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Quote from: "Azhya Aryola"Just tell it like it is, folks. There are shithole countries.

There was a time when people said that about the Philippines where you are from or Taiwan where I'm from..



Good immigrants can come from dysfunctional states.

Quote from: "Wazzzup"yes there are shithole countries.  Most of that has to do with the terrible governments in charge of them not necessaritly the people who live there.



However, to assess something like how certain groups integrate into western societies one should look at statistics. For instance Sudanese and Somalis in Australia commit 5 times the violent crime other Australians do.  Therefore Australia (and perhaps other places) should shut their doors to the Sudanese and Somalis.   or at the very least bring in only a very very small number, and make certain they are highly educated.



We need to be reality correct, not politically correct when we assess group behavior.  People from different places often DO behave differently.

Quote from: "Wazzzup"BTW Along that line I saw someone post this on another website about trumps comments, and it pertains to the racial matter.

Quoteliberals living behind walls in gated communities and sending their kids to private schools, shouldn't cast stones at those who simply point out what they themselves are seeking to avoid (the shitholes outside of their gated communities)

I am certainly no liberal but I live in an area where the average house costs triple what a house in the inner city would cost.  Basically I live behind an economic wall that keeps dangerous people out.  (sorry to say most are black with a little bit of hispanic thrown in, but that is reality)



The irony is that a lot of liberals who praise diversity, who would excoriate anyone saying anything bad about black culture in the inner city, nearly all live behind an economic wall that seperates them from most of the diversity they profess to loves so much.  



I guess Its much easier to be against prejudice and all the rest when you live in an ivory tower far away, where none of it effects you.

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Quote from: "Azhya Aryola"Just tell it like it is, folks. There are shithole countries.

There was a time when people said that about the Philippines where you are from or Taiwan where I'm from..



Good immigrants can come from dysfunctional states.

So, what is your point, Fash? I know that and parts of it can be described as shithole while there are beautiful parts too. No one said good immigrants cannot come from dysfunctional states. Plainly speaking, there are shithole countries, period.

Quote from: "Wazzzup"Is there any way to be fair to everyone though,  no, I don't think so.



for example--Canada uses a point system, it is certainly possible that a good person could be turned away for having low points? right?



the purpose of any system, other then "let everybody in who wants in," is to guage who is likely to be an asset instead of a detriment.

Quote from: "Azhya Aryola"Just tell it like it is, folks. There are shithole countries.