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#15
September 22, 2014, 11:31:43 PM
Quote from: "Romero"There couldn't be any benefit for them lying about it. It's not like they would be making extra money from what you would call a hoax and conspiracy.



It's official policy. When it comes down to it, they officially believe the same thing I and other global warming realists believe in.



Let's hypothetically say you were chosen to do some pr on the subject for your company. Funny enough, if you said the world was cooling and it's all a hoax you'd be fired.

No company and especially an energy one will say they do not support efforts to reduce global warming. You have to nowadays, certainly my boss says that too when speaking with the press.



However, as an earth sciences grad I never had a single prof that said climate change is happening, it's a dire emergency, man-made activities are totally responsible for it and we can reverse it by moving in caves. That is not very realistic or honest. Once we graduate and start working for energy companies do you really think this changes? Not likely!!

Romero

#16
September 22, 2014, 11:39:17 PM
Quote from: "Shen Li"No company and especially an energy one will say they do not support efforts to reduce global warming. You have to nowadays, certainly my boss says that too when speaking with the press.

What's that? No company and especially energy companies will say global warming isn't real and man-made? Your own boss too?



How interesting.

Anonymous

#17
September 22, 2014, 11:44:50 PM
Quote from: "Romero"
Quote from: "Shen Li"No company and especially an energy one will say they do not support efforts to reduce global warming. You have to nowadays, certainly my boss says that too when speaking with the press.

What's that? No company especially energy companies will say global warming isn't real and man-made? Your own boss too?



How interesting.

Of course not. Who wants to be labelled a big bad, denier and be negative action campaigns by slimebag NGO's like Greenpeace. Hell, I have to put my critical thinking skills aside and play along when speaking to the public. In the mean time we are increasing our capital spending on in-situ each and every year!!

Romero

#18
September 22, 2014, 11:49:30 PM
Quote from: "Shen Li"Hell, I have to put my critical thinking skills aside and play along when speaking to the public.

How very interesting!



Are you telling me that when you speak to the public you "play along" and tell them that global warming and climate change is an important issue?

reel

#19
September 23, 2014, 02:51:46 AM
Stop the presses!  Someone made a statement they didn't fully believe for the sake of public image!!?



Unprecedented!

Obvious Li

#20
September 23, 2014, 04:11:22 AM
nowadays for a politician or company exec to say man made global warming is a scam is equivalent to using the "N" word in a Detroit restaurant....in other words if you want to keep your political career or company job...you play along for the sake of playing along.....privately they laugh about the idiot brigade

Obvious Li

#21
September 23, 2014, 05:58:55 AM
The It Girl of climate change doesn't get it ...



Margaret Wente ...The Globe and Mail....Published Tuesday, Sep. 23 2014, 12:00 AM EDT



Naomi Klein is by all accounts a wonderful person – warm, low-key, modest, committed and enormously hard-working. She also looks terrific in a crisp white shirt, which is what she wore for a recent photo shoot for Vogue. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Vogue is interested in fashionable intellectuals, and right now there's no intellectual more fashionable than Ms. Klein. She told Vogue that her new book, This Changes Everything, is "a book about climate change for people who don't read books about climate change."



Ms. Klein and her new book are being written up everywhere. Its publication brilliantly coincides with today's big UN climate-change gabfest in New York, which has been billed by UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon as a last chance (yet another one!) to save the planet.



Just one problem. The leaders of three of four of the world's top carbon polluters – China, India and Russia – didn't bother to show up. Even German Chancellor Angela Merkel stayed home. Stephen Harper has been widely excoriated for his failure to attend, but it turns out he's got lots of company.



The thesis of This Changes Everything is that global warming is a war of capitalism against the planet, and that we need a people's uprising to reclaim true democracy from the venal and corrupt politicians who have been co-opted by Big Oil. If this sounds like the Occupy movement all over again, you're right. "We need an ideological battle," Ms. Klein told the Guardian.



But wait. What about the rest of the world? Do they need an ideological battle, too? How do we get them to sign on? Every effort at global collective action has so far been a colossal flop, and there is not a hope in hell that that is going to change.



China alone now accounts for a whopping 28 per cent of the world's C02 emissions – twice as much as the U.S. Over the past five years, China's emissions increased more than the rest of the world combined; on a per-capita basis, it now out-pollutes the EU. India produces less than 7 per cent of the world's total emissions, but most of its people still live in a state of energy starvation. India's most pressing health problem isn't climate change. It's indoor pollution from dung fires.



The developing world is now responsible for nearly 60 per cent of global emissions. Even if the developed nations make substantial cuts to CO2, over the coming decades emissions growth in the developing world will dwarf their efforts. Yet in every interview, excerpt and review I've read about her book, Ms. Klein has nothing to say on this subject. Talk about denial! No book on climate that ignores elementary facts like these can be counted as a serious work.



The folks who revere Ms. Klein and gushingly review her books don't have a clue about this stuff either. I wouldn't expect Vogue to know. I wouldn't even expect the Guardian or the Nation to know. The CBC should know, but frequently does not. As for The New York Times – its chief climate drum-banger is currently Mark Bittman, who was formerly the newspaper's chief recipe-writer. He knows how to make a mean Thai beef salad (you should look it up) but is shockingly ignorant about the climate facts of life. He thinks Ms. Klein walks on water. He, too, says that neoliberalism is the problem and reclaiming democracy is the solution. He thinks we could fix the climate – if only we took on the evil greedy corporations and put our minds to it. As for the rest of the world, he doesn't seem to know it exists.



This is the most childish form of magical thinking. It's like asking kids to clap their hands so that Tinker Bell won't die. For activists, climate change is a simplistic and self-centred morality tale that pits our greed and wickedness against the Utopia of a kinder, gentler, fairer, better world. In fact, climate change is a complex and fiendishly hard problem, with huge uncertainties about what lies ahead and even greater uncertainties about effective policies to address it. The activists should do themselves a favour, and grow up.

 

Anonymous

#22
September 23, 2014, 08:29:03 AM
Quote from: "Obvious Li"nowadays for a politician or company exec to say man made global warming is a scam is equivalent to using the "N" word in a Detroit restaurant....in other words if you want to keep your political career or company job...you play along for the sake of playing along.....privately they laugh about the idiot brigade

Not the analogy I would use, but I get your point. I compare it more to a politician that feels compelled to attend a Pride parade even if their conscience tells them it is wrong. Just the price of business and politics here in "democratic" Canada.

Romero

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September 23, 2014, 01:40:59 PM
Quote from: "Obvious Li"nowadays for a politician or company exec to say man made global warming is a scam is equivalent to using the "N" word in a Detroit restaurant....in other words if you want to keep your political career or company job...you play along for the sake of playing along.....privately they laugh about the idiot brigade

Huh? They have to lie to keep their jobs? That makes no sense.



You can't possibly know what they think privately. But we do know what they believe officially on the record!


Quote"ExxonMobil takes the risk of climate change seriously, and continues to take meaningful steps to help address the risk and to ensure our facilities, operations and investments are managed with this risk in mind," the company said in the report.



http://www.ibtimes.com/exxon-mobil-acknowledges-climate-change-risk-business-first-time-1565836">//http://www.ibtimes.com/exxon-mobil-acknowledges-climate-change-risk-business-first-time-1565836

Romero

#24
September 23, 2014, 09:36:01 PM
QuoteCanada's Plan To Tackle Climate Change – Follow The U.S.



Barack Obama didn't just make announcements for his own country at a United Nations climate summit Tuesday — he got to make Canada's, too.



Canada made two main commitments at the summit, where countries were urged to bring bold policies to fight climate change. And both borrow heavily from industrial regulations the U.S. president has already set in motion.



One was to match American vehicle-emissions standards. The other, to curb the use of HFC coolants, several days after the White House announced plans for executive orders, and convened a meeting of business leaders who've committed to slashing hydrofluorocarbons by 80 per cent by 2050.



Both of those things came up in passing in the president's speech to the conference, among the list of measures he'd already announced. In that speech, he also announced plans to incorporate climate-change considerations into U.S. foreign-development projects, and referred to his far more controversial executive order to regulate the highest-polluting sector in the U.S., old power plants.



He urged everyone else to get moving on a post-2015 treaty, in remarks that appeared to be aimed primarily at the Chinese.



"Nobody gets a pass,'' Obama said.



Prime Minister Stephen Harper arrived in New York later in the day for three days of events at the UN and with business leaders.



"So nice of him to show up,'' one UN staffer cracked within the earshot of Canadian media, upon hearing that the prime minister was headed to town later in the day.



http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/09/23/canada-climate-change_n_5871078.html">//http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/09/23/canada-climate-change_n_5871078.html

Anonymous

#25
September 23, 2014, 10:24:29 PM
Quote from: "Romero"
Quote"ExxonMobil takes the risk of climate change seriously, and continues to take meaningful steps to help address the risk and to ensure our facilities, operations and investments are managed with this risk in mind," the company said in the report.



http://www.ibtimes.com/exxon-mobil-acknowledges-climate-change-risk-business-first-time-1565836">//http://www.ibtimes.com/exxon-mobil-acknowledges-climate-change-risk-business-first-time-1565836

QuoteExxonMobil Bulks up on Canada's Oil Sands



Big oil is getting bigger as ExxonMobil (NYSE: XOM), the biggest of big oil is picking up additional acres in Canada's oil sands region from ConocoPhillips (NYSE: COP). The $720 million (USD) deal adds 226,000 largely undeveloped acres of land near the southern edge of the Athabasca oil sands. It works out to a pretty solid deal for both companies, so let's drill down a little deeper to see why this deal matters.



What's Exxon Getting?



For Exxon this deal is all about access to future oil production. The company and its Canadian partner Imperial Oil (TSX: IMO), which is 70% owned by Exxon, already are heavily invested in the oil sands thanks to the $11 billion Kearl oil sands project. These undeveloped acres, which Imperial is acquiring along with Exxon, gives the partners access to future oil resources which can be used to grow oil production, something Exxon in particular has struggled to do in recent years. While these are high quality acres, this deal is all about the future as Exxon and Imperial will be required to spend heavily to turn this acquisition into actual oil production.

http://www.fool.ca/2013/08/09/exxonmobil-bulks-up-on-canadas-oil-sands/">http://www.fool.ca/2013/08/09/exxonmobi ... oil-sands/">http://www.fool.ca/2013/08/09/exxonmobil-bulks-up-on-canadas-oil-sands/

Wait a minute here, I thought Exxon Mobil believes global warming is happening at an alarming rate, man is responsible, Canada's oilsands are evil and reducing fossil fuel use will reverse it?



Doesn't sound like their words are really matching their press releases does it?

Anonymous

#26
September 23, 2014, 11:16:38 PM
QuoteReuters) - Canada's largest oil and gas producer, Suncor Energy Inc, is shipping its first ever tanker of Western Canadian heavy crude from Canada's East Coast to Europe, a company spokeswoman said on Tuesday.



Suncor spokeswoman Sneh Seetal confirmed Reuters shipping data that shows the aframax tanker Minerva Gloria was set to pick up a cargo of crude oil from the port of Sorel-Tracy on the St. Lawrence River in Quebec.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/09/23/crude-suncor-exports-idUSL2N0RN25V20140923">http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/09/ ... 5V20140923">http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/09/23/crude-suncor-exports-idUSL2N0RN25V20140923


Suncor is an outstanding company to work for, yet they parrot the planet is warming and man is responsible line too because their shareholders(which many pension plans are invested in) demand it.
QuoteSuncor recognized early on that climate change would be an important issue for our company and our stakeholders. That's why we introduced a seven-point action plan in 1997.
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