Today's conservatives are the defenders of free speech. We are the ones who oppose draconian powers of the state. We are the ones who oppose corporate welfare. Today's conservatives, like yesterday's liberals are the ones who oppose barbaric religious practices. Today's conservatives are the ones who see people as individuals instead of their race, religion, sexual orientation, or culture

I could go on, but most people will get the point. Today's liberal are fascists. Today's conservatives have picked up the mantle of traditional liberalism.

I use to be a reliable socialist. But, globalist money took over the socialist movement, just like they did our union management.

Liberals and conservatives are two sides of the same evil anti blue collar coin. I do not trust either of them.

Quote from: Brent on December 02, 2023, 12:57:09 PMI use to be a reliable socialist. But, globalist money took over the socialist movement, just like they did our union management.

Liberals and conservatives are two sides of the same evil anti blue collar coin. I do not trust either of them.

I'm still a libertarian..

Once to open your society up for the toleration of views that are destructive to your way of life, your civilization is doomed. We are doomed.

Quote from: Lokmar on December 02, 2023, 02:41:50 PMOnce to open your society up for the toleration of views that are destructive to your way of life, your civilization is doomed. We are doomed.

I disagree. What consenting adults do is no harm to society. Lines have been crossed in North America and that is what causes push back.

Quote from: Frood on December 02, 2023, 02:28:22 PMI'm still a libertarian..

I am libertarian leaning. I prefer to use the term traditional liberal to describe myself. Other people just call me baldy.

Quote from: Frood on December 02, 2023, 02:28:22 PMI'm still a libertarian..

I hate libertarians.

Quote from: Brent on December 03, 2023, 04:15:33 PMI hate libertarians.

That's your prerogative.

Quote from: DKG on December 02, 2023, 11:24:34 AMToday's conservatives are the defenders of free speech. We are the ones who oppose draconian powers of the state. We are the ones who oppose corporate welfare. Today's conservatives, like yesterday's liberals are the ones who oppose barbaric religious practices. Today's conservatives are the ones who see people as individuals instead of their race, religion, sexual orientation, or culture

I could go on, but most people will get the point. Today's liberal are fascists. Today's conservatives have picked up the mantle of traditional liberalism.

I don't know about that

When the economy goes sour the corporate conservatives always expect a government bailout and they always get it. Meanwhile the traditional conservatives on Main Street always end up suffering while their rich cousins get theirs. From what ive observed there's a stark divide between corporate and traditional conservatives. I think thats what the rise of Trump was all about. He spoke for the Main Street conservatives who have been left behind particularly since the 2008 recession

This is characterized by the division in the Republican Party today. Never mind that between the Left & the Right

Quote from: DKG on December 03, 2023, 11:54:15 AMI am libertarian leaning. I prefer to use the term traditional liberal to describe myself. Other people just call me baldy.

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Quote from: DKG on December 03, 2023, 11:52:56 AMI disagree. What consenting adults do is no harm to society. Lines have been crossed in North America and that is what causes push back.

Consenting adults deciding to take on the pronouns of zim zir and go out in public dressed up in drag harms society. The folsom county street fair harms society.

Now if everyone could keep their freak tucked away behind closed doors and acted like normal human beings in public, sure, you could make that argument. However, we've all seen first hand that isnt the case.

Toleration of this evil behavior has led to a breakdown of society.

Quote from: Herman on December 03, 2023, 10:13:59 PMChrome dome

Thank you

Quote from: Lokmar on December 04, 2023, 09:22:36 AMConsenting adults deciding to take on the pronouns of zim zir and go out in public dressed up in drag harms society. The folsom county street fair harms society.

Now if everyone could keep their freak tucked away behind closed doors and acted like normal human beings in public, sure, you could make that argument. However, we've all seen first hand that isnt the case.

Toleration of this evil behavior has led to a breakdown of society.

That is not about consenting adults. That is forcing others to change their language.