growing fears over EV safety in South Korea have prompted Hyundai and Kia to share the names of their battery makers in recent days. The German carmakers, Mercedes-Benz and BMW, have now followed suit as the government plans to hold a joint meeting with automakers to discuss short-term measures to prevent further EV fires.
https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2024/08/17/carmakers-scramble-to-calm-revolt-against-evs-in-south-korea-after-battery-fires/
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oliver the Second on August 20, 2024, 10:37:35 AM
Post by: Oliver the Second on August 20, 2024, 10:37:35 AM
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on August 22, 2024, 07:57:56 PM
Post by: Herman on August 22, 2024, 07:57:56 PM
Ford is canceling plans to manufacture a large, three-row electric SUV.
Ford will reduce future capital expenditure plans on pure EVs from 40% to 30%.
Ford's EV division is on pace to lose as much as $5.5 billion this year, according to a Thursday report by Bloomberg.
Ford will reduce future capital expenditure plans on pure EVs from 40% to 30%.
Ford's EV division is on pace to lose as much as $5.5 billion this year, according to a Thursday report by Bloomberg.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oliver the Second on August 27, 2024, 10:50:58 AM
Post by: Oliver the Second on August 27, 2024, 10:50:58 AM
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on September 20, 2024, 09:53:10 PM
Post by: Herman on September 20, 2024, 09:53:10 PM
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Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on September 20, 2024, 09:57:25 PM
Post by: Herman on September 20, 2024, 09:57:25 PM
Instead of reducing emissions, sustainable investing models could actually increase them and do little to combat the risk of climate change, according to a study from the Yale School of Management.
https://www.canadianenergycentre.ca/divesting-from-energy-firms-counterproductive-could-increase-emissions-yale-professor/?fbclid=IwY2xjawFbBn9leHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHXumxjDknK2G-Bs_aN3KtXz6p41wUTZT9vRz2mt90hNAgJ2ILGSW31lnAg_aem_QW6MCZ9-TviIWFfKXDxLNw
Divesting from energy firms counterproductive, could increase emissions: Yale professor
Study finds that when high-polluting firms have easy access to public investor money, emissions go down
A finance professor at the Yale School of Management specializing in so-called "behavioral economics" and corporate finance says the movement for investors to pull out from high-emitting companies in sectors like energy and agriculture could be counterproductive.
Instead of reducing emissions, this strategy could increase them, and do little to combat the risk of climate change, Kelly Shue said on a recent ARC Energy Ideas podcast.
"Let me be clear that I am very concerned about climate change, and I broadly very much support the ESG and sustainable investing movement," she said. "What I'm concerned about is the way that it has been implemented by many, but not all, funds to date.
In a study co-authored with Samuel Hartzmark of the Carroll School of Management at Boston College, Shue outlined through data how the "sustainable investing" model rewards companies that by their nature can't make a meaningful difference in reducing emissions while punishing the companies that could.
The researchers looked at about 3,000 publicly traded companies over the past two decades to examine how their emissions have reacted as their access to financing has either improved or gotten more difficult.
Within each year, the 20 percent of firms with the greatest emissions per unit of revenue were categorized as "brown," while the 20 percent of firms with the lowest emissions per unit of revenue were categorized as "green."
"The brown firms tend to come from the energy, manufacturing, transportation and agriculture sectors, [and] the green firms tend to come from services sectors such as insurance, financial services, health care, etcetera," Shue said.
Sustainable investing strategies would encourage investors to support the "green" firms and divest from the "brown" ones.
But "a 100 percent reduction in the emissions by a green firm is far less economically meaningful than is a similarly sized brown firm reducing its emissions by a mere 1 percent," noted ARC Energy Research Institute executive director Jackie Forrest.
"Staying invested in a brown firm and asking them to reduce their emissions by 1 percent has a bigger impact to the climate than divesting into the green firms."
It takes large investments to deliver significant emissions reductions, Shue said.
"Historically, when we look at the data, when high-polluting firms are doing well and getting easy access to public investor money, they're actually naturally reducing their emissions. They have the financing to buy this expensive green equipment up front that pays off in the future," she said.
"Meanwhile, if they're distressed or having difficulty raising money from public investors, they actually increase their emissions, because by cutting back on abatement efforts, that's actually how they get cash right now."
In the short term, if investors pull their money from these high-polluting firms, they're going to become quite distressed and may end up polluting more in their fight to survive, Shue said.
https://www.canadianenergycentre.ca/divesting-from-energy-firms-counterproductive-could-increase-emissions-yale-professor/?fbclid=IwY2xjawFbBn9leHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHXumxjDknK2G-Bs_aN3KtXz6p41wUTZT9vRz2mt90hNAgJ2ILGSW31lnAg_aem_QW6MCZ9-TviIWFfKXDxLNw
Divesting from energy firms counterproductive, could increase emissions: Yale professor
Study finds that when high-polluting firms have easy access to public investor money, emissions go down
A finance professor at the Yale School of Management specializing in so-called "behavioral economics" and corporate finance says the movement for investors to pull out from high-emitting companies in sectors like energy and agriculture could be counterproductive.
Instead of reducing emissions, this strategy could increase them, and do little to combat the risk of climate change, Kelly Shue said on a recent ARC Energy Ideas podcast.
"Let me be clear that I am very concerned about climate change, and I broadly very much support the ESG and sustainable investing movement," she said. "What I'm concerned about is the way that it has been implemented by many, but not all, funds to date.
In a study co-authored with Samuel Hartzmark of the Carroll School of Management at Boston College, Shue outlined through data how the "sustainable investing" model rewards companies that by their nature can't make a meaningful difference in reducing emissions while punishing the companies that could.
The researchers looked at about 3,000 publicly traded companies over the past two decades to examine how their emissions have reacted as their access to financing has either improved or gotten more difficult.
Within each year, the 20 percent of firms with the greatest emissions per unit of revenue were categorized as "brown," while the 20 percent of firms with the lowest emissions per unit of revenue were categorized as "green."
"The brown firms tend to come from the energy, manufacturing, transportation and agriculture sectors, [and] the green firms tend to come from services sectors such as insurance, financial services, health care, etcetera," Shue said.
Sustainable investing strategies would encourage investors to support the "green" firms and divest from the "brown" ones.
But "a 100 percent reduction in the emissions by a green firm is far less economically meaningful than is a similarly sized brown firm reducing its emissions by a mere 1 percent," noted ARC Energy Research Institute executive director Jackie Forrest.
"Staying invested in a brown firm and asking them to reduce their emissions by 1 percent has a bigger impact to the climate than divesting into the green firms."
It takes large investments to deliver significant emissions reductions, Shue said.
"Historically, when we look at the data, when high-polluting firms are doing well and getting easy access to public investor money, they're actually naturally reducing their emissions. They have the financing to buy this expensive green equipment up front that pays off in the future," she said.
"Meanwhile, if they're distressed or having difficulty raising money from public investors, they actually increase their emissions, because by cutting back on abatement efforts, that's actually how they get cash right now."
In the short term, if investors pull their money from these high-polluting firms, they're going to become quite distressed and may end up polluting more in their fight to survive, Shue said.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Shen Li on September 20, 2024, 11:51:03 PM
Post by: Shen Li on September 20, 2024, 11:51:03 PM
Singapore has a net zero plan for 2050. The government here wants to use hydrogen to replace fossil fuels in our domestic and industrial sectors.
However, the government here is honest about it. They said electricity prices will rise. Hopefully, not dramatically like they have back in Canada.
However, the government here is honest about it. They said electricity prices will rise. Hopefully, not dramatically like they have back in Canada.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Reggie Essent on September 21, 2024, 12:32:48 AM
Post by: Reggie Essent on September 21, 2024, 12:32:48 AM
Quote from: Shen Li on September 20, 2024, 11:51:03 PMSingapore has a nert zero plan for 2050. The government here wants to use hydrogen to replace fossil fuels in our domestic and industrial sectors.
However, the government here is honest about it. They said electricity prices will rise. Hopefully, not dramatically they have back in Canada.
Hydrogen is a feasible fuel, but you still need petrochemicals for lubricants and plastics. Fossil fuels aren't going anywhere anytime soon.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Shen Li on September 21, 2024, 12:37:54 AM
Post by: Shen Li on September 21, 2024, 12:37:54 AM
Quote from: Reggie Essent on September 21, 2024, 12:32:48 AMHydrogen is a feasible fuel, but you still need petrochemicals for lubricants and plastics. Fossil fuels aren't going anywhere anytime soon.BULLSEYE!!
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Lab Flaker on September 21, 2024, 02:29:59 AM
Post by: Lab Flaker on September 21, 2024, 02:29:59 AM
Quote from: Oliver the Second on August 20, 2024, 10:37:35 AM
That was the most annoying bitch I've ever heard. Talk about talking over everyone and loving the own sound of your voice.
If anyone married that mouth-hog...they're either an absolute women's bloused wimp or on the verge of slitting their own wrists.
Talk about high-maintenance in a mouth... I'm seriously gob-smacked. I was getting pissed off just watching the blokes trying to get a word in sideways!
Yep the grid can't handle the capacity needed...
I need a stiff drink.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Lokmar on September 21, 2024, 11:07:04 AM
Post by: Lokmar on September 21, 2024, 11:07:04 AM
Quote from: Oliver the Second on August 27, 2024, 10:50:58 AM
I have friends in Normal. They didnt say shit about this fire and I doubt they even knew it happened.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on September 21, 2024, 10:00:57 PM
Post by: Herman on September 21, 2024, 10:00:57 PM
Eight House Democrats join Republicans in voting to strike down California's electric vehicle mandate.
In a 222-190 vote, the House approved the Preserving Choice in Vehicle Purchases Act with 214 Republicans and eight Democrats voting in favor. A group several Republican lawmakers led by Rep. John Joyce, R-Pa., first introduced the bill, which has been endorsed by the energy industry, in March, arguing EV mandates would hurt the economy and violate consumer choice.
"The simple fact is that electric vehicles cannot meet the demands of my constituents," Joyce told Fox News Digital in an interview earlier this week. "Coupling the mountains with the harsh winters and the intense heat of summers makes driving an electric vehicle both unreliable and ultimately unrealistic for many of my constituents."
In a 222-190 vote, the House approved the Preserving Choice in Vehicle Purchases Act with 214 Republicans and eight Democrats voting in favor. A group several Republican lawmakers led by Rep. John Joyce, R-Pa., first introduced the bill, which has been endorsed by the energy industry, in March, arguing EV mandates would hurt the economy and violate consumer choice.
"The simple fact is that electric vehicles cannot meet the demands of my constituents," Joyce told Fox News Digital in an interview earlier this week. "Coupling the mountains with the harsh winters and the intense heat of summers makes driving an electric vehicle both unreliable and ultimately unrealistic for many of my constituents."
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Brent on October 27, 2024, 03:02:11 PM
Post by: Brent on October 27, 2024, 03:02:11 PM
Trudeau has no plans to end their all ev sales ten years from now. It is really about not wanting Canadians driving.
QuoteIn the past six years, the federal government alone has spent or committed to spend over $50 billion on electric vehicle (EV) production and sales. Provincial governments (mostly Ontario and Quebec) have committed another $20 billion-plus.https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/gunter-billions-spent-on-evs-with-little-to-show-for-it
That's not just for ultra-expensive EV battery plants, but also subsidies to EV buyers, plus money for EV infrastructure, such as charging stations and home chargers.
The feds give everyone buying an EV $5,000, even for high-priced, exotic models. British Columbia tops that up with $4,000 more. Quebec adds $8,000.
Canadians spend just over $80 billion a year to buy just under two million cars and trucks. With all those billions of taxpayers' dollars sloshing around the EV market, you might guess that 10% or 20% of vehicles on our country's roads are EVs.
Wrong.
Of the 25.7 million vehicles currently registered in Canada, just under 330,000 are fully electric. That's about 1.3%.
Nearly 6% of new cars being sold are currently EVs (although that market has stagnated). However, of the entire Canadian fleet – new and used – just over 1% are battery-electric. There just aren't that many EVs in Canada, certainly not enough to justify the waste of all those taxpayers' billions being lavished on the industry by "green" politicians such as Justin Trudeau, Ontario Premier Doug Ford and Quebec Premier Francois Legault.
The Liberal government's forced transition to EVs just isn't working. Sales of EVs would have to nearly triple next year to meet the Trudeau government's regulation dictating that 20% of vehicle sales must – must – be EVs by 2026. They would have to increase 10-fold to hit the mandate of 60% by 2030 and rise 15-fold to hit 2035's 100% mandate.
Over the next decade, EV technology will improve. Batteries will propel vehicles farther on a charge. Charging times will be reduced and maybe even costs will come down. But not by enough or fast enough to meet the environmental fantasizing of Trudeau and his hardline Environmental Minister Steven Guilbeault.
Canada is a big country with lots of winters, so even with improvements in EV technology, it's hard to imagine electrics will replace good, old, reliable gasoline- and diesel-powered vehicles anytime soon.
Even the Liberal government isn't entirely convinced of the wisdom of its own EV mandate. There is a carve-out in the regulations that allow police cruisers, ambulances, rescue vehicles and fire trucks to retain ICEs (internal combustion engines). If EV technology is not reliable enough for first responders, why should the rest of us be forced to adopt it?
Still, the Trudeau Liberals remain eco-fanatics.
At a House of Commons Trade committee hearing this week, federal Industry Minister François-Philippe Champagne reaffirmed the Liberals' commitment to 100% EV sales within 11 years.
"When you've been doing the same thing for a hundred years," Champagne said, "and you change the technology in the way that we're doing, you have short-term adjustment."
Or, just maybe, you have utter chaos and market destruction.
Most major manufacturers have pulled back sharply on EV production since the beginning of the year because the market for electrics just isn't there. Last week, BMW CEO Oliver Zipse, said that if the EU maintains its EV mandate (which matches Canada's), it will lead to "massive shrinkage of the (automobile) market."
But maybe that is just what the Liberals want – far fewer people owning far fewer cars.
The Trudeau government's own internal research shows their EV mandate will likely price a quarter or more of Canadians out of the car and truck market entirely.
There are two ways to get to 100%. Either you continue to sell current levels of new vehicles and subsidize EVs like hell. Or you sell far fewer cars, but they're all electric.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oliver the Second on October 30, 2024, 08:50:52 PM
Post by: Oliver the Second on October 30, 2024, 08:50:52 PM
Explosion today at a lithium battery recycling plant in Fredericktown, Missouri
( worth clicking on imho )
https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/local/missouri-battery-plant-fire-fredricktown/63-a057e153-7ab5-462c-9fc3-625c61c130a0
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on October 30, 2024, 10:25:09 PM
Post by: Herman on October 30, 2024, 10:25:09 PM
Quote from: Oliver the Second on October 30, 2024, 08:50:52 PMExplosion today at a lithium battery recycling plant in Fredericktown, MissouriIt was an environmentally sustainable explosion though.
( worth clicking on imho )
https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/local/missouri-battery-plant-fire-fredricktown/63-a057e153-7ab5-462c-9fc3-625c61c130a0
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oliver the Second on October 30, 2024, 10:36:35 PM
Post by: Oliver the Second on October 30, 2024, 10:36:35 PM
Let me see if this one will embed
https://x.com/rawsalerts/status/1851776687714730277
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Lokmar on October 30, 2024, 11:24:44 PM
Post by: Lokmar on October 30, 2024, 11:24:44 PM
Stay the fuck away from EV battery fires!!!!
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on November 15, 2024, 09:27:18 PM
Post by: Herman on November 15, 2024, 09:27:18 PM
Many democRAT run states are banning motorhomes in the latest EV tyranny.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Lokmar on November 15, 2024, 10:51:46 PM
Post by: Lokmar on November 15, 2024, 10:51:46 PM
Quote from: Herman on November 15, 2024, 09:27:18 PMMany democRAT run states are banning motorhomes in the latest EV tyranny.
Yep, fucking California again!!!
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Brent on November 16, 2024, 06:22:47 PM
Post by: Brent on November 16, 2024, 06:22:47 PM
Quote from: Lokmar on November 15, 2024, 10:51:46 PMYep, fucking California again!!!Trudeau will copy them. And have a private plane just for all his racially insulting costumes.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on November 16, 2024, 08:27:28 PM
Post by: Herman on November 16, 2024, 08:27:28 PM
Quote from: Lokmar on November 15, 2024, 10:51:46 PMYep, fucking California again!!!Only the very poor and their rich prog overlords will live there by 2040.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Brent on November 19, 2024, 01:49:38 PM
Post by: Brent on November 19, 2024, 01:49:38 PM
Recent U.N. climate conferences, including COP28 in the United Arab Emirates and COP29 in Azerbaijan, reveal a troubling trend: Global environmental activists seem unbothered by the severe wealth inequality their policies exacerbate. These activists actively collaborate with state oil tycoons to secure their own gains, often at the expense of ordinary people.
The authoritarian regimes of the UAE and Azerbaijan epitomize this disparity. In Azerbaijan, the average GDP per person is about 18 times higher than the median income. In contrast, this ratio in Western nations typically ranges between four and five. These glaring inequalities underscore the cozy relationship between government elites and global environmental activists.
Climate alarmism remains a luxury belief held predominantly by wealthy elites, not ordinary people.
The authoritarian regimes of the UAE and Azerbaijan epitomize this disparity. In Azerbaijan, the average GDP per person is about 18 times higher than the median income. In contrast, this ratio in Western nations typically ranges between four and five. These glaring inequalities underscore the cozy relationship between government elites and global environmental activists.
Climate alarmism remains a luxury belief held predominantly by wealthy elites, not ordinary people.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Brent on December 04, 2024, 02:56:01 PM
Post by: Brent on December 04, 2024, 02:56:01 PM
Trying to get to emissions free electricity is forcing us all to go food banks. It is one of the things that is forcing us into poverty.
QuoteEvery time Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says he chose a carbon tax as the most efficient way to reduce greenhouse gas emissions as opposed to government regulations and expensive subsidies, he's spouting nonsense.https://torontosun.com/opinion/editorials/editorial-the-astronomical-cost-of-clean-electricity
In fact, Trudeau imposed his carbon tax on top of government regulations and subsidies — part of 149 different government programs on which the Liberal government says it is spending more than $200 billion to implement.
Let's consider the impact of just one of those programs — the Trudeau government's clean electricity regulations, intended to reduce emissions in that sector to net zero by 2035.
As reported by The Canadian Press, the Ontario government is urging the feds to amend these regulations because, according to the province's Independent Electricity System Operator, they would cost the province an additional $35 billion to implement by 2050.
The controversy is over the use of natural gas, the cleanest burning fossil fuel, which is necessary to operate Ontario's electricity system efficiently because wind and solar power cannot provide base load power to the grid on demand.
As the clean electricity regulations are written, the IESO warns, it will be impossible to meet Ontario's need for 75% more electricity generation by 2050, to power the supply chain being created in Ontario for the electric vehicle industry, as well as the added power needed for the explosive growth in artificial intelligence.
Alberta is facing the same issue.
Premier Danielle Smith estimates the cost to the province's electricity consumers to meet the clean electricity regulations could be $200 billion to $425 billion.
That's due to the fact Alberta, unlike Ontario, doesn't have clean energy sources such as nuclear and hydro power to help defray the costs of the transition to green energy.
Smith says computer modelling suggests the costs to Canadian electricity consumers to comply with the clean electricity regulations could be $1 trillion to $1.7 trillion.
The underlying point, however, is that Trudeau's climate change plan has a lot more moving parts to it than his carbon tax.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Lokmar on December 04, 2024, 07:33:44 PM
Post by: Lokmar on December 04, 2024, 07:33:44 PM
Quote from: Brent on December 04, 2024, 02:56:01 PMTrying to get to emissions free electricity is forcing us all to go food banks. It is one of the things that is forcing us into poverty.
https://torontosun.com/opinion/editorials/editorial-the-astronomical-cost-of-clean-electricity
I'VE DONE THE CALCULATIONS! It would take several THOUSANDS of Hoover dams to charge just a fraction on the cars in California if they all were electric. This doesnt account for the electric SEMI TRUCKS mandated by law either.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on December 04, 2024, 07:51:23 PM
Post by: Herman on December 04, 2024, 07:51:23 PM
Quote from: Lokmar on December 04, 2024, 07:33:44 PMI'VE DONE THE CALCULATIONS! It would take several THOUSANDS of Hoover dams to charge just a fraction on the cars in California if they all were electric. This doesnt account for the electric SEMI TRUCKS mandated by law either.Progs who are forcing this shit don't know what the hell they are doing.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on December 05, 2024, 10:07:17 AM
Post by: DKG on December 05, 2024, 10:07:17 AM
Quote from: Lokmar on December 04, 2024, 07:33:44 PMI'VE DONE THE CALCULATIONS! It would take several THOUSANDS of Hoover dams to charge just a fraction on the cars in California if they all were electric. This doesnt account for the electric SEMI TRUCKS mandated by law either.Playing political games with something as essential as power generation is sucidal.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Brent on December 05, 2024, 02:11:59 PM
Post by: Brent on December 05, 2024, 02:11:59 PM
Quote from: Lokmar on December 04, 2024, 07:33:44 PMI'VE DONE THE CALCULATIONS! It would take several THOUSANDS of Hoover dams to charge just a fraction on the cars in California if they all were electric. This doesnt account for the electric SEMI TRUCKS mandated by law either.The idea is to take away automobile ownership from average Americans.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on December 10, 2024, 09:36:17 AM
Post by: DKG on December 10, 2024, 09:36:17 AM
Oklahoma hasn't had a single county vote for a Democratic presidential candidate in 24 years. Every statewide elected official is a Republican, and the GOP holds overwhelming 4-1 majorities in both legislative chambers. Former President Donald Trump carried the state by 35 points. Despite this staunchly conservative profile, Oklahoma's Republican leadership is allowing vital farmland and ranchland to be used for foreign land acquisitions tied to solar and wind energy projects. This move comes even as Oklahomans rejected the administration behind the Green New Deal. So what gives?
Last week, Oklahoma Governor Kevin Stitt announced an agreement with Denmark's ambassador, granting a Danish company the ability to purchase large sections of land in Payne County. The company plans to build solar, wind, and biomass energy projects, along with transmission lines across farmland and ranchland in the heart of Oklahoma. Stitt's enthusiasm for these projects highlights his broader push for Green New Deal-style energy initiatives under the guise of creating jobs in the state.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on December 14, 2024, 08:39:48 PM
Post by: Herman on December 14, 2024, 08:39:48 PM
The EV bubble bursts
Stellantis' third-quarter sales collapse this year is even more striking when compared to the second quarter. Revenue in Q3 fell to $36 billion, a sharp 23% decline from the $47 billion reported in Q2. Sales effectively collapsed during the summer, signaling a rapid downturn for the automaker.
One key factor behind Stellantis' limited and outdated product lineup was Tavares' unwavering commitment to an electric vehicle future. Several high-volume, gasoline-powered models were discontinued to make way for electric replacements that are still years away.
For example, the Chrysler 300 was phased out with plans for an electric successor in 2026, leaving dealers without a comparable product to sell in the interim. Similarly, the Dodge Charger and Challenger were discontinued in 2023 to make room for a future electric Charger, further shrinking the lineup. With the EV transition faltering, dealers now face an uncertain future and a glaring lack of viable products.
As Europe's electric vehicle bubble burst and consumers increasingly rejected EVs, especially with the decline of government incentives, Stellantis dealers called for relief from the strict EV mandates imposed on the industry. But, CEO Carlos Tavares refused to intervene.
In fact, Tavares took the opposite approach. While other automakers, including Volkswagen and Renault, urged European regulators to relax emissions mandates meant to drive the EV transition, Tavares redoubled Stellantis' commitment to the unobtainable goals.
"Electrification is a high-cost transition, and only those with the financial strength and vision to adapt quickly will survive in this environment," he said, signaling his belief that the company could outlast its competitors.
With Carlos Tavares unwilling to fight for Stellantis as the EV bubble burst, its European dealers were forced to take matters into their own hands. They appealed directly to the European Commission for relief from the impending 2025 emissions restrictions.
Stellantis' third-quarter sales collapse this year is even more striking when compared to the second quarter. Revenue in Q3 fell to $36 billion, a sharp 23% decline from the $47 billion reported in Q2. Sales effectively collapsed during the summer, signaling a rapid downturn for the automaker.
One key factor behind Stellantis' limited and outdated product lineup was Tavares' unwavering commitment to an electric vehicle future. Several high-volume, gasoline-powered models were discontinued to make way for electric replacements that are still years away.
For example, the Chrysler 300 was phased out with plans for an electric successor in 2026, leaving dealers without a comparable product to sell in the interim. Similarly, the Dodge Charger and Challenger were discontinued in 2023 to make room for a future electric Charger, further shrinking the lineup. With the EV transition faltering, dealers now face an uncertain future and a glaring lack of viable products.
As Europe's electric vehicle bubble burst and consumers increasingly rejected EVs, especially with the decline of government incentives, Stellantis dealers called for relief from the strict EV mandates imposed on the industry. But, CEO Carlos Tavares refused to intervene.
In fact, Tavares took the opposite approach. While other automakers, including Volkswagen and Renault, urged European regulators to relax emissions mandates meant to drive the EV transition, Tavares redoubled Stellantis' commitment to the unobtainable goals.
"Electrification is a high-cost transition, and only those with the financial strength and vision to adapt quickly will survive in this environment," he said, signaling his belief that the company could outlast its competitors.
With Carlos Tavares unwilling to fight for Stellantis as the EV bubble burst, its European dealers were forced to take matters into their own hands. They appealed directly to the European Commission for relief from the impending 2025 emissions restrictions.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Lokmar on December 14, 2024, 08:43:57 PM
Post by: Lokmar on December 14, 2024, 08:43:57 PM
Quote from: Herman on December 14, 2024, 08:39:48 PMThe EV bubble bursts
Stellantis' third-quarter sales collapse this year is even more striking when compared to the second quarter. Revenue in Q3 fell to $36 billion, a sharp 23% decline from the $47 billion reported in Q2. Sales effectively collapsed during the summer, signaling a rapid downturn for the automaker.
One key factor behind Stellantis' limited and outdated product lineup was Tavares' unwavering commitment to an electric vehicle future. Several high-volume, gasoline-powered models were discontinued to make way for electric replacements that are still years away.
For example, the Chrysler 300 was phased out with plans for an electric successor in 2026, leaving dealers without a comparable product to sell in the interim. Similarly, the Dodge Charger and Challenger were discontinued in 2023 to make room for a future electric Charger, further shrinking the lineup. With the EV transition faltering, dealers now face an uncertain future and a glaring lack of viable products.
As Europe's electric vehicle bubble burst and consumers increasingly rejected EVs, especially with the decline of government incentives, Stellantis dealers called for relief from the strict EV mandates imposed on the industry. But, CEO Carlos Tavares refused to intervene.
In fact, Tavares took the opposite approach. While other automakers, including Volkswagen and Renault, urged European regulators to relax emissions mandates meant to drive the EV transition, Tavares redoubled Stellantis' commitment to the unobtainable goals.
"Electrification is a high-cost transition, and only those with the financial strength and vision to adapt quickly will survive in this environment," he said, signaling his belief that the company could outlast its competitors.
With Carlos Tavares unwilling to fight for Stellantis as the EV bubble burst, its European dealers were forced to take matters into their own hands. They appealed directly to the European Commission for relief from the impending 2025 emissions restrictions.
Werd on the street is Hellcat Engine orders are flying into Stelantis!!! Stay tuned for BIG SHIT!!!!
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on December 14, 2024, 08:53:20 PM
Post by: Herman on December 14, 2024, 08:53:20 PM
Quote from: Lokmar on December 14, 2024, 08:43:57 PMWerd on the street is Hellcat Engine orders are flying into Stelantis!!! Stay tuned for BIG SHIT!!!!There aint no saving that company.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Lokmar on December 14, 2024, 09:24:19 PM
Post by: Lokmar on December 14, 2024, 09:24:19 PM
Quote from: Herman on December 14, 2024, 08:53:20 PMThere aint no saving that company.
You think? Maybe, we'll se tho!
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on December 14, 2024, 09:48:50 PM
Post by: Herman on December 14, 2024, 09:48:50 PM
Quote from: Lokmar on December 14, 2024, 09:24:19 PMYou think? Maybe, we'll se tho!There aint no saving Stellantis.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Lokmar on December 14, 2024, 09:52:07 PM
Post by: Lokmar on December 14, 2024, 09:52:07 PM
Quote from: Herman on December 14, 2024, 09:48:50 PMThere aint no saving Stellantis.
I'm not confident that the horsepower gravy train will go on forever but hearing these new Hellcat Engine orders excites me! I'll have the ZLE paid off in 2025!!!!
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on December 14, 2024, 09:54:09 PM
Post by: Herman on December 14, 2024, 09:54:09 PM
Quote from: Lokmar on December 14, 2024, 09:52:07 PMI'm not confident that the horsepower gravy train will go on forever but hearing these new Hellcat Engine orders excites me! I'll have the ZLE paid off in 2025!!!!They keep making bad decisions no matter who runs the company.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Lokmar on December 14, 2024, 09:56:51 PM
Post by: Lokmar on December 14, 2024, 09:56:51 PM
Quote from: Herman on December 14, 2024, 09:54:09 PMThey keep making bad decisions no matter who runs the company.
I dont disagree, but that stupid cunt Mary Barra is way ahead of them! GM doesnt even have a fucking car left after 2025 now that they've cancelled the malibu! The new Charger was built for an easy bolt in ICE!!!!!
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oliver the Second on December 18, 2024, 09:31:47 PM
Post by: Oliver the Second on December 18, 2024, 09:31:47 PM
Fury as California gets green light to ban all gas cars in Democrat state
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Automakers are furious after California moved forward with plan to ban the sale of all gas-powered cars by 2035.
The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) on Wednesday granted two requests from California to enforce strict standards for vehicle emissions after it found opponents were not able to meet the legal burden to how it was inconsistent with the federal Clean Air Act.
'California has longstanding authority to request waivers from EPA to protect its residents from dangerous air pollution coming from mobile sources like cars and trucks,' EPA Administrator Michael Regan said in a statement.
'Today's actions follow through on EPA's commitment to partner with states to reduce emissions and act on the threat of climate change.'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14206999/california-green-light-ban-gas-cars-democrat-state.html
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on December 18, 2024, 09:44:16 PM
Post by: Herman on December 18, 2024, 09:44:16 PM
Quote from: Oliver the Second on December 18, 2024, 09:31:47 PMFury as California gets green light to ban all gas cars in Democrat stateThe last working stiff in Commiefornia will be out before then.
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Automakers are furious after California moved forward with plan to ban the sale of all gas-powered cars by 2035.
The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) on Wednesday granted two requests from California to enforce strict standards for vehicle emissions after it found opponents were not able to meet the legal burden to how it was inconsistent with the federal Clean Air Act.
'California has longstanding authority to request waivers from EPA to protect its residents from dangerous air pollution coming from mobile sources like cars and trucks,' EPA Administrator Michael Regan said in a statement.
'Today's actions follow through on EPA's commitment to partner with states to reduce emissions and act on the threat of climate change.'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14206999/california-green-light-ban-gas-cars-democrat-state.html
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on December 18, 2024, 10:49:02 PM
Post by: Herman on December 18, 2024, 10:49:02 PM
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Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on December 23, 2024, 09:28:26 PM
Post by: Herman on December 23, 2024, 09:28:26 PM
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Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on December 26, 2024, 07:31:23 PM
Post by: Herman on December 26, 2024, 07:31:23 PM
https://www.facebook.com/reel/1118944813218300
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Lokmar on December 27, 2024, 09:41:42 AM
Post by: Lokmar on December 27, 2024, 09:41:42 AM
Quote from: Herman on December 26, 2024, 07:31:23 PMhttps://www.facebook.com/reel/1118944813218300
Libtards are stuck on stupid. Apparently so are the chanks.
Trump is gonna piss a LOT of them off!
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on December 27, 2024, 10:42:10 AM
Post by: DKG on December 27, 2024, 10:42:10 AM
Quote from: Herman on December 26, 2024, 07:31:23 PMhttps://www.facebook.com/reel/1118944813218300That is a lot of toxic waste from ev's that are only five years old. I have noticed ev's don't have much of a resale market.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on December 28, 2024, 11:57:26 AM
Post by: Oerdin on December 28, 2024, 11:57:26 AM
Quote from: Lokmar on December 27, 2024, 09:41:42 AMLibtards are stuck on stupid. Apparently so are the chanks.
Trump is gonna piss a LOT of them off!
The CCP is desperate to cut its dependence on foreign oil. They know a simple blockade of the Straights of Malacca could block 90% of their oil supply.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: formosan on December 28, 2024, 12:03:36 PM
Post by: formosan on December 28, 2024, 12:03:36 PM
Quote from: Oerdin on December 28, 2024, 11:57:26 AMThe CCP is desperate to cut its dependence on foreign oil. They know a simple blockade of the Straights of Malacca could block 90% of their oil supply.I think Russia supplies about one fifth of China's imported oil.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on December 28, 2024, 03:06:33 PM
Post by: Oerdin on December 28, 2024, 03:06:33 PM
Quote from: formosan on December 28, 2024, 12:03:36 PMI think Russia supplies about one fifth of China's imported oil.
But mostly exported via Europe. It still has to cross from the Indian ocean to th Pacific.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: formosan on December 30, 2024, 11:45:30 AM
Post by: formosan on December 30, 2024, 11:45:30 AM
Quote from: Oerdin on December 28, 2024, 03:06:33 PMBut mostly exported via Europe. It still has to cross from the Indian ocean to th Pacific.What about the Eastern Siberia–Pacific Ocean oil pipeline?
They are building another one too.....I can't recall the name of it.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oerdin on January 01, 2025, 02:45:05 PM
Post by: Oerdin on January 01, 2025, 02:45:05 PM
Quote from: formosan on December 30, 2024, 11:45:30 AMWhat about the Eastern Siberia–Pacific Ocean oil pipeline?
They are building another one too.....I can't recall the name of it.
Not connected to the rest of Russia. BTW the power of Siberia pipeline was built and operated by western oil majors and those same western companies operated the fields themselves. They all left and that is one of the most technically difficult fields in the world needing western tech like positional drilling.
Expect those fields to slowly go offline.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oliver the Second on January 01, 2025, 09:14:19 PM
Post by: Oliver the Second on January 01, 2025, 09:14:19 PM
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Brent on January 02, 2025, 03:09:58 PM
Post by: Brent on January 02, 2025, 03:09:58 PM
I don't always agree with the Fraser Institute. They are right about the cost of wind and solar.
QuoteAs a new year dawns and winter takes hold, it's worth considering the cost of energy. After a meeting in Italy last spring, the G7 countries (including Canada) pledged to triple renewable energy sources (e.g. wind, solar) globally to ensure an "affordable" energy future. But while direct costs for wind and solar are dropping, they remain expensive due in part to the backup energy sources required when renewables are not available.https://www.fraserinstitute.org/commentary/solar-and-wind-power-make-electricity-more-expensive-thats-a-fact
In short, an "affordable" energy future is incompatible with increased reliance on renewables. Here's why.
Wind and solar energy are intermittent, meaning they aren't consistently available, so we need an alternative power source when there's no sunlight or wind given the current limited ability to store energy from solar and wind. So we must maintain enough energy capacity in a parallel system, typically powered by natural gas. Constructing and upkeeping a secondary energy source results in higher overall energy costs because two energy systems cost more than one. Therefore, when evaluating the costs of renewables, we must consider the costs of backup energy.
Often, when proponents claim that wind and solar sources are cheaper than fossil fuels, they ignore these costs. A recent study published in Energy, a peer-reviewed energy and engineering journal, found that—after accounting for backup, energy storage and associated indirect costs—solar power costs skyrocket from US$36 per megawatt hour (MWh) to as high as US$1,548 and wind generation costs increase from US$40 to up to US$504 per MWh.
Which is why when governments phase out fossil fuels to expand the role of renewable sources in the electricity grid, electricity become more expensive. In fact, a study by University of Chicago economists showed that between 1990 and 2015, U.S. states that mandated minimum renewable power sources experienced significant electricity price increases after accounting for backup infrastructure and other costs. Specifically, in those states electricity prices increased by an average of 11 per cent, costing consumers an additional $30 billion annually. The study also found that electricity prices grew more expensive over time, and by the twelfth year, electricity prices were 17 per cent higher (on average).
Europe is another case in point. Between 2006 and 2019, solar and wind sources went from representing around 5 per cent of Germany's electricity generation to almost 30 per cent in 2019. During that same period, German households experienced an increase in electricity prices from 19.46 cents to 30.46 cents per kilowatt hour—a rise of more than 56 per cent. This surge in prices occurred before the war in Ukraine, which led to an unprecedented price spike in 2022.
For Canada, the outlook is also dire. In a recent report, TD Bank estimated that replacing existing gas generators with renewables (such as solar and wind) in Ontario could increase average electricity costs by 20 per cent by 2035 compared to 2021. In Alberta, electricity prices would increase by up to 66 per cent by 2035 compared to an scenario without changes. These increases are on top of the 15 to 20 per cent increase in average generation costs expected by 2035 under current government policies.
Clearly, when accounting for backup costs, renewable-powered electricity is more expensive than fossil fuels. Policymakers in Ottawa and across Canada must recognize that integrating renewables into electricity grids can lead to significant price increases for consumers, and they should be honest about that fact with Canadians in 2025 and beyond.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Lokmar on January 04, 2025, 07:22:39 PM
Post by: Lokmar on January 04, 2025, 07:22:39 PM
Quote from: Brent on January 02, 2025, 03:09:58 PMI don't always agree with the Fraser Institute. They are right about the cost of wind and solar.
https://www.fraserinstitute.org/commentary/solar-and-wind-power-make-electricity-more-expensive-thats-a-fact
I'm in the power generation industry and I've been telling people this EV shit isnt viable for years. I've done the math and if California's 33 million cars all went EV and 1/16th needed to charge at the same time, it would take more than 1500 Hoover Dams to supply the electricity.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Brent on January 05, 2025, 01:08:17 PM
Post by: Brent on January 05, 2025, 01:08:17 PM
Quote from: Lokmar on January 04, 2025, 07:22:39 PMI'm in the power generation industry and I've been telling people this EV shit isnt viable for years. I've done the math and if California's 33 million cars all went EV and 1/16th needed to charge at the same time, it would take more than 1500 Hoover Dams to supply the electricity.So build 1500 more Hoover Dams. That will not have any environmental impact. :s_laugh:
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Lokmar on January 05, 2025, 02:28:02 PM
Post by: Lokmar on January 05, 2025, 02:28:02 PM
Quote from: Brent on January 05, 2025, 01:08:17 PMSo build 1500 more Hoover Dams. That will not have any environmental impact. :s_laugh:
The big problem IMO is the average EV/Green Energy supporter doesnt understand the electrical grid, what it takes to make electricity, etc. They've always plugged a cord into a wall and viola!, the magic happens. Nearly all of these same people DGAF to be educated either. If the whole grid collapsed, it still wouldnt sink in. I think in many ways, we're doomed because of the idiocy of the populace. Kinda like this:
https://youtu.be/VBML3VpbuYQ
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Brent on January 06, 2025, 03:59:13 PM
Post by: Brent on January 06, 2025, 03:59:13 PM
Quote from: Lokmar on January 05, 2025, 02:28:02 PMThe big problem IMO is the average EV/Green Energy supporter doesnt understand the electrical grid, what it takes to make electricity, etc. They've always plugged a cord into a wall and viola!, the magic happens. Nearly all of these same people DGAF to be educated either. If the whole grid collapsed, it still wouldnt sink in. I think in many ways, we're doomed because of the idiocy of the populace. Kinda like this:Progtards don't care about consequences.
https://youtu.be/VBML3VpbuYQ
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on January 07, 2025, 10:38:26 PM
Post by: Herman on January 07, 2025, 10:38:26 PM
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Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Thiel on January 09, 2025, 06:51:17 PM
Post by: Thiel on January 09, 2025, 06:51:17 PM
BMW has announced a move away from electric vehicles, stating that it has successfully addressed the challenges of hydrogen engine technology. The company revealed significant progress in hydrogen fuel cell development, which it sees as a more sustainable alternative to conventional electric cars. Unlike electric vehicles that depend on large batteries, hydrogen engines use lightweight fuel cells, offering faster refuelling and greater range.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on January 14, 2025, 10:28:30 PM
Post by: Herman on January 14, 2025, 10:28:30 PM
Spending $50B on EV subsidies was a costly mistake, especially since it will hardly make a dent in GHG emissions. Taxpayer money should stay in Canadians' pockets, not go to a few government-backed EV manufacturers.
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Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on January 15, 2025, 10:41:34 PM
Post by: Herman on January 15, 2025, 10:41:34 PM
Consumer Reports' auto-testing program, says those surveys indicate today's EVs have 79% more problems than gas-powered cars.
https://www.consumerreports.org/media-room/press-releases/2023/11/electric-vehicles-are-improving-but-charging-and-battery-issues-persist-in-consumer-reports-2023-annual-auto-reliability-survey/
https://www.consumerreports.org/media-room/press-releases/2023/11/electric-vehicles-are-improving-but-charging-and-battery-issues-persist-in-consumer-reports-2023-annual-auto-reliability-survey/
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: DKG on January 16, 2025, 10:03:03 AM
Post by: DKG on January 16, 2025, 10:03:03 AM
Wyoming provides a model for the nation with a new bill to bar the state from restricting carbon-based energy sources or treating carbon as a pollutant. Other red states should follow.
Carbon forms the basis of plant life and emerges from nearly all energy sources, aside from nuclear power, that keep us warm. With forecasts predicting a prolonged cold spell for much of the US, now is the time to end the war on carbon, human life, and effective energy production. Wyoming conservatives offer a solution with SF 92, the "Make Carbon Dioxide Great Again" bill.
For years, most Republican governors have embraced or tolerated the push for "carbon neutral" energy — also known as transitioning away from reliable energy sources to less effective options that harm land and the environment. They mainly differ from Democrats on how quickly to pursue this potential energy nuclear winter. In Wyoming, where the governor supports going "carbon negative," a group of conservatives is taking the offensive, rejecting the idea that carbon is the problem instead of a key driver of the economy.
Carbon forms the basis of plant life and emerges from nearly all energy sources, aside from nuclear power, that keep us warm. With forecasts predicting a prolonged cold spell for much of the US, now is the time to end the war on carbon, human life, and effective energy production. Wyoming conservatives offer a solution with SF 92, the "Make Carbon Dioxide Great Again" bill.
For years, most Republican governors have embraced or tolerated the push for "carbon neutral" energy — also known as transitioning away from reliable energy sources to less effective options that harm land and the environment. They mainly differ from Democrats on how quickly to pursue this potential energy nuclear winter. In Wyoming, where the governor supports going "carbon negative," a group of conservatives is taking the offensive, rejecting the idea that carbon is the problem instead of a key driver of the economy.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on January 16, 2025, 10:14:36 PM
Post by: Herman on January 16, 2025, 10:14:36 PM
A University of Michigan study has concluded that it is impossible to mine enough copper to meet the push for EV transition. Not only can't it meet the copper needed for the vehicles themselves, but the power grid would be lacking as well.
"A normal Honda Accord needs about 40 pounds of copper. The same battery electric Honda Accord needs almost 200 pounds of copper. Onshore wind turbines require about 10 tons of copper, and in offshore wind turbines, that amount can more than double," said Adam Simon, U-M professor of earth and environmental studies.
"We show in the paper that the amount of copper needed is essentially impossible for mining companies to produce."
The study found that between 2018 and 2050, the world will need to mine 115% more copper than has been mined in ALL of human history up until 2018 just to meet "business as usual" needs. This would meet the US's current copper needs as well as supporting the developing world without considering the green energy transition. And that is simply impossible.
So as predicted by myself and others, "ain't no way". The push for the move from internal combustion engines to EV's is not simply unrealistic given the stage of technology, but impossible based on actual material needs. And copper is only ONE material which is being shown to be lacking; there are others.
"A normal Honda Accord needs about 40 pounds of copper. The same battery electric Honda Accord needs almost 200 pounds of copper. Onshore wind turbines require about 10 tons of copper, and in offshore wind turbines, that amount can more than double," said Adam Simon, U-M professor of earth and environmental studies.
"We show in the paper that the amount of copper needed is essentially impossible for mining companies to produce."
The study found that between 2018 and 2050, the world will need to mine 115% more copper than has been mined in ALL of human history up until 2018 just to meet "business as usual" needs. This would meet the US's current copper needs as well as supporting the developing world without considering the green energy transition. And that is simply impossible.
So as predicted by myself and others, "ain't no way". The push for the move from internal combustion engines to EV's is not simply unrealistic given the stage of technology, but impossible based on actual material needs. And copper is only ONE material which is being shown to be lacking; there are others.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oliver the Second on January 16, 2025, 11:43:23 PM
Post by: Oliver the Second on January 16, 2025, 11:43:23 PM
Huge fire at Moss Landing battery plant spurs evacuations, road closures, sends out plumes of toxic smoke
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MOSS LANDING — Highway 1 is closed and evacuations were ordered in Moss Landing and the Elkhorn Slough area after a major fire erupted Thursday afternoon at a battery storage plant in Moss Landing in northern Monterey County.
The fire, which was raging out of control Thursday night, sending up huge flames and clouds of hazardous black smoke, was reported around 3 p.m. at the plant, located on Highway 1, Monterey County spokesman Nicholas Pasculli said.
Evacuations of about 1,500 people were ordered for areas of Moss Landing south of Elkhorn Slough, north of Molera Road and Monterey Dunes Way, and west of Castroville Boulevard and Elkhorn Road to the ocean.
The facility, owned by Vistra Energy, a Texas company, is one of the largest battery storage plants in the world. It holds tens of thousands of lithium batteries, which are used to store electricity from solar power and other sources generated during the day for use at night. Such battery storage plants are a key part of California's efforts to shift most of its electricity generation to renewable sources.
https://www.santacruzsentinel.com/2025/01/16/moss-landing-power-plant-fire-evacuations-road-closures/
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Shen Li on January 17, 2025, 12:37:59 AM
Post by: Shen Li on January 17, 2025, 12:37:59 AM
Quote from: Oliver the Second on January 16, 2025, 11:43:23 PMHuge fire at Moss Landing battery plant spurs evacuations, road closures, sends out plumes of toxic smokeThe world seems to be taking a step back from EV's.
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MOSS LANDING — Highway 1 is closed and evacuations were ordered in Moss Landing and the Elkhorn Slough area after a major fire erupted Thursday afternoon at a battery storage plant in Moss Landing in northern Monterey County.
The fire, which was raging out of control Thursday night, sending up huge flames and clouds of hazardous black smoke, was reported around 3 p.m. at the plant, located on Highway 1, Monterey County spokesman Nicholas Pasculli said.
Evacuations of about 1,500 people were ordered for areas of Moss Landing south of Elkhorn Slough, north of Molera Road and Monterey Dunes Way, and west of Castroville Boulevard and Elkhorn Road to the ocean.
The facility, owned by Vistra Energy, a Texas company, is one of the largest battery storage plants in the world. It holds tens of thousands of lithium batteries, which are used to store electricity from solar power and other sources generated during the day for use at night. Such battery storage plants are a key part of California's efforts to shift most of its electricity generation to renewable sources.
https://www.santacruzsentinel.com/2025/01/16/moss-landing-power-plant-fire-evacuations-road-closures/
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on January 24, 2025, 09:05:22 PM
Post by: Herman on January 24, 2025, 09:05:22 PM
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Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on January 24, 2025, 09:22:47 PM
Post by: Herman on January 24, 2025, 09:22:47 PM
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Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on January 26, 2025, 08:51:57 PM
Post by: Herman on January 26, 2025, 08:51:57 PM
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Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Brent on January 27, 2025, 04:16:44 PM
Post by: Brent on January 27, 2025, 04:16:44 PM
Quote from: Herman on January 26, 2025, 08:51:57 PM(https://scontent.fyxd1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/475097472_122185799642108219_3330718224550749684_n.jpg?stp=dst-jpg_s600x600_tt6&_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=833d8c&_nc_ohc=KdOT85OwysEQ7kNvgFHSIbR&_nc_zt=23&_nc_ht=scontent.fyxd1-1.fna&_nc_gid=A4g97qd1PyrV6JGey5Q2cnD&oh=00_AYDc8SVpBRgJRbt94m6DYvXoLxeg3aq9spg6opkzigzAjw&oe=679CAA28)Our power bills have risen faster when subsidies for wind have gone up.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on January 27, 2025, 10:26:48 PM
Post by: Herman on January 27, 2025, 10:26:48 PM
Trudeau wasted tens of billions on ev bullshit.
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Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oliver the Second on February 19, 2025, 02:31:03 PM
Post by: Oliver the Second on February 19, 2025, 02:31:03 PM
Troubled electric vehicle maker Nikola files for bankruptcy protection
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Troubled electric vehicle maker Nikola has filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection months after saying that it would likely run out of cash early this year.
Nikola was a hot start-up and rising star on Wall Street before becoming enmeshed in scandal and its founder was convicted in 2022 for misleading investors about the Arizona company's technology.
At the trial of founder Trevor Milton, prosecutors say a company video of a prototype truck appearing to be driven down a desert highway was actually a video of a nonfunctioning Nikola that had been rolled down a hill.
But the hype around the company was immense. In 2020, Nikola was valued at around $30 billion, exceeding the market capitalization of Ford Motor Co.
Nikola filed for protection in the United States Bankruptcy Court for the District of Delaware and said Wednesday that it has also filed a motion seeking approval to pursue an auction and sale of the business.
The company has about $47 million in cash on hand.
https://www.abc15.com/news/state/troubled-electric-vehicle-maker-nikola-files-for-bankruptcy-protection
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Lokmar on February 19, 2025, 03:05:10 PM
Post by: Lokmar on February 19, 2025, 03:05:10 PM
Quote from: Oliver the Second on February 19, 2025, 02:31:03 PMTroubled electric vehicle maker Nikola files for bankruptcy protection
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Troubled electric vehicle maker Nikola has filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection months after saying that it would likely run out of cash early this year.
EV's are shit. I guess if you want to buy one and cart around a 35KW 480v diesel generator and a fast charger, they can be OK. :crampe:
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Thiel on February 19, 2025, 05:36:43 PM
Post by: Thiel on February 19, 2025, 05:36:43 PM
Quote from: Oliver the Second on February 19, 2025, 02:31:03 PMTroubled electric vehicle maker Nikola files for bankruptcy protectionI will reserve judgment on hydrogen fuel cell technology until I have more information. But, ev's never had any chance of replacing ICE vehicles.
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Troubled electric vehicle maker Nikola has filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection months after saying that it would likely run out of cash early this year.
Nikola was a hot start-up and rising star on Wall Street before becoming enmeshed in scandal and its founder was convicted in 2022 for misleading investors about the Arizona company's technology.
At the trial of founder Trevor Milton, prosecutors say a company video of a prototype truck appearing to be driven down a desert highway was actually a video of a nonfunctioning Nikola that had been rolled down a hill.
But the hype around the company was immense. In 2020, Nikola was valued at around $30 billion, exceeding the market capitalization of Ford Motor Co.
Nikola filed for protection in the United States Bankruptcy Court for the District of Delaware and said Wednesday that it has also filed a motion seeking approval to pursue an auction and sale of the business.
The company has about $47 million in cash on hand.
https://www.abc15.com/news/state/troubled-electric-vehicle-maker-nikola-files-for-bankruptcy-protection
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on February 19, 2025, 08:25:39 PM
Post by: Herman on February 19, 2025, 08:25:39 PM
Another bad policy from Justine that will have to change.
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Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Lokmar on February 20, 2025, 10:53:36 AM
Post by: Lokmar on February 20, 2025, 10:53:36 AM
Quote from: Thiel on February 19, 2025, 05:36:43 PMI will reserve judgment on hydrogen fuel cell technology until I have more information. But, ev's never has any chance of replacing ICE vehicles.
You know, hydrogen can vastly improve ICE NOx emissions. Adding a small amount of hydrogen to the combustion process makes for a cleaner and more complete burn. It also reduces the need for spark advance which means the piston is closer to top dead center when combustion occurs which means more power. I dont know that it would completely eliminate the need for catalytic converters, but it could reduce the amount of catalyzing they need to do.
Years ago, I watched a video of a small POS car a college used for experimenting with alternate fuels and the gasoline/hydrogen hybrid they came up with seemed to work exceedingly well. I also worked with a guy that bought one of those water hydrolyzers and he installed it on his 1/2 ton pickup. As long as he kept it properly maintained, he gained at least 1 or 2 MPG depending on his driving habits. Last I spoke with him, he was going to add a second hydrolyzer to see how that worked but I never followed up with him.
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on February 24, 2025, 08:44:06 PM
Post by: Herman on February 24, 2025, 08:44:06 PM
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Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Oliver the Second on March 08, 2025, 11:40:58 AM
Post by: Oliver the Second on March 08, 2025, 11:40:58 AM
Title: Re: EV's, Reliable Power, et al
Post by: Herman on March 08, 2025, 07:12:48 PM
Post by: Herman on March 08, 2025, 07:12:48 PM
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