Words on ammo in CEO shooting echo common phrase on insurer tactics - 'Delay, deny, defend'
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A message left at the scene of a health insurance executive's fatal shooting — "deny," "defend" and "depose" — echoes a phrase commonly used to describe insurer tactics to avoid paying claims.
The three words were written on the ammunition a masked gunman used to kill UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, according to two law enforcement officials who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity Thursday. They're similar to the phrase "delay, deny, defend" — the way some attorneys describe how insurers deny services and payment, and the title of a 2010 book that was highly critical of the industry.
Police haven't officially commented on the wording or any connection between them and the common phrase. But Thompson's shooting and the messages on the ammunition have sparked outrage on social media and elsewhere, reflecting a deepening frustration Americans have over the cost and complexity of getting care.
"Delay, deny, defend" has become something of a rallying cry for insurance critics. The terms refer to insurers delaying payment on claims, denying claims and defending their actions.
"The longer they can delay and deny the claim, the longer they can hold onto their money and they're not paying it out," said Lea Keller, managing partner at Lewis and Keller, a North Carolina-based personal-injury law firm.
https://apnews.com/article/unitedhealthcare-ceo-shooting-delay-deny-defend-depose-ee73ceb19f361835c654f04a3b88c50c
Brother, I aint got all the facts. Was it a righteous kill?
Quote from: Herman on December 05, 2024, 08:57:20 PMBrother, I aint got all the facts. Was it a righteous kill?
From the stories I read about social media reactions to the event, mainly leftists were high fiving each other and hoping other CEOs eat a bullet. So whether it was righteous or not likely depends on personal politics.
America's top internet sleuths reveal why they're REFUSING to help cops find UnitedHealthcare boss' assassin
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America's top internet sleuths have refused to help law enforcement officials track down the assassin of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson.
The 50-year-old father-of-two was gunned down earlier this week, with the footage of his assassination circulating on social media amidst an ongoing manhunt for his killer.
Typically this type of high-profile violent crime sets platforms including TikTok and X alight with buzz, with amateur internet sleuths hunting to root out the perpetrator.
Michael McWhorter, better known as TizzyEnt on TikTok, said in a video: 'I have yet to see a single video that's pounding the drum of 'we have to find him,' and that is unique.'
He told his 6.7 million followers: 'I don't think it's that difficult to figure out why. There isn't a single person in this country who hasn't themselves or had someone very near and dear to them suffer from the abysmal thing that is privatized healthcare.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14167805/Internet-sleuths-UnitedHealthcare-CEO-Brian-Thompson-assassin.html
Quote from: Oliver the Second on December 07, 2024, 09:29:02 AMAmerica's top internet sleuths reveal why they're REFUSING to help cops find UnitedHealthcare boss' assassin
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America's top internet sleuths have refused to help law enforcement officials track down the assassin of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson.
The 50-year-old father-of-two was gunned down earlier this week, with the footage of his assassination circulating on social media amidst an ongoing manhunt for his killer.
Typically this type of high-profile violent crime sets platforms including TikTok and X alight with buzz, with amateur internet sleuths hunting to root out the perpetrator.
Michael McWhorter, better known as TizzyEnt on TikTok, said in a video: 'I have yet to see a single video that's pounding the drum of 'we have to find him,' and that is unique.'
He told his 6.7 million followers: 'I don't think it's that difficult to figure out why. There isn't a single person in this country who hasn't themselves or had someone very near and dear to them suffer from the abysmal thing that is privatized healthcare.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14167805/Internet-sleuths-UnitedHealthcare-CEO-Brian-Thompson-assassin.html
Thompson's assassin has become an anonymous folk hero to those that believe single payer health care will magically give Americans better access to quality health care. As the Canadian example proves, that could not be any further from the truth.
Look who was being investigated for insider trading...
Quote from: DKG on December 07, 2024, 09:51:14 AMThompson's assassin has become an anonymous folk hero to those that believe single payer health care will magically give Americans better access to quality health care. As the Canadian example proves, that could not be any further from the truth.
While far from ideal, I am happier with my health coverage here than I was in Canada.
Quote from: Oliver the Second on December 07, 2024, 03:06:16 PMLook who was being investigated for insider trading...
The plot thickens.
I suspect they know who the killer is and are observing him while they sort out who else was involved.
Judging the 'Murican "health care" system by the opinions of people who like it the way it is might as well be saying the 'Murican economy is great because the stock market went up today or that we've solved the 'Murican hunger issue because I had a nice cheeseburger for lunch.
It's myopic and will lead to even more desperate actions by desperate people.
Only my opinion, of course.
Quote from: Garraty_47 on December 07, 2024, 05:20:22 PMJudging the 'Murican "health care" system by the opinions of people who like it the way it is might as well be saying the 'Murican economy is great because the stock market went up today or that we've solved the 'Murican hunger issue because I had a nice cheeseburger for lunch.
It's myopic and will lead to even more desperate actions by desperate people.
Only my opinion, of course.
Brother, our health care system is a no competition government rationed one and it is falling apart as I post.
Unlike the Seoul Brother, I aint a private is always best kinda guy. All I know is both rich countries in North America are missing the hospital gspot mark with different arrows.
Health Care is not a God given inalienable right. Get the fucking gubmints the fuck out of healthcare.
There's a lot of weird shit with this story. It's funny how the assassin is made out to be some kind of folk hero within 48 hours by the usual Leftist suspects, almost as if they had the script ready beforehand.
Now this insider trading thing?
Interesting times ...
Sorry, I'm not toeing the party line on this one lulz.. Although I'm not 'celebrating' the death of this piece of shit scumbag, I'm certainly not losing sleep over it either.
When this killing took place, the first thing I did was look at reviews given about UHC from customers, and I couldn't believe the unscrupulous tactics this company used to screw Americans out of healthcare. :'( Read up and then get back to me on how horrible you feel about this man's demise.
Some of these reviews are HEARTBREAKING- This company is a SCAM.
REVIEWS 1.2/5 stars
https://www.consumeraffairs.com/insurance/united_health_care.html
Quote from: Ravey on December 07, 2024, 10:07:23 PMSorry, I'm not toeing the party line on this one lulz.. Although I'm not 'celebrating' the death of this piece of shit scumbag, I'm certainly not losing sleep over it either.
When this killing took place, the first thing I did was look at reviews given about UHC from customers, and I couldn't believe the unscrupulous tactics this company used to screw Americans out of healthcare. :'( Read up and then get back to me on how horrible you feel about this man's demise.
Some of these reviews are HEARTBREAKING- This company is a SCAM.
REVIEWS 1.2/5 stars
https://www.consumeraffairs.com/insurance/united_health_care.html
I am not disagreeing with anything you posted. But, Mr Thompson's murder will not change anything. If Trudeau is assassinated we are still stuck with the anachronistic Canada Health Act.
Quote from: Reggie Essent on December 07, 2024, 08:48:13 PMThere's a lot of weird shit with this story. It's funny how the assassin is made out to be some kind of folk hero within 48 hours by the usual Leftist suspects, almost as if they had the script ready beforehand.
Now this insider trading thing?
Interesting times ...
I aint following it. A dead rich guy. So what.
Quote from: Herman on December 08, 2024, 06:09:44 PMI aint following it. A dead rich guy. So what.
Me too. Can't bring myself to care muchly.
They just upped the reward from 50k to 60k. They must really want this guy :crampe:
Quote from: Oliver the Second on December 08, 2024, 08:53:16 PMThey just upped the reward from 50k to 60k. They must really want this guy :crampe:
What is your interest in this?
Quote from: Herman on December 08, 2024, 08:55:17 PMWhat is your interest in this?
I have United Healthcare and it sucks.
Quote from: Oliver the Second on December 08, 2024, 09:01:29 PMI have United Healthcare and it sucks.
Okay brother, I got ya now.
Quote from: Oliver the Second on December 08, 2024, 09:01:29 PMI have United Healthcare and it sucks.
I had UHC years ago. My wife had a major surgery at the time and I must say I never had a problem with them.
I also find it interesting how this guy is turning into kind of a folk hero, much like people admired Dillinger because he was robbing the banks that screwed them over. Not many people have a positive opinion of the US health care system and nobody is crying over this guy getting whacked.
It's also causing what seems to be a new fashion trend -
Shooter's Possible Jacket Flying Off Shelves
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Internet sleuths believe they have found the jacket worn by the gunman who killed UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson ... and now it is flying off the shelves.
On Reddit, a user speculated the suspect's jacket was a Sherpa Lined Two Pocket Hooded Trucker Jacket by Levi's ... sold at Macy's for the retail price of $225.
The jacket's popularity has since spread like wildfire on the company's website ... where more than 6,000 people were viewing the jacket at the same time -- and nearly 700 were sold in the past 48 hours, according to an item popularity tool on Macy's site.
https://www.tmz.com/2024/12/07/unitedhealthcare-ceo-shooter-jacket-selling-levis-macys-website/
Quote from: Reggie Essent on December 08, 2024, 09:12:30 PMI had UHC years ago. My wife had a major surgery at the time and I must say I never had a problem with them.
UHC wouldn't give me Mounjaro which is the only beetjab that ever really worked for me. But come January I'm off UHC and on Medicare and they're supposed to approve it. I hope.
Quote from: Oliver the Second on December 08, 2024, 09:30:19 PMUHC wouldn't give me Mounjaro which is the only beetjab that ever really worked for me. But come January I'm off UHC and on Medicare and they're supposed to approve it. I hope.
Yikes. Never had to deal with pharms for myself and I ain't on any now (but I still gotta get the Part D or pay a permanent penalty. WTF is that!) But I never had anything denied in the past for my spouse, and some of that shit was quite expensive.
I blame Obama for fucking up healthcare even worse than it was.
How does Medicare work when you turn sixty five? From what Oliver says you can be denied.
Quote from: Herman on December 08, 2024, 10:34:35 PMHow does Medicare work when you turn sixty five? From what Oliver says you can be denied.
As far as I know, they make you take it. Ollie and I are the same age - old as dirt. But I think Ollie's dirt is a few months older than my dirt. I just had to sign up, so now all the schmuck taxpayers are gonna pay for my health insurance ... er, I mean, now I get a return for all the money confiscated from me over the years to pay for other people's healthcare.
It's a complicated business.
All I know is that now I'm spending about a thousand dollars less a month for basic health insurance that I had to pay just for myself before I reached the magic age.
Quote from: Reggie Essent on December 08, 2024, 11:25:40 PMAs far as I know, they make you take it. Ollie and I are the same age - old as dirt. But I think Ollie's dirt is a few months older than my dirt. I just had to sign up, so now all the schmuck taxpayers are gonna pay for my health insurance ... er, I mean, now I get a return for all the money confiscated from me over the years to pay for other people's healthcare.
It's a complicated business.
All I know is that now I'm spending about a thousand dollars less a month for basic health insurance that I had to pay just for myself before I reached the magic age.
It sounds like Old Age Security in this country. You are automatically registered, but you can be denied.
Quote from: Herman on December 08, 2024, 11:31:44 PMIt sounds like Old Age Security in this country. You are automatically registered, but you can be denied.
Well, I think foreigners and people who never paid into the system should be denied, but they still hand it to them and call it Medicaide instead of Medicare. It still comes out of the pockets of the productive in society through taxation.
At least I paid in all my life.
Quote from: Reggie Essent on December 08, 2024, 11:34:38 PMWell, I think foreigners and people who never paid into the system should be denied, but they still hand it to them and call it Medicaide instead of Medicare. It still comes out of the pockets of the productive in society through taxation.
At least I paid in all my life.
North American health care is fucked up.
It appears they finally caught him.
Person of interest in fatal shooting of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson caught with manifesto, gun and fake ID at McDonald's
A person of interest was nabbed Monday in the fatal shooting of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson — busted possibly trying to use a fake ID in a McDonald's, law enforcement sources said.
The man — who sources said is being eyed for the coldblooded, targeted execution in front of a Manhattan hotel last week — allegedly had a manifesto on him when he was taken into custody by cops in Altoona, Pa.
He also had a gun, silencer, four fake IDs and other items "consistent" with what authorities were looking for in the case, sources said.
https://nypost.com/2024/12/09/us-news/person-of-interest-nabbed-in-fatal-shooting-of-unitedhealthcare-ceo-brian-thompson-outside-nyc-hotel/
Quote from: Ravey on December 09, 2024, 01:05:44 PMIt appears they finally caught him.
Person of interest in fatal shooting of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson caught with manifesto, gun and fake ID at McDonald's
A person of interest was nabbed Monday in the fatal shooting of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson — busted possibly trying to use a fake ID in a McDonald's, law enforcement sources said.
The man — who sources said is being eyed for the coldblooded, targeted execution in front of a Manhattan hotel last week — allegedly had a manifesto on him when he was taken into custody by cops in Altoona, Pa.
He also had a gun, silencer, four fake IDs and other items "consistent" with what authorities were looking for in the case, sources said.
https://nypost.com/2024/12/09/us-news/person-of-interest-nabbed-in-fatal-shooting-of-unitedhealthcare-ceo-brian-thompson-outside-nyc-hotel/
An Ivy League graduate and former prep school valedictorian. That does not sound like a working stiff getting revenge on the man.
Quote from: Brent on December 09, 2024, 02:40:22 PMAn Ivy League graduate and former prep school valedictorian. That does not sound like a working stiff getting revenge on the man.
You don't have to be poor to see the 'Murican "health care" system for what it is, but it helps.
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Quote from: Ravey on December 09, 2024, 01:05:44 PMIt appears they finally caught him.
Person of interest in fatal shooting of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson caught with manifesto, gun and fake ID at McDonald's
A person of interest was nabbed Monday in the fatal shooting of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson — busted possibly trying to use a fake ID in a McDonald's, law enforcement sources said.
The man — who sources said is being eyed for the coldblooded, targeted execution in front of a Manhattan hotel last week — allegedly had a manifesto on him when he was taken into custody by cops in Altoona, Pa.
He also had a gun, silencer, four fake IDs and other items "consistent" with what authorities were looking for in the case, sources said.
https://nypost.com/2024/12/09/us-news/person-of-interest-nabbed-in-fatal-shooting-of-unitedhealthcare-ceo-brian-thompson-outside-nyc-hotel/
it will be interesting to see his social media footprint.
Ivy League grad Luigi Nicholas Mangione...
Luigi?
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What in the fuck is this?
Screenshot -
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdhs9g3Wwg0
Quote from: Oliver the Second on December 09, 2024, 05:28:21 PMWhat in the fuck is this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdhs9g3Wwg0
Screenshot because no way will YouTube let that one stay up -
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WTF is that? There's no sound.
From what I hear this guy is a programmer and he has videos scheduled to be uploaded to his account - but why would he put this one up unless he was planning on getting arrested...
Then again it could just be a magnificent troll like in the good old days, who knows.
Next video drops at 4:45
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Skip it, YouTube pulled the channel
https://www.youtube.com/@PepMangione
I bet we get Rick Rolled
Quote from: Oliver the Second on December 09, 2024, 05:48:56 PMFrom what I hear this guy is a programmer and he has videos scheduled to be uploaded to his account - but why would he put this one up unless he was planning on getting arrested...
Then again it could just be a magnificent troll like in the good old days, who knows.
We'll see what's in the "writings" the cops cited.
I'm leaning toward a delusional person thinking to make some kind of grand socio-political statement and doesn't realize that murdering someone on the sidewalk isn't excused because of his grand statement.
WOW!! It appears this guy had all this planned out.. Did you catch the date that flashed up at the end of the video?
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Quote from: Reggie Essent on December 09, 2024, 06:03:59 PMI'm leaning toward a delusional person thinking to make some kind of grand socio-political statement and doesn't realize that murdering someone on the sidewalk isn't excused because of his grand statement.
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I think living under Mario's shadow for all these decades caused him to lash out in an effort to make a name for himself!!!
Mugshot -
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Quote from: Ravey on December 09, 2024, 06:08:15 PMWOW!! It appears this guy had all this planned out.. Did you catch the date that flashed up at the end of the video?
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I saw that, and then this was right at the end -
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Also from what I heard the account was made back in January.
Quote from: Oliver the Second on December 09, 2024, 05:59:38 PMNext video drops at 4:45
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Skip it, YouTube pulled the channel
https://www.youtube.com/@PepMangione
I bet we get Rick Rolled
Damn, that was quick. I wanted to see some of his videos.
Quote from: Oliver the Second on December 09, 2024, 06:33:05 PMI saw that, and then this was right at the end -
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Also from what I heard the account was made back in January.
He had this planned out for a while.
Meanwhile on X :crampe:
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So the alleged shooter was a fan of the Unabomber.
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Quote from: Herman on December 09, 2024, 07:25:13 PMSo the alleged shooter was a fan of the Unabomber.
Amongst others -
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Quote from: Oliver the Second on December 09, 2024, 07:56:00 PMAmongst others -
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Progtards will not like him now.
Quote from: Oliver the Second on December 09, 2024, 07:56:00 PMAmongst others -
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WOW! He loved hitler like Aryan? REPORTED!!!!
Quote from: Oliver the Second on December 09, 2024, 07:06:19 PMMeanwhile on X :crampe:
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Wow, and here I thought that girl is training to be a nun.
Link to the manifesto -
https://archive.is/7jUsF
Quote from: Oliver the Second on December 10, 2024, 09:58:27 AMLink to the manifesto -
https://archive.is/7jUsF
A lot of information about the shooter to digest Oliver.
Quote from: formosan on December 10, 2024, 12:06:16 PMA lot of information about the shooter to digest Oliver.
Apparently this is the latest - this guy had a back problem which was made worse by a surfing accident. He got some kind of surgery but they botched it... and the reason he shot the CEO was because he was in so much pain now that he couldn't perform sex acts anymore. But, he didn't seem to have any problem hopping on a bike and riding away though so take it with a grain of salt.
Nothing wrong with my back... just sayin'... :winking:
"Media's completely out of touch. Its an insult to the intelligence of the American people and their lived experience"
Quote from: Lokmar on December 09, 2024, 08:00:56 PMWOW! He loved hitler like Aryan? REPORTED!!!!
I wonder if there is any history of mental illness.
For lunch I'm thinking McDonald's
Quote from: Oliver the Second on December 10, 2024, 09:58:27 AMLink to the manifesto -
https://archive.is/7jUsF
A hell of a rant.
Ya, he is looking like a patsy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZd9lK3YAQ8