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Quote from: "Shen Li"Canada's borders might change? Big fucking deal. It would not be the first country to lose territory and it sure as fuck would not be the last.

If the case for an exit from confederation is only economic than give Canada a chance to make the system work better for the regions. I realize times change and our system may need change too. But for God sakes, don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

Quote from: "RW"Provincial secession is NOT a right according to both Canadian or international law:



"Secession is recognized as a possibility, not a right. A provincial government has no right to appoint itself as the government of an independent State. It cannot, legally, secede unilaterally without first securing a negotiated agreement with the Canadian State. It doesn't have that right, either under international law or domestic law. The Supreme Court of Canada confirmed, in its 1998 opinion, that "the secession of a province from Canada must be considered, in legal terms, to require an amendment to the Constitution, which perforce requires negotiation"(para. 84) "within the existing constitutional framework" (para. 149)."

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Quote from: "Shen Li"Canada's borders might change? Big fucking deal. It would not be the first country to lose territory and it sure as fuck would not be the last.

If the case for an exit from confederation is only economic than give Canada a chance to make the system work better for the regions. I realize times change and our system may need change too. But for God sakes, don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

You mean take part in our democratic governance rather than threatening to leave when things don't go Alberta's way?

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Quote from: "RW"Provincial secession is NOT a right according to both Canadian or international law:



"Secession is recognized as a possibility, not a right. A provincial government has no right to appoint itself as the government of an independent State. It cannot, legally, secede unilaterally without first securing a negotiated agreement with the Canadian State. It doesn't have that right, either under international law or domestic law. The Supreme Court of Canada confirmed, in its 1998 opinion, that "the secession of a province from Canada must be considered, in legal terms, to require an amendment to the Constitution, which perforce requires negotiation"(para. 84) "within the existing constitutional framework" (para. 149)."

China eliminated the right to secede from it's constitution. But what does that really mean? That China will use force? Will Canada use force if provinces seek a better deal outside of Canada? Canada would have to negotiate the terms of exit, but block it? I doubt it.

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Quote from: "Herman"

Quote from: "RW"Provincial secession is NOT a right according to both Canadian or international law:



"Secession is recognized as a possibility, not a right. A provincial government has no right to appoint itself as the government of an independent State. It cannot, legally, secede unilaterally without first securing a negotiated agreement with the Canadian State. It doesn't have that right, either under international law or domestic law. The Supreme Court of Canada confirmed, in its 1998 opinion, that "the secession of a province from Canada must be considered, in legal terms, to require an amendment to the Constitution, which perforce requires negotiation"(para. 84) "within the existing constitutional framework" (para. 149)."

China eliminated the right to secede from it's constitution. But what does that really mean? That China will use force? Will Canada use force if provinces seek a better deal outside of Canada? Canada would have to negotiate the terms of exit, but block it? I doubt it.

I love how you guys keep throwing in the Republic of China into this conversation like it's a comparable situation.

Quote from: "seoulbro"What about Aboriginal self determination? Is it a good thing or a bad thing?

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Quote from: "RW"Provincial secession is NOT a right according to both Canadian or international law:



"Secession is recognized as a possibility, not a right. A provincial government has no right to appoint itself as the government of an independent State. It cannot, legally, secede unilaterally without first securing a negotiated agreement with the Canadian State. It doesn't have that right, either under international law or domestic law. The Supreme Court of Canada confirmed, in its 1998 opinion, that "the secession of a province from Canada must be considered, in legal terms, to require an amendment to the Constitution, which perforce requires negotiation"(para. 84) "within the existing constitutional framework" (para. 149)."

China eliminated the right to secede from it's constitution. But what does that really mean? That China will use force? Will Canada use force if provinces seek a better deal outside of Canada? Canada would have to negotiate the terms of exit, but block it? I doubt it.

I love how you guys keep throwing in the Republic of China into this conversation like it's a comparable situation.

You sound like a member of the standing committee of the CCP?

Quote from: "RW"Or maybe I sound like a person who loves her country AS A WHOLE and who is tired of this threat.