Quote from: "Renee"
 ac_rollseyes Yeah I know.



My previous response was meant to be a joke because what I call him isn't nearly as nice.  



Come on Shen, stay with me. ac_toofunny

Quote from: "Renee"Your argument holds no water because outside certain southern states, black citizens in the US had full access (no restrictions) to voter registration and the polls.

QuoteIt's been almost 50 years since the historic civil rights marches in Selma, Alabama, and Congress is ready to celebrate the people who made it possible.



Lawmakers have overwhelmingly passed a bill to award the Congressional Gold Medal to the thousands who marched on Bloody Sunday, Turnaround Tuesday and the final stretch of the 54 miles from Selma to Montgomery -- the movement that served as the catalyst for passage of the landmark 1965 Voting Rights Act.



The bill sailed through the Senate on Thursday with so much support it didn't even get a vote. It passed the House 420-0 earlier this month. The only thing left is for President Barack Obama to sign it into law.



"This bill, I believe, is a fitting honor that recognizes the courage and determination of the civil rights marchers at Selma 50 years ago," Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) declared on the Senate floor. "It was a very historic day, and it marked an alteration in the history of America. It changed an unacceptable abuse of American rights: the right to vote."



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/26/selma-voting-rights-act_n_6764820.html">//http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/26/selma-voting-rights-act_n_6764820.html

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Quote from: "Renee"
 ac_rollseyes Yeah I know.



My previous response was meant to be a joke because what I call him isn't nearly as nice.  



Come on Shen, stay with me. ac_toofunny

Well fuck, I try ya know. Our English abilities are not exactly on an even level though.

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Quote from: "Renee"Your argument holds no water because outside certain southern states, black citizens in the US had full access (no restrictions) to voter registration and the polls.

Quote from: "Romero"Why the heck would you think we were discussing only outside certain states? I was talking about full voting rights across the entire country. Sounds like someone knows she's wrong and she's twisting and deflecting!



Time to win this argument once and for all. What great timing!

Quote114th CONGRESS



1st Session



H. R. 431



AN ACT



To award a Congressional Gold Medal to the Foot Soldiers who participated in Bloody Sunday, Turnaround Tuesday, or the final Selma to Montgomery Voting Rights March in March of 1965, which served as a catalyst for the Voting Rights Act of 1965.



Section 1.Findings



The Congress finds the following:



(1)March 7, 2015, will mark 50 years since the brave Foot Soldiers of the Voting Rights Movement first attempted to march from Selma to Montgomery on Bloody Sunday in protest against the denial of their right to vote, and were brutally assaulted by Alabama state troopers.



(2)Beginning in 1964, members of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee attempted to register African-Americans to vote throughout the state of Alabama.



(3)These efforts were designed to ensure that every American citizen would be able to exercise their constitutional right to vote and have their voices heard.



(4)By December of 1964, many of these efforts remained unsuccessful. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., working with leaders from the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee and the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, began to organize protests throughout Alabama.



(5)On March 7, 1965, over 500 voting rights marchers known as Foot Soldiers gathered on the Edmund Pettus Bridge in Selma, Alabama in peaceful protest of the denial of their most sacred and constitutionally protected right—the right to vote.



(6)Led by John Lewis of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee and Rev. Hosea Williams of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, these Foot Soldiers began the march towards the Alabama State Capitol in Montgomery, Alabama.



(7)As the Foot Soldiers crossed the Edmund Pettus Bridge, they were confronted by a wall of Alabama state troopers who brutally attacked and beat them.



(8)Americans across the country witnessed this tragic turn of events as news stations broadcasted the brutality on a day that would be later known as Bloody Sunday.



(9)Two days later on Tuesday, March 9, 1965, nearly 2,500 Foot Soldiers led by Dr. Martin Luther King risked their lives once more and attempted a second peaceful march starting at the Edmund Pettus Bridge. This second attempted march was later known as Turnaround Tuesday.



(10)Fearing for the safety of these Foot Soldiers who received no protection from federal or state authorities during this second march, Dr. King led the marchers to the base of the Edmund Pettus Bridge and stopped. Dr. King kneeled and offered a prayer of solidarity and walked back to the church.



(11)President Lyndon B. Johnson, inspired by the bravery and determination of these Foot Soldiers and the atrocities they endured, announced his plan for a voting rights bill aimed at securing the precious right to vote for all citizens during an address to Congress on March 15, 1965.



(12)On March 17, 1965, one week after Turnaround Tuesday, U.S. District Judge Frank M. Johnson ruled the Foot Soldiers had a First Amendment right to petition the government through peaceful protest, and ordered federal agents to provide full protection to the Foot Soldiers during the Selma to Montgomery Voting Rights March.



(13)Judge Johnson's decision overturned Alabama Governor George Wallace's prohibition on the protest due to public safety concerns.



(14)On March 21, 1965, under the court order, the U.S. Army, the federalized Alabama National Guard, and countless federal agents and marshals escorted nearly 8,000 Foot Soldiers from the start of their heroic journey in Selma, Alabama to their safe arrival on the steps of the Alabama State Capitol Building on March 25, 1965.



(15)The extraordinary bravery and sacrifice these Foot Soldiers displayed in pursuit of a peaceful march from Selma to Montgomery brought national attention to the struggle for equal voting rights, and served as the catalyst for Congress to pass the Voting Rights Act of 1965, which President Johnson signed into law on August 6, 1965.



(16)To commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Voting Rights Movement and the passage of the Voting Rights Act of 1965, it is befitting that Congress bestow the highest civilian honor, the Congressional Gold Medal, in 2015, to the Foot Soldiers who participated in Bloody Sunday, Turnaround Tuesday or the final Selma to Montgomery Voting Rights March during March of 1965, which served as a catalyst for the Voting Rights Act of 1965.



https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/114/hr431/text">//https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/114/hr431/text

Quote from: "Romero"You want more of my win and more of your fail? You got it!

Quote114th CONGRESS



1st Session



H. R. 431



AN ACT



To award a Congressional Gold Medal to the Foot Soldiers who participated in Bloody Sunday, Turnaround Tuesday, or the final Selma to Montgomery Voting Rights March in March of 1965, which served as a catalyst for the Voting Rights Act of 1965.



Section 1.Findings



The Congress finds the following:



(1)March 7, 2015, will mark 50 years since the brave Foot Soldiers of the Voting Rights Movement first attempted to march from Selma to Montgomery on Bloody Sunday in protest against the denial of their right to vote, and were brutally assaulted by Alabama state troopers.



(2)Beginning in 1964, members of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee attempted to register African-Americans to vote throughout the state of Alabama.



(3)These efforts were designed to ensure that every American citizen would be able to exercise their constitutional right to vote and have their voices heard.



(4)By December of 1964, many of these efforts remained unsuccessful. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., working with leaders from the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee and the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, began to organize protests throughout Alabama.



(5)On March 7, 1965, over 500 voting rights marchers known as Foot Soldiers gathered on the Edmund Pettus Bridge in Selma, Alabama in peaceful protest of the denial of their most sacred and constitutionally protected right—the right to vote.



(6)Led by John Lewis of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee and Rev. Hosea Williams of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, these Foot Soldiers began the march towards the Alabama State Capitol in Montgomery, Alabama.



(7)As the Foot Soldiers crossed the Edmund Pettus Bridge, they were confronted by a wall of Alabama state troopers who brutally attacked and beat them.



(8)Americans across the country witnessed this tragic turn of events as news stations broadcasted the brutality on a day that would be later known as Bloody Sunday.



(9)Two days later on Tuesday, March 9, 1965, nearly 2,500 Foot Soldiers led by Dr. Martin Luther King risked their lives once more and attempted a second peaceful march starting at the Edmund Pettus Bridge. This second attempted march was later known as Turnaround Tuesday.



(10)Fearing for the safety of these Foot Soldiers who received no protection from federal or state authorities during this second march, Dr. King led the marchers to the base of the Edmund Pettus Bridge and stopped. Dr. King kneeled and offered a prayer of solidarity and walked back to the church.



(11)President Lyndon B. Johnson, inspired by the bravery and determination of these Foot Soldiers and the atrocities they endured, announced his plan for a voting rights bill aimed at securing the precious right to vote for all citizens during an address to Congress on March 15, 1965.



(12)On March 17, 1965, one week after Turnaround Tuesday, U.S. District Judge Frank M. Johnson ruled the Foot Soldiers had a First Amendment right to petition the government through peaceful protest, and ordered federal agents to provide full protection to the Foot Soldiers during the Selma to Montgomery Voting Rights March.



(13)Judge Johnson's decision overturned Alabama Governor George Wallace's prohibition on the protest due to public safety concerns.



(14)On March 21, 1965, under the court order, the U.S. Army, the federalized Alabama National Guard, and countless federal agents and marshals escorted nearly 8,000 Foot Soldiers from the start of their heroic journey in Selma, Alabama to their safe arrival on the steps of the Alabama State Capitol Building on March 25, 1965.



(15)The extraordinary bravery and sacrifice these Foot Soldiers displayed in pursuit of a peaceful march from Selma to Montgomery brought national attention to the struggle for equal voting rights, and served as the catalyst for Congress to pass the Voting Rights Act of 1965, which President Johnson signed into law on August 6, 1965.



(16)To commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Voting Rights Movement and the passage of the Voting Rights Act of 1965, it is befitting that Congress bestow the highest civilian honor, the Congressional Gold Medal, in 2015, to the Foot Soldiers who participated in Bloody Sunday, Turnaround Tuesday or the final Selma to Montgomery Voting Rights March during March of 1965, which served as a catalyst for the Voting Rights Act of 1965.



https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/114/hr431/text">//https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/114/hr431/text

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Quote from: "Shen Li"Renee,



I don't feel like sifting through a shitload of obliqueness. What is Ro saying here? Blacks only earned the legal vote in 1965? Not making voting a birth right will lead to apartheid, the 4th reich or the Canadian caliphate? What's this bullshit about?

Quote from: "Renee""President Lyndon B. Johnson, himself a southerner, urged Congress on March 15, 1965, to pass legislation "which will make it impossible to thwart the 15th amendment."

Quote from: "Shen Li"What is Ro saying here? Blacks only earned the legal vote in 1965? Not making voting a birth right will lead to apartheid, the 4th reich or the Canadian caliphate? What's this bullshit about?

Quote from: "Romero"

Quote from: "Renee""President Lyndon B. Johnson, himself a southerner, urged Congress on March 15, 1965, to pass legislation "which will make it impossible to thwart the 15th amendment."

As in the 15th Amendment was thwarted. As in the Voting Rights Act of 1965 was needed to ensure African Americans and other minorities had full voting rights.

Quote from: "Shen Li"What is Ro saying here? Blacks only earned the legal vote in 1965? Not making voting a birth right will lead to apartheid, the 4th reich or the Canadian caliphate? What's this bullshit about?

The 15th Amendment was supposed to give African Americans full voting rights, but southern states found ways around it with poll taxes, literacy tests, grandfather clauses, removal from electoral rolls, fraud and intimidation. It wasn't until the Voting Rights Act of 1965 put a stop to all that and finally gave African Americans full voting rights.



For some reason, Renee thinks African Americans had full voting rights the whole time even though thousands upon thousands were denied their right to vote over decades.



It's pretty simple. If one is denied their right to vote, they do not have full voting rights.

Quote from: "Romero"I can't possibly imagine what Renee thinks Martin Luther King, Jr. and all those Selma marchers were protesting for. Free cigarettes, I guess.

Quote from: "Shen Li"Renee has clearly proved that Blacks had the constitutional right to vote long before 1965.



Anyway, birthright citizenship and voting should be abolished.

Quote from: "Shen Li"Renee has clearly proved that Blacks had the constitutional right to vote long before 1965.