Quote from: Bricktop post_id=423852 time=1634361801 user_id=1560
Whilst I am vaccinated, and support people taking care of their health...what is the excuse to GET vaccinated?

Quote from: "iron horse jockey" post_id=423842 time=1634353841 user_id=2015

Quote from: Herman post_id=423824 time=1634342940 user_id=1689
I see we are getting down to the nitty gritty here. Anti vaxxers aint actually opposed to what's in COVID vaccines. They are opposed to the governments, corrupt bureaucracies and big companies behind them. I would be too if I was an American.

That's no excuse not to get vaccinated.

Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=423858 time=1634371670 user_id=1676

Quote from: "iron horse jockey" post_id=423842 time=1634353841 user_id=2015

Quote from: Herman post_id=423824 time=1634342940 user_id=1689
I see we are getting down to the nitty gritty here. Anti vaxxers aint actually opposed to what's in COVID vaccines. They are opposed to the governments, corrupt bureaucracies and big companies behind them. I would be too if I was an American.

That's no excuse not to get vaccinated.

Excuses not required.



My body my choice is the supreme law of the land. If you don't like it, you can go fuck yourself.  

Quote from: Fashionista post_id=423866 time=1634395445 user_id=3254

Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=423858 time=1634371670 user_id=1676

Quote from: "iron horse jockey" post_id=423842 time=1634353841 user_id=2015

Quote from: Herman post_id=423824 time=1634342940 user_id=1689
I see we are getting down to the nitty gritty here. Anti vaxxers aint actually opposed to what's in COVID vaccines. They are opposed to the governments, corrupt bureaucracies and big companies behind them. I would be too if I was an American.

That's no excuse not to get vaccinated.

Excuses not required.



My body my choice is the supreme law of the land. If you don't like it, you can go fuck yourself.  

That is probably the best argument put forward yet not to get vaccinated.

Quote from: seoulbro post_id=423872 time=1634398615 user_id=114
There's recovered from infection. Like the seasonal flu vaccine, a lot of people still catch what it's supposed to protect against.

Quote from: cc post_id=423876 time=1634399615 user_id=88

Quote from: seoulbro post_id=423872 time=1634398615 user_id=114
There's recovered from infection. Like the seasonal flu vaccine, a lot of people still catch what it's supposed to protect against.

True. Dunno why anti vaxxers attempt  & get away with pointing out "some" vaxxed get infected as an argument



For decades, Flu vaccine was advertised as  50% "prevention" at best - but for those infected symptoms are much reduced was the main selling point



Well guess what!!! Virus vax is considerably  higher protection than flu one (albeit not 100% + GREATLY reduces symptoms if infected)



Like DUH!!!

Quote from: cc post_id=423878 time=1634400123 user_id=88
That's a given now that data has had time to give people  a  view at both it's prevention and  symptom reduction values.



The comparison (for prevention & for severity reduction between vaxxed and not vaxed , especially when presented as a % of population or as 1 / 100,000 people number are dramatic  



So their argument that it's not 100% prevention falls flat on it's ass .. especially as the flu one in use for years has always been a bonus yet does somewhat poorer at prevention

Quote from: cc post_id=423880 time=1634401617 user_id=88
Cases per 100,000 population after adjusting for age (Sept. 27-Oct. 3)    



Not vaccinated: 297.3

Partially vaccinated: 90.1

Fully vaccinated: 35.1



https://news.gov.bc.ca/releases/2021HLTH0060-001918">https://news.gov.bc.ca/releases/2021HLTH0060-001918



It's "prevention" value is very high as seen above



BC govt is always answerable  to the people - I can't speak for Virginia or swamp states as I don't know their ethics levels

Quote from: cc post_id=423884 time=1634403145 user_id=88
That is true . . Age and condition affect protection to some degree ... also, maybe not as much as it appears taking into account that the time older people last had a shot is much longer ago than for younger people

Quote from: cc post_id=423913 time=1634414862 user_id=88
Yes, that skews the numbers maybe a lot



We won't really know for a cpl more months after boosters give us the true comparison



BTW - I'm really peed off at BC - they were slow to start Care Home, promised a start 2 weeks ago & are still not getting their butts in gear to any extent



Strange after the successful flying start and great  success in January