Quote from: Lokmar on December 04, 2023, 09:50:27 PMI guarantee you, if Trump isnt the nominee, the democRATs will win. Trump people have seen the Russia Hoax, the Insurrection Hoax, the false charges, the attempts to keep him off the ballot, along with the banana republic elections in 2020 and 2022. It is impossible to win the 2024 election without all of the die hard Trump supporters. Every single so called independent that flip flops between D and R wont matter.

The blue collar base will not go out and vote for a neocon like Nikki Haley.

North Dakota Doug Burgum dropped out of the GOP leadership race.

Quote from: Thiel on December 04, 2023, 07:23:27 PMRFK is stealing more GOP than Democrat voters.

What Brother Lokmar said here. You might also like to vet your sources a little more carefully; Biden's in-party approval rating is in the toilet, so much so that his own side are beginning to point out the dementia and general failing health of the old coot that independents and GOP alike had noticed long before. Feel free to bookmark this next bit - Biden's chances of taking the oath of office in 2024 are little better than nil at present. The RNC are showing every indication of wanting to shuffle him aside and will likely do so around August (assuming he makes it that far without keeling over) because come August they can appoint any candidate they like without reference to the voting public and insist he is the only chance they have to save the world from Orangeman.

That'll probably be Newsom they're pinning their hopes on, as well as praying like fuck to Moloch (or whoever) that they can bamboozle enough of their voter base to fall into line so that their shenanigans at the ballot box pass muster on the media outlets. And with groups like BLM and even the muslim contingent breaking for Trump at this point, it's a pretty folorn one.

But hey, I could be wrong and you may be right. After all we are still eleven months out from the general... in which case I strongly suggest your best option is to get to beating the pavements and knocking on doors. Sign up as many voters as you can because it sure as hell beats blackpilling this forum about the dooms and perils of another four years of Bidenomics, war, fucktards screwing with the energy grid et al. And get out there early on voting day to cast your vote. Because the bigger the gap you put between the current pathetic incumbent, the harder it will be for any "democracy fortification" to make the nut.

"Democracy dies in darkness" so it is said. So floodlight the shit out of it. It's exactly what the uniparty doesn't want you to do.

Quote from: Herman on December 04, 2023, 09:04:02 PMI saw a poll showing Haley would whip Jim Crow Joe. I don't like her. She is an establishment Republican.

If it were a matter of Haley v Biden, voter apathy would be rampant. I sure couldn't be arsed turning out. Haley is as much a warpig as the puppeteers of the currently serving bumblefuck.

The Make America Great Again... it might be sloganeering, but it's on point. And we've seen the fruits it bore and it was damn more palatable than when "the adults [got] back in charge".

Quote from: Adolf Oliver Bush on December 05, 2023, 09:09:04 AMWhat Brother Lokmar said here. You might also like to vet your sources a little more carefully; Biden's in-party approval rating is in the toilet, so much so that his own side are beginning to point out the dementia and general failing health of the old coot that independents and GOP alike had noticed long before. Feel free to bookmark this next bit - Biden's chances of taking the oath of office in 2024 are little better than nil at present. The RNC are showing every indication of wanting to shuffle him aside and will likely do so around August (assuming he makes it that far without keeling over) because come August they can appoint any candidate they like without reference to the voting public and insist he is the only chance they have to save the world from Orangeman.

That'll probably be Newsom they're pinning their hopes on, as well as praying like fuck to Moloch (or whoever) that they can bamboozle enough of their voter base to fall into line so that their shenanigans at the ballot box pass muster on the media outlets. And with groups like BLM and even the muslim contingent breaking for Trump at this point, it's a pretty folorn one.

But hey, I could be wrong and you may be right. After all we are still eleven months out from the general... in which case I strongly suggest your best option is to get to beating the pavements and knocking on doors. Sign up as many voters as you can because it sure as hell beats blackpilling this forum about the dooms and perils of another four years of Bidenomics, war, fucktards screwing with the energy grid et al. And get out there early on voting day to cast your vote. Because the bigger the gap you put between the current pathetic incumbent, the harder it will be for any "democracy fortification" to make the nut.

"Democracy dies in darkness" so it is said. So floodlight the shit out of it. It's exactly what the uniparty doesn't want you to do.

I don't doubt this, but it has nothing to do with my statement that conservative leaning voters like RFK better than Dems.

Quote from: DKG on December 05, 2023, 09:37:30 AMI don't doubt this, but it has nothing to do with my statement that conservative leaning voters like RFK better than Dems.

Dealt with that in the first five words of the post you quoted. Additionally, I was replying to Thiel, not you.

Sorry about your penis?

Quote from: Adolf Oliver Bush on December 05, 2023, 09:42:47 AMDealt with that in the first five words of the post you quoted. Additionally, I was replying to Thiel, not you.

Sorry about your penis?

I don't doubt he will take the Mitt Romney votes. But, the fact of the matter remains that RFK's indy run is the best thing Biden could hope for.

Quote from: DKG on December 05, 2023, 09:37:30 AMI don't doubt this, but it has nothing to do with my statement that conservative leaning voters like RFK better than Dems.

At least in my case, the message is you're wrong. The number of potential Trump voters that walk into a booth and decide "Yea, I'm voting RFK instead of Trump" were never going to vote for Trump ITFP. Those arent Trump votes for RFK to steal. They were ALWAYS going somewhere else.

An example of this is my wifes next oldest sister. She's declared she cant vote for Trump because of religious convictions. She'd likely vote RFK or no one I guess.

My only sorrow regarding this situation is we cant divide the people after the election so that anyone who didnt vote Trump has to suffer the continued consequences of living under biden policies.

Quote from: Lokmar on December 05, 2023, 09:51:37 AMAt least in my case, the message is you're wrong. The number of potential Trump voters that walk into a booth and decide "Yea, I'm voting RFK instead of Trump" were never going to vote for Trump ITFP. Those arent Trump votes for RFK to steal. They were ALWAYS going somewhere else.

An example of this is my wifes next oldest sister. She's declared she cant vote for Trump because of religious convictions. She'd likely vote RFK or no one I guess.

My only sorrow regarding this situation is we cant divide the people after the election so that anyone who didnt vote Trump has to suffer the continued consequences of living under biden policies.

Trump's loyal base is not enought to reach 270 electoral votes. He needs indies and soft Dems.

Quote from: DKG on December 05, 2023, 10:00:28 AMTrump's loyal base is not enought to reach 270 electoral votes. He needs indies and soft Dems.

I dont know a single "soft dem" that did or will vote for him. I'm an indie and he needs my vote for sure. People like me put him into office the first time and even MORE of us voted for him the second time. I have no doubt that because of all the chicanery with EVERYTHING, Trump will get even more votes in 2024.

Hell, I recall people saying that Trump was going to be on a deserted island by himself 2 years ago. That couldnt have been more wrong.

Bottom line is, Haley cannot possibly win. She's completely alienated the Trump voter and her recent commentary has only made that worse. There arent enough squishy dems and center/center left indies to get her even close. I cant remember how many congressional races I've seen where a RINO was ran next to a dem and the people predictable decided "why go with a half assed RINO dem when we can get it all with the ACTUAL dem!". Very very seldom does that lesser of 2 evils plan pan out for RINO du jour.

The left vote almost exclusively with their emotions and the lesser of 2 evils is always an emotional vote. "Orange Man Bad" is a completely emotional argument, devoid of any real or based arguments such as:
1. Trump is a racist
2. Trump is literally hitler
3. Trump will start WW3
4. Trump will declare himself dictator
5. Trump is the devil
6. Trump hates gays
7. Trump is evil
8. Trump would suspend/destroy the Constitution
...... ad nauseam.

You know what, there isnt a single cogent argument I've heard, thats even been publicly presented, reasoning Trump would be a bad POTUS because his "X" position would result in a negative "Y" outcome. Not one.

Quote from: DKG on December 05, 2023, 09:48:22 AMI don't doubt he will take the Mitt Romney votes. But, the fact of the matter remains that RFK's indy run is the best thing Biden could hope for.

Well then, I guess you had best get to signing up voters to run against him as I suggested, hmmm? You know, in the part of my reply which you reckon had nothing to do with your post.

It might not matter given some of the other things I've said on the forum, but moaning all is lost when your preferred candidate is hemmoraging support, staff, campaign finances and shoe-lift futures is a defeatist way of going about things. It's this sort of behaviour which all too many conservatives indulge in and more often than not it's why you're forever losing.

Let it be known, I'm no conservative either... I'm very much a libertarian in outlook. I am assuredly NOT a republican. And I'd vote for Trump over all the other candidates in a heartbeat. So there's two "independantS" today who are screwing with the so-called "truth" handed you by your precious polls and media.

I wonder how many more are like Lokmar and myself in that regard.

Quote from: Adolf Oliver Bush on December 05, 2023, 10:34:17 AMWell then, I guess you had best get to signing up voters to run against him as I suggested, hmmm? You know, in the part of my reply which you reckon had nothing to do with your post.

It might not matter given some of the other things I've said on the forum, but moaning all is lost when your preferred candidate is hemmoraging support, staff, campaign finances and shoe-lift futures is a defeatist way of going about things. It's this sort of behaviour which all too many conservatives indulge in and more often than not it's why you're forever losing.

Let it be known, I'm no conservative either... I'm very much a libertarian in outlook. I am assuredly NOT a republican. And I'd vote for Trump over all the other candidates in a heartbeat. So there's two "independantS" today who are screwing with the so-called "truth" handed you by your precious polls and media.

I wonder how many more are like Lokmar and myself in that regard.

Biden is not my preferred candidate. Take away TDS and nobody would vote for him.

But, I didn't pull what I said about RFK out of thin air. I have looked at several different sources that show he is taking more support from Trump than Biden and that will be problematic. It's strange, because he is no conservative.

Quote from: DKG on December 05, 2023, 10:39:00 AMBiden is not my preferred candidate.

I was talking about DeSantis. Biden doesn't need shoe lifts, he needs a mobility scooter... and someone (Kamala perhaps) to push it out of Airforce One at 40,000 feet.

Quote from: DKG on December 05, 2023, 10:39:00 AMBut, I didn't pull what I said about RFK out of thin air. I have looked at several different sources that show he is taking more support from Trump than Biden and that will be problematic. It's strange, because he is no conservative.

Dude, you've been bitching about Trump for months on end now, echoing every talking point as to why he'll fail and until recently, trying to astroturf whatever groovy guy (or gal) the media has been schilling for. Might I suggest you strip away all the fluff and compare the metrics the polls are telling you NOW about Trump's chances and compare them to what was going on at the same point of the election cycle for 2016. I'll wait.

And if you're still convinced (as people were in the 2016 run) that some flip-flopping asthmatic from a family renown for its members getting assassinated is going to pose that much of a threat that Orangemanbad is going to shuffle off into the sunset with tears in his eyes, quit whining and go sign up voters for the Republicans.

Jesus christ man, but your negative nancy act is getting old.

I've been bitching about Trump? I would vote Trump without reservation if the choices were Biden/Trump/RFK.

Quote from: DKG on December 05, 2023, 11:03:44 AMI've been bitching about Trump?

Sure you have. You've been convinced he's going to lose for months and have slung your shingle under whatever candidate your "authorities" have told you are the safer bet. If all but one of those "safer" candidates dropped out today and they all endorsed the remaining challenger, you still wouldn't have enough to trump Trump and you'd like as not be baying for the RNC to pull a Hillary on him.

I tire of attempting to talk sense into you. Arguing the toss in a forum of a few score of active posters doesn't advance the action, especially not when its lamestream media talking points you're defaulting to. Just what do you propose we do about it; toss out the front runner and replace him with... who exactly?

Or are you insisting that all is lost and we should get to the catering arrangements for the inevitable pity party?

Inquiring minds etc.